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Pete, your videos are fantastic mate. What people have to realise is that you are an enthusiast not a specialist and quite often the content is your view and not an absolute science so don't beat yourself up over it. I for one will continue to enjoy your uploads as always.

Sounds like some on the internet don’t have enough to worry about. Good stuff Pete, as always.

In all fairness you are a one man producer, presenter and content creator extraordinaire, during lockdown you kept us entertained and I sincerely appreciate your hard work, I think about the good things that you do rather than minor errors. Frankly, there is no such thing as messing up even big media organisations make mistakes. Viewers can be very critical with all the advantages of hindsight, but we are mere spectators, credit to your creativity and content!

Apology not required Ped - you, and your reviews, are refreshingly personal. Just like tyre kicking with our mates which is why we admire your content. You still need to come trialling mate :-)

Pete, love your videos! I have a GTS 4.0 Boxster and when I watched your comparison video, I thought it was one of the fairest comparisons I had seen. You gave pros and cons to both cars. I felt like the theme was that both cars are great, but different and you nailed it. I was impressed with you being so fair, despite owning one of the cars. I considered a used 2.5 Liter GTS but at the time the used market was so crazy (USA), a new GTS at MSRP (and a long wait) wasn’t a huge difference in price in comparison to a used 2.5 L. At the time, a used GTS 4.0 was pricier than ordering a new one. For the price difference you got, I would have definitely taken the 2.5 L. Stats on the web are contradictory, so don’t beat yourself up. Keep up the good work! Look forward to the upcoming pod casts with Joe Achilles!

I think it was really cool that you revisited the video and addresses the inaccuracies. Personally, I would limit the facts and figures and focus upon your own feeling about, and assessment of, the car. I can easily find out the weight or 0-60 but I cannot find out how good the lights are for example without driving the car at night, something most testers completely overlook. Well done, I applaud your integrity.

Pete. Your videos are interesting and informative. They are your observations and points of view on a range of interesting vehicles. I find them very interesting and if there are some occasional errors then “hey that’s life!”.

I drive 4ltr GTS and was really interested in your vid - and the comments it created on here and also in the Porsche GB forums. Great that you’ve made a new vid and sought to explain - I can’t imagine being cameraman, producer, editor and star but you do all that and I wasn’t for second fussed about your findings. You love your car, I love mine…..your video actually made me love mine more 😂 keep em coming !

I saw the first video of this topic a now the second one. Apart from the many comments and feedbacks you received, I think that isn't so common to find someone who honestly admits his mistakes. Many, would have moved on without any sense of responsibility and respect for the "right specs" of both cars. So... well done Pete! Thank you for what you doing and for seeking things done right 😉

Minority viewers Pete, those that respect you and your channel know how difficult it is. As one of the best content creators out there, us mere mortal viewers have nothing to moan about, quite the opposite, gratitude for all that you do and the hard graft that you put in.

Pete, please just continue to do what you do so well - honest, enthusiastic and informative videos. So many people appreciate the time and commitment you give to producing consistent quality content - just read the positive comments here and focus on that rather than the minority. Personally you continue to help me in my own quest to purchase my very first Porsche - your enthusiasm is infectious and I can’t wait to become the proud owner of a 718 Cayman.

Ive been watching you since you had less than 6,000 subscribers , I can remember you got so excited when you got to 10,000

I watch both you and joe because you are the normal average petrolhead in the street and 99% of the time you both work hard to provide quality and accurate content. I could never do what you guys do because of that minority out there just waiting to pounce on anything they can shake an angry fist at. My guess would be a really fat wallet stopping you sitting lower in the 4.0. Have to say i do enjoy the ped talks, whether its car catch ups or dog walks and now the podcast. Love you guys

I had a 4cyl 718 Boxster S 2.5L and it was a brilliant bit of kit. I now own a 911 but if I had the money I would still have the 718 too. Obviously very different cars in there own right but equally enjoyable to drive. Another point to mention on the tyres, when I bought the 911 it had P zeros, I went to Snetterton and had a great day ragging them out and a week later fitted PS4S, it’s night and day how much better they are 👍. Love the channel Ped

I have a 718 boxster and as soon as I swapped the P-Zero’s for MPS4S(N) it completely changed the experience and much improved the driving experience ESPECIALLY in the wet, I hope you enjoy them my friend!

Great video and great honesty! I tried to speak to you last weekend at Goodwood members meet but every time you came into the great hall I was singing outside. I just wanted to tell you that I love your videos and to thank you for your content! Maybe next year at the 81st 👍🏼 Thanks and keep ‘em coming Stuart

As it’s been said you’re enthusiast not an automotive journalist and I’m really not bothered if you made a few errors mate. You were giving your impressions of the cars and telling us why you went with the flat four over the 6 cylinder. I enjoyed this video like I do all your videos because you’re you. You haven’t changed from the humble Petrolhead you were in the early days, the you tuber who helped us get through lockdown and created the scandal of sponge and flap gate to the success you have now. I’ve waffled on but please know this subscriber loves the content you take the time to put out and you’re appreciated.

Ped well done another great honest video. Out of curiosity have you tried out another 4Ltr GTS just wondering if it might just be something particular to that actual vehicle when it was manufactured. Enjoy the new set of tyres it’s always a great feeling on the first few drives after they’re fitted.

You also forgot to mention in the original vid that the 4.0 GTS has 6-piston front brakes as opposed to the 2.5 S/GTS both having 4-pistons (rear brakes remained the same). Keep up the excellent content!

I love these tires. I have both the summer and the winter versions and just keep changing seasonally. Have fun on your tour. I am going on a smaller tour back to the Smokey Mountains again for the Mini Drives the Dragon event. (By the way I found the errors insignificant as I was more interested in how it performed, which to date you have not steered me wrong!)

I think I may have seen (on rare occasions), the odd video where I have been suspicious about some of the stats you’ve given but at the end of the day you come across as a genuine and authentic person who has a passion for cars, who cares about their content and if there is the rare error (which can happen to anyone) that appears on a video which is free to consume (and which comes with the disclaimer that it is not professional journalism), who are we to complain about it ? I personally think you’re doing a great job and I love the down to earth nature of this channel.

Pete, forget what other commenter say. They obviously need to get a life if those are their largest issues. Thank you for the videos you've produced over the years. You provided some much needed distraction during covid and i for one am a grateful fan from across the pond

I fitted 4 tires MICHELIN Pilot Sport 4S on red Fujilight Renault wheels (Trophy-R), these are really perfect tires, the finish on the sidewall is also as smooth as velvet. I am dressing the tires also with some CARPRO Darkside (you can use Carpro Pearl also) and the finish is lovely, beautiful tires to look at. I paid 880€ for 4 tires in 245/35R19 93Y which is not absolutely crazy regarding the quality. You'll love them on the Porsche for sure. Cheers from Belgium.

I find tyres interesting. (Sad ain't i 😅) imagine how much of a car actually touches the road, it's hardly anything. So it's amazing how different quality tyres make such a difference. Would love you to do a video with the cheapest tyres you can get and see how much difference it makes

When my mate went to do his Driving Test, not only did his old Land Rover have different treads and tyres on each corner, but different wheel sizes. The Tester just giggled and shook his head. "If you can drive THAT you can drive anything"!! Gotta love rural Shropshire/Wales in the late 70/80's. Just watch Harry's vlog from Sunday, all filmed around our area. We had an Alfa 1750 GTV to play with.

Good on you for making this video, as a non sports car owner either of the two cars are gems on the road , looking forward to some autobahn driving in the GTS 😊

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong! You are a very authentic person and your videos come across as such. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to your next video!

Well said Pete. Unlike most commenting I have owned both. I had the 2.5l flat 4 from new for just under 3 years and currently the 4.0 flat 6 for just over 2 years. They are quite different experiences. Personally, I prefer manual and the flat 6. Have only run P Zeros on both my Caymans so interested in your views on the PS4S’s. That’s what I want to move to…. Sounds like another video! Keep the content coming!

Beautifully done. It’s always tricky once you start getting into the stats on these cars. New car launches with press teams etc are one thing but doing your own research always throws up contradictory bits and pieces. Great content as always.

This video here proves what I’ve always said about ya Sir Pete. A genuine guy with a love for cars and subscribers. To admit wrong and correct shows a lot of character. Great Job Sir Pete!!

Your comparison video was great. This video is great! ........ joys of getting into details about a car that we love!

I have always thought that there was something wrong with me because I have always loved going to a tyre shop to get new tyres fitted, normally on a Saturday morning. I just love the smell of a tyre shop and the feel of the new tyres afterwards. I just love the whole experience.

First, major kudos for posting a follow-up video to clarify previous discussions comparing 2.5L Turbo and 4.0L NA 718 GTS models. As you summarized, these two variants certainly do offer different driving experiences. One important topic I discovered which probably could be mentioned is the presence of turbo lag with a 2.5L car. After having driven both versions of GTS cars, I noticed that the 2.5L definitely has turbo lag which can only be avoided if kept in Sport+ mode. Demonstrating this point, I performed a simple comparison test which was to cruise at 50mph and then stomp the throttle (which simulates overtaking a slower vehicle on the highway). Doing this test reveals the presence of 2.5L Turbo lag in all modes except Sport+. The issue is probably related to only having a single turbo (whereas the 991.2 and 992 use twin turbos but which are still not identical to a true 991 or 992 Turbo with its twin VTG turbochargers). As a result of my two GTS test drives, I decided on the 2023 718 GTS 4.0 (to avoid the turbo lag issue) and am thoroughly happy with this decision! One final side note, I happen to be a 6'2" tall driver and interestingly have found the 14-way Sport seats are very comfortable on 3+ hour jaunts. To prevent hip discomfort, I set the seat low with slight rear tilt and adjust lumbar for solid lower back support. This appears to work well. Cheers!

Not using launch control on the 2.5L GTS is nerfing it quite heavily vs the 4.0L. I've seen people launch the 2.5L GTS 0-100kmh in 3.7s, while the 4.0L only manged 3.8s with launch control. If you just accelerate by stomping the throttle, a naturally aspirated engine will ALWAYS have the advantage.

Don't beat yourself up too much Pete. Your content is superb, that's what matters. You are a very open and honest presenter, many wouldn't worry about apologising, so big thumbs up regardless.

You shouldn't be afraid to use the launch control. It's literally designed to do it, the PDK box is very robust and it will do them all day long and not miss a beat.

Hi Pete, I have watched bundles of your video’s now and can I say just keep up the good work, I have to confess that I am collecting my GTS 4.0 in Arctic Grey the second week in June. I called Porsche to ask if the cabin size was different and they were not aware, can I just say thank goodness as I, like you, am 6’4. So looking forward to the new car, got the experience day on Thursday at Silverstone and it will be the first time in the 4 ltr ( currently in a 981 ). Can I also say your post on insurance was brilliant, I had the devil of a getting mine insured as I don’t have a garage or gates at my house. I have got L & V lined up but will give you guys a call for a sanity check. Any how, there are enough moaners out there, keep up the good work, there are loads more of us that really appreciate your honest thoughts and delivery Cheers

I feel your pain mate, people always want 0-60 comparisons but it just isn't worth it as there are too many variables for it to be worthwhile. The biggest one of course is that most of the time you aren't in a press car so don't want to do full bore standing starts in cars that do not have race spec flywheels and clutch kits etc. IMO Its more meaningful to do side by side in gear acceleration tests to remove a lot of the variables and keep the stress off the drivetrain.

On the 3 Boxster's I've owned, I always ran Pirelli P Zero tires. The Michelin tend to last longer, however, the Pirelli Zero's handle better and stop shorter. (my personal experience) I believe there is a reason Pirelli tires come standard on so many very expensive sports cars. Pirelli makes excellent sports tires.

Great video, thanks for your honesty it shows what a true gent you are. Keep up the good work.

You have a good way about you as evidenced by addressing your observations of the earlier GTS andGT 4.0., comparison vide. I own a factory spec 2023 CGTS 4.0 (manual). I optioned the 18-way seats - which is my only compliant. They are very comfortable but require electronic adjustment as I like my seat in the in the far back position on entry and exit.

Thanks for the explanations. When listening to the episode in question I had a few doubts but I trusted your general perceptions.A handheld laser measurer from Bosch might be useful. Firstly, having being in a 2009 Boxster, recently I was quite shocked by the lack of space compared to say an e89 Z4, a car also lacking much space for the long legged (and I am average at 181m tall). It is fair to say that an MGB does the job better for larger drivers! Secondly, there is an awful lot of internet waffle about exhaust noise. The reality in Europe, tyres drown out anything that is remotely legal (and you will get pulled over if you make too much racket (motor bikes seem to have exemption though!). Lastly, the smaller Porsche makes very much more sense. It is plenty fast enough and unless you are upto the Nordschleife and Francorchamps in the wet, it is best to keep quiet!

I commented that I needed the extra leg room - thanks, but got told in the comments you were wrong, I didn’t expect an apology, so many RU-vidrs either ignore you or are quite blunt if not rude so we’ll done, we all make mistakes, it’s how you rectify them that counts, don’t feel bad, feel good for letting us know.

Your videos are great, you’re so personable and really informative. You really give an honest review and put us in driving seat and sometimes in our dream cars! Figures are so conflicting and you do your best and that’s all you can do 😀. Your logic with the bulkhead made sense to me and you checked with your take measure and there was definite difference. Keep up the great videos

Ive only been subscribed to your channel for about 6 weeks and I love the content, keep up the great work. I joined for the Mini videos as I'm a Mini fan, I love Ruby Roadster she's a beautiful car. Looking forward to all your future content.

Hi Pete. Completing this video shows the sort of person you are and that is very positive. You love the car and really care about your audience. It is hard to make comparison's about two cars that on paper should be very similar. In many ways, these two are very similar but in some they are not and if you know one a lot more than another, views are always going to be influenced by that. Facts and figures - yes, in some respects, it's best to focus on the subjective, but people still love the figures, even when they are so close as to not have a material impact. The weight one is quite amusing - as I said in a previous post, you can still see the 2.5GTS in China and Porsche's own spec shows it is actually very slightly heavier than the 4.0. I'd be very surprised if that difference (even if it was the other way around) would be discernible. If you are sensing something, it is much more likely to be amount of fuel in each car, the condition of the tyres affecting cornering or braking or the way power / torque is delivered. As mentioned, torque is identical at peak but you get a hit of it very early on the 2.5 (turbo) but with the GTS4 it is more progressing, albeit 80% available from just over 2,500rpm. Even with the same (to all intent and purposes) acceleration, that delivery feels different and could be perceived as requiring more effort with the NA and that could be attributed to possible additional weight. I've driven both (although, on my side, the knowledge / experience bias is with the 4.0). They are both superb and as you say, even from an emotional perspective only, one is not better than the other - just different. The sense of better could easily change with time owning each car, but maybe, for some, it wouldn't. Keep up the good work. Paul

Great video Pete I admire you for putting your hands up for making some mistakes, you usually are so right about all your information that’s why you are my No 1 char channel 👍🏻

Top man for the honest update, it's easy to get the wrong end of the stick with some of the incorrect and confusing information out there on the web. You should frame those French Pirelli tyres, more expensive than a lot of art. Good move on the PS4S, we had two sets on our 981 after the Pirellis cracked badly, we are waiting to get the new P Zeros replaced. You will need to do a few miles to properly bed in the Michelins. Enjoy your videos, even more so for your honesty.

Pete, great videos. This one is so authentic it made me a big fan. I liked your videos before and even more now. We need more of this in the world. It’s ok to make mistakes, just own them! I and am shopping 718s for a first Porsche and find your stuff fun and useful. Thank you.

Hi, I always enjoy your videos, and every one is allowed to make mistakes, every ones an expert on social media 😂😂. Ps I have had a Boxster 986 since 2012 and it still puts a smile on my face every drive out, keep up the good work Pete look forward to the next video 👍😎

See it all the time on carwow mate, so to do it once it’s good going considering the content you put out weekly, consistently. It probably means more to you as I know this was a video that you spoke about on the podcast, that you were very much looking forward to doing. You probably felt it more because of that too! Keep up the grind! Numbers are HUGE!!!

Hi Pete. Thanks for the clarification. No excuse is needed. I respect your huge efforts for making these information and videos available. I enjoy following and watching all of your content.

Nice vids, no worries mate! Concerning your seating position, there seems to be a difference in the height of the seatrest against the rollbar in the two cars. Could there be a height/seatback angle adjustment that actually was different and made you feel the discomfort in the 4.0? I’d have any of them by the way, to replace mine tired old 987….😂

Is there a small stone chip in the windscreen Pete? Great video thx for the update - always open & honest & that’s appreciated! 👍

Respect for the honesty. Tbh the arm chair experts will always pick holes. As an owner of a humble 986 for past 12 years, all I ever get told by my mates and other so called experts, it’s crap. 😅😂😅

Keep up the great videos informative entertaining and such a variation of makes of cars. Plus in lockdown your Pup Walks were great.

Well done for all your hard work 👍 as a tall driver though I would love to know why the driving position is so different?

Love your videos - don’t worry about the minor discrepancies and … also get the “new tyre” driving experience. I always ponder on what is the ratio of: Really good tyres when changing up to PS4s (which I love) and the mental “hey new tyres” which is a bit like “washed car always drives nicer” 😀

Does the 4.0 GTS have a different seat? Have Porsche changed the padding or bolstering in subsequent model years?

Love the Michelin Pilot 4s. Changed over both my cars to them and they were a serious upgrade to previous tyres on the cars

Thanks for your honesty ... I enjoyed that comparison video ... Thanks

Just wondering and hope I didn't just miss it, is there an answer to the cabin size / seating postion conondrum by now?

Your videos are always informative, and much appreciated. As I am your height and was looking for a 718 I thought I might as well forget a 4.0 so just bought a 2.5 two weeks ago! Oh well fairly happy with the 2.5 but at least I now know a 4.0 is still an option in the future. Interestingly ours has the heated folding carbon buckets and these do definitely give more legroom due to the thinner backrest.

Always love your work Pete. No need to apologize. People need to calm down.

Anyone know the difference between SL and XL tyres specifically for the Porsche N rated PS4S tyres? Some Tyre company seem to only sell XLs and I wonder if that is a reason to not go with that company. Any thoughts appreciated thanks!

Honesty is the best policy so well done (gave yourself some timeline/editing pressure there!). Tyres - I have 4S tyres on my Kona N. They are totally different to Pirelli P Zero's; better grip, softer tyre wall so more comfort and less road noise, just feel more secure, especially in the wet!

That’s not the only things you get wrong…!!! I’ve just got my birthday message telling me I am 100yrs old and want a Nissan Figaro!!! My boys were laughing their heads off!!! - much appreciated 😂

No need to apologise we all make mistakes it’s not that any harm was done to car or human . Don’t beat yourself up over it . Still enjoy your videos. You are a refreshing reviewer that always delivers an entertaining watch .

I think it would be an interesting idea to get hold of the car again and get Porsche to demonstrate the seating positions. There's nothing wrong with the flat 4, but the flat 6 does sound better being the classic engine of the last 40 odd years

This is the internet, an apology? Refreshing! Good vid Ped. Keep up the great work.

Totally support you on the cabin space.... It is clear enough that you measured it every way you could. Why not make that assumption.... it is fair. Cabin space in sports cars is a very important thing. There are tall people and the point you mentioned is valid. They need items like this highlighted. That helps people to look into possible issues. Look at the Audi R8... with its famously small cabin.

We feel your pain! 🫣

A genuine top guy... Always find his videos really good aa un like some he tests the cars I might buy

Fair play. I still wonder if there's some subconscious bias in the mix, BUT credit to you for acknowledging the inaccuracies. It must indeed be a challenge to validate data at times. To be honest I would never have considered that the bulkhead would move between models. Why they felt different, I've no idea, given the same seats, unless the pedal box set up differs; bringing them closer to the seat. Anyway, have fun. Thanks for the enjoyable content👍🏻

You’re one of my go to reviewers who i can rely on for a genuine heart felt opinion rather than a jeremy wannabe. Keep the content coming, some of the best around

It has to be the physical seat, wether it’s the seats construction, or the seats rails?

Hi Pete, apologies if someone else had already suggested re seating: 18/14 way electric vs 2-way manual adjustment changes how low a seat can go (I assume electronics in the way?) Do you recall if the seats were different?

Fantastic Video, well played for correcting your errors.

Great vid. Real enthusiast who can admit he doesn’t know EVERYTHING and can get it wrong. Like him, I’m looking for 2.5L 718 GTS Cayman for the same reason, 4.0L out of my price range. Never seen a bad review on what yet, and yes, it won’t be six cylinder with a flat 6 tone engine, but being my first Porsche I’ll live with it. But I like the fact 2.5L has better torque so I guess it’s what important to you, and what your budget is.

Good on you for clearing those issues up.

Hi Pete, due to your statement about having less room for seating in the 4.0 compare to the 2.5 I hesitated to purchase the 6 cylinder for some time. At that point I clould follow your thoughts and considered it to be a very important information. But after having had a deep conversation about that issue, Porsche assured that this is not the case. So last week I ordered one of the very last 4.0 GTS Boxsters and will give away my 991.1 Carrera S Cabrio for the Boxster. Quite a coincidence to get to your video today about some faulty statements of yours ;-) no problem with that, because I really appreciate your effort and your passion and to me it really made sense. A good and comfortable seating position is more important then most of the people might think. So everything went really well for me and I will get my new Boxster 4.0 delivered (one of the very last ones in northern Germany) at the end of April. Aftere that date no 718 will be build with combustor engines anymore. Thank you very much European Union ...

Hello Ped, I too have a 2018 GTS and like you, I love it and so much so that more than likely I will end up keeping it. I personally do not have an issue with the sound at all, I am pretty sure I have a std exhaust set up and if anything, mine sounds louder than yours whereas I saw you have an after-market one - would like to try and compare this at some stage given the chance and hopefully prove me wrong. For info, I purchased mine with the PS4S NO already fitted, from the date stamps believe these were the originals and have only just this week changed to a new set after just hitting 18K Miles. Fronts in particular still had plenty of miles in them but I am with you on a performance car needing the correct boots and in good condition especially with our ever changing weather. Very much looking forward to seeing your high speed blast down the Autobahn 🙂 Have a great one.

Did you get the wheel alignment checked when the tyres were fitted? the rears looked quite unevenly worn.

Nice channel cabin size experienced similar I'm tall 6,5 the newer boxster might well have same size by volume but slight changes in design can alter the layout without altering cabin size by volume - if you tall - or just shall we say wide/unfit it is noticeable, elbows might touch door when didn't before etc It is not imagined. I find older 911s more spacious but newer variants have airbags, insulation and seat padding it all adds up.

Hi Pete no one is perfect, and as oyu say when under pressure that is when things go wrong. With cars like those you have to feel comfortable in them to get the best out of them. You always say it as it is no hidden agenda.

I watched the video a week or two back and really enjoyed it. I wouldn’t apologise at all. It was your view / opinion only and any reasonable person would know that. Keep ‘em coming!

The reason launch control starts at mid range is 1st gear doesnt need to be built up from idle and quickly into 2nd. Then even with the best tires can still get slip. 718 is nice and tempting. For me sound is 9/10ths of the law. It adds to the experience as a whole. Induction sounds are amazing in the older turbo cars. Everything is OPF and dialled down with new cars. Overrefined.

Fair play to you for doing this vid. But don’t beat yourself up over it… still one of the best channels on YT. Just a thought - did the 4.0 have electric seats and yours have manual? I know when shopping for my GTS 4.0 the electric seats didn’t appear to go as low?

Pete good video - will be swapping my P Zeros to Michelin 4 S on OAK718 - but likely 3 years away as I get 18k out of tyres the way I drive!

Hi Pete, I was one of the commenters on your original video as I have a 4.0 GTS on order and was concerned it wouldn't fit me. Hopefully my comment wasn't harsh, it wasn't intended to be. Thanks for the follow up

Pete You are still one of the best if not the best Thank you for everything Tim

Dunna worry about it mate, life's way too short and some people just have much too much time on their hands. Onwards and upwards...

Top Tip, take a torque wrench and check the wheel nut torque is to factory spec just before you go for a high speed run on the autobahn

Very big of you to do that, nice one PP! No idea why you can't fit in a 4.0 GTS, happy to let you try in mine if you're ever nearby!

Great video , just a thought I am short and in one car I had they had added adjustment by moving the seat runners , only 30mm like on the bolt holes in the runners.

Sir! Your forgiven! 🫶🏻 Enjoying your content so much. Keep it coming ☀️

No worries here Pete....honest mistakes. You do great work and I appreciate the effort!

Really appreciate your honesty!

Mate,there are over 7 billion people on this round thing we call home so we are bound to bump into some knobs at times it just seems that a couple of them may watch your brilliant channel I would worry to much my friend just keep the content coming

In my GTS if I have the seat reclined a bit more the seat doesn't go as far back. That's the only thing I can come up with as a reason it wouldn't go back further.