Hypothetical Heavyweight Boxing Tournaments 

surely bowe v lewis?? the one that got away

It would be a very short match. Tyson absolutely destroys Frazier. The match doesn't go past round 1.

Frazier stops Tyson around round 7 or 8. Tyson did not fight well on the inside; Frazier would just overwhelm Mike.

@@TheSBleeder but that was Mike's whole style he'd make you miss then get on the inside and punish you

TheSBleeder Don't know what you're talking about, Tyson was a master of inside fighting.

This needs to be top comment.

@GYPSY KING FURY Tyson knocks him down in the first 2 rounds multiple times. Joe survives and stops him in later rounds.

I'm very comfortable with King Holmes. Tremendous, tremendous talent and skills

Tyson had way better fundamentals from anything Joe Frazier can offer. What he's lacking is mental strength.

That would be a fight booooooooooom

If you're talking about frazier then that extra bit of speed wouldn't have helped him against frazier gard hooks

@@furlong234 think about Ali's incredible reflexes and fast feet in his prime, a prime Frazier wouldn't have landed half those hooks

He was never powerful, Frazier and Norton exposed that he wasn’t fast enough to avoid dangerous counter blows and he didn’t have the stopping power to make them pay for bringing the fight close quarters. Tyson would have battered Ali, that would be the worst fight he could have ever taken. The beating that Frazier gave him would have looked tame.

Just Saying Ali beat Frazier and Norton TWICE past his prime😂😂exposed

@ You do realize, however, that Norton and Frazier fought a post-comback Ali who no longer had the incredible speed of pre-comeback Ali. This is a fundamental fact that we have to take into consideration when we talk about these fights taking place in the primes of the fighters. In this respect, I find the resolute tone of your comment on Ali's abilities out of place.

Yeah was thinking the same before Ali went to prison he was on another level to quick and fast on his feet

I agree . Ali is the greatest of all time!!!

Yeah i totally disagree with him picking Frazier over peak Ali.

thegoldenhero prime Frazier beat prime Ali and that’s a fact.

@ Problem is Bowe refused to fight anyone. He went 2-1 vs the much smaller Holyfield but then what? He got saved by getting his balls clubbed on by Golata twice in fights he was getting dominated in, & he never fought Moore, Tyson, Lewis, Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Ruddock etc etc. Bowe was smoke & mirrors & would've been lucky to go .500 vs the 10 best heavyweights of the 90s.

Marvin Hagler would win that

Thats gonna be awesome!!

Me too . The middleweights will be just as interesting !

Prime Roy Jones hands down

@@michaelhunt739 Great middleweights go back a lot further than that. Sam Langford, Ezzard Charles, Harry Greb, & Charles Burley, are 4 others that come to mind - look 'em up...

Spell "RED" haha and very true whar you re saying

On the money. 3 Ali's.

Prime 60's Ali (Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley) would destroy Holmes, Tyson knocks out Joe Louis in round 1 easy.

@@steveetienne not sure about louis vs tyson. But holmes would do well against ali.

danilo degiorgi : In my humble opinion, Ali is really the greatest. He had not reached his utmost best when they robbed him of his crown ! Imagine Ali at age 27 or 28, without the 3.5 year forced hiatus !

Bowe was right near the top of the tree in his incredibly short prime.

sayvar44 - If you watch how he ranked these heavyweights you’d understand. It’s all about rankings at the time which can be deceiving and isn’t the most accurate system.

@sayvar44 He explained the reasons for both tournament brackets. The first one was based on the point experiments done in his earlier videos and the second was a list made by ring magazine. He didn't make either bracket to prevent his bias. Obviously he doesn't think Povetkin is better than Jack Johnson or any other of the all time greats you mentioned. I personally would've just made the brackets instead of what he did but I understand his reasoning.

There was a reason Bowe never fought anybody except Evander who almost killed him all 3 times... Because if he didn't have a huge height weight reach & power advantage he would've gotten his ass handed to him by the top heavyweights. See the Golata fights for details. Bowe was fake news & doesn't deserve to be anywhere near these lists.

Scott Broyles no not at all Riddick was a great fighter he just didn’t take it seriously! He could’ve been one of the all time greats. His mistake was letting Rock Newman mismanage his career

Marc S which Foreman, I think Holmes could outlast young George but would get caught by old George

I think Prime Holmes was way too smart of a boxer to lose to Foreman, he was too fast on his feet and hands just like Ali, and Foreman wouldn't be able to deal with it

@@iegendkilla8559 Joe Foreman after the Ali fight, he learned his lesson. That is his only loss that didn't go the distance

Holmes was superior to Ali in his prime in my opinion but I also feel Foreman didn’t have his best fight against Ali and I think best Foreman beats best Ali... so having said that Foreman isn’t walking over Holmes when Ali tested Foreman. Holmes v Foreman would be a war.

Holmes was better

same thought, so many heavyweights to put in this spot instead. Bowe? Marciano?

Lmfao that's exactly what I was thinking wtf?

This list is silly, no Dempsey, Marciano, johnson

I legit tear up every time I watch Ali fight because my subconscious mind can catch on how perfect his game was... It's one of those unexplainable fetishes us humans have like enjoying hearing a very strong efficient motor and stuff like that... A very weird sensation of satisfaction we get from seeing something powerful and efficient. It's kind of the same with Tyson too but not quite

Just saying Tyson never beat a great fighter,he beat some good ones though.but he hasnt even the resume to be in such a tournament so dont compare him with Ali who has the best resume of all heawys,please,and never again leave such a dumb comment like the one that he would beat him. Tyson looked good and fast against bums and hasbeens in prolly the weakest era ever.

@ Tyson carried the heavyweight division for a few years because the quality of the heavyweights was poor in his time, in fact it was regarded as the worse era of heavyweights ever and at his so called peak Tyson struggled with both Tony Tucker and James smith who both went the distance, neither of those two had the boxing ability or power of a peak Lennox Lewis, Tyson beat old retired Larry Holmes but also avoided and Big George Foreman, also he failed to beat any elite fighter from his generation, go through his record and show me what great fighter he beat to justify him as a great, just because you knock out lesser fighters doesn't mean your a great. as i said to me his ability is over estimated among these great champions.

@OSCAR and EMMY i think Ali can say that about any heavyweight in history, he was after all faster than anyone before or since. i didnt say he would beat Tyson i said i thought his ability was underestimated in this video. he had very fast hands, threw very short had punches and knockout power, he also beat all the top heavyweights of his era and retired as the champion, the same cannot be said for Mike Tyson which is why i said Tyson has been over estimated in this video.

@@ukfirebird The 80's era was nowhere near the worst for quality. Tyson was so good he made good fighters look average

Both Tyson and Louis will always be stylistic nightmares for Holmes.

Holmes was definitely top 3 greatest any weightclass

Sure, and you probably do the inverse. That is what people do when they favour someone or something. Who knew ;)

I agree

@@petergriffin6223 HOW?! Ray Robison, Duran, Leonard and many more.

Wrong. Ali was very beatable, he had way too many flaws for his opponents to exploits. Prime Ali mostly fought bums.

@@michaeltrumph121 Yeah but he also compiled best HW wins outside of his prime mate.

That's an understatement rest in peace Ali

@@michaeltrumph121 I wouldnt call Patterson, Liston, Cooper, Quarry bums...

Mike tyson was way two good in his prime but we all have Ower opinions and tyson blows threw fraizer within 3rounds mis match I think fraizer was two small for tyson but I would love two see maybe I am ring for sure.

Well Shavers landed the heaviest punch he has on Holmes, put all his body in that punch, the hardest punch in history perhaps and Holmes got up, what makes you think Holmes can't survive a knockdown by Foreman?

Uh...no.

Holmes is exactly the type of fighter who could give george trouble, ali, jimmy young. A prime holmes was much better than jimmy young. Would have been a great fight, especially since they never liked each other.

Lester Green if it wasn’t for the robbery vs Briggs we would’ve had the battle of the ages n we would have the answer bcuz when they were slated to fight the war dubbed the battle of the ages the two combined fighters ages added up to almost 100 years of age lol but ppl were still fired up about seeing it! Unfortunately it didn’t happen bcuz foreman got robbed of a decision vs Shannon Briggs

@@kooroshrostami27 Maybe because George is a better puncher and boxer than Shavers?

The great Teddy Atlas has Tyson over Fraiser too, and hes never good wit Tyson!!! I like Foreman over Holmes tho too.. they are both close tho..

The great Teddy Atlas has Louis over Tyson tho...uuuuhhh ooohh!!!! hahaha...these are good

Id love to see Lewis, Ali...Lewis is one of the best to do it..slightly underrated...and this is a fantasy fight never talked about...This is a greeeat one!!! maybe my favorite!!!

These should almost all be statistically, computer generated...id be very interested in that!!!!

@@jeffn.6360 man imagine Ali vs lewis Holmes vs foreman Holyfield vs joe louis Tyson vs frazier Shavers vs liston In a night that shit would make billions haha

Was he wrong though? Holmes is probably the most underrated HW champ alongside Liston

Because holmes was a great fighter that's why it's ali that's overated in my opinion.

@@ryandurkin2958 Holmes was the next big champion after Ali who was a hard act to follow not only because Ali being a great boxing Legend but his great personality, whereas Holmes could be a prick and an ass sometimes and people just didn't like that. This is why when Ali faded Sugar Ray Leonard became boxing's Golden Boy because he was very likeable and was beating the best welterweights around

Ryan Durkin - How’s Ali overrated?

I'm not sure if you just saw the punch Holmes took at 2:56 but that was Shavers punch. And Shavers is arguably the strongest puncher in heavyweight history. Only argument you could make was for Foreman. But as you see Holmes took that punch, that punch would put most heavyweights to sleep, and than he just gets right back up. Holmes was really really underrated.

Steven Brideau nah I got Liston all day. Cause vlads chin is glass and listons wasn’t. Simple as that for me

No way. Wlad is overrated - while his brother is underrated! This is a strange situation but I find evidence for it all the time. Wlad was tremendously lucky to be fighting in an era when there was a lack of quality opposition. The few times he faced opponents who really came to fight he came unstuck, sometimes badly. Liston would have knocked bells out of him and I agree with Rummy that a second round stoppage is a likely result, probably after 3-4 knockdowns.

elliot granger - Did you really just describe Sonny Liston as a 6’1 midget with a glass chin? That’s a laughable statement.

Matt French I don’t agree with that, that’s akin to saying Lewis had a glass chin. I agree there were defensive lapses but the height and style of Vlad would cause tremendous issues to a man only 6’1... Liston was underrated though thanks to the Ali fights which I believe he took a dive in.

Liston will knockout Wlad!!!

Lennox Lewis, Ali and Holmes are my top 3 of all-time and in no particular order. They're all technical boxers, great hands and footwork. Top 3 jabs ever too. Ali the fastest, Lewis the biggest puncher with Holmes right in the middle. All smart with great ringmanship. Complete boxers.

On the right night Lewis could have won one of these tournaments

@@Aidey75 Liston's jab better than all of them.

If Tyson didn't dominate or knock the opposition out early he tended to struggle. The longer it went on the less likely for a Tyson win.

Very few fighter would ever have the opportunity to put a peak tyson on the canvas.

@@Aidey75 That is not true. A washed up Tyson gave up, not a prime one.

@Stuart Sutton it's because he's the 2nd most popular boxer of all time and his true potential wasn't really seen, we don't know what he could of done or who he could of beaten.

It's about who and when Lennox had faced... I mean he was KO'd by McCall. What had McCall, that Ali or Holmes or others didn't? Lewis was vulnerable. Chin. Period.

Jack Nicholson That was not an in prime Ali.

I have to agree. It's the Incredible Hulk vs Batman. In a cage. To the death. I'm putting my green 💵 on the GREEN.

Also Ali only beat foreman cause foreman wasn't accustomed to the weather conditions. Dude was exhausted more then actually ko'ed

And a big satanic deal.. No one could take foreman bombs to the body for 8-1/2 rounds no way..

@@KBX12Gaming i think foreman would eventually gassed out against holmes as well

Yeah I've got that Ali beating any heavyweight in history. In my opinion if that Ali had fought the prime 1971 Frazier he would have beaten Frazier probably by unanimous decision. And imagine that Ali versus the 80 prime Holmes, imagine how much better Ali would have done with those amazing reflexes and speed of hand and foot he had in the 60s. In fact in 1975 against Chuck wepner Ali still had very fast swift hands and probably still would have beaten a prime Holmes

@@youtoo2233 I was on board with what you were saying til the last. 1975 Ali would not beat prime holmes.

@@weenitomcchile1380 a 65' Ali could definitely defeat Holmes in my opinion, but by 1975 he was already ageing, he still had something left in him but certainly not what he had.

He did get dropped by Henry cooper

CHopper Toteme and?

100% spot on

@@choppertoteme5007 best thing that possibly could have happened to him. Thats when he first 'smellt the coffee' made him alot wiser and ready for what was to come.

@@choppertoteme5007 The knockdown by Cooper helped him to become superhuman. This experience was missing. And @spiderm0ose is right. Without Ali, there would be no Holmes. Even no Tyson.

Not taking away anything away from Douglas but let’s be honest if there was a rematch to that fight Tyson would 100% beat him

@@Sonny-oq1km yea he actually wanted a rematch but there was no way to win against tyson he was fat he had shit tons of money there was no point in fighting tyson so thats why he declined a rematch tyson actually gave buster a rematch offer when he came back from prison

Williams had like half his intestine removed.

No he doesn't. Cleveland Williams was a shot fighter when Ali beat him. Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Lewis, V. Klitschko, Holyfield, Liston (not taking a dive) - they all beat Ali.

Michael Trumph You were correct until you said Wlad and Liston beat Ali. Liston was legitimately trying in their first fight and he was getting dominated. Wlad wouldn’t throw a punch if his jab couldn’t land and if Fury could completely freeze him Ali would be a nightmare with his quicker hands and feet

@@michaeltrumph121 Ali would've beaten any version of Williams. That list is a joke too right? Lewis is the only one who could legit beat a prime Ali. His style was just too good. Tyson would be embarrassed by Ali. Liston was tailor made for Ali. Holmes would lose by a razor thin decision. Holyfield loses a decision as well. The rest dont matter.

MightyMighty - Disagree. Size matters. Lennox was WAAY too big and too strong for Ali. Ali in his prime was a cruiserweight in the era Lennox dominated. He was 212 in the fight against Cleveland and 212 against Frazier. Ali weighed in as low as 188 and was under 200 pounds for his first 15 fights. Lennox was 6’5.5 and a solid 250lbs. He would have 35-40 pounds on a prime Ali and 2-4 in height advantage, and a solid 6 in reach advantage (Lewis 84 in reach to Ali 78). And Lennox used his height and reach well. Lennox would either stop him or overpower and outpoint him, depending on how many risks Ali want to take. Prime Tyson’s raw power and exceptional defense also gives Ali problems. This is my dream fight, and Tyson did not have the height advantage Lennox had, so this could go either way, but I would have to lean towards Tyson in a 12 round fight, I’d favor Ali to edge a 15 rounder.

At Hunkydory I've always said that Louis and Ali are the greatest. But Vitali and Lennox would beat more of the top 25 of all time than anyone else. They were so big and powerful, still throwing out great volume and punch selection.

James Todd I agree although I’d have Wlad over Vitali - Vitali was tougher but boxing wise, Wladimir moved quicker, had better technique, hit harder and had ridiculously good footwork - agree with ur statement though.

No way. Ali , Frazier , Foreman , Tyson , Holyfield and Holmes... They're all ahead of Marciano's

@Matthew Anthony He wasn't 5'9 and 180. He was 5'11 and at his nax weight 205

@@boxnow8774 I'm not sure, but I think that Marciano Never reached 200 pounds on his whole carrer. His maximum carreer weight was 195/196 pounds

HA! With that room Rocky neva see's the light from the other room.

@Ice booy Ali beats him by decision

Ice booy Holmes’s era was a walk in the park compared to Ali’s era.

@@futuregohan2398 Ali beat bums for most of his career. There are only 2 exceptions: Frazier, who beat Ali when both were closest to their prime; Foreman, who Ali tricked and never fought again cause he knew that wouldn't work a second time. I'm not counting Liston, cause he was old and the fight was fixed. Ali is the most overrated boxer in history.

@Ice booyHolmes was Ali sparring partner for years. Holmes coming into his prime really did fight like Ali. He learned it getting his ass kicked by the Greatest of all Times

@@michaeltrumph121bro what are you talking about Ali was out of the ring for years and loses a close decision to Frazier then beats him twice and Knocked out Foreman, Foreman, in 1977 got beaten by Jimmy young, who Ali then beat! Ali is the Greatest Heavyweight! The 70s was the Greatest Era for The Heavyweight Division, With the 90s being second. Ali beat everyone in his prime!

I personally fill riddick Bowe at one point in his career was better the Evander Hollyfield

And where is my man Big Daddy Bowe ?

See his earlier vid on the heavyweights and the ranking system used.

TheFreedef Norton would get destroyed against everyone on the list

Foreman and Liston had great, powerful jabs and could take a hell of a punch. Foreman had sneaky fast hands that could break down a concrete wall and Liston had the arm span of a 6’6 guy

Liston had a great chin, what are you talking about? Go look at Liston's career.

100% correct.

He beat a strong Norton and showed far more raw talent, athleticism, and ring generalship than Rocky

Any day of the week twice on Sunday. Joe Louis is over rated

what what WHAT?! Tyson beating louis? hell yeah rumdawg!!!!

Average Joe overrated. 25 title defenses...

If they fought 10 times louis would win 7 times imo none of these legends would beat another legend 10 times out of 10. Thats why theyre legends.

@sayvar44 In the second tournament in the video.

This 100%. Prime Wlad hangs in with the best HWs. Doesnt beat all obviously but strong fight.

Louis isn't even a real HW. He constantly fought under 200lbs. No way he takes Tysons power and aggression early.

Louis too small

Lewis was getting whooped by a light heavyweight and got stunned

@@Azziee Louis was 6 ft 3, Tyson was 5 ft 11

drepop803 a prime joe louis took max Baer’s power early so I think louis would get a middle to late round stoppage

Or even give a % on which way you think the fight could go

You are fucking crazy this is set in each boxer's prime that means Custamado would still be alive and Tyson could not be beat by anybody on the list

Lennox was by far the better boxer.

@@Aidey75 Maybe, but not that night. That cut was caused by the laces on Lennox's glove, not a punch, and he's lucky lucky lucky lucky that it happened. He was fixing to get knocked out that night - Vitali wasn't gonna be denied.

Unfortunately for that period (and most likely ours) almost all of the fighters were on the gear, so people look past it and rate fighters regardless.

If you think it was only Holyfield you're kidding yourself.

They're STILL all on steroids. It's part of the sport. You can accept it or live in denial but it's gonna go on regardless.

The indisputable evidence that has in fact been disputed by Holyfield & hasnt been debunked by his accusers ? You #MeToo gossiping bitch boy

agree with you... ali by far the best of all time

Ali is the most overrated boxer in history. Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Liston, Wlad - they all beat him

@@michaeltrumph121 haha

@@pascalscherr5206 That's the truth, whether u like it or not.

@@michaeltrumph121 Tyson is the most overrated boxer ever. Ali embarrased Liston even when Liston used some shit to blind him.

How many of the fighters that said it even compare to ones on the list, alwo the fact that tyson had problemn with long range tall boxers even on his primer, tony tucker and bonecrusher smith as a example and those two were not half as good as the one on this list

Tyson fury or deontay wouldve been better

Has been ranked as top-10 fighter since 2007