it's not dead, even with all the heat player's won't just quit the game, it's the only game that does what they do correectly that isn't dead like the cycle the frontier or maruader's. people tried copying the game but failed 1 after another.
It's not really even for a game, so much as for the DLC for a game. (Even if it includes the base game, who;s going to buy a $250 game other than the people who already play it?)
@@SpankinYaBoyIt's just scaremongering though. You run a seperate copy of the game which doesn't connect to any real servers. There's zero chance of getting caught. Goose egg. But you are correct. It does show the priorities of BSG, and how anti-consumer they are.
@@SpankinYaBoy you cant unless you're dumb enough to launch the actual game while playing single player tarkov since battle eye could potentially detect it as cheat program and ban you
everything on steam says "Sales tax will be calculated during checkout where applicable", BSG charges various transaction fees for various payment methods
@@BonzerMrT its still the same value, 250 US dollars is equal to 1,268.55 Brazilian Real, 100 liters is equal to 100,000 milliliters which is equal to 26.4 US gallons
very funny, especially considering that singleplayer loads like 10x faster. I usually had to wait like idk 5 to 7 minutes while loading to customs, but on SPT its like 1.5 minutes
PvE games often try to scam their players. E.g in Payday 2 they have a ton of DLCs, but they haven't learned because Now Payday 3 they said they will take the same DLC aproach, plus they will also add an in-game store for cosmetics in 2025 & a premium currency. Other PVE games that come to mind with premium currency are: Rainbow Six Exttraction (had an in-game store for cosmetics), killing floor 2, etc
$250 are equal to 1278.07 BRL. This is 90,47% of the average wage in Brazil (if you don't include taxes). Basically IMPOSSIBLE to buy this "premium edition" without being rich in my country.
@@austinmontenegro976 Sadly so true, the current state of gamering is very anti-consumer and exploitive. I think all these people that Claim Tarkov is dead are being idiots. Sure its already reached its height as a game but alot of people are still playing OW2. Sooo tIme to make some money?
@@scumroyalsgaming "We can't escape from Tarkov, because we can't escape what we are" -Lightkeeper (third time i repeat this in the comment section, start to be annoying but i love the quote)
This is only half of it. They were also changing their website and what is included in the EOD, live during LVNDMARK's stream. Removing the line "includes all subsquent DLCs" from the EOD account and adding it to unheard. Won't suprise me if they tried to do the same thing again with another 400 dollar editon on launch. Edit. It seems Nikita is starting to walk back or maybe was changing different line of text. I guess my overall point was. They're trying to manipulate us and pull the wool over our eyes. And they will do it again
@@Irek__2 nah, ill pass. Im seeing what they are doing. Even their apology was a half apology that blamed the customers. Being different doesnt mean being correct dog. Stop using 12 year old tik tok lingo like "Womp Womp" and whining at people to see things differently when youre wrong.
400$ version that lets you select area of the map you spawn into, with 10x96 stash and level 15 character to access flea market at start, maybe even some max rep traders at start
I played it for about 3 hours and got bored. Did well in multiplayer matches on whatever map I was on, but as a fresh noob I obviously had no idea where my extracts were on a massive map and ran out the time limit, losing all the crap i’d got after killing 4-5 scavs or players. Messed around with that mode where you can spawn into a map with bots but you don’t get to keep loot to try and learn maps, but it got old quick. It’s not made for casual players, unless those casual players are willing to sink hours into learning basic things like where to go on a map. And at least for me, the loading times were absolutely asinine and i’d have to sit there for 10 minutes while a I loaded into a single match
@@dryfox11 You never killed 4 - 5 players. You killed scavs. As much as I want to shit on Tarkov, learn a game before you shit on it lmao. Its like not being able to finish a Mario level and calling the whole game trash because you keep dying to a fucking turtle.
@@dryfox11 Play for at least 50 hours and join the community before you comment on any multiplayer game. Something that you disagree with might just be a you problem(low skill/ low knowledge).
$250 is literally my weekly grocery expense for a family of 4. They’re out of their damn minds, ESPECIALLY promising FREE DLC and then backtracking and demanding $250 for something that they promised would be FREE
This is the problem with publicly traded companies. Every year you have to earn more money than last. It leads to these idiotic decisions so that the shareholders are happy
@@Rob712 great point! They can’t point at the suits and say “it was them!” Like dice could be influenced majorly by EA but these guys do this stuff by their own accord
I loved Tarkov, then took a break one wipe and came back to a banned account, I sent a ticket to the devs and asked if I can get unbanned or at least find out why I was banned. I was told it's in the terms and conditions that they can ban anyone and no reason needs to be provided. I never cheated and never even reached a super high level or even got super rich. I guess they assumed I'd buy another account but gg I'm sad about quitting but it is what it is.
I hope you tried to refund? Pretty sure you could argue from a consumer protection standpoint, especially if you're in the EU where they take this shit more seriously
I stopped playing Tarkov years ago when the playerbase started to grow, causing the strange meta of almost CoD-like speed combat that has evolved now. I think they've leaned so hard into that meta with things like the grenade launchers, large caliber guns, LMGs, etc and nearly unlimited money from the hideout, that they lost sight of what the game originally was. I miss the days of going around the map slowly, looting what I needed or completing missions, and being careful about engaging other players because dying meant something. Now after dying all you need to do is go into your hideout, get some bitcoin, vendor it and buy your entire kit back from the flea market in a few clicks.
When this game came out the inertia was awful chads literally just stomped. What Tarkov were you playing? As games get older they get harder because people get better. Not to mention when they lose casuals. Then its just a pool of players who want to better at the game. So yea harder game and this game is hard to begin with.
I gotta agree with you. I've been griping about OG tarkov compared to now for so long, I think my friends are annoyed about it: But its certainly far, far different than what it started out as. OG tarkov really had that "everything is F*'d kind of feel. Finding an M4 was a miracle, and something you cherished for a long time. I miss when everyone had shitty AK's and PM pistols, and half the scav loot was partially broken weapons. It really had that STALKER vibe. It was slow. Good loot was rare. And there wasn't this insane, annoying meta there is now.
Definitely had the most fun when it was just getting popular. Everyone sucked and you were still learning the game. Me and my friends didn't even bother with any quests back then, we just played for fun and progressed through looting and killing.
To be fair to Star Citizen due to that comparison you made : You can actually get all ships in the shop by simply playing the game. In EFT, you cannot get the Unheard edition by spending some fictional money...
I haven't played star citizen (I wouldn't even try until I get a better PC) but I have seen some of the prices on their ships in real currency. You could theoretically earn those ships using in game currency, but can you practically? Helldivers 2 for instance, has a currency you can buy or earn, but it is practically feasible for a person to earn enough premium currency with gameplay to buy the monthly DLC on a monthly basis.
@@epikmanthe3rd You can. It's an MMO so it'll take a little bit of MMO timeline, but once you get a good game loop going and making money it's quite feasible.
@@DocVanfox Considering the most expensive ship is $20k, I struggle to believe that. Hell, even the second most expensive ship at $3k seems like it would take YEARS to grind to.
@@epikmanthe3rd Those aren't in the game yet so I don't know the in-game price. But I can tell you, the 890 Jump (a 800$ ship) is 32 million in game and I always manage to buy within around 2 months.
Some studios can't help but think they're better than their customers, and that they're the only option, so they can get away with ridiculous levels of asshattery. There has not yet been a studio that did not have competition ready and willing to step up, eat their lunch, and T-bag their drink before leaving.
Exactly, Nikita is delusional on so many levels. The game is decent but we're all pretty bored of it now and very ready to jump ship to a new extraction shooter for no other reason than boredom. Nikita then expects his loyal fanbase to support them into the 'full release' when we're not sure what the 1.0 will even look like.
@@thedofflin Some people already do defend the new edition. No matter how many times you tell some people that they literally just quickly made an overpriced coop mode in 2 weeks AFTER Incursion released and they saw they can make some money from it, they think it's "perfectly fine" and "worth it". So yes, they actually do in fact absolutely bank in on a a portion of the player base. Do they care if their player base drops? Probably not, they already got your money. If everyone leaves: What do they care? They'll just close the gates and leave with their earnings. The money some people already spent on those versions could've literally been given to the Incursion & Gray Zone Warfare devs, at least those (especially Incursion as the first one that got announced, back then as Project Quarantine) did come out building a game from the ground up to satisfy the question for coop that was unanswered for years, those are smaller devs, they're not precisely BSG who are still swimming in millions - and in incursions case the devs even specifically allow mods and want people to create them, for 16.50€ instead of 250€ without taxes, lol.
It's a russian company so it was to be expected. They try to milk as much money as they can by scamming their customers and then they make a new company or product
@@joshmiller9783The devs set the fire & consumers pour the gasoline. Fortunately not all devs do that, some devs have morals & think about their fans & reputation. Lets praise those devs who do that.
@@ballisticwafflesThis is not defeatism, he is just stating a fact: if the players reward such behavior, it will continue. Defeatism would be to say: there is nothing that can be done, because people will buy ot anyways.
Years since I've seen a levelcap video in my recommendations. Probably since Battlefield 1. This is an actual situation I wanted to understand, so I'm happy to see your channel is still going strong.
people would be more okay with paying for stupid skins than paying for pve and thats weird to me ... people spend more money on COD skins than tarkov pve... and thats the really sad thing..@@inviktus1983
They should have sold face paint for cosmetics, heaps of players would buy it especially dark ones which give a minor edge if you aren’t wearing a helmet w face shield
Nikita still hasn’t apologised. He’s regretful and disappointed that he got caught however. Not suprised we’re only just getting to shine a light on the greed of BSG and their lack of care towards the community. A new edition was never needed. They just needed to fix their game. They had a loyal community that supported the game through and through, but still decided they wanted to throw it all away. I’ll miss tarkov, only pre innertia though.
1:27 Actually, the SPT mod is not co-op and never will be. SPT stands for 'Single Player Tarkov' and is ONLY single player intentionally. The mod team that made it aren't giving BSG any ammo to use against them in court if BSG try to cease and desist them. Also, it installs to a new folder directory and does not use your online account in any way so BSG has NO idea you are playing SPT.
@@XxSNiiPeR115xX Yes. There is a co-op mod out there, but the devs for SPT do not condone it and do not support it. SPT-AKI itself will never be co-op.
I forgot I even owned EFT, I launched it and couldn't get over the clunky movement and absurd amount of keybinds you need.. I'm going to give this a try.
@@hhaste i support you dont get me wrong but the timing of this and the video that brought you this desire is truly hilarious. lots of fun once you learn the game
I thought the Tarkov devs were Ukrainians, but after looking up, the irony is indeed there and makes those prices even more messed up if you know what I mean.
@@pannik_lucas When I thought that the devs were Ukrainian, I thought as a joke that they made the prices so ridiculously high to support the Ukrainian war effort. But since the devs are Russians, those high prices will now in a way support the Russian war effort (via taxes of course) against the country, where Tarkov’s inspiration comes from. If you think it this way, than it makes those (unnecessary) prices (I’m not a Tarkov player, so I don’t know if 150 and 250 are worth it) kinda messed up.
What’s weird to think about is while the average person would say “yeah that’s way too much” there were enough people on their dev team that actually said “looks good 👍🏼” for this to actually pass.
Because they're very well aware that some people will buy it regardless. And loads will forgive it either way - in fact, they already got some people defending the pack who bought it, so they achieved everything they wanted even if they'd give everything for free to everyone. And people WILL flock back to play it - and if not, why would they care? They can just shut down their servers and have even more money than they had before putting it up.
I doubt the dev team has any real say on monetization decisions. They might have been able to speak against it, but it's the top brass that makes the call ultimately.
Star Citizens monetization has been communicated to all backers back in 2013 and they been supportive of this approach. All changes since then have been wished for by the community - like the ability to upgrade purchases or to buy back previously deleted purchases. Its totally ok to "not be ok" with that approach and stay out of it.
Arena breakout, grey zone warfare, incursion red river, marauders, ghosts of tabor, and the hunt showdown are all in the perfect spot to take over the extraction shooter genre.
Red River and Gray Zone still have a long while to go before they are going to 'take over' anything, other than the exodus that isn't going to feel the same 'awe' factor by them as tarkov offered. (I'm not defending BSG, they suck, but still.. )
Every EFT player should check out the single player mod (SPT), especially those that want offline but don't have EoD or want to buy it.. There is absolutely no way for BSG to know that you're using it unless you show them publicly. SPT creates it's own server on your computer and does not connect to BSG servers.
@@theonefrancis696 Nah, even before this controversy, SPT had tens of thousands of people playing; loads of people dug into how it works and into the files. It's safe. No more unsafe than BSG with access to your computer.
would also like to add, if you want to be able to play pve with your friends like the unheard edition has, you can. MPT (Project Fika) is a free mod that allows a peer-to-peer server connection to be established between SPT launchers for co-op in SPT. Setup was mildly jank and a tad bit confusing, but simple enough using radmin. My friend and i are on level 2 traders and have done around 30 raids with absolutely 0 hiccups!
@@Pentazemin44 server instability and an absurd number of cheaters are my reasons. With the right mods, you can turn it into a very close online experience.
If you don't realise connection between those two niche loot-based shooters it's over for you, and just fyi EFT authors never hid their inspirations and openly marketed alpha EFT as "multiplayer STALKER" in STALKER spaces early on (~2017)
Yesterday i was a loved EFT backer and bought the game in his worst version, Helped to devlope the game as a player, we supported the teams and devs when everything whent wrong but we where patient and hoped for a better future. Today EFT told me that i could just go crap my self and other are better and finally that what was sold to me as a trust me bro packedge was just a scam! Oke thank you EFT my acount was on sins 2016!
Unfortunately, I don't think it is this worth it since ot is always-online and uses a kernel level AC. But that is jus my opinion. And gameplaywise, it is awesome!
what i cannot get my head arround is... the "no wipe", first, existing for just SOME players, and seccond, not being included on the edge of darkness edition... simply blows my mind.
its been 2 days hell they could go dark not long after this shut off lights sell assets, and find somebody to buy the game from them and just move on like nothing ever happened, hell tencent would probably buy it up in a heart beat and still not suck as bad as BSG and that is worse case scenario that a Chinese company takes over, i hate ubisoft but its either them or Microsoft
Early tarkov devs worked on stalker with stalker devs, stalker devs also helped them with their first arena extraction shooter they made before tarkov.
I just upgraded EOD to Unheard Of for $50 and got instant access to PvE. For me it's a game changer and I already got more than my money's worth from EoD that I bought 4+ years ago for 139.99USD. Paying for the upgrade now may also help a little bit for BSG to get the new servers they need to enable PvE for all EoD players who want it. PvE gives solo players a chance to get over gear fear due to the 100% insurance return rate. Committing to no wipes in PvE mode shows that BSG has completed the core elements of the game and is confident in their systems. We can do our own PvE wipes whenever we want by starting another character. And thanks to the SPT Project that likely precipitated the new game modes.
The argument in court over the EOD thing would be that the unheard edition includes a downloaded update but there are features behind a paywall. If anything this is just prompt for us as the people to get "DLC" or Downloadable Content a legal definition. something like - Any increase in features, playable content, restricted behind a seperate download from the original base game. or something
This news got me to uninstall Tarkov. Been playing it for years with my buddies and most of have the Edge of Darkness. I'm not a cow though and I will not be milked like one.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Nikita also moved the goalpost for when "access to DLC" begins for EOD owners to post official launch. I suspect he's going to claim any new modes added during EFT's beta phase are not part of EOD's DLC access bc the game isn't fully released yet.
DLC has is an acronym that stands for "downloadable content". So if they tell you that you get all DLC for free. This means ANY content that you download for Tarkov, is free. It doesn't matter how expansive they feel it is, doesn't matter if it's an expansion or whatever. If it's new content and you have to download it, then by their own advertising they HAVE to give it to you for free or they're breaking the law. Even if we wanted to take the most charitable definition, the laymen definition, that excludes things like expansions, this isn't an expansion, it's just a new game mode with a few extra goodies. So in no way is them not giving it for free to the 150 dollar crowd legal. Now whether anyone actually holds them accountable is another thing entirely.
Something that gets looked past when talking about competitors to tarkov, is the in depth gun modifications, their accuracy to real world counter parts, and that the items are nearly all "real", aside from some obvious buff and health items. I don't care about the looter shooter aspect, I like that its (when its going correctly) an extremely accurate milsim.
I remember seeing trailers and gameplay in 2014-2015 in my realistic survival game phase and was in awe. Never played it as i only recently got into PC, but seems like i dodged a bullet
It's a good game. Problem is the same issues that plagued it for years (audio, recoil, cheaters) still do to this day and the only one they fixed was recoil.
@@maximanimo Man shocked that Early access game that isn't even out yet is clunky..... Tarkov has been in development for 8 years and is Clunky as a robot, Maybe have some optimism and stop being a Nikita simp. Greyzone needs some work but from what LITERALLY everyone is saying it has the structure to be amazing. BUUT hey if you want to give it a "fair try" by going in with a shit attitude, You do you boo.
@@maverick9334 nikita simp or not he has a point, no doubt it will get better as the dev for greyzone are FIRE but no matter what ppl are gonna compare the two no matter the plethora of differences. but for the time being i agree the gun play seems like it isnt to the standard of modern games. the mechanics behind it tho are dope already lmao
A friend I've played thousands of hours of Tarkov with is quitting for good and he's someone who usually doesn't care about company greed. I've quit a while back due to how little was being done about the hacking situation and this reaffirms my decision. With the level of greed displayed here I wouldn't be surprised if they were intentionally profiting off of hackers all this time.
@@bountoj The Mods are absolutely amazing, I've noticed no one who actually has played Modded SPT didn't like it, It's always the dum-dums who can't figure out how to install the mods who shit on SPT and call it "lame".
Surely “Edge of Darkness” owners are entitled to financial compensation since Battlestate Games fraudulently misrepresented the sale of that product right?
No. Because: a) a court would have to rule that it in fact does count as a DLC (and therefor would have to be included), otherwise it's just a differentiated product within the same application. b) they're in russia, so good luck getting them to even appear in court, they'll at best laugh at you.
@@DigitalApex the definition of DLC is “additional content created for a video game, distributed through the Internet by the game's publisher” and since content within the ‘Unheard Edition’ technically meets the definition of ‘DLC’ there is an argument to be made that it should be included within ‘Edge of Darkness’ edition. Furthermore several Reddit users are now known to have requested a refund of their “Edge of Darknesses Edition” with the understanding that if BSG don’t respond within 30 days they can and will submit a Lawsuit.
It's entirely possible but that would be a long drawn out back and forth. The Consumers have evidence of BSG literally changing the description of what was in EoD in near real time. Since PVE isn't a near separate entity like Arena, it could be stated that PVE is DLC, but it is not a easy argument considering the bs BSG is pulling with it's personal definitions of things. Also the original TOS would have to be looked over. BSG has proven that they have no issues with rewriting things on the fly. So the TOS people signed when EoD was still on the market, and what is visible at the moment could be different since this all started. People could try to do a class action. But if BSG is slowly sinking, thus why the Unheard of Bundle exists, there might not be anything to win. Long story short. It's might not even be worth trying.
I’m fairly new to Tarkov (January 2024) and I really enjoy the core difficult gameplay that eft has to offer. I got standard edition for around 40 bucks. The game is so good I even want to do a hardcore run for next wipe, it sucks seeing this company just shoot itself in the foot as if they don’t get it together I’ll most likely switch to gray zone warfare later this year
Battlestate games is cashing the fuck out. arena breakout is going to kill it, not becuase its wayyyy better or more inovative, but because it has a huge dev team that listens to its player base, i played it on mobile and still do. they have competetive teams in china on their own version. For level infinite (Arena Breakout) or AB money isnt a problem theyre huge. they have more daily players than tarkov. I wouldnt doubt most tarkov streamers move on, i wouldnt be suprised if they stayed though. My point is that AB is starting its cycle and by god are they good devs. they actually fucking listen. broken weapons get nerfed, while op weapons get balance changed. ALSO THE MARKET IS BETTER. You guys know that bullshit about not being able to sell items or gear to flee? well guess what AB fixed that. When you buy something from the market it will have a "supply marker" meaning that if you want to sell it back on the market you have to run through a raid with it first, ALSO if this item has a marker that means it cannot be put in your case. so if you die beacuse you wanted to horde you fucked up. THE only thing this doesnt happen on is bullets, while yes you can manipulate the market, you have to be incredibly rich and have rich friends. AB is also new, new maps, missions, weapons and atmosphere. Tarkov is cashing the fuck out because of that broken ass game everyone seems to complain after every update. dont get me wrong tarkov is great. i just rather see people play arena breakout because of its ranked mode. makes the game interesting and gives good players some extra stuff and objectives
Small number streamers probably stay with Tarkov, otherwise they'll loose their viewership. Bigger Streamers like Slob, Lupo, Shroud etc can easily move on without risking anything. But I agree with everything else you said.
