I Skate Antirocker. What is the Best Flat Setup to Try? // Aggressive Inline Skating 

I cut my teeth on '98 K2 Backyard Bob's stock flat setup. I only switched to anti-rockers because I didn't know what those little hexagon things were in the blade hole where the wheel axel goes through. The fat side down raises the wheel and vise versa. I unwittingly put the fat part to the top. It causes the skate to rock, because the middle wheels were lower than the outside.

If you remember Realm wheels and how good they were, yousa tru OG.

You are rad man! Just getting back into skating at 40. I am old.

I remember making my own groove over months and using grind blocks. I ordered a pair of razors cult coppers after 20 years... Im really excited, but also curious how grinds will feel in newer skates. My last pair were oxygens AR. 🤠

Man this episode takes me back! I started with the rollerblade brand skates you showed at the beginning, I think I just swapped the wheels out for an anti-rocker, then to K2’s, then the Roces at the end. I’m really wanting to get back into to blading at almost 40!

anti rocker was a thing way way before juice blocks, anti rock was huge because of the frames not being wide enough in the middle. but then in the late ninety's they invented frames where you could move your middle wheels out. so then flat became popular because you could run flat and still grind well. then came freestyle frames and juice blocks. in 2001 when i stop skating because of school i had been running anti rocker for 5 years by then and juice block and freestyle frames weren't invented yet.

Rounded profile for flat is a good mix between square and bullet

GC Megas are the best flat frame I’ve skated. Riding 64flat and love it

My rule of thumb was 54-56mm as soft as i could find

So, I started around 2009-2010, and I seem to remember those Kizer Elements being an option from day 1 for me. They were so far ahead of the curve, especially with the release date. I don't remember anyone riding the Rollerblade Switch frame flat, pretty sure it was a 2012 release. The biggest thing with those frames was, in conjunction with the Rollerblade Solo boot design and having two separate soul plates, you could ride 72 mm on the outside with antirocker, while the frame felt lower. A lot of companies changed up their soul design afterwards to have that little groove for a taller wheel afterwards. I am sure some people skated the switch frame flat, but I know a lot of people were excited about 72 mm outside wheels. I actually cut some of the plastic on some Xsjado Mook frames and some grooves in my Razors Genesys souls with a bench grinder trying to emulate that feel; think I got up to fitting 68 mm wheels in those mooks (now the Kizer type X frame, same mold). Sorry, I'm one of those freestyle until I die and still ride freestyle. I just have short enough feet that having only two wheels doesn't affect my turning as much as other folks, so the payoff isn't as great for me with flat. I do remember trying two different flat setups though: rode the Kaltik frames when they first released as I just had to try that wheelbite protection. Great frames, just such a weird groove on ledges/curves. My first "aggressive" skates were some Roces 62 Impalas, which came flat and were horribly out of date when I started riding (those boots had to have been around 10 years old). But, with no shops around and no one to explain the differences between skates to me, I just searched for the cheapest "aggressive" skate I could find and happened on a pair of those things used. When I finally moved on to modern boots, it was SUCH an upgrade haha.

Awesome info 🔥💪

Getting back in blades after 10 years going with usd aeon 72 mm

the kaiser element is a thing of beauty imho

Aaah, those darn UFS bolts... now who decided to put them there? :P

thanks god i bought my flat USDs a long time ago :)

I feel like we should just introduce usf2 where the screws are further outside. Usf ruins everything.

I've never skated them, but the first time I saw freestyle frames I thought "That's the frame I want" I always thought of anti-rockers as a kludge until we go something like freestyle frames. I find it weird that they're not more popular.

Kizer elements were and still are amazing frames. I still ride my original pair today. They are a bit hefty, but on a pair of carbons they don’t really feel much different than anything else I used to skate. I wish they still made them!

I want those kizer frames... So sick

Good Watch! can you go Anti-rocker on the Aeon 60's? or even juice blocks? its probably unnecessary but is it possible?

nothing comes flat today because its cheaper to put 4 normal wheels and 2 piece of crap plastic antis in the middle. i remember a day when you bought a pro model skate it came with the pro model wheels not just generic throw away wheels.

Should review Rollerblade TRS and if they have gotten better since my first pair of aggressive Downtown II Skates

I think the first specialty flat frames I remember where ABLE

My main question, and the most important one to ask.... how the eff does Oysi sound like Wish?

I just got m12s after 10 years off. I had the Salomon feinburg pros. Don’t know if I should take my anti rockers out I used to always skate flat🤷🏻‍♂️

I guess I dont see the point of antirocker...if the wheels serve no purpose why have them? Some done even have bearings or roll at all. Might as well go freestyle. Haven't skated in years and only know flats but want to get new frames and try freestyle...or would antirocker be better to get back into the sport? Love the vids

Do you have any plans on getting the king souls for those Salomons? Btw you need to up your pasta game :)

What are the grey pair called to your left??

Surprised you didn't mention the good old Able frames in there somewhere. Back in the early to mid 2000's those had an H-block shaped more like a triangle and gave wheel bite protection for a flat setup. Would be cool if someone kept on making that design. I think it had the perception of being too heavy if I remember right but such a good frame. Tory Treseder had them on his pro Rollerblade models. I always thought it was weird Salomon never put them on the pro Vinny Minton skates, none of their pro models actually ever had their riders' frames :/ . Now people I see talking about how great Salomon was but back in those days I can remember having the ST80s and basically everyone agreed at that time Salomon's were not that great and a lot of people hated the frames, you had to mod the boots to have grind space, people hated the widebody on them. Able basically disappeared soon after they released their freestyle frames and Kizer was starting to come out with tons of different stuff like the M-type and Suspension frame.

Oysi frame just need to match with more cheating boot. The boot plays a biggest role, especially topsides. Boot with higher cuffs, stiiff cuffs and small soulplate, less wing soleplates is required more effort to topsides espeically aging people like us

I just got some dt4s off ebay, is there spose to be anything under the liner apart from the skate plastic? they are a size to big as it is

What is the best frame/wheel setup if you only skate halfpipe and quarterpipe? Pls help

damn, Cosmo made great wheels

Wait...did you say you own 50/50?

Kizer Slimline are an awfully designed flat frame. Adapt Symetrics are the best flat frames ever made.

Ilove skate bat idont have enough money to buy 😂😂

Them skates are flat Sir. Also, adapt…

I started blading in 1995 I used Lightning’s first, then the TRS model and finally the Tarmacs . I first started aggressive using fattys (wheels not the K2) they came out with a few aggressive wheels by late 1996. Lightning’s are still my favorite skates. I’m 42 now and just ordered myself a pair of gawds Prado boots. I used to ride flat then anti rocker when I moved to the first xsjados for a brief moment in 2002. I prefer having 4 wheels for more control leading up to the grind if that makes sense. I’m getting my old out of shape butt back into rollerblading. Wish me luck.

I remember when the K2 Fatty came out. I was so jealous because I was stuck with my Lightning TRS.

I remember the TRS & some guys in Huntington Beach CA adding a metal piece in the middle & sliding down the rail to the beach trail. It was the coolest thing I had ever seen & everyone was so excited & hyped up about it. I been skating a very long time......

Enjoyed your encyclopedia of grind setups! Started a clip series, but my jaw dropped after I saw how much insight you have on skates. Great channel and I can sense the passion in you for this sport ;)!

Worn down wheels were the first anti rocker. When it came time for new wheels rarely could you afford two sets of 4 wheels.

Awesome video, I just got a pair of oysi frames and im stoked!

oysi frame is the best.. testing on my 5th elements and it's crazy

Are you at a shop?

I skate Kaltik 60mm attached to a Sway 3 boot. It's a super comfy ride. The groove in it is huge but fantastic wheel bite protection. Not too great for rough pavement, feel all the vibrations.

What's the size on the wheels on those Element Harmanus frames you got there?

Your videos are amazing... thank you for boosting my blade knowledge to the highest point 😯👊👊

Cut off the Aeon frame 😋 or 50/50 balance frame 2019 😉 but with a bit more wheel bite protection. Would be sick

Most of the guys that seriously throw down in videos are skating anti rocker it looks like, like Broskow. Maybe they got both. I do it's really not that expensive to have both frames. Plus once those flat frames get worn if you skate street ledges. You're going to have to make those anti rocker or get new flats. That's what I did I just turned my worn out old flat frame into an anti rocker set up.

Got the itch to get back into blading after 15 years and found you but was that a quit ill clip of you in VG17 befor rob g part?

Bro I don't even know how I was grinding a flat setup on 5th elements when I was a kid haha.

The reason the Slimline are awful is (at least the version 1) has a really wide and shallow groove, with a big split. The shallowness and lack of wheel coverage promotes wheel bite. I use to skate the non-UFS 50/50 flat on the Julio Thrones and they were great. The Adapt Symetric wheel spacing and groove remind me of the old non-UFS 50/50’s, but are definitely a step up. Even wheel spacing, so that you actually get the real feel of flat skating, with no wheel bite! The frame wall thickness and angles of the groove are so dialed in on the Symetrics. You owe it to yourself to give them a try!!!

Just got my 50/50 wheels a few days ago. Excited to ride them flat in my Kaltik flat stealth frames!

Been waiting for this vid for a while! Thank you!

Bought razor sl after 20 years. Hate skating anti rocker. No speed or control. Never had issue with wheel bite. I do Royale mostly. What frame would you recommend. Want more speed but have grind.

usd realm had a flat set up

Before I stop I was skate Chaz sand with wideboys on both sides I think that was about 2003 to 2004

I'm building some Frederick throne right now. Don't feel obligated to say yes. Would you like the usd frames off them? Left frames sole has been cut off for a prior Frankenstein build. They have roces grind plates on them. If you would like them let me know. Like I said don't feel obligated to take my old shit.

Have any races flat setups for freeskate?

Firstly, those Kizer elements look absolutely gorgeous! I’m quite fond of a loud yet classy design for my blades, not saying a good old fashion stealth (all black) is bad mind you. Gold and white, mmm mmm! To add to your video, as a person who rode Kaltik v1 flats, they are great. Although at the time I was using them I was but very very new I can appreciate their design. It allows for a 60 across the board. By my guess, they were really designed for coping and rails as the h-block is very deep thus when you lock that coping you are really locked solid. Take my word with a grain of salt as this is my retrospective look at it and at that point, once again, I could hardly even lock a soul grind. They are lighter than the GC formula1 as well. As for your wondering of a bullet profile, UC Werbeski’s are 59 bullets.

The kaltik flat frames do not have wheel bite protection your wheels catch all the time the groove is way too deep if it wasn’t that deep it would help the performance of the skate a lot more