In fairness, Killer Mike apologized for his interview immediately after it was published. He said the NRA choosing to edit the footage and hold the release off until the protest was "very unfair" to the youth standing up and making their voices heard.
@@logan_nowicki Except Obama is a war criminal so I doubt Fantano actually likes him that much. Conservatives in America actually don't need to bother voting because they get their way either way. Just because Obama supports gay marriage doesn't mean he isn't a war criminal lol
Trump further increased drone strikes though somehow so he's not any better. Also he is now deploying the military in the streets of the US so that's not really comparable to anything Obama did.
@@yt8co DAMN is one of my favorite albums of all time. I love it so much and I think it’s fucking wonderful. I can’t even begin to understand why someone wouldn’t like DAMN.
@@jayinthekut8389because it's mid and Kendrick has proved before and after DAMN that he can do better. If you've ever heard GKMC or TPAB you know what full effort sounds like, and to me, DAMN sounds really half assed with just a couple of good songs
@@yt8coagree. Loyalty is boring, God is just a laughably bad song, Pride is overrated, I can't remember a single thing about Lust, Love is trying so hard to get a mainstream hit and it just sounds cheesy, Humble is overplayed, Yah sounds like a reference track, Element is just ok, Blood is just ok, XXX is really good, Fear is really good, DNA is really good but distorted, Feel is amazing, and Duckworth is near perfect.
As someone who's living in Germany (where getting a gun is quite difficult) this "every child & teacher should own a gun to stop school shootings" argument seems so fucking absurd. Regarding mass shootings a german stand up comedian made the joke "we aren't smarter than the americans. We're just unarmed."
Also in Italy, it's uncommon to own a fire gun (talking about a simple handgun or even more uncommon a large rifle), usually the ones having those are mafiosi whith unregistered ones, cops with their license gun or sport hunters with small caliber old shotguns. By the American mentality, we could defeat mafia organizations if every honest citizen has something to defeat themselves with, the problem is that this argument is so mental and wouldn't work on so many levels that has never been brought up in any discussion
Regardless of the ethical concerns, arming kids and teachers isn't solving the problem here, in fact it's the exact opposite. The problem is that there are kids getting ahold of weapons and then causing mass shootings. Why the fuck should the solution be to arm MORE kids? Jesus Christ.
The OP never said that his opinions are not his own. Maybe before you act other people are jumping to conclusions, you might not want to jump to conclusions yourself....
Dejion Jon He implied that he was a lackey for the NRA. It's not jumping to conclusions, it's using reasoning skills. Or am I to believe that this comment had no intention of castigsting the man in the video, and the OP didn't mean what he clearly implied? At least be honest when someone's ignorance is being pointed out.
spitxfire99 Killer Mike can express his real opinions but still be used by the NRA as a lackey to push their agenda and propaganda. Killer Mike obviously believes what he says, but appearing on the NRA to express them gives the lobbyist group exactly what it wants in the form of a black spokesperson. The NRA has repeatedly been accused of being racist, and Killer Mike doing this spot gives them an excuse to counter that.
El-P has said on Cam he does not see eye to eye w Mike on the gun issue. This was before the NRA bit. Likley more so now... "Thank god for the Drugs and Drums, Tell history I'll be rite here hiding from GUNS" El-P
How did this title not age well? Cause he reviews his music positively? I'm sure Anthony would make the same video if Killer Mike did the interview this year.
Fair play Fantano for using your platform to talk about serious issues as well as music. Very few music reviewers would have the balls to tackle this kind of territory, and I thought your perspectives were well-balanced and well-argued throughout
@@thisismyname5657 yeah, Karl Marx literally believed that the proletariat should have gun rights in order to overthrow the Upperclass and take part in a worldwide revolution. The whole “trust the government” argument that Anthony has is the same reason the USA can spy on its citizens through the Patriot Act.
His argument that black people or blm shouldn't help other movements because they aren't always there for us, is extremely narrow minded. We all, black or white, don't want any children to be killed in a school. Just because we follow one movement, doesn't mean we can't follow and support other movements as well. Black people aren't a monolith, we have opinions on political matters that isn't just limited to race.
@lucatme no man i think Russia is just the new bogeyman being pushed by the US to try to bring everyone back together. Just like they're doing the same with North Korea
RTJ played a concert in my hometown a few months ago, and when we were outside standing in line there was a street preacher for some local hate group across the street shouting some homophobic, fear God type stuff. He had a really young kid with him, maybe 6-8 years old. This group shows up to a lot of the larger local events, but are generally ignored by most people. Before the show started, Killer Mike came out and talked about the social issues that he advocates for. He mentioned the preacher, and started ridiculing him for implanting his ideas into his child's mind. So yeah, his point about his own children is pretty hypocritical.
@@sdyvii7542 The only thing that solves problems worse than thoughts and prayers is both disarming the public and stripping down their police force to nothing.
What frustrates me about the moral panic over mass shootings is that it's odd that there's so much attention directed towards regulating assault rifle ownership when assault rifles account for a discrete minority of gun deaths. Firearm deaths are overwhelmingly associated with handguns and the nation doesn't really seem to care that much about handgun related deaths that happen daily (it does seem that banning handguns is politically inconceivable). Additionally, and more importantly, the majority of Americans seem completely unnerved by police violence. According to the Police Violence Report, 640 of the 1,147 people killed by police in 2017 happened when police were responding to non-violent offenses. To put this in perspective, the Washington Post reported that there were 302 assault weapon related deaths from 2004-2014. So in the span of 10 years, assault weapon related deaths didn't even amount to half of the deaths caused by police responding last year to non-violent offenses. Despite this massive disparity, we need to "march for our lives" and address the assault rifle problem. It appears though that Hobbes is still right: the State has a monopoly on violence.
Yeah, but if you choose not to frame a false dichotomy and throw in an unnecessary Hobbes quote, you can want less police violence *and* want common sense regulations such as universal background checks (for violent offenses), the banning of bump stocks and the regulation of assault weapons (which would absolutely shift the Overton window valuably away from the violent conservative gun culture that contributes to the handgun deaths too) I get not liking the police and I agree that state violence is veiled by ideology and discourse to the point of being ignored, but that’s literally just a separate issue. unless of course you’re wanting those weapons for the ridiculous idea of an armed violent uprising (good luck shooting down a predator drone with your m-16)
Keep repeating lies and eventually everyone who never knew better will believe it. More people are beaten to death every year than killed with anything resembling an assault rifle.
@@caman225 bump stocks don’t really do anything, I could achieve the same thing by hip firing an AR-15. Guns serve a pretty good purpose of ensuring that a government can’t become an authoritarian regime (unfortunately nearly every government including the USA infringes on the rights of others including that of privacy by spying on the citizens.) Also fuck the NRA, they don’t give a fuck about gun ownership and ensuring that citizens have the ability to overthrow a garbage system, they care about getting money from dumbass conservatives. They clearly don’t care about the people retaining their rights.
18:48... "Nobody is advocating banning of all guns". I think the thing that really strikes a nerve in this movement is the reintroduction of the 1994 assault weapon ban and ban on high capacity magazines.. the other thing is background check on *all* gun sales, touches on something they worry about, which is registration. Right now you need to have a background check when you buy from any gun stores, that already happens, but what doesn't happen is when you buy second hand from another individual, essentially rendering the first background check pointless. To be able to keep track of individual gun sales, you have to register everything, all of these are mechanics put in place that will aid the eventual wittering of gun ownership, should that be the goal of a future government. I'm not a gun owner, but those are just facts of this situation, so if you put yourself in the shoe of someone who doesn't want that to change, then this march is threatening to their interest. 22:39... I think linking this march to inner city school issues is a huge red herring, neither "assault weapons" or "background checks" or magazine capacity, or even federal age minimum for ownership, has anything to do with "bullets whizzing past them", as all of those guns are illegally obtained, and majority of them are handguns. So it's not untrue to say that this march ignores those kids, because none of the proposed solution has anything to do with improving that, and statistically, homicides between gangs make up for largest percentage of gun deaths after suicide, again, mostly by handguns, none of the proposed bans targets suicide deaths, or gang violence, so it isn't a "lie".. it is however a poorly made point that's a bit of a distraction. 23:20... "You don't trust the government, but you trust the NRA".. I'm going to guess Killer Mike is a member of the NRA, many gun owners are from my understanding, so this is the US's version of democracy in action, he's siding with a civilian funded organisation to sway policies in their favour, whether or not you think that's corrupt is a whole different topic, but it's how it currently works isn't it? That's why lobbies and interest group exist right?
Here's the real reason why the Parkland shooting happened: the FBI failed to do its job after several public red flags, and the Broward County Police Department, after being called to the shooter's house THIRTY-NINE TIMES, did nothing and, while the shooting was happening, stood OUTSIDE and did nothing. These are the authorities citizens are supposed to hand over their weapons to?
But how is the kid supposed to commit a mass shooting if he can't get a gun? I don't know if you've ever illegally bought a gun but the black market don't take kindly to spotty losers asking for military grade weapons
Thank you from the bottom of my heart, that rant about telling your kids they can't come back home if they do something they politically disagree with. As a kid who was told many confusing and harsh things growing up, it's so true. NEVER even as a joke say that to your kids. So fucked up to hear that as a kid.
@@Oneday-bw8gu the SRA, it's an association opposite to the NRA. It's for the arming of socialists to "protect" against a "potential" tyrannical government. They are a really good origination, all socialists should be armed.
"I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. ... I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses." - Karl Frederick, NRA President in 1934. You can't make this up people. The NRA is a organization that lost its way and is all about money and profit. The profit margins get a little thin if more restrictions were put in place. But whatever, I already know how this is going to play out. How you ask? Because this type of situation happened before and it was called the civil war.
Juan Holladay He would be a great dad. This world is so shit so I hope he doesn’t have any, but if he does, they’ll be actual individuals and not consumers/debt slaves.
Anthony already has a family of 7 children who he picks up from the daycare walking uphill in the snow. Of course he dishes out great parenting advice like this
Eddie Fengya who cares. This you tube comment thing is retarded. What makes you think the world cares what you think. Also why cant you wait until morning to watch a video? Patience is a virtue.
i'm from the UK. the first and last school shooting we had was the Dunblane massacre. as a result of it, we banned handguns (excluding Northern Ireland) but we're still allowed to own shotguns and sporting rifles for hunting and protection; as long as we're licensed and background checked. this includes a mental health check. a police visit is also set in place for our homes, to see if things are secure, to see where the gun is stored etc. we haven't had a school shooting in 22 years. there are things more important than money, for example: THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN! and as much as i'd like to, what can i do about the fact you can purchase assault rifles and other weapons of mass destruction in America? i'm not even a citizen there. it pains me to see school shootings are so common. it's not just a mental health problem. it's a gun control problem.
I knew the comment section would be a shit show but very shocked and saddened to see how many people are still fighting against proper gun control. How could somebody possibly believe guns are for everybody regardless of their history of violence / mental afflictions / etc? Like what? There is objectively zero logic in that line of thinking.
I disagree with killer mike too bit his recent IG post clears it up a lot. He said the NRA clipped the interview and used his words to go against a movement (like the childrens march) that he supports.
to your point around 15:00, parents sometimes (wrongly IMO) see their kids as a representation of themselves, and therefore cannot handle it when they feel they are "represented" poorly
You heard it hear first ladies and gents, Killer Mike is going to overthrow the tyrannical government's tanks and a-bombs and economic slavery with nothing other than his assault rifle.
People should stop talking about Australia and look to Switzerland. One of the most armed countries yet the safest. Because getting a gun is a long drawn out process that requires a ton of interviews, checks with friends and families, age limits, licenses, entry into a database, etc.
They can look at Australia. But they should actually look at stuff that doesn't just confirm their biases. For example, their murder rate, despite the measures they've taken to decrease gun ownership, has stayed essentially the same. Just because people aren't dying by gun murders, doesn't mean people are no longer being murdered at all. The tools have just changed.
Ali Fazel if you need to gut people's rights to feel safe fuck right off. These aren't even machineguns you fucking brainlet. I have a fire extinguisher just in case, I have a gun, *just in case* don't try to paint people who are prepared as obsessed paranoids, because that's idiotic.
1791L went on some bumbling rant trying to loosely compare Noam Chomsky and mista melon because, oh gee they don't really agree with Jordan Peterson about much of anything and snowflake rightwingers cant stand that. Look- JP is cool, but he's said some really stupid shit before. Just accept it and grow a pair.
but I gotta say- negative publicity is good publicity, and correlating one of the greatest linguists of modern history to melon is *great* publicity for melon!
hefftatious lol jordan peterson would run as a libersl if he were to run for office. Melon didnt just disagree he outright dusreguarded everything that he says as a troll. The man is a hyperbolic buffoon.
BROKE: Enforcing existing laws which would have prevented the shooting. WOKE: Adding new unspecified laws to the books because "it's time to do something".
@@LinkMcStink nobody answers this question because, (with a few select exceptions) most gun restrictions would be either be OVERALL (self defense weaponry) lives lost, high cost (fish and game, gun tax, gun permit tax), or low effectiveness in death prevention, along with militia damage. These laws can also hurt gun manufacturing jobs
In 1996 after Australia banned guns a few years later there gun deaths went up past what it was after the gun elimination, and yes crime all over the world had been going down.
@Zhauque Lefaux He pointed to Australia for "possible solutions for common sense gun reform". Their solution was confiscation. Gtfo of here with your lyin ass.
Fantano, at the end of the day, do you think guns should be taken away from the people? I'm sure you will state you position indirectly at some point in this video, but if you could respond that would mean the most!
I agree with most of what you say but there are absolutely people saying lets get rid of "semi automatic weapons" which is a handgun. So there is some language people are either confused about or truly want to take away, essentially, all guns. Thoughts on this? Cause I don't know much about guns but I feel the whole truth isn't being told on both sides here.
Jamie Miller A lot of legislators in favor of gun control lack some of the most basic knowledge regarding firearms. So while their intentions might be clear (i.e. banning guns or certain gun mods), the execution of that into law is sloppy, which only serves to harm the effort in the first place. If their intention was to ban all guns, they wouldn’t have even bothered with more technical language, so there’s definitely some confusion there because most privately-owned guns are semi-automatic, since there are HUGE limits on owning automatic firearms.
Honestly, people wanting to ban handguns makes massively more sense than people wanting to ban AR15s or similar rifles. The key difference between America and everywhere else is not the availability of long barrelled weapons, its the availability of concealable weapons. The AR15 shows up a lot in mass shootings, but far more gun deaths including suicides are with handguns.
they dont understand guns, nor want to. Look at CNN on the "attachment" assault rifles can have which included a fucking chainsaw. They just want to stir up people for a political/ratings frenzy which is good for business if your the media. It's not hard to look into the stats and information around these issues to get a more nuianced opinion but again that's not useful.
Marcus Kintz yeah I don't think I'm going to watch all the way through but 90% of the people who say "I'm not against the second amendment" have a "but..." in their mind (and often end up saying it).
2nd amendment shall NOT be infringed (by anyone)!!! The solution would be to have court like security, when has a court or stadium had a mass shooting? And I’m sure guards have guns on them
In an interview that made me discover him, a few years back, Killer Mike said he was against guns but were going to have one as long as it was possible or legal. Of course he Said this in a much smarter way, because he is Killer Mike. I wonder what made him change his stance.
I can see were he is coming from.wanting to be able to protect his family and not knowing how far the gun regulations could go. But his comment saying the whole "if you walk out of the school you walk out of my house" was very uncalled for. I also understand him not wanting his children to mindlessly join in on a protest because nowa days they are just used by politicians as PR stunts and by companies to sell stuff to hipsters (that whole pepsi thing).but to prohibit them entirely is also pretty fucked up. Idk i support mike but i respectfully dissagree with his opinions here. Kinda dissapionted realy:(
3:56 We know that legislation on guns does not fucking work to decrease gun deaths. It wouldn’t have done anything to help the parkland situation because the laws in place weren’t enforced. The department there had been notified an unbelievable amount about this kid, but refused to do anything.
1. Thoughts and prayers aren't a substitute for political action, no one should be shamed for expressing sympathy. 2. Australia's crime rate was already at a decrease at the time of the mandatory gun buy-back. Also it's definitely unconstitutional so I don't know why you'd suggest we look at what "other countries are doing" aka ban guns. 3. The NRA didn't financially incentivize Killer Mike to have his opinion on guns, it's clear he's already had it before and was possibly the reason they had him come on ?? He even said that he doesn't agree with everything the NRA spokeswoman says.
Jacqueline Kates I'm so sick of people mocking "thoughts & prayers" only to turn around and change their Facebook profile to the flag of whatever country or minority group that's attacked the EXACT SAME WAY.
He’s not talking about the countries that have banned guns, dipshit. He litterally says he doesn’t support that several times in the video. You should get put down
Australia is a great example of gun control working. Pointing that out doesn’t mean you agree with the extent of the gun control implemented. Especially not when you specifically say you disagree with it
Seriously i dont think anyone in the world Cares if the warmonger nation shoots itselve down in their country 🙄😅 So yeah... So what you want but do not cry over the loss then 🤷
He says in the 1st track on Run The Jewels 3 track "Joy" "One time for the freedom of speech,one time for the right to hold heat" so what do you expect.No country in the world has the culture and numbers of guns than the U.S has.You can not compare Australia or any other country to the U.S.
On the topic of gun violence in Chicago, DC, New York, etc. Know what all those cities have in common? Super strict gun laws. Like, draconian, ridiculously difficult to get guns in levels of strict.
I think another important conversation to have is about the media surrounding mass shootings. Making shooters into celebrities and creating mass hysteria. Not to mention making any reasonable conversations about control nigh on impossible due to the emotional frenzy people remian in for a couple of monts after the fact.
Every major cultural problem in the United States can easily be traced back to the media, but no one, regardless of political alignment, ever wants to acknowledge it. It's not even the elephant in the room anymore, it's the room itself.
The U.S. is still worse than the UK. People that think all gun-related violence will stop if you have strict gun control should be put down so they can’t pass on their genes to another generation of retards
Great video! I agree with you on some points and disagree with you on others, but I love that you shared your raw, unedited opinion. Takes a lot for somebody with a following of your size to do.
spacefucker genuinely it is as if Americans don’t know how to talk without misrepresenting fucking everybody. Worst country in the world by a country mile Edit: yhyh u lot are right I was a bit over the top with that. But I do think it is the worst in terms of expectation, as in, it has no right to be this piss poor considering it is a democratized Western superpower that was once the foremost economic world powerhouse.
Tarzanitard not the worst, but America has definitely gone down hill, people are being more sensitive and PC, America is like a dog chasing its own tail when it comes to certain issues, topics like this is just sake for conversation, people can’t do shit when everyone is just yelling at each other and complain, the power is in the head of the government and it’s for the people who can actually make a difference to speak up and make a change. But they won’t do that because they know it’s pointless, guns are weapons, you can make a weapon out of a toothbrush, so if you wanna ban a gun ban anything that can used a weapon, good luck with that. People are responsible for their actions, guns shouldn’t be banned just because some people kill other people, something that’s been happening for thousands of years, and since were in a state of peace this shit is gonna happen, tbh I hate the country right now, it’s like a melting pot of retards and media. I know there were a lot of random points but I just wanted to get some stuff off my chest
Tee Juke can you be any stupider? comparing the killing power of a gun to a toothbrush. ugh. the only arguments people who oppose gun control can come up with are absurd strawmans
"We don't want to take your guns, we just want to restrict what firearms you're allowed to own and throw you in prison if you disagree." Shall not be infringed.
5:40 That's interesting. There have been metal detectors in inner city schools in Detroit since the 1980s. I am not going to suggest Detroit schools were great as a result of metal detectors, but I can tell you there were never any mass shootings. Why not just install metal detectors across the board in schools? No infringement of the second amendment and there will be NO GUNS in the schools which would prevent mass shootings.
Gun Control isn't infringing on any rights. If it is, then our rights have been infringed for a long time, because people can't legally own things like Gatling Guns and RPG-7's
@@watchmewhipbruh1095 You have a gross misunderstanding of mental illness. Here's the facts. According to the American Psychiatric Association, "It is important to note that the overwhelming majority of people with mental illness are not violent and are far *more likely to be victims* of violent crime than perpetrators of violence. Rhetoric that argues otherwise will further stigmatize and interfere with people accessing needed treatment." Patients with psychiatric disorders actually account for a quarter of crime victims in any given year. And although mental illness has been shown to play a role in more mass shootings than other forms of large-scale homicides, the attributable risk of violence remains low, *at just 4%.* "It's hard for people to understand why they would have done it and they want to come up with some explanation," Barnhorst told MedPage Today. "Many people don't really understand what mental illness is, they just think it's a problem with your mind. They think [a shooter's] mind must not be working, and that's why this happened." On one hand, it may seem like improving underfunded mental health systems as Trump recommended is a step in the right direction. But on the other hand, doing so will probably not reduce violence considering the small proportion of mentally ill individuals who commit violent acts. "The evidence also clearly suggests that, even in cases where symptoms of mental illness do play a role in a perpetrator's actions, it is never or almost never only the mental illness that contributed to that action," McGinty told MedPage Today. Factors like antisocial personality traits or other behavioral patterns are more closely tied to criminal recidivism than mental illness, according to an NCBH report. Specifically, most prior shooters have experienced childhood trauma and had a crisis in the weeks predating the shootings, according to The Violence Project, an ongoing database cataloguing more than 100 mass shootings over the past 20 years. Bullying victimhood is often cited as a feature of many shooters' pasts. www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth/81495
This comment section is ludicrous. “Ugh why is Anthony talking about this” and “ugh why is this video so long you’re delving too deep, it’s even longer than the killer mike video” Maybe it’s because he has a lot to say and he’s utilizing his platform as a method of discussion. I think you all missed the point. If the video is too long, then for fucks sake, stop watching it and do something else you impatient shitheel. Jesus. Not the first time Anthony has gotten political. He’s not forcing you to watch the video.
Jibrish should I be spouting some emotional bullshit. "Anyone who doesn't agree with me hates children. My senator is a murderer" is that more you IQ level?
Kamalindsey, the authoritarian tendency exists in the centre as well. But the left-right divide is not simply a reference to economics but also civic and political freedoms as well. The divide can summarized as egalitarian vs hierarchical. Stalin for example was economically left (kinda?) but authoritatively hard-right. The left-right dichotomy is so incredibly problematic.
Horseshoe theory doesn't suggest the "truth" is in the center. Nobody but centrists likes centrists. The suggestion is that extremism breeds similar policy results even if the ideas are different.
the only people who deny horseshoe theory are far leftists who want to believe theyre still good people despite advocating policies that resemble authoritarian right-wing ones.
i'd like to add to the topic my own experience with school: I was a kid who had a lot of issues growing up, thankfully I feel I've managed to resolve most of them but the point is I feel like I can relate to the sort of kid that might eventually spiral into the depths of mental hell and make a horrible decision. And I know in my past I've severely acted up in school and gone on mental rampages throughout the halls, essentially having massive temper tantrums, In that sort of mind-frame I can easily see how when you're scared and extremely defensive you can make very rash decisions. this leads me to what if a kid such as myself is merely acting out having a temper tantrum and screaming his head off acting insane, let's say he grabs a knife from somewhere in the school or brought one from home, at what point is it okay to take defensive measures against the boy and when teachers and guards are equipped with firearms the sort of potential for unnecessary death seems almost too high. Surely you can see the sort of slippery slope this presents... it seems like a tremendous amount of responsibility to put on teachers and guards and an incredibly fragile situation for damaged children.
Thanks for continuing the conversation, Anthony. As a massive Run the Jewels fan, I'm really disappointed in Killer Mike. He's also an Anti-Vaxxer. I feel like for all his political commentary, Killer Mike's proven himself to be a pseudo-intellectual.
Yeah, Killer Mike basically said that he's open to look at their "research" which is are no scientific studies to support not vaccinating yourself or your kids. It's ridiculous to even contemplate it. Anti-Vaxxers are bringing back old diseases because they refuse to vaccinate their kids. It's awful and I cannot believe Killer Mike is so ignorant.
That anti-vax shit isn’t right at all but I don’t think this interview was terrible. I agree with Mike’s general sentiments even if the points he makes to support them can be trash lol
I just think it's super tone deaf for Killer Mike whose entire career is trying to teach and uplift black communities to go on the NRATV, which is sponsored by gun manufacturers, and spout nonsense. He should know more than anyone that the NRA doesn't care about black people. Guns have killed so many in America. He looks like an asshole saying guns are for self defense when guns are not going to save you in a shooting.
Good points melon. I can see where mike's coming from tho. You should reach out to him to have a conversation. I feel some people might say, "what business do 2 music dudes have talking about guns" but I honestly feel you 2 have the potential to have a meaningful/substantial exchange compared to the soundbite convos on cnn/fox.
