I Miss Sonic Character Spinoffs 

I’m just glad that Sega is slowly letting other characters do more than stand in the background. They still have a ways to go, but I’ll take what I can get.

Imagine for Sonic's birthday, Shadow takes the stage similar to Year of Luigi and SEGA announces a Shadow the Hedgehog remaster. It's 20th anniversary is next year so this would've been perfect.

All we need is a big the cat spinoff then we will live in peace

it's kinda funny how we have tails skypatrol, chaotix and then all of a sudden I SEE NO HEAR NO EVIL, BLACK WRITINGS ON THE WALL UNLEASHED A MILLION FACES AND ONE BY ONE THEY FA-

I honestly hope more Sonic character spinoffs come in the future. I want a new Tails game 🥺

6:08 five nights at amys

I would love a small 2d game with Amy as the main character, but cream, blaze and Rouge are also part of it, it would be so much fun to see them interact, as a girl team

The shadow stuff just confirms he’ll be in the new movie that comes out in december

I unironically think Knuckles Chaotix is the best classic game or equal to Sonic 2. Would love to see Chaotix get a port or new game

What a coincidence, I had a dream last night that I found a used copy of Knuckles Chaotix. And for some reason it was a VHS tape and not a cartridge.

Sega knows spin-offs won’t do well, because there’s legit still some sonic games failing

I like how he puts flashy lights warnings in nearly EVERY VIDEO, and there aren't any flashy lights.

All those games in the opening are great to me.

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When I discovered Tails used to have his own games, I tried out Tails' Adventure. While it wasn't the best "metroidvania" (if you could even call it that) at all, something about it just felt appealing; refreshing even. I'm amongst the rare people that don't really care a lot for Sonic himself even in his own games, it's the other characters he interacts with and impacts that have always caught my attention more, and there I was playing a game where Tails could finally be his own hero-- something both Adventure 1 and Frontiers would later attempt to set up for (which only ever paid off in Adventure 2 where he WAS pretty much helping pull strings on the hero's side and in control of most of the situations). Shadow and especially Knuckles I don't have quite as much of an attachment to, but even then I appreciate their games because the 2010s pretty much made me absolutely tired of seeing Sonic get all the spotlight; when back in the 2000s I absolutely adored having so many colorful choices. (Also, Shadow's game having a morality system straightup would've never worked for Shadow himself imo; however the avatar from Forces legit could've used that, in order to feel more like an actual character that YOU build the trajectory of, rather than influencing an existing character that was already supposed to have found his goal before the game even started)

It's criminal there has yet to be a Blaze The Cat spin-off.

4:23 UNLIKE SONIC I DON'T CHUCKLE

Chao Garden with Cream! That side mode is popular and cozy game are on high demand lately, could be a perfect match

I still toss on Chaotix from time to time. It's a joy.

Hey Kiro, i wanna say that, you keep making my day better, and so does you, so…..Thank you. :)

I love Shadow 05. Over SA2 for me, genuinely. I really like its movement, soundtrack, and even some of the level aesthetics. Also original JP story is surprisingly good!

Your videos are consistently fantastic! Great work.

I think Sonic spin-offs becoming more common would be awesome, and I did very much so enjoy The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog (can't believe it's already been a year!), but I'd rather Sonic Team or Sega in general get their stuff together regarding the main games first before they tackle an entirely different beast, literally. Perfect Sonic before you start Tails, or Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, Rouge, Eggman, whoever else could make a good protagonist in their own spin-off. If their still making 7/10s like Superstars and Frontiers, they should work to change those to 8/10s or 9/10s before they move on.

Same I Miss Sonic Character Spin-offs ❤

"I Miss Sonic Character Spinoffs" I miss Sonic character spinoffs too and I know this might sound silly, but I hope that Amy gets her own spinoff game. Because if Princess Peach can get her own spinoff game, so can Amy.

I've been saying this since Sonic Mania was revealed but a Knuckles treasure hunting game seriously needs to happen. Roguelike, Metroidvania, maybe even nonlinear level based progression like Super Mario World or something. Bring in the Chaotix, make Rouge a playable character, hell bring in characters from the comics. The series has such a ridiculous amount of potential, the only thing that's stopped Sonic from being Mario's equal in every way is placing ambition in the wrong areas for the franchise. On a related note I'd love a Tails mecha game so fucking much, his mechanics in SA2 might not be the greatest but in a game that dedicates itself to it where you get to customise his mech, use his unique tools to interact with the environment outside of his mech for exploration, puzzle solving, etc? Basically imagine Ratchet & Clank but you have a pilotable mech. God why can't Sega cook with this franchise, it's such a shame. Good ideas come so naturally to Sonic games that never happen.

1. Shadow is a good game I will not have this slander. 2. The problem wit this is that noone will buy a game solely focused on Amy or Tails unless sonic's name or face is on the box. Even murder had to go on the premise of "KILLIN SONIC" to intrigue ppl enough to try it. The ONLY character capable of gettin away wit this is shadow but then u have to deal wit the rep his only game has & that's a blessin in some aspects but mostly a HORRENDOUS curse. The new Shadow content in Gens is predicted to actually be a replacement of his game cus THEY WOULD NVER FULLY REMAKE OR REMASTER SHADOW 05. It has a stain on the franchise almost as bad as 06 or Boom 3. Shadow is meant to be mainline but most ppl treat it as a side thing

sega doesn't really care about spinoffs anymore

How about an Amy survival game where she's being pursued by different E-100 series robots? We could fill out the rest of the Greek alphabet.

1:49 No, I think it was most likely because of how many people were hating Sonic’s friends. Like everyone hated Sonic’s friends back then, and Sonic Team probably was trying to mend the hate they got from 06. It’s what led to how the 2010s has been.

2:22 I wish this never happened and Sega just learned to give their devs more time to cook. Like look at Shadow Generations. It looks like it’s going to be pretty good from leaked gameplay footage. And that game is going to be less as long than Sonic Generations. Showing that they had probably enough time for the nowhere near as ambitious project like 06 to create the game. I honestly like the characters in Sonic, and it’s nice seeing more of a nice, varied, and unique mix of characters every game if that did happen. It’s one reason I like Archie, especially when they introduced Sonic Universe. As they focused a lot on different mixes of characters, and had different characters as the focus. Granted, that’s story based, but the same holds true for Sonic Rivals 2 when the randomly teamed Silver up with Espio. Which again isn’t a gameplay thing. I just want to see more representation for Sonic’s wider cast of characters.

I feel like people bash Knuckles’ Chaotix a little too hard, like yeah, the level design is a bit unfinished, the enemies are fucking worthless, and Heavy and Bomb are probably one of the worst playable characters in any video game, but the game has an amazing soundtrack, rivalling other classic Sonic soundtracks, the special stages are heavily underrated, being one of the best in the series, and the pixel art is beautiful, so beautiful in fact that it seemed to be the inspiration for Sonic Mania’s art style. The game is not perfect and I understand that, but it is not as bad as people say it is. It has so many good things going for it that people completely overlook just to talk about how bad the mechanics are, even though they probably completely skip the tutorial. There’s a reason why there’s a tutorial at the beginning of the game, (unlike the other Sonic games for the time) it’s because the game’s mechanics are a lot more complex and less as “grab and go” as the Genesis Sonic games were. It takes time to understand how to play and master Knuckles’ Chaotix’s mechanics, and some people just don’t have that time, and I understand that. All I want is for this game to have a second chance on a newer platform, as the game lived and died on the very console it was released on, the 32X, which is undoubtably a worthless piece of shit, and that is a fate worse than death. This game is my guilty pleasure and nothing will ever change that for me, and I’m OK with other people’s opinions, I’m just trying to make it clear why this game deserves a second chance.

You’ve been waiting a long time lil homie is you still want a spinoff

I would love it if they brought back spin off. It could work. Us love another take on a shadow or Knuckles game but that being said I'd honestly love to see a team chaotix game or maybe a 2d game featuring Mighty and Ray

That Princess Peach Showtime game was pretty good, I’d love to see an Amy Survival Horror Game like you suggested or even a Blaze the Cat game where we get to see more of her Sol Dimension. But as for new genres I’d like to see a Sonic RPG the most, yeah I know Chronicles exists but it just was held back by being on the DS and people still making fun of it for its bad music. If they were to ever bring back Mario & Luigi you could even throw Sonic & Tails for a crossover that has the potential to be great while pleasing both M&L and Sonic fans who are interested in said genre.

Honestly Sega could profit a lot more off of doing spin offs of other sonic characters. So much potential. Just like how Persona derived from the SMT series and the DK games and Luigi's mansion derived from mario the sonic characters like tails, shadow, knuckles, amy could have their own spin offs expanding upon the characters and the world of sonic even more. Give them more adventures of their own. SA and Sonic Heroes gave us a taste of what could be if each group or characters had their own games.

I would, still, KILL to see a Rouge The Bat game that took a lot of cues from Batman: Arkham.

3:29 They probably just included them because they are like Special Stages. And they were like, “Oh that’s a Sonic thing! Let’s put it in!”. Besides, it would be weird for an April Fools gag to have padding anyways.

They gotta make a game where you play as egg man.

i think we need a new mean beam machine

I would kill for a Blaze game that’s entirely in her dimension and expands upon her fire abilities

18 years? I remember watching the commercials and begging my mom for that game…added to the long list of games I never got 😂

The Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog really is a well made game by Sega, and it's super fun too. Definitely took the Pheonix Wright route with this one.

Silver and Blaze would be front runners if we ever got another game like these

1:25 Not-so Fun Fact: 06 was around 40% finished 6 months before release. And if you look into the data of the Xbox Demo for 06 that came out a month prior to release. It featured an unfinished main menu for the game.

I want another knuckles spin off GIVE ME MY KNUCKLES SPIN OFF

Detective espio. Make it happen!

If Sega does make a Shadow the hedgehog sequel just focus on his Chaos abilities like his moveset could of a skill tree of Chaos skills that you would have to unlock Shadow using Chaos control or Chaos Spear would be badass

5:52 And don’t even get me started with what the fandom has done with the idea for horror based Sonic stuff. (For better and worse)

I think it would be really cool if we got another Knuckles Chaotix styled game, Sonic Heroes does kinda come close, but having a proper sequel would be cool!

The way Frontiers went really makes me wonder if we're going to see spinoffs again. Also: Why is it Year of Shadow when it's Knuckles' 30th anniversary? Also also: I don't really agree that slimming the cast really improved the games. In fact, it was basically when Sega did that that people REALLY started to dislike Sonic games. There's tons of people who really miss when Tails, Knuckles, and Amy actually DID something (Not to mention the entire fandom probably despises how Tails has been completely de-railed by the writers post-Unleashed and pre-Frontiers.). Sonic Forces itself feels like the custom character was maybe forced into a place that was originally meant for Tails and we all know Classic Sonic was hastily tacked on there. What Sega needed to do was just focus on the four core characters. Sonic, Tails, Amy, and Knuckles. They were the best parts of the Sonic Adventure games for a reason. This is why I should finish watching the video before commenting: I think if Frontiers really did mean Sega was spinning off characters like I hope, then it would be pretty easy to see how to play out the characters. Tails is a natural choice for Metroidvania, maybe even Soulslike-quality games. Not just because he already had a Metroidvania, but because his skillset and personality would align perfectly with a serious sort of story involving that gameplay. Tails, when written properly, is a force to be reckoned with. Knuckles being a collect-a-thon is a slam-dunk. I completely agree. Amy survival horror itself also sounds like a good fit and does well to further build on her character from the Adventure games: Amy is a stronger protagonist than she gets credit for. A common thing between these new "subfranchises" should be that NONE of them should be facing Eggman, but end up getting their own villains. Either we could revisit some already-established ones like the Kukku or come up with new ones. I'd also really like to see the mainline games go back to giving us playable characters other than Sonic beyond them being "non-canon" versions of the story or just being another Classic Sonic game. Frontiers again kind of gave us a sample of how we could get the core cast back into action again.

i'm currently working on an Amy-centric story featuring a couple other female characters from the SEGA games and Archie comics as companions in a whimsical coming-of-age story across many magical dream worlds. it focuses on more traditional skillful platforming with a handful of character abilities and costumes to overcome obstacles. the major inspirations are the gameplay and aesthetics of the Disney Castle of Illusion and Magical Quest games with fairy tale villains inspired by Sailor Moon Super S and the Nights series.

screw all them “characters with potential” where the hell is my”yellow spring adventures”

RHIS IS WHAT I'M SAYIN !!! Plz SEGA... Make more spinoff games...

Silver deserves his own game!

Kiro could you be just a sonic channel now? Could you make a video called "When the Sonic the Hedgehog/McDonald's Crossover Commercials are wilder than the Domino's Pizza/Mario Crossover Commercials"?

5:00 Omg, I agree so much. Please Sega, more Tails Adventure. Make a Knuckles Collectathon. Make Sonic Adventure styled games with Team Dark. At least one of those. 5:39 Actually, that would probably work best for her now thinking about it.

I always wanted a silver the hedgehog spinoff. They never really explained his back story or how he met Blaze or got his powers. It’s SUCH a shame. I also would like a shadow the hedgehog 2. We’re KINDA getting that with shadow x sonic generations but a full blown new shadow game would be awesome.

Shame we never got a shadow fps or big fishing sim.

I agree we need more sonic games for his friends. Here's some ideas. Knuckles is the easiest for me. He could be a platformer game or a treasure hunting simulator where he collects gems. Maybe we could have a spin off of Rogue and Knuckles one uping each other. Maybe it could be a player two cast. Amy would definitely fit best at survival horror or visual novels. We could have a spin off on Amy rose when she was Classic and have her try to escape Eggman or metal sonic. Or have a fun parody of a dating game where Amy tries to find anything to woo Sonic. We could even have played as Tails and his game could've been inventing or tinkering objects. Like creating Rube Goldberg machines. The Chaotix are easily the best idea in mind. Maybe they could have a fun detective game. Overall I believe there's boundless possibilities like a Blaze The Cat game or Silver or Cream. Hope they could try doing spin offs again despite the setbacks.

ME TOO I REALLY WANT KNUCKLES CHAOTIX AGAIN

Bigs big fishing adventure 3

Knuckles Chaotix is good though. Arguably the only game that evolved the Sonic formula.

I think a Team Chaotix detective agency game would be so fucking funny and cute. Take elements from Detective Pikachu or even The Murder of Sonic, JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!! THEY'RE DETECTIVES YOU WANT ON YOUR SIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Idk about other people, but I'd play an entire game in the style of the e 102 gamma levels

yeah im also agree it also cool to know sega is also doing more with there IP i was getting tired only sonic games and yakuza but there going to do more and it never cross my minds spinoffs i thinks it would be fresh look for sonic games going forward i am sonic fan but to be honest ther also some other great characters who deserved there own spinoffs

Feels like it would be easy enough for SEGA to work with Microsoft to get Shadow the Hedgehog on Xbox back compat.

LITERALLY I NEED A AMY GAME

Me too dude, me too.

Sonichu is the best

Wow was just about to watch some of your older videos and boy am ilucky to found out you just uploaded a video

0:07 [LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER] Shadow 05 is definitely flawed but Knuckles Chaotix is actually a really fun relaxing time, it's a more laid back game in it's level structure and vibes, i can't defend sky patrol (lol) but you could have put Tails' Adventure instead, a slower but still really fun sorta action puzzle platformer. Also, while what you say at 1:36 is true, it would be a sacrifice on the developer's visions to cut so much stuff, i can go without some of the stuff like most of shadow's vehicles but it was totally a problem with SEGA rushing Sonic Team, and then they realised that when making unleashed and said "well, i guess we gotta keep thing smaller" but they still had secondary characters show up in the nintendo ds ver of sonic colors. Basically, Sega just wouldn't let 'em cook lol.

I am the same age as the Shadow the Hedgehog game what a world

Kiro are you just a sonic channel now? The last 6 videos have been sonic related.

We need a third Tails game!

I don’t care about spin offs, just make them playable characters or at least DLC

To be honest, I think I’m the only one that likes shadow the hedgehog it’s honestly not a bad game

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I loved knuckles chaotix

unironically want TMOSTG to be canon

finaly

Where’s the tail skys patrol x silver come on sega

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Personally they shouldn't do this shit , sonic and more sonic . Let's remake sonic r with a better physics

Its crazy how much money , sega is missing out on on not having, spinoffs For knuckles and shadow, like not even full big budget games just small spin-offs or 2d games

We need a 3D character action Knuckles game. And I'm not talkin Knuckles Frontiers. I mean more like a traditional DMC/Bayonetta/God of War etc etc. Where he gets an entire expanded moveset and a full story. No open world needed, a linear game would be fine. Maybe small adventure type fields or something like Unleashed. That would be cool I think

I understand your points here, and generally agree with them, you went about it the wrong way. Have you ever heard of the "Sonic's Stupid Friends" Rhetoric? This is exactly what you were doing in the beginning, and while yu did backtrack it a bit, I'll still call you out on it. It wasn't the game they were working on that caused it, it was the development issues that made 06 unplayable. It's been proven over and over that multiple playstyles can work, but you must note that the games that did do such, did it in much more moderation. SA1, SA2, Heroes, and Frontiers each had 6, 3, 3, and 4 respectively. All amounts that thy could handle. 06 had NINE. This isn't because there are too many Sonic characters simply existing, it's because they were doing too much. Once again, I understand where you are coming from, and I do agree to an extent. But I feel like Sonic fans should have learnt by now that throwing away something simply because it didn't do good once despite succeeding prior isn't the right move. Just learn from the mistakes. If we forget history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Were any of these games good? NO!

Sonic fans in the 2000s thinking that the amount of playable characters were ever a core problem with Sonic games instead of how SEGA pushed Sonic Team's games out too quickly, especially with the transition to HD, was the dumbest take ever, to be honest. It even worked really well in Sonic Adventure, and most people (read: people that aren't game journalists) like Sonic's characters. People want to play as them and them having their own campaign, or even game, is good. What was lacking in Sonic 06 and Shadow and Heroes, and even Adventure 2 probably, is the lack of budget, the small size of the team who makes it and not enough development time for the type of big-scale game they were making. Why would anyone look at Sonic 06, and go "You know what's the problem with this rushed, ambitious game? The amount of playable characters. If we just remove every character but Sonic, we'll have a good game." You don't look at Super Mario Sunshine being a rushed game with so many flaws and go "You know what's the problem with this game? Beach levels. We need to get rid of beach levels in Mario, and then the quality of Mario games will go up." Those types of people caused Sonic Team to remove Sonic's existing friends as playable main characters from the games for nearly 2 decades at this point, even though it was like the one thing no other platformer, not even Mario, had, aside from the focus on speed. So they remove that, and guess what? Secret Rings happened immediately after 06 and it had only Sonic and it was garbo. Sonic Lost World was bad. Sonic 4 Episode 1 was horrible, and that advertised itself for having no other playable characters other than Sonic. It's almost like the friends weren't the problem, hmmm... But now SEGA is too scared to ever make a game that mainly features a different character that's not Sonic, that isn't an April Fools joke. Thanks for nothing, vocal 2000s Sonic fans. If you were wondering why there are minigame sections in Murder of Sonic, it's because it's a mandate that every Sonic game has to have speed in it. That's something Takashi Iizuka has said in the past. Even if it's a visual novel, you have to have a speed section in there.

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I. WANT. A. KNUCKLES. METROIDVANIA. SEGA!!!! 😭🙏

So, Shadow the hedgehog 2 anyone?

i say after sonic frontiers it is a good time to give Tails, Amy & Knuckles their own games ( considering their "arcs" in that game ) for Tails a 3d MetroidVania that plays like ratchet & clank would be perfect for Amy ... i know it sounds ridiculous but a hack & slash like the old god of war games would be good ( lets use that giant hammer as much as we can ) and for Knuckles ... just something like sonic frontiers is good actually , just add the SA1 treasure hunting mechanic and a good combat system and there you have it

Sonic was never good.

Even if Shaodw the Hedgehog wasn’t the best game out there, it’s a shame that its negative reception scared Sega to the point where they never did a character-focused spin-off again. Imagine how dope it would’ve been to get a Silver game, or Knuckles games, or a Chaotix game where you actually solve mysteries, but alas…🥲