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Very well spoken about the parallels between where VR is compared to what happened with Atari. It also happened again (not with gaming) with the Dotcom crash in the late ‘90s. It’s not rare for a new(ish) industry to have a bit of same gear shifting issues we had when learning to drive a clutch as teenagers. Those first couple of try’s nearly gave my dad whiplash. It’s sort the same thing we’re seeing now.

I'm just thankful I'm able to play VR. I never thought I would be able to experience vr. I'm like a little kid every time I throw a new game on that blows me away.

I used to be a big pcvr fanboy. I had spent 2 years saving for the PC build I wanted, then bought the Valve Index for 1k. After such a big investment and seeing what the Quest 2 provided I never thought I'd be ok with standalone. Well years later, the Index falling behind visually and a lack of game development, I knew the writing was on the wall. After hearing the Quest 3 was nearly 2.5x the computing power of 2, had much a larger pixel density than index, and had pancake lens.. I pulled the trigger for standalone and so far I'm very happy I did. Q3 definitely feels like it bridges the gap between PCVR and standalone. My hope is with the next XR2 series and new optimization techniques, we'll see games on standalone looking similar to what we've experienced on hefty computer builds.

I'm fairly new to VR, only bought a Quest 3 about three months ago. While Lone Echo is one of my favorite games ever now, for the most part I don't see 2016 or even 2020 producing wholesale better games. There is a subset of gamers who find that good graphics equal immersion, but I don't think that's true for most people. I still play games from the 80s that can be highly immersive.

I feel like the minority here. I am loving and enjoying VR in every way. I spent the last two years playing Zenith and loving it. Before that it was Population One and before that it was Rec Room. Right now I’m also hooked on Medieval Dynasty and having a blast. I also work out in VR on my elliptical using Holofit and also with FitXR. I think some of the problem is some people need a constant dopamine fix so they need constant shiny. I’m just enjoying what I have and I’m marveling and the fact that I can have all this fun in my own apartment without spending money!

More great content Matteo. Sending the big ups 🤙🏻 from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Gutted about Wanderer, it's the one i've been sooo impatiently waiting for!! But i understand why they are delaying, it'll be worth it.

I’m 40 something years old and started in VR in 2019 with the first Quest. Have gotten the quest 2 and 3, really like them both. I have tried PCVR but the cordless standalone experience is my go-to. Not saying I can’t be pulled in to PCVR but I prefer fast-paced fun over perfect graphics and complexity. I hope VR keeps getting better but I don’t look for it to replace reality. I’m looking for more fun experiences and more ways to involve friends and family. The Quest reminds me a lot of the Atari and the C-64, where it was all about gameplay and having a good time, not about 10,000 buttons and people playing 24/7 in their mom’s basement…

I'm looking forward to the Flat2VR studios work, that and Magic Eyes VRAF injection software. Good times coming for sure.

I bought a quest 2 roughly 2 years ago and upgraded to the 3 around 3 months ago. I also bought a PC in that time chasing the high fidelity PCVR graphics. I am super glad I bought the pc as it allows me access to games not available to the quest platform like half life alyx, Skyrim vr and a bunch of other awesome titles. That being said, I’ve purchased games on the meta platform that have cross buy and still prefer to play the standalone version unless it’s a social experience like rec room or vrchat. Standalone just makes things easy and if my wife wants to be in the living room I can just go to another room and continue playing. There is a lot to be said about ease of use, plus games on the quest 3 like Asgards Wrath and dungeons of eternity have good enough graphics that the immersion is awesome! I have friends who refuse to go anywhere near Meta which I can appreciate, but as Matteo said they’re the only ones who are so invested in vr to the point they risk sinking their ship if it doesn’t succeed and as a result are really pushing the industry forward. I don’t think we would have had anywhere near as many awesome vr experiences available to us if it weren’t for them, that doesn’t mean I think they’re anywhere near a top notch company, but we wouldn’t have a Batman Arkham game on the horizon if it weren’t for them so 🤷

Totally agree with your outlook. And I too empathize with those who feel VR has taken a step back in overall experience when it comes to immersion, but like you I think standalone headsets are the future of the device for broad adoption. Still I think more powerful headsets are a small part of the adoption solution. I wonder how much more adoption will come via the game community - even with high powered headsets. Games/entertainment led many early adopters of PCs in the 70s, but PC adoption didn't really grow until the the establishment of productivity apps. So for broad adoption of VR we need to start to see a new type of productivity app take hold in VR. Like when word processors and spreadsheets stirred early adoption of PCs in small businesses and home use. Even though crappy dot matrix printers offered sub par output, the convenience, power and speed of these productivity apps made the investment worth it. More PCs in the market was good for games - even when they were originally purchased for productivity. Because, when we aren't using the PC for work - why not also use it for a game or two? I keep thinking what are those productivity apps for VR?

Praydog's UEVR injector mod and flight sims are the only things from preventing my headset from collecting dust tbh.

Thanks! Happy Monday!

I went through all the stages: I started with a Quest 2 not caring about PCVR games at all, to playing PCVR games in a mid-tier PC and enjoying it but almost the same as standalone games, to now having a PC with a 4090 rtx and wanting more PCVR games and even sad that some games were standalone-only. I'm not jaded, I'm just disappointed in the direction that the market is going. The majority of the development is being done for standalone VR and people won't be able to experience the joy of PCVR graphics. I think the UEVR will be the savior of PCVR.

I've always wanted VR since Nintendos over exposure of Red in my brain. For VR to make progress, we need to make mistakes, need failures, and we need diversity. I am happy with what I bought. Do I use it everyday? No. I don't have the time to. When I get my time (I am a dad of 2 boys), I love every second of it. I can get away from reality and just relax. I don't get that from flat-screen anymore. It's so hard to play console when I have standalone and play it all on my quest 3. I love VR, and I am fully supporting it, good or bad. Thank you, Matteo311. I am 36, and your videos hit home with me. Keep up the good work.

I wish there were more levels, enemies and weapons for Space pirate trainer. Had my hopes up. It's one of those games that's SUPER comfortable for VR. It just needs more since its so old

Dungeon Keeper! I loved this back when it was new I had the demo then the game, I could get past 5th level and I played it again 2 years ago and I still can't get past level 5. I hope it has the exact same style. Thanks for telling me about this I'm going to look this up! Excited about it

I'm not picky, plenty of options out there, VRChat alone has endless immersive experiences! :D

I agree. We’ll get through this bump.

On the main topic of the video, I'm hoping that we can reach that happy nexus where hardware capabilities and the size of the user base at least let us come "full circle" so to speak, and then surpass/move on from where we were. PC gpu's will most likely always be a step ahead of chipsets intended for mobile use, but will that always matter? The Atari analogy is good, but think about this one: There was a time when arcades were thriving. When some of the most coveted titles on home consoles (Atari, NES, SNES, Genesis/Megadrive esp.) were conversions of popular arcade games. The conventional wisdom at the time was "The arcade version will Always be better". That the hardware we have available at home would never be the equal of, or be able to play a truly faithful version of the games we were enjoying in the arcades. Fast forward a few years and where are we now? While there are a lot of different reasons why the arcades waned in popularity, if you search back, there was a lot of talk about how modern home consoles killed arcades. The technological development of gaming hardware for the home started to outpace what was being used in arcades. The graphics and gameplay experiences available at home became just as good or better. Maybe some of the social experience of the arcade was lost, but the couch co-op/multiplayer experience made up for it a lot (somewhat similar to a theatrical film experience vs. watching a movie in a nicely equipped setting at home). As an 80's "kid" I still like the arcade experience and what I feel it still offers. But could we imagine playing Skyrim or Fallout in an arcade? The depth of games and stories we're now able to experience at home has outpaced what people back in the day ever though possible. MMO's, muliplayer online FPS's, you name it. We're spoiled for choice. While many (including me) will sometimes wax nostalgic about the arcades of yesteryear, there's not too many instances of people complaining about current home gaming being "inferior" to the arcade experience, as was once the case. So it's not that I think mobile hardware will completely replace PC's for gaming (and this applies to both mobile gaming in general and PCVR vs. Standalone VR). But look at mobile games now vs. what they once were. There are mobile games that are at the graphical level at least of console hardware from not that long ago. Mobile chipsets are never likely to surpass what large power-hungry GPU's in a large box can do. But I do think we'll get to a point where people don't care. Just as the convenience and capabilities of home consoles became good enough that people didn't feel as much need to plug $5 worth of quarters into a machine in an arcade, the quality of standalone VR will get to the point where most people aren't going to feel like they're missing out on a lot by not having a $2,500 PC and a $1,000 HMD. They'll be happy with the quality and convenience they get from standalone VR. A lot of people are already there. There'll always be enthusiasts like myself of course, that love their racing rigs and sims, and the titles that at present haven't been able to be replicated for standalone VR. But the gap is closing and I think eventually it will be close enough that the average player won't care. VR just has to remain successful enough as an industry long enough for that to happen. I'm actually encouraged by The Big Videogame Crash of the late 80's. Many thought videogames were dead for good and that it would never recover. That everything that could be done with the format had already been done and tried. But the industry survived, came back, innovated, and went on to become what it is today. VR can do this too. It may wane for a time, or slow down, but I think it will survive all of the "VR is ded" declarations and naysayers. It's such a unique compelling technology with 1,001 uses for gaming, productivity, and a multitude of industries. The genie is NOT going back into that bottle. What say all of you? Cheers Mateo311 and all my fellow VR nerds and enthusiasts. And sorry for the wall of words lol.

I'm now 40 as of the 7th of this month so i think i'm now classed as an older gamer and i am loving everything vr has to offer so far. At the moment im discovering vr mods for other games and it literally makes them feel brand new. Marvels move to bring the "What if" experience to apple seems odd considering quest headsets making up the majority of vr hardware out there

How about 1) CLOUD FIGTH similar to dog figth, 2) WITCH BROOM "race", (you need a conrroller stock were you need to formed the two controller lineup. And you need to ride that illusion broom like combined saber in saberbeat. Back to back blade. ... hmmmm 3) WICTH DOGFIGHT.. . FYLING with heights looks scary up to 1km heigths. You can hit them a fir through magic wand, (attacks will be recognized after a wand motion or patterns, each pattern has a unique attack or strikes)

I think there is a LOT of low hanging fruit out there that could recharge the PC VR industry. Starfield VR would be great. That alone would keep me satisfied for a year or more. Getting a true VR port of Red Dead Redemption 2 or GTA V would also be amazing for PC VR in general. How about Baldur's Gate 3 or the Witcher 3? More challenging to port to VR, however, done right these 5 million + player games could really drive the industry.

"I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed." Seriously though, this sort of sums up my feelings. Yes, I would have loved to see more amazing Alyx style PCVR games and gone down the immersion route. And I am mildly disappointed that we are moving in another direction. But in general, I currently feel pretty great about the state of VR. More and better hardware is coming out every year, and so are more and great games. It feels like things are still slowly picking up speed, and I am here for it.

I'm very much a fan of the classic PCVR games from the golden Age of VR, 2017 to 2020, but I'm positive about the future. I think Asgard's Wrath 2 was the start of the return to those days, and I'm excited to see Batman and Alien. I think those will look better on Q3 than some are expecting, and I think once we see that, people will start to realize that VR is once again on the rise. I love your videos, and I agree with the positivity. I think Meta has a long plan in the works, and it's starting to come together now.

The only issue with VR now is the graphics on standalone. That will 100% change. Handhelds like the SteamDeck have pushed the mobile chips further than ever before, laptops are now powerhouses and I think VR will grow fast too. But it does feel like a step back when compared to PC graphics

Idk about people being jaded about vr. Psvr2 is having a great year software wise and quest 3 genres are getting better and i believe the increase in quest 3 exclusives will really help standalone quality on quest 3. So they can keep complaining while i am enjoying vr greatness. Thanks for the video

im new to VR just over a mth .. i love it , mostly bought it for FPS games . Maybe because I'm new I still like it . wish they had more sit down games though cause I'm OLD AF haha , Got pistol whip (great game) I last 10 min and I'm winded lol . Love the Virtual Desktop though. PS, I went through the 80s death of games :( (got my Atari 2600 in 1978) TBF I have been a gamer ever since !

Honestly, I'm not jaded at all about VR. The reason being that yeah the old days of Oculus were amazing, but VR will reach that point again, but it reverted to a lower stage so it could rebuild with better hardware and with more market competition. I think once it does catch up, chances are it will progress much faster than it might have done before. Also, old VR was amazing, but noone really cared about it, outside of the enthusiasts, but this time, there will be much more people paying attention to the improvements.

I’m still playing Asgard Wrath 2. I’m taking my time to hopefully uncover, and unlock everything.

I've always overwhelmingly used my Quest 2 and 3 for PCVR. Very little standalone, although there's some great titles. I'm not remotely jaded about it, and use VR daily. I did expect by now most major PC game releases would have a VR mode, and it's disappointing that instead we've seen the shift to standalone, and a lot of smaller and more casual titles rather than large immersive worlds (particularly because I've never owned a console or smart phone, and these aren't my taste in games). I'm far from out of content though, and that's with an hour or two of VR almost every day.

I actually think this year is one of the most exciting in a while for PCVR. Having PSVR 2 seems to have opened more devs to making bigger experiences on the platform. Especially excited for Metro VR, Alien Rogue Incursion, Gunman Contracts Standalone and Wanderer Fragments of Fates. Speaking of Wanderer, the devs have actually opened up their work so that other developers can use their framework for future VR titles. Which would essentially give them access to much more polished mechanics and saving them a lot of time implementing them. Hopefully this will lead to more devs taking a chance on PCVR. The challenge is actually getting people to support the games when they come out. Sales for PCVR, even for very polished games, is looking increasingly dire. I really hope when the games mentioned above come out, VR players really support the games and show that there is still life in the platform.

Why do you think Valve has been so silent? Is it a par for the course kind of silence or do you think horizons OS and quest 3 itself had something to do with a delay?

I think, jaded is not the right word, i'd say spoiled, because let's be honest, we have, high res, high framerate, standalone VR now, almost now screendoor, native tracking, handgestures. I think there also a bit of nostalgia there, the feeling of "special" or "exclusive" as it was in the beginning, being pioneers type of thing, now it's mainstream which is great, VR has stepped out of the novelty territory and is, to me at least, in the baby stages of being awesome! Out of the prototype phase and in to the future, it has survived!! Where it could have easily been forgotten or have a really, REALLY low technical advancement, with a high price hanging on it!

Awesome facial insert man. You know you could have always asked me if you wanted a good facial 😉 haha nice video sir, Matteo!

Tactical assault vr is promising I'd like to see more of Geronimo vr on quest along with it's pcvr release Love the content man

I have played most of the prominent VR titles on PC and Quest. You want to truly enjoy and hold your breath in VR again? Look no further. Subnautica. Mod it for VR and you will have THE MOST unforgettable and immersive VR experience of your life. Not just start the game and wonder how beautiful the shallows are. Go on and finish the game without guides and thank me then. If anyone can get hold of the Devs of Subnautica 2 which is coming next year, please convey the message that they're working on the most immersive VR title that exists whether they know it or not and they should take it very seriously.

You just can't compare standalone graphics to PCVR. If I have to play Contractor$, I play on Steam or Rift/Oculus. Contractors Showdown, PC version. If there is a PC version, I'll go for the PC version. The only game I would probably just go to the standalone is Eleven Table tennis or the Forever Games and Walkabout mini golf. I don't see the difference on fidelity as much. I hope they won't totally move away from the PC. Overall, I'm here for the long haul. I will also defend the standalone for portability. It might take several more years for graphics to catch up. The Quest 3 is a good start. I just recently bought a RTX 4070. Brought new life to all my PC including PCVR games. Playing Hal-Life Alyx at a very high FPS rate.

space pirate trainer is the best arcade shooter that i've played in VR, glad it is getting Quest 3 updates!

Hung my Q3 up months ago, nearly all the games are pants. Note to the VR industry: I DO NOT WANT TO COME HOME FROM WORK AND JUMP AROUND IN VR, I WANT SO SIT ON THE SOFA AND PLAY A RELAXING VR EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRUTH! I might be one of the few who transitioned from VR to flat screen gaming bc the year has been so bad. I have great equipment waiting for PCVR to make a comeback

That’s a bummer about the “What If” experience! I am a big fan of the “What If” series. Maybe one day either quest 3 or psvr2 will get it

Nvidia needs a headset based on blackwell. Make it a belt clip device with wire attached. Something like the factor of a Nvidia Jetson. We don't need all those electronics up on our heads. Or use highest end wireless tech to push the render to the headset and just keep the device near you - within 20 meters or so.

The problem with VR overall is stagnancy. We had really great looking and playing games, and we have tons of indie garbagey wave shooter games. I think most VR gamers prefer story and content over quick jump in and out. (Im sure those are around as well) I went from PCVR where graphics were amazing to MetaVR(?) and its back in potato stage. Content is the main issue. Games either look or play like theyre made for a 5th grader, vs for the people who actually are spending the money on the hardware. The ones that are polished and play well, are few and far between. Lastly, 100% for you sharing your point of view. You're not here to please everybody, but to share your opinions and likeminded people will follow your posts. I used to have Index (on the selling block right now) and got a a Q3 and I love the fact I can use it anywhere in the house for PCVR and anywhere I want for mobile VR. The hardware does need some work, but its almost there. Games and companies now have to invest in content to draw people to VR though.

I do feel sorry for those who jumped into VR early and saw how incredible it was getting before the Quest came along. Jumping in only last year I certainly am a lot more happy with standalone games as well as being able to go back and experience some of the older PCVR masterpieces. I do want to know though, when do you think standalone will be on par with power required to run Half Life Alyx, Azgards Wrath 1 and that era of PCVR?

Really agree with you points at 10:00 and on. Graphics did take a massive knock to go to Quest at the cost of immersion. But when I say that to quest users (I own quest 3 for PCVR) they get so defensive. For me VR is about immersion and getting taken to another reality. I don't really get in to the more casual quest games, but there are a few I really like , Underdogs for example is great. I have enjoyed the better graphics and immersion of PSVR2, but then thats another toxic topic.

I'm not jaded, but I was also never really into PCVR. I'm just excited for the potential in the future that I can comfortably and easily work, exercise, and game in VR/MR. Right now, those are all possible, but not much or at all easier or more comfortable than using phones and laptops. Basically I'm hoping hmds can completely replace flatscreen as soon as possible.

Keep doing what you do.. It's great!! People are allways gonna hate and or be pesemistic, do not fret over it, can't pelase everyone all the time. It amazes me the number of people that go out of their way to bring other people down.

VR to me seems to be at the end stages of the PS3 soon you can see it's getting a lot better and as consoles are going down it seems like as far as gaming I think VR is taking off and I'm excited to see the future

Both Retropolis and Wanderer delayed. At least Retropolis is finally coming out this week! I am bummed out about Wanderer.

Sharing the frustration that VR has shifted into mobile but happy that it’s alive and bigger than ever. Will just be patient for standalone to catch up to PCVR … if ever it does 😕

I'm pretty big into VR Sim racing and flying. I think pcvr has found its spot in the Sim world

I'm too old to still care for graphics race - I'm ok revisiting nostalgic graphics with Quest under new medium, it's like reliving PS2 and 3 days again. I like that VR is getting games more often but unfortunately it's feeling like cheap short tech demos slapping some big flatland name to it is back and backfiring... like Homeworld and Smalland. Medieval Dynasty is a light version too but growing the right way and I'm excited over MudRunner... gosh we need so much more racers, and this is not even racing, but driving...

off by 1k. $3500 for the base AVP, unless you want to chance it with ebay. "what it used to be" was just a rose colored glasses look at a time that might have been. Generally one or two titles get held up as examples , there are more but they tend not to get mentioned at the rate like HLA & AR, are outliers not the norm. Plus ,they were still somewhat early, and had learning pains of their own.

6:03 - Doesn't Neko Atsume have an AR mode? Why stop at one MR pet when you can have a whole mess of cats?

We need more quality RTA games for VR!!!

Yes, I agree. I was hoping for a few better higher quality titles by now. It's been months, and nothing really has wowed me. AW 2 WAS OK but I only played it because it was free. And didn't get far with it. Now it just sits on my quest 3 taking up space. We need better graphics period. It's time to up the game and start pushing the headset to new levels. If not I'm probably gonna sell it and wait for the industry to get where it needs go. It just seems we are going backwards in graphics.

I’m all in for VR. I have no desire to play flat games. I’m happy that both exist though!

What do you find yourself playing regularly Matteo? Or what do you find yourself consistently going back to? I've been playing a lot of dungeons of eternity and light brigade.

Vr is fantastic but you hit the nail on the head there is too much cartoony type games being flung out there, of which some are good but there are too many. It's VR vertual reality not unreal reality, I get what you say that it'll be worth the wait and I still Love VR and never thought I would ever be able to afford it so all credit to the headset producers for keeping the cost reasonable. I would ideally love to see a game like " everybody's gone to the rapture " an old ps4 game being transposed to vr and hope in the future an adventure like it will be produced. Thanks for the fabulous reviews and love your news featurs MUCH OBLIGED.

Is that Thanos in the thumbnail? Also, I noticed something up with your camera frames.

So do us a solid if it interests enough people. Do a video on what you think about The Wanderer game mechanics. It’s said that they will be leasing it to other companies because I guess it’s so good. It’s said that it could cut back on production time of VR game by 30-40%. What are your thoughts and have you heard of that? Do you think that would actually help push the quality of VR games due to time and team allocation?

I recently (finally) bought a switch and i just can't get enough of it atm. The games are so colourful and fun. I think of vr and i struggle to be equally excited about any of the games i have atm on quest 3. Maybe I'm just too tired atm? I'm hoping Batman etc will be the real deal. Sure i still love it but right now, i can't stop playing Mariokart, tetris 99 and tears of the kingdom and even those retro classics etc. I feel the same about the ps5 as well tbh. I do believe though that they'll be a time where that game and hardware will come. I might just have a swing on golf+ later, if i can take my eyes of watching 200cc mariokart 8 deluxe timetrial world records for deep study lol. It's a shame that Meta is the one to really push vr but they're just so dry as a company.

Dungeon keeper motto was "It's good to be bad"

Hello, what's do you think of Derail valley VR and don't forget low-fi

I cant give my Quest 3 a break. I feel like 2025 is gonna be the year for the full potential of the quest 3 and meta H os. The quest 2 xr2 is like fishing weights. It will be $99 if it makes it to black friday.

I doubt Valve are out of the game, they just take their time doing anything. I would expect that eventually SteamOS will be a VR competitor to MetaOS... maybe.

Ultimate Swing Golf on Smash or Pass

Any News about the Meta Quest Gaming Showcase 2024?! This event should have been announced by now and so far nothing. Last year, 2023, it was announced on May 1 and the event was in early June.

VR is still kewl!

Have you reviewed Brazen Blaze yet? I can’t remember… I’ve gone full fanboy for it. Used with my Kat Walk and with how physical it already is anyways, it’s got the chops IMNSHO to be not just an esport, or a VR esport, but an actual sport “sport” that merely happens to be a VR game. Fanboy bias? Yup, and I couldn’t be the happier for it either!😊

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I wonder if those who complain, are happy about anything? I don't mean that in a judgmental way, but it is easy to get into a negative mindset. Once you are there it is hard to find the good in anything. This is not limited to gaming, it is with movies, comics, politics, food, and just about anything that has a following. Also, I think that a combination of High expectations and a lack of patience creates discontentment. How many flat-screen games are blowing people's minds? I see complaints about those as well. One more thought for those who hate the mobile gaming of the Quest line. If there is going to be any future in PCVR it will be through people buying into those more affordable headsets, and eventually moving to Steam games. The traffic on Steam VR is mostly Q2 and Q3, If a developer is going to produce something for PCVR it is going to be because there are enough potential customers. Adding millions to the player base is not a bad thing, AAA games cost to make so they need to have people who will buy it. Personally, I think VR is great, there is more stuff available than I have time to play. I haven't even tried the UEVR mode for flat-to-VR stuff.

I’m someone currently saving so I can get a PC for VR. I’ve been into VR for 2 years now and if it wasn’t for PlayStation and Meta I would have never experienced VR and made the decision to finally get a PC. I understand why PC gamers are upset but most of us, especially with families in this economy, can’t afford to just go out and get a PC.

just putting it out there, Arcade Paradise VR for Smash or Pass

Check out the new single/multiplayer alien zombie game, The Flip.

The jaded gamers don't make much sense. Standalone with the option of PCVR is the future. I play PCVR games with my Quest3. If it wasn't Meta, then they probably would have different opinions. If Steam releases a standalone headset, then there will be a change of tune.

Hi Matteo 311 I also think you should embrace all VR platforms. I enjoy PC VR but also my quest 3 standalone. If you look closely you will see that almost all games are also released on PC VR on Steam. ok.... batman and assassins creed not. But on the contrary, on quest 3 there are no titles such as half life alyx, derail valley, acid punk doll city, Low-FI, fallout 4 vr whit 120 mods.. etc.. That's why I think we should stop criticizing PC-VR or Quest... but embrace and enjoy all that techno stuff..

Regarding the last topic, I'd definitely prefer more PCVR as the mobile graphics mostly suck for immersion but overall as long as VR is thriving that's ok for now. If development continues the way it is rn we will probably have alyx quality (visually at least) games on mobile in 2 Generations or so. However as a Quest Pro buyer I feel Meta fucked me over. Many games perform worse on the QP as devs never even tested it, nearly no games use the features of the QP, not even meta themselves, so it feels like a lot of empty promises

Definitely love the standalone. Hoping that the mobile chips will only get stronger than allow for games with better graphics.

UEVR is going to be what changes VR. With 40 developers contacting Praydog to give support, that is going to be the point where it changes

These are interesting times. But not to complain about. I'm about to buy old hardware, have fun and wait. VR gaming is secondary for me. I'm into animation and design. I don't need mobile, yet. And right now, i don't need cutting edge. I'll catch up later.

Yes Jaded but there are plenty of experiences yet to try but they are all old like Fallout 4 VR with the mods of course, Skyrim same, as long as mod support is there its ok , racing games should have VR support,AC ACC, my go tto racing games in VR, and American and Euro Truck sim. All old school Half Life ALyx w mods no new stuff for the moment PSVR2 hasnt delivered yet

My salute... we must look at the past to know where we are going. All is not Doom and gloom. It will get there....

Im just wondering.. . Since vr is good... . I think it would be fun for vr enthusiasts gamers if there was sa game that you can ride a cloud.. like a knigth cavalry... you are flying,riding acloud while beating rivalries... heheheh... If the animation was a double camera for double lenses

Ok Give The Vision Pro What If.. We Want Marvel Powers United Back!!

$2500 Apple Vision Pro? You're getting a $1K discount somewhere?

Unfortunately, there is not enough money in just pcvr. We have to get the masses included and then begin to see better pcvr titles.

How can you talk about space pirate trainer DX and not even mention the multi-player component where you move around in real space?

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The biggest issue I have with VR is the weird focus on social/multiplayer, and then every social/multiplayer game is just filled with screaming children.

U kept saying $2500, but i believe the apple headset is actually $3500 before tax

Jaded, I would say not really, but, there are some things as a Prosumer(If you are buying VR you really aren't a consumer its a premium market) I would like to see. Hardware Wise - - With Pancake lenses a decent resolution I think the only thing lens wise is just a larger FOV and Display panels that while the Resolution I think a bump in htz above 120 to 200htz would solve all the issues with being uncomfortable and motion sickness. We also need HDR quality panels with better backlighting. - Battery tech is on its way, we have made so many breakthroughs in the past couple years, its more just a matter at this point of companies getting manufacturing up and going, so something like the Quests 2 hours will turn into 6 hours with a 15min charge time, although heavier for the same given cubic space I think the issues can easily be mitigated. - Controller wise and Tracking Wise, I think Hybrid tracking is the way to go, If I could take a headset on the go and have the camera tracking, but at home be able to use the Index stations for the precision that would be a clear winner. Something like the Pro controllers with a better Index like Finger tracking when holding a controller would be amazing. - USB Type C DisPlay port compatibility, there is zero reason why the Quest 3 did not have this, I should be able to use my GPU as it is supposed to be used instead of limitation in Compression, Meta are idiots for this, they could have easily sold more if they would just listen up. - WIFI 7 will pretty much solve VR wireless issues, it needs to just be adopted quickly with an encoder that allows for compression of games without loss inn fidelity and artifacting - Ray Tracing support when PCVR is engaged - Standalone headsets with their own ecosystem, while allowing a more premium experience that is no compromises when connected to a PC. Quest 3 is great on 1 side while being half assed and an afterthought on the other side. Software Wise - - Windows VR specifically made for VR from the ground up. VR will not be taken mainstream until this problem is solved. - Hybrid tracking baked in use of Laser and Camera tracking methods used together, Full Body tracking can very very easily be handled by Camera positioning rather than having a bunch of nodes strapped to the body. - Something like Proton to natively run PCVR apps using Linux based OS and ARM Emulation both ways - A specific Game Engine like Unreal written from the ground up for VR to accelerate AAA and AA studios facilitating game franchise transitions - More games translated to VR in a proper way, HL Alyx is a great example of what can be achieved where FPS games can be taken and translated to a more thought out, slower paced experience - More Horror and genres that lend to what VR can offer in scope of Atmosphere and Immersion, need games like Fallout and Elder Scrolls to be properly adapted into VR. This is a case where Stealth games can make a huge come back - Classic games transitioned to VR like RE4 was able to do, we need a new Studio like Nightdive but specifically does VR implementations of high end franchises.

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I have been a bit jaded lately when it comes to pcvr, I wish it was still somewhat of a focus for certain companies, but it isn’t anymore, but I haven’t nearly complained about it as much as I’ve just started rapidly losing interest in vr as a whole because of how stale the hardware and software actually is, pcvr games feel so good because quest games feel like how those mass produced mobile games feel, they feel sterile and just pretty boring for the most part, I miss when companies like slz or valve actually seemed like they used to care, but now they either spend an eternity updating their stuff, or they just don’t do anything at all it seems, I’ve basically accepted that the vr I got into isn’t around anymore, and vr nowadays feels like, like I said before, like phone gaming, and that’s not what I signed up for personally, I don’t really care for the fact that standalone will get better with graphics and resolution, it’s more about the open nature of a pc, having free reign over what you can do with your software and/or hardware, and while it’s pretty funny meta calls themselves open, they’re absolutely not, and if the industry follows in their footsteps it’s toast tbh, like come on, this is the exact same company that misused oculus’ potential just to basically create the next smartphone, and you’re telling us to just be okay with it, like I get it, and I’m not trying to sound mad or anything about it, it’s just hard to stand with that when we saw what happened to oculus and what it ended up becoming, you can’t expect a lot of people, especially the jaded, to think that this is a good thing, because considering what we could have had, what we have now is garbage in comparison, and I’m not mad about it, I’m just severely disappointed that it came out the way it did, and that there’s nothing we can really do to bring that back that I know of, I’m tired of the “baby food” games that this industry has been trying to tell us are high end titles, when all they are is games for people to get into vr with and afterwards never pick up a headset again, because there isn’t any actually good games that haven’t already existed for years, and all the fun kinda crappy games are only on steam, because meta won’t let them on their store, so I think on all ends it definitely could have been better, it’s just that Facebook just HAD to buy oculus and turn it into a smartphone for your face, and then proceed to leave the real vr fans in the dust and only make things for babies, you wanna know why there’s so many kids in vr? Well it’s cuz Mr zuckerf*ck decided that all the games and content should make it look like it is for kids, thus cues the idiot parents to get their kid something much more mentally damaging than a phone or iPad, this could very well be the worst possible timeline for vr, especially if the highest rated pcvr app is vrchat of all things (Sorry for the long comment, I just wanted to get my full thoughts on it out, also some things I wanted to get off my chest included)

I heard steam vr is coming for ps5, is it true ?

13:20 To be fair rigfht now what VR should have always been I can't think of an excuse for anyone to not try VR unless they have a weak neck and even then there's AR glasses... Yes not many VR games come out that have IRL graphics but their have been some and more like Microsioft flight sim 2020 and now 2024... In fact modern PCs are so powerful running a modern AAA flat game in VR is fine and even the quest 3 works... LIke Yess are devs lazy and hate money yes... like what is stopping PCVR devs from adding hahnd tracking and mR and quest devs from having setting for PCVR even if it['s just FOPS? Kinda nothing.

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