I regret buying M1 Max instead of M1 Pro... Here's why 

This is so called deep fanboyism, resulting from the fact of spending extraordinary money on ordinary equipment of people lurking the internet for any info assuring themselves that they bought the best computer ever.

Bro please buy me a MACBOOK air

I guess this is coming from the fact that most of the users does not see some of the point you pointed out as “flaws”, or some of those are irrelevant for them. I do not agree for example on your analysis around the CPU landscape and the place Apple has and will have in the future. I comment on the video and you can see why. I do agree on the fact that very few people will need a M1 max CPU, I got the M1 Pro with 10 CPU cores, I do not see the need for more GPU regarding the usage I will do with this laptop. So yeah, most of the people know exactly why they are buying those chips and it is exactly what they are looking for :)

Another great video Luke, your analysis is right on point, I have a MacBook Air M1 that I bought more than a year ago at BestBuy as an open box, I think i paid $750 for it, I think Apple have this kind of "Tourist Traps" which I always try to scape, but some people can't and those are the people that usually try to justify their "overpriced" purchases.

I agree that few people need that much horsepower from the M1 Max. My only critiques of videos like this (and I love your channel) is: 1) The focus always on power, power, power. I am a professional video editor and don’t need the power of the M1 Max. But I bought a 14” M1 Max. Why? I need 3 external displays. I also appreciate the modularity of this device so I don’t need a desktop AND a laptop (which you miss in your analysis of the price comparison of this and the rumored Mac Mini Pro). 2) Clickbait titles, which this borders on. Otherwise super love your channel. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for that saved me from watching

Thank you

Thank you for saving me from another Apple Bot fan boy….. why I just can’t switch from windows and android 😢

Thank you.

Thank you

Yes

True, all of my Apple desktops since 1997, each can input and edit video. However, I have never been able to get someone to sit down with me and, just show me some simple skills to edit a video.

I upgraded from a 2015 15" MacBook Pro and now my 16" MacBook Pro M1 Max. I made that choice as I don't want to upgrade fpr a while so I feel as I move into 4k video edits and maybe even 8k in a few years.

@@martialartsunlimited01 i am editing huge 4k and 6k videos on macbook air m1 and i have never noticed any lags or anything ,everything is instant and rendering is faster than my amd 5700xt in pc with i9 processor and 32gb of ram...16inch M1 max is an overkill for editing 4k videos...

@@OnlySerbia94 most likely, yet I intend on this being my editing machine for the foreseeable future and I wanted to be somewhat future proof too. With the 26" no thermal throttling, and with the bigger cou and gpu I should be ok with effect and such for years to come.

@@martialartsunlimited01 I doubt you would ever experience thermal throttling with m1 air just by editing 4k videos. I also do some a bit more advanced 3D stuff on it in Blender and i still havent noticed any thermal throttling. Also pros of air m1 ,much lighter ,much thinner and no fans ,so no dust intake which can prolong the device life and there is less possibility of some chipset malfunction caused by dust or particles.

@@OnlySerbia94 I am thinking of getting macbook air 8gb version. Can I edit 2 to 3 layers of 4k 30fps smoothly on fcp?

Agree. Still not that bad than Max Tech YT-Channel, but getting closer. Clickbaiting seems to be the only way for RU-vidrs to grow from a certain level onwards. Don‘t like that development. Usually, I cancel the subscription as soon as this behaviour starts.

@@the_7th_knight207 exactly that, if nobody watches, then there is no money to be made. But there are so many great channels that don't only review Apple products and they are the best ones to watch for a genuine unbiased opinion on new machines. I tend to buy them and return them after making up my own opinion on wether the computer will suit my needs, real world use is far better than someone else's opinion. Its a shame we can get a trial of a computer before we get to make the decision to shell out so much money on them

@@anthony8890 True. On the other hand, if you are not a (semi-)professional video editor or somehow earning your money with these devices, even the lowest spec mac (with Apple silicon) offers you more performance than you need. That means, it was never so easy to buy a computer you can use for many years. Compare that with the old Core i3 MB Air. This one was to weak for anything.

@@the_7th_knight207 YES! exactly, single core performance is the snappiness people feel navigating around the OS, multi core is for work based tasks. Ive got a 12 core machine and its not as snappy as my quad core i3 for browsing etc.

I was about to comment the same thing. One day it's the most amazing super uber cool machine ever!!! The next day it's filled with regret and guilt because it's not worth the money. Then mentioning Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA who only match performance levels when plugged in with 100W of power, unplug them and those machines dramatically drop performance. But it's the constant flip flopping, it's ridiculous

fanless laptops be like

@@Carnage8 fanless x86 laptops are much, much slower, chips are severely throttled.

This is one of the main reasons as to why I have dumped my MBP i9 for a MBP M1 Max, the fans and heat. I even went to the extent of purchasing an eGPU for the MBP i9 so that offloaded the GPU to cutdown the fan noise. The MBP i9 in terms of being a l-a-p-t-o-p was shocking but it did keep me warm in winter :-).

Yes. It's not just an horse power question I think... But for desktops, it will be a other story. We will see if Apple can continue to stand out on this particular market.

Any other laptop will be able to run whatever you feel like running including AAA games 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@KK-lg8uz you can't answer that easily. that would be like asking if the tires are also suitable for winter use. the question is, where do you drive, how fast do you drive, how much snow is on the road, etc. so yes, you can definitely do video editing, probably much better than with more expensive macbooks, which are a few years old. But the question is, what exactly do you want to do? professional video editing for youtube in 4k etc, or home editing

@@KK-lg8uz in that case i would take an m1pro (16 cores) or m2 pro, because you should take at least 16gb of RAM. you will enjoy it for longer.

You are a smart customer.

Thank you. Gamer's Nexus did a video on a similar topic a few years ago to demonstrate that buying a GPU higher than an NVIDIA xx80Ti level card every 3 years is probably not as good of a use of money as buying an xx70 every 2 years.

Exactly !

Agreed. I picked up my M1 Max second hand and saved over $2300 USD sometime you can find those really nice items someone bought without thinking and now have to sell.

^^^ This ^^^

What are the specs of your 14” Mac?

Do you sometimes wish you went for the 16" instead?

@@ilvinai5561 never I love my 14” MacBook Pro as it is the perfect balance between power and size, still light enough to use on my laptop or in bed.

It gets hot mate your legs would be on fire

I’m still using a Mac Pro 5,1 lol and don’t need more.

@@TruenorthmtGod time to upgrade. That thing is ancient

@@emilsecker7881 notice how they put “and don’t need more”

@@harrisonkelly it’s unsupported

@@emilsecker7881 yet again notice the “don’t need more” they’re clearly happy with what they’re using

Yes!

So the fans on your M1 Pro don't kick on but the ones on your M1 Max do when given the same workload?

It is sad that you are disappointed by the M1 MacBook Pro 16” Max. You want the fastest, bestest, sleekest, cheapest, and problem-free computer. That is like wanting a perfect wife. You probably won’t find the perfect Mac and you will continue to be disappointed. My advice? Love your Mac and be satisfied. All computers are delicate balances of technologies, features, and prices. I love my 2020 M1 MacBook Air. So far, I don’t have the slightest desire to buy the 14”, the 16”, the “pro”, or “max”. That is true satisfaction for you. Do I want a better camera, a bigger screen, backup storage, and more ports? Of course but I can easily add these to the M1 Macbook Air for a few hundred dollars. Do I want more speed? Not really. My 2020 M1 MacBook Air is more than fast enough. I can easily live with it for few more years. I loaded my M1 MacBook Air with 16 Gb RAM and 2 Tb SSD for a total cost of $2200. I bought a 26” LG monitor for $270 and use my old iPad Pro 12.9” as second and third monitors. I got a $179 OWC dongle to expand my two Thunderbolt 4 ports and to add a high speed 4Tb SSD backup. When I travel, I carry my M1 MacBook Air, M1 iPad Pro 11” as a second monitor, and iPhone 11 as a WiFi hotspot to connect to Internet. I use a light 100W GaN charger to charge my Mac, iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch, and 20,000 mAh battery at nights. All this fits in a medium size shoulder bag.

@@WISEYOUN I also have a M1 Air. I don't have a Pro because the air is the best value and does everything I need it to do with ease

Not true. ONLY Macs exist at the HIGHEST end of personal computing. There is no PC version of the $10-35k Mac Pro.

@@WISEYOUN Thank you for this super helpful comment. What kind of work do you do, may I ask? If I understand correctly are you in content creation? If so, do you do edit in Prores 422 or internal m.264 / m.265 by chance -- or both? This is where I'm getting stuck on what to buy. Dropping frames aside (which *is* a concern) for regular / non-theatrical / just for web projects, I'll shoot internally in h.264. But for theatrical, I want to edit the footage I shoot on my Ninja V in Prores 422 4k codec without having to transcode, i.e. ideally cut the footage in the same Prores 422 4k as-shot [thereby maximimise image quality and minimise quality loss in delivery]. I also have no interest in spending more than I need to. But *can* spend if I have to. That said, I also have no problem waiting longer for rendering out a file or film, as I try to get off my a** as often as I can between edits -- with sitting being the new smoking n' all... : ) So.. may I ask, what would you recommend for a filmmaker who makes narrative content, simple edits, who has no problem with external dongles etc if required and speed not being an issue... and just might want to *finally* upgrade from their mid-2012 MacBook Pro haha?

@Nathaniel Walker M1 is the base CPU though. Did you mean M1 base model or M1 PRO and MAX? Because these two get close, or even destroy some desktop GPUs and CPUs.

true, but you trade in user interface, apple’s eco system and optimization

@@ThemePro24 Absolutely, if it has to be plugged in, I will use a Desktop computer, even all these NEW chips announced on CES will ONLY work if the Laptop is connected to the wall. They will never be able to overcome this because x86 will ALWAYS need the power to perform. ARM architecture does NOT need much power.

@@pbrigham Plugged in and with a fair amount of fan noise the moment it starts doing anything somewhat intensive.

@@pbrigham Stop being a fanboy, computer are not phones, when you need to work, you need a desk, a good chair and one or two external monitors, no other way if you want to work for 8h so plugging the laptop or not won't matter, and over using your battery will kill it much faster. only idiots will over use their batteries when thet don't need in the first place and the damn thing will cost a small fortune to replace!

@@eddhibyassine I think you can't imagine how often I work "on the go" without wanting to have a powercord with me or a power wall near me.. And with "on the go" I mean just going into another room / to a colleague or something else or even have to switch between rooms very often while doing stuff. Besides that you point with the battery doesn't make sense. When you charge a battery 24/7 (like you said would be better) you will kill the battery way faster. With the M1 Max you can easily use the battery from 80% to 20% and then recharge it to 80% without loosing computing power.

@@ThemePro24 Also the comparison with the M1 Max Mac mini for under 3k.. While that's cool I don't think he knows what the advantage from a laptop over a Desktop is, because a mac mini is not portable..

This is what it needs to differentiate from the Air for sure

How about using a thunderbolt docking station?

There was weird rumors that the M1 MBP would get an M2 update as well. 4TB/the better speakers/2 fans is the only thing I could think of that would justify it still existing in the lineup.

@tanis burt is ur 2012 super slow mine is very slow now

Apple and their stupid lack of ports! I can plug everything on my Razer Blade Advanced 2021 and I have an OLED display.

"no rational way to give a broad based answer to that" Yes there is. M1 Max is absolutely worth it if and only if the answer to the question "Do you really really really really need the efficiency of M1 Max and the mini led screen?" is "f-ing yes". You should look at gaming laptop like Legion 7 and Alienware X17 or 13" Macbook Air if the answer to the question i said is "maybe", "idk" or "no".

I agree with everything you just said but one terabyte is not enough for me anyway

just curious, why would you need 32GB of memory if you don't do any kind of video editing?

@@bunningssnag6647 I have a bunch of apps open on at the same time on five or six desktops. One of the reasons I migrated to the Apple ecosystem was because of how well MacOS handles multiple desktops. I configure the apps and desktops and apps to be the same on all my Macs. Between iCloud and DropBox I have local and cloud storage of all my data on each Mac. Multiple desktops are a huge feature, especially on a laptop where extra monitors wrench it's portability. None of them are video editing but together with the apps Apple opens they occupy around 20GB of RAM. Sometimes more. Now and then a photo app joins them, but it's rare. My 27" 2019 iMac 5K has 64GB of RAM. I've never had more than 46GB in use. 'The way I use my Macs I need RAM more than I need GPUs.

The 32 gb Pro m1 will cost almost as much as the m1 max. Especially with 1 tb ssd.

I don't know what kind of developer you are so take my comment with skepticism. But as an Android developer, I compared M1 Pro 32GB with M1 Max 64GB and I saw at significant diffreence with app compile times. Another observation was that with 1 Android IDE and 1 IntelliJ, my 32GB mac would always be at the limit. with 29GB, 30GB usage of RAM. With this one, it stays stable at 43-44GB. Which made it clear that in 2 years timeline, my development workflow will grow to take up the extra RAM. For ex, in 2019 my workflow would work fine even on a 16GB mac, but in 3 years it already is way behind.

​@@tusharchandra1992 You will see that difference between M1 Pro with 32Gigs and M1 Max with 32 Gigs too because of the memory bandwidth. Additionally, many JB products use hardware acceleration so any sort of decoders or GPU gains it gets, it will take. With my daily use I jump in and out of CLion, PyCharm, IntelliJ, VS Code, Rider, NeoVim and Sublime, Xcode and a few more with about a dozen terminal tabs and some debuggers. I also teach so I do 2-3 hour long sessions with screen sharing switched on, and Brave as my main browser. I also run a few other electron based apps. I am yet to choke my system. Plus my battery life is great so I don’t want anything extra that might drain my battery for things I am not using. I never said that all developers need only 32 Gigs. There are certain use cases where I would absolutely want more than 64, but for most things that I do on my personal machine, price to performance ratio for me plateaus at 32 Gigs of M1 Max and 24 GPU Cores with the 16" form factor. With lower physical memory, RAM memory compression is also more aggressive which allows for lower battery consumption too. The SSDs and the Unified RAM are fast enough and most likely will be fast enough for at least the next 2-3 years as Dual channel LPDDR5 and PCIE4 devices roll out. The idea is that just throwing more hardware at the problem does not make things fast and that most certainly is true with the M1 series chips. I do not want to battle inefficient plugins and extensions with $1200 of my own money in the form of RAM and GPU upgrades; I simply don't use them. All that said, Android studio is said to be resource hungry and if you use a lot of plugins with JB apps, they will eat all available memory and then some. So I use them with caution. But your use case may well justify 64 gigs Cheers :) !

It depends on your use case. For my workflow, I need large amounts of RAM so I opted for the 24 core GPU Max just so I could go for the 64GB of RAM. But yes. Most people won’t need the GPU cores and 32 GB of RAM is more than enough for most.

You're missing the point about people who run a lot of software side by side. Not every measure of performance is about how fast you run a single app. Sometimes it's about how fast you run 150 apps side by side. Think about docker containers. They're servers running side by side. Each app needs only a little, but I need to run a lot of them side by side without dragging my machine into the mud and making it unusable as a desktop at the same time. Also, what Bloo95 said, all those containers need RAM. So I went for 64GB of it cause in 5 years time, I can imagine using it all

@@chrisalexthomas Dude, docker on macOS is a dud - license wise, performance wise. Bug with abbysmaly slow read speed from attached volumes is still not worked out, apparently. YAGNI. If you "develop" by building cloud locally - good luck to you. For amount of M1 Max, you can furnish yourself with beast of AMD setup 16c/32t, 128 GB of RAM and specialized card with multiple SSDs (Gigabyte). Especially, that you DON'T need monster of GPU.

@@piotrd.4850 I do develop on that, but why is develop in quotes? Is it because it doesn’t count as real development or something? That’s confusing. But license wise it’s not relevant to me and volume wise isn’t that much of a big deal either, although more speed wouldn’t kill to have. But I bought a laptop because I can take my machine with me, something I can’t do with the monster machine you mentioned. Also I wouldn’t have macOS which is far superior as a Unix desktop than windows is and linux on the desktop is a dud, despite having 30 years to get their act together (I was around when gnome was little more than a toolkit wrapper around GTk)

@@piotrd.4850 but I don’t want the max because of the gpu, I want it because of the 64GB of ram. And macOS had much better system resource management than windows or linux. So I run a huge amount of things side by side that a linux or windows machine would crap it’s pants attempting. I’ve tried it, was painful

This is why for myself, I still prefer Apple desktops and laptops with Intel processors which are great for running Mac OS, Windows, and Linux (smile...smile).

@@transitengineer I use bootcamp on external Samsung T5 drive on my iMac 2019 4K

Why not just run windows in parallels or Fusion? Both work here on my M1 and still run windows better than most windows machines.

@@slamcrank …because it’s a Windows ARM Version ….Good luck finding the software you need ….

@@slamcrank I need the Intel version of Windows not ARM

That's not how he said it.

Another advantage apple has it always has the latest TSMC nodes.

Apple do NOT make chips. M1 are not their own chips

I agree, apple controls the who ecosystem in which their chips will be performing which is a huge advantage. I do think they will need more engineers to defect from the competition's camp to theirs to be able to keep up in the future though. I think it will be hard to compete with companies solely focused on speed and efficiency in mind who have been in the chip game for decades.

As soon as there is an M2 Mini with 16/512, I am ordering one. Hopefully they will announce it in the next few weeks (with an expected M1 Pro Mini).

What do you mean? I am genuinely interested

*won't *care, but *chips, so

Couldn’t agree more, I’d finally ditched Chrome in favor of Safari back when Big Sur was rereleased, and actually having functionality on the Touch Bar is amazing, literally if only for the emojis I’d say it’s worth it, I’ll be a sad boy when it comes time to upgrade in a few years

I'm torn between 16 inch and 14 inch and I'm a web developer and designer, I have second monitor tho, I tell to myself If the laptop is just going to sit on my desk most of the time, is it better I get 16 instead of 14 ??

@@ikamy Have you actually visited a store and checked them out? The reason I ask is because when I finally checked them out yesterday, I was surprised that the 16" was not as big as I thought it was going to be. The 14" really reminded me of the old iBook (kinda cute). From a work perspective, I think that 16" is going to help you get more done. I say this as a developer myself, and I have also been looking at these. I'm still asking myself should I get a 16" M1 Pro or a Max? Although the Max costs more, if I get 5 years out of it, it's probably better - then again, the CPU of the Pro and Max are the same, and I don't do video editing. First world problems...

@@japanstation1 Thanks very helpful, I'm a designer using most adobe applications and UX applications, but not gonna use video or crazy 3d, so for me 16 inches m1 pro and 32gb ram and 2tb is way to go, I'm a music producer as well but with those crazy plugins with real-time high demanding performance, I'm pretty sure m1 pro is enough for me

These are exactly the same arguments that made me order the M1 pro 14inch. I find this video basically useless with pointless conclusions, he just bought something that's not built for him, that's all

Have been using Apple computers since 1997, and learned decades ago that, most models (desktops and laptops) are best purchased years after they have been discontinued at much lower used prices (smile...smile).

I am a graphic and multimedia designer, I usually work with design programs such as: photoshop, illustrator, adobe premier and after effects, it is likely that I will also start using blender or cinema 4D, would be fine If I buy a 14” with M1 pro chip, 8-Core CPU, 14-Core GPU, 16GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage?

@@CarlosHernandez.RentaHouse I've been using my M1 Max for about a month now for Blender and Unreal Engine 4. It's been running better than my 2020 iMac with the 10-core intel i9 and Radeon 5700xt 16GB, but I'm also aware there are PCs with superior performance. This is especially the case regarding Lumens and Nanite in UE5. But for basic 3D model work and Eevee rendering in Blender, it's very good. Rendering in Cycles is not as good as a high end PC, but that will change as the Metal API becomes supported by the Cycles render engine in Blender. For strictly 3D art/design like ArchVis, animation and game asset creation, it's good enough, if not the cheapest option. For full stack game development using Unreal Engine, it's not so great, although if you are developing for the MacOS/iOS platforms, it's the best you can get. All that said, I think the M1 architecture is going to keep getting better as more programs continue to adopt it and Apple develops it, but it still has a ways to go before its a 100% PC replacement. I still find myself using my PC quite a bit for certain game dev tasks that the Mac simply refuses to do or can't run as quickly, especially for older projects of mine. I do not have any experience with other software like Cinema4D or Unity, but I've heard good things. I don't regret buying the Mac. I like the potential that the M1 brings to tech, I like the Apple ecosystem. I like that there are very few AAA games for Mac, making it a much less competitive market, and I overall just like the vibe of the Mac. I'm willing to live with the short comings Apple and the new MacBook have and I'm also willing to pay the high price tag. For somebody simply looking for the best machine at the best price to do the work, that person should get a PC unless their workflow requires developing on a Mac for MacOS/iOS. I hope that helps. Feel free to email me or hit me up on Discord if you need anything else. I'm always happy to help anyone trying to make a living in the creative space. It's a tough gig. Discord: The Grey Wizard#4631

I'm lookin at Max 24/32GB/4TB just to have the most room to grow. Overkill, probably, but the possibilities are endless. $1200 premium over the Pro 16/16GB/1-2TB that most people recommend.

Happy now? 😄

@@oamclean Yep... my Studio Max arrives on Friday!

That's a great point, there is no way you can justify the price increase right? the M1 pro is a great machine. And you can pick up the base model new for less than 1000 now. and it will be good for another 4/5 years at least.

@@anthony8890 exactly!! the single core performance is exactly the same so for most basic tasks it’ll feel the exact same for like less than half the price! I do music production and it’s been more than enough atill and maybe 4/5 years down the line if i’ll need something more powerful, i’ll probably get an imac as it’ll still be great with basic tasks for another 4-5 years after that!

@@lukey333 Yes. always get more ram is rule one, But everything else is fine for a long time, and if you run out of memory, get an external ssd. They're super cheap now days. easy...

honestly would be better m1 pro and m1 max be called as m1x and m1z instead

My MacBook Pro M1 pro 16 runs counter strike on the highest setting with ease. Complete beast man

@@bielakbeats Counter-Strike isn't really a demanding title. I mean, I enjoy playing it, but I wouldn't use it as an "look how great games run on macOS" example.

@@AlejandroLZuvic I didn't use it as a "look how great games run on Mac OS" example...... he mentioned that "Apple silicon is still crap for running even basic games smoothly" Counterstrike is considered a basic game.... that runs smoothy lol :)

@@bielakbeats it’s also just compatibility headaches. Windows runs everything without issue and most games run smoothly on my hardware in the 16 pro. 5500m 8gb and 6 core 12 thread intel chip. Sure it’s not a beast, but it’s a workhorse and never really stumbles. New game just came out and I’m traveling. Hey I can install and play it no problem at all. It’s stuff like that. I’ll admit I really love the idea of Apple silicon, and tbh I love tinkering, but for a daily driver - do everything machine, I love my intel Mac for being a Swiss Army knife.

It is so slow... I've used 2019 16-inch top-speck MacBook Pro and oh boy, it is so slow when compiling Xcode projects... M1 (even the basic one) is much much much faster and quite. The difference is real.

I mentioned it elsewhere, but myself (and others, it seems) are getting a little tired of the flip-flopping between “best thing ever!” and “worst mistake ever!” I know it’s just clickbait, but I’m not enjoying this new clickbaity style of your videos at all ☹️

The base Pro is amazing and I have zero regrets because there's nothing cheaper than the base Pro that gives you that display and basic performance and battery life. I just upgraded storage. My mantra is that you should prioritize upgrading the thing you'll notice all of the time (screen size, storage), rather than upgrading something that you might hypothetically notice once in a while (like more GPU cores & more than 16 GB RAM). It's not like paying more gives you better CPU performance, and it's not like paying less gives you a computer that feels stifled. People need to treat buying an M1 Pro a little differently than they would have approached buying decisions with Intel MacBooks.

I got the M1 Max with 32 GPU Cores and 32 GB RAM as a means of (hopefully) longevity, replacing a 2015 MBP, hoping it will last for 5-10 years again.

@@jierenzheng7670 I would make the point that a computer that is better in a way that you don't need doesn't mean that you've future-proofed your computer. An M1 Pro has better battery life and thermals, and for someone who doesn't use those extra 16 GPU cores and encode engines regularly, you might be better off in the next 5-10 years just getting better battery life. There are a lot of people who enjoy powerful CPUs but are happy with midrange graphical performance. I don't think an M1 Max is more future-proof than an M1 Pro, but you should get whatever you want and be cool with it.

Your points about the M1 Standard Pro are why I got one and am very happy with it so far. Not a video-editor. Like the Touch Bar.

I did the same! I got the binned chip, 32gb of ram and a 2TB drive. It's fast enough for the editing and music I do, but saved a bunch of money! Luke, Max Tech, and Linus basically showed that the Max, the Pro and the binned pro doesn't have a massive difference in relation to the price

Nah … if you got 32gb, it’s only a $200-400 upgrade for extra media encoder and 400gb/s bw and extra gpu cores Hardly a bad deal. The only bad deal is if you FOMO and got 32gb just to get the max model. Then yes that’s not a good value prop. (Extra $600-$800) M1max will give you better resale value so evens out at the end

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu i definitely agree there. if you plan on getting m1 pro, just stick with 16gb ram. with m1 max 32gb ram makes lot more sense (hence why apple sells m1 max with 32gb ram as base model).

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu So the upgrade would have been $650 (cad) to go from the binned Pro to the binned Max. I I know that it would be way more useful to have 2TB internally so I upgraded to that instead. (I'm not always in locations I want to be working off an SSD dangling off the side). I would be fine with even just the regular M1 chip, but I know 16 GB of ram would be the bottleneck. You're totally right about the FOMO though. I was like " What if it is miles faster" and it really is for encoding video, but since my videos are like 2min to 10 min, the difference is ok for me. Wayyyyyy better than my old Intel i5 at any rate lol

@@SeanRosairo if you need 2TB you need 2TB. Shouldn’t conflate storage with compute and gpu upgrade decision

I also did "future proofing" with my 2019 16" 64GB/1TB Intel MBP. Never making that mistake again.

@@arvinsim Yep. Biggest problem with the approach is you’re buying today’s tech at today’s prices for tomorrow’s (hypothetical) needs. Tech always gets cheaper, so why would one ever buy ahead? Makes no sense. Example - 16GB upgrade is $400 today; what do you think that’ll cost in 2-3 years when you project actually needing it? $200? $100? $0 (included with base config)? Plus, bolting an extra 16GB to a 3 year old CPU+GPU for a premium makes no sense. This is all before one even considers inflation. That’s just insult added to injury. Buy for today and put the “future-proofing” money towards your next machine in 2-3 years. Works a lot better since you’ll be getting newer hardware sooner and spending inflated 2025 dollars on it instead of 2022 dollars.

Well, they certainly delivered with the desktop Adler Lake skus. I have a new PC with a i9-12900K and it's shocking how much faster it is than my 2-year old iMac with a i9-10910. I don't have much doubt their mobile SKUs will deliver accordingly. It's really amazing how far Intel has come in 20-mos.

@@williamscott850 the main problem with alder lake isn’t really the performance but the thermals, I’m not sure it’s going to be great on a laptop but I hope I’m wrong

@@liamsz well, comparing a brand new desktop with a two year old laptop, I think I would be "shocked" too...

@@williamscott850 It's much easier to deliver on a desktop when you don't have to worry about power and battery that much.

and if they can deliver on performance, what will the power consumption and overheating be like?

Yep

Plus it’s not even fully optimized yet. It’s only the first alpha build

According to MAX Tech, the latest Blender alpha build with metal and GPU rendering support is much slower than Nvidia cards, with 3080 in Razer Blade 15 being 3-4 times faster than M1 Max ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Is1OhhitakM.html

Luke is off here. 5:30 in and all i hear is stretching video time with stuff we already know, to make me i watch till the end. He bought them all for his channel. Not like he serious going to use them. So this review is not from a real user. And we knew that upfront because he is not doing real heavy video/animation/music stuff. So why you need all those features in the first place? And it's not only the gpu. It's the extra cores and the extra memory. Which he doesn't need.

@@wail3 actually if you watch the video he points out that it’s only the first alpha build so it can be further optimized. Also the 3080 is on par with the M1 Max for the most part. Only with the raytracing acceleration did the gap widen. But keep in mind the M2 Max will be 50% faster in gpu performance.

On PC you cannot buy better mashine for that money (for video editing).

I too am leaning towards a 14 with the 10/16 M1 Pro, 16GB RAM, and 512GB SSD. As a Travel Photographer, I need powerful portability to edit all my Photos while I'm on the go. I had thoughts of upgrading to a 1TB SSD, but I'll be storing all my edited Photos externally regardless.

@@rachel_c4558 Don’t even think about 512gb. 1tb is way to go believe me, also version with 1tb is actually faster (ssd is faster) you can check that on yt. I had 3 projects working at the same time directly on internal ssd and after that I stored files on hdd, you won’t need any external drives (external drives slows down these macs) and if you are on the move don’t think about 512, only 1tb and above. Cheers

@@rachel_c4558 I've had mine for 10 months now. It eats everything I throw at it. I highly recommend getting 1TB though. I also edit externally on drives but 512 fills up fast.

@@shaunaaron so here's an Update: I finally pulled the trigger on a Refurbished 2021 14in 10/16 M1 Pro, 16 GB RAM, and the 1TB SSD. No regrets whatsoever and the size and screen resolution feels right for me for future travel endeavors.

Yeah, performance on battery is a big question for them

@@Lacrom23 yeah because they don’t have 5nm chips like Apple. Apple and Qualcomm have basically saturated all the 5nm chip production from TSMC intel is still at 10nm, Nvidia 8nm….. hopefully intel and Samsung and tsmc will expand their production to make more 5/4nm chips in the future.

@@alanmay7929 Intel’s 10 nm is denser than TSMC’s 7 nm

@@saileshrachapudi8486 nope it’s barely close to AMD/tsmc old 7nm chip node. Btw apppeamd Qualcomm are already using tsmc revised 5nm node.

@@alanmay7929 Not everything is because of Node Alan, ARM and x86 are fundamentally different

I agree with you entirely. Luke can do better than this.

All the considerations and evaluations you've shared in your comment make 100% sense to me. At the moment I don't require anywhere near the power provided by the MacBook Pro with an M1 Max. However, I am ready for an overhaul upgrade, having done all my music, light video editing, using a MacPro 3,1 and MacBook Pro late 2011 (recently met its demise). After much contemplation, my most sensible and practical course could be to have 2 laptops (1 being a MacBook Air for the silent operation recording voiceover), and after I get settled into new accommodation, a 4k monitor. While the money you spent/invested is a fair chunk of change, it's very reasonable considering what you are now able to accomplish - at whatever time, ANYWHERE. As you put it: "... the idea I can take my high-performance editing computer on the road with me without compromising specs is AMAZING and well worth the $4100 price point."

@@WorldvsTruth I really don't think you need two laptops if one is a MacBook Pro. the fans almost never speed up, especially with audio. You either need to be exporting or REALLY pushing some super graphics elements to get them to go. And even then, they're not that loud. Recording VO should be no problem. You'd be better saving the money on a M1 MacBook Air and getting a higher end computer or peripherals.

Best reply ever. All amazing points.

Modularity LOL ProArt with Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB | 2TB | RTX 3070 | 120HZ | 100% P3 | Full size SD Express 7 | upgradable RAM/SSD, HDMI 2.1 | 2 USB C | 2 USB A for 2399$. Much better value.

as full time investor myself, I have to say that most finance people do use iPhones and Macs.

Exactly the problem for me! I had to return it because the display was bad for my eyes: causing eye pain and headaches. I really wanted to keep it, since otherwise it is a perfect laptop. I tried various ways to mitigate this, such as using Max brightness and changing white point instead to control brightness. This way I had less eye pain, but battery only lasted 2 hours this way… So the root cause is PWM dimming. This is the worst laptop display I ever used.

What? I am also sensitive to screen flickering but I didn't see any flicker in my M1 iPad Pro 12.9 mini LED. If the 14 and 16 MBP really have flickering, that will be a big problem to me.

@@waynecake5867 if you are good with that display i bet youll be good with the MBP. i couldn't manage it but I imagine that the displays are probably similar

That’s more like it. I heard 3 minutes and thought “that’s extremely wrong”. Sigh...if someone is going to use stats to prove a point then they should make sure the information they are providing is not incredibly wrong.

@@robertsondunn Stil 4 times as long as the 10seconds result from RTX.

@@arvinsim I agree with you and most of Luke’s points. I just think he needs to be a bit more thorough when citing stats to prove his point. He should have known better. He’s using alpha software to prove his point and he didn’t even have the settings right. 3 minutes is not 40 seconds. I’ve got an M1 13” MBP and do most my everyday stuff on it. However, If I’m gaming or rendering something(in blender) I am doing it on my windows desktop with my trusty gtx 1080. Not the most modern setup, but still blows the doors off my laptop.

have purchased the max 32gb 32gpu specifically for learning blender. I can still return it for a refund, but I think it’s the best choice for me. Mainly due to fan noise and full power on battery. Blenders full version for apple silicone is coming out in march, and I recon it will complete with the noisy computers (while they are plugged in) they might even out class them when on battery power

See my comment above

Apple wasn't in the game in the old days. 😂

@@asianstud7 the power pc days,yeah they were not comptition those day due power consumption and per