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Whatever Tsiah IV is doing. I am WARNING this fellow Fate fan that do not make a what if or analysis on this subject. FGO and Shirou never works well. As someone who read the context and watch the anime. Shirou is a reckless main character that would blatantly ignore the advice from others for the sake of saving someone. The Lostbelt arc would break him and end the story before it begun. So Tsiah IV, if you read this, stop this nonsense and moved on to another topics.
@@rogueascendant6611 "Shirou is a reckless main character that would blatantly ignore the advice from others for the sake of saving someone. " Except from when he literally tells Saber to not attack because theenemy because they lack info and she ignores him AND Rin and ends up getting trashed. And breaking him doesnt mean he cant win. EMIYA Alter, Mos Shirou, og EMIYA. They all won even if they killed people they should have saved. So what context did you read or anime did you watch?
@@ssjokg4952 Mostly UBW and that reckless being a shield over Saber from Heracles stone slab sword. He is still reckless no matter how much you put words and info regarding about him from FSN routes. It's the boy nature from his survivor guilt and following his father's dream to do what's right even if it will lead him to ruins. Shirou is best suited as a Servant than a master in FGO. He is not Ritsuka that whether good or evil, they'll bond to the master. Shirou will have conflicted issue to some of the Servants inherent ideals and their nature.
@@rogueascendant6611 You mean when Herc almost killed Saber and they would be next if he didnt do that? Or ,for saying UBW, when he wanted to save Taiga, who he considers family? Meanwhile Ritsuka attacking Kingu for no reason.... Shirou was able to ally with Kirei and Rider, in the latter's case even after seeing her attacking and feeding on innocent people. He was willing to let Kuzuki live but Kuzuki didnt want to, he was willing to let Shinji live even after almost killing everyone at school and also right after almost killing Shinji. Shirou has no issues moving past someone being an "enemy" or evil. He even admits liking Kirei. I dont know what FSN you read. Guess what Shirou IS; a Servant in FGO, Muramasa is for all intends and purposes an older Shirou, and he had no issues with the idea of destroying LBs, allying with enemies and even allying with the Alien God in the first place.
@@ssjokg4952 I'll slide from the first paragraphs since I know all those things. But the last is just wrong. Muramasa is Muramasa. It was stated that Shirou will grow like Muramasa in terms of personality but sorry to burst your bubbles. Muramasa was always the driver of the body while Shirou remained immobile. Are you trying to sugarcoat that this is JUST older Shirou? . . . . . . sorry but this is not how it works. Muramasa was the one to all of that as being the Apostle of the Alien God not Shirou Emiya.
I think it would be interesting because Shirou’s whole thing is an unhealthy hero complex and or survivors guilt. Having him interact with so many actual heroes would be cool because there conversations could be so interesting(that goes for villains/antagonist to). They could discus things like why people become heroes, do they even consider themself, a hero how do they feel about the way that they are remembered in history, ect. I also wonder if other servants cold identify and even feel comradery with his sacrificial nature and try to stare him down a less self destructive path.
@@rjfrost7090 Simple: Because Shirou does not exist in the stories, only a Name Only because the author was afraid of writing a Self-Insert, so he wrote someone wearing the name of "Shirou" so he could Gary Stue all over. (In X-over fanfics too) Big reason I avoid Parcasious fanfics. Shirou would not be able to get half the Servants respect the same-way as Ritsuka can.
You mean the themes already discussed in the original work? Like we know Siegfried has a similar mindset to Shirou though depending on how you look at it it is even more crazy since, spoilers for Traum I guess cause it's coming out soon: Siegfried in Fate planned to die to spare people which caused Krim to commit her own revenge on a brother who she thought betrayed her and her husband when in fact her husband and brother were working together to orchestra his death. He willingly pulls out his own heart to save Sieg which objectively is way more insane then anything Shirou actually did unless we count Heavens Feel as in terms of values as when we see what EMIYA did to become a Counter Force Guardian and why, his at least showed a value difference on one sacrifice vs the many at the time (not including the amount of people he would go on to kill to not even know if he was saving lives) or his Alter timeline where he became even more obsessed then EMIYA yet somehow he didn't try and commit suicide as EMIYA Alter and simply accepted his role as the Worlds hired gun and not try and do a paradox kill on his younger self but work with in the system to try and save others in this new way. Honestly it just doesn't sound all that interesting in that way since this was already explored in the original work and conversely, Hollow Ataraxia. You would just get more of that and more OC feeling then you think but wouldn't care because you already think what you stated is correct.
Shirou sees Lancer Artoria... Then Saber Artoria (possibly near glued to him) hisses at her Lancer Self like a cat, the Knights of the Round all get confused why a version of their king is there and is possibly a bit possessive of him... And Mordred wonders if he's her mom now.
Hah, I recently read a fanfic with my theme. If Shirou were to go to Chaldea, no matter as a master or a servant, it would plunge into hell. They definitely wouldn't be able to share it.
@@geasstk1334 Artoria is her father, and Mordred is Artoria's son... It's hard to explain as like.... Mordred isn't traditionally trans. With those she's close to, she allows them to address her as female, but due to the situation of knights and all that jazz being male usually a knight needing to be a man is kind of drilled into her head and she wants to be a great knight worthy of her father's love and respect.... Also, Artoria doesn't have the dong anymore but Morgan tricked her into donating sperm from a false phallus Merlin gave her because she needed to make an heir with Guinevere.
People point to Shirou's bad ends saying he's likely to die, but they don't notice that these bad ends often result from making choices that Shirou wouldn't. Shirou as he is shows to be a very capable survivor. He thinks on his feet like crazy to maximize his chances for survival. Given a dangerous environment, he grows and adapts like crazy. Not saying the singularites would be a cakewalk for him, but he's very much able to get through them.
He does die though, several times, by his own self-destructive choices. He is kept alive purely by the power of the Avalon sheath which made him able to survive even a stab to the heart (the only reason Rin finds him alive after his encounter with Lancer is because of the remnants of mana in the Avalon sheath stuck inside his body). Basically, a normal Shirou, in the same situation as Ritsuka, would need insane amounts of luck to survive if he took the same cavalier attitude he does in all of his adventures in Fate media. He would not hide behind servants and that would just get him killed eventually. Also, let’s remember Shirou would not even be placed in the list of Master candidates. Not even the sub list (the one Ritsuka was taken from). Chaldea only took highly compatible individuals with the FATE system of summoning, which innately means they need to have a good ability to supply their servant with a link to the world. Shirou’s whole deal in Stay Night was he was the worst Master in the War, Shinji aside because Shinji was not even a real Master. Forget summoning a collection of servants, he’d be lucky to summon Saber again.
@@wanabid98 Which happens to be 100% what Chaldea faces year-round. Ritsuka survives because he is the commander-type, he knows Servants are stronger that he ever could be so he leans on them and knows not to take as many risks. Shirou loves taking risks.
@@thelostwanderergames4287 You mean the one where if he didnt she would die and then he and Rin would follow right after? Didnt Fujimaru attack Kingu with his bare hands because he was angry? Which is more retarded?
Shirou would have completely different relationships with not only all of the Servants summoned and met along the way, but everyone at Chaldea as well, and not all for the better I feel like.
He is not suited to accept the likes of many servants summoned, he would simply die when confronted with some of the evil leaning ones as unlike Ritsuka, its unlikely Shirou would bond with them
@@spinecricket Forget about bonding with them, is he even gonna accept their help? Like would he accept Koyan's help in LB7 after what she did the past LBs
@@ikram1572 He accepted Kirei's help, Cu's and later on in Hollow Ataraxia everyone else's help to deal with Angra. He's actually pretty practical about a lot of this stuff. This also ignores EMIYA and EMIYA Alter being versions of himself he could become or Miyuverse Shirou. "Senpai wouldn't use a gun. That's what you thought right? I'll use anything at my disposal to win." This one was raised different by Kiritsugu but the core of wanting to win and get the best outcome is still there. Honestly, Kama would be someone more difficult for Shirou to stomach then say Carmilla. Least Carmilla shows the ability to reflect. Him dealing with Kiyohime would also be interesting since she's not actually a typical yandere as she doesn't want liars. Her making Shirou admit to things like not trying to hide behind "your a girl" like he did with Artoria would be interesting. This also ignores how Shirou would have great comparability by Nasu's own words with the likes of Anne/Mary who Anne is Evil aligned, Spartacus whose Spartacus and Nightingale whose Nightingale. Like forget Evil. He would have legit more issues dealing with those who are Good aligned.
Every time I hear Mind of Steel Shirou and EMIYA Alter brought up at the same time I am reminded that Alter has the skill called "Derisive Heart of Steel."
Two questions: 1. How would be the beginning of Fate/Stay Night, if Shirou would summoned Saber Lion 🦁? Answer: Lancer would perished during their first battle 😅 2. How would be the events of Fate/Stay Night in general, if Shirou had to Saber Lion 🦁 as Servant, particulary regarding his interactions with the other characters?
A What If? along these lines I think could be interesting is having Shiki Tohno replace Shirou as FSN's protagonist. This Shiki would either be adopted by Kiritsugu to become Shiki Emiya or simply have the Tohno family moved to Fuyuki where he'd end up as Saber's Master in the Fifth Holy Grail War.
Thinking about this is crazy interesting cause imagine Shiro interacting with Babylonia Gil, especially when you consider Gil would literally have seen Shiro fighting Gil in his younger mentality
@mayoraa_100 He can't win a straight fight but to say that he can't fight servant and not die when we have multiple instances of other human very capable of surviving by just fighting back. There also more threats then just Servent like the mob monster which most I can say Shirou can deal with.
The only reason why Shirou was in those situations was because he saw Saber getting hella injured in her two first fights. And almost died in the second if Shirou wasnt "stupid" enough to save her. Every time Shirou did something stupid he saved their ass but somehow that is a problem for the others? Well it's probably better for them to be dead I guess...
Shirou be like My copies may be a rank lower but with this new and improved unlimited mana battery i can shoot yo ass with 100 full powered one rank lowered nps
@@ic3dr4g0n5 ooohhh the changed line up could be like this Medea Assassin: the Medea who just assassinated Jason's lover. Her noble phantasm will be her throwing her kids at the enemy. Castoria : castoria sasaki kojiro saber : the true sasaki kojiro who battled musashi
theres no way he would care. the reason solomon never did anything was because chaldea wasnt a challenge, just a minor nusiance. he didnt predict that romani would pull the plug and thanos snap himself out of existence. he wouldnt care if shiro could pull out some copies, maybe find it amusing or pathetic but thats it. from the beginning chaldea's victory wouldnt be decided by anything other than romani's sacrifice.
@@venren523 In The cyptarks simulated reality's. He alaws killed some of the cyptarks caues they were a real threat. Logically after seeing how quickly Shiro goes' through the singularity's he'd kill him caues he's too efficient
In fate strange fake zelretch almost intervened in the false grail war due to the spider. My question is did he also play a part in the 3 routes of fate?
Well in Heaven´s Fell, they used (a copy of) his sword. Not to mention being there at the start of the whole Grail War thing ages ago. (In the flashback.) So he was definitely part of the story. No idea if he had any direct involvement in the "present" though.
@@rushan4ikkThere are multiple versions of him. Infact from what we know, the nature of 2nd Magic would make Zelretch's existence akin to a multiversal Hive mind. Would also explain why any Magus who tries to learn about the Kaleidoscope from Zelretch goes Insane.
@@SiegfriedFafnirsbane Having looked into this, I realized that there are at least three different versions of it. He is from the worlds of Tsukikihime, where he became a Dead Apostle, he is from Fate, where he did not become one, and he is from SF. But Hivemind? I don't fully understand what you meant
Story wise im thinking that FGO would be a lot more brutal. Ristuka being a mediocre master is often forced to think outside the box and ally himself with others to fufill his goals. Shirou? Especially post FSN? Would be more self sufficient. Hes going to be more straight foward in his approach to solving the missions. I don't see certain events getting out of hand as they did in canon FGO due to his power. However...... I also see him not making allies as easily as ristuka did. Especially when their morals clash with his. Then on characters he's met a version of before.......ohhhh boy. It would be hilarious seeing him work with Gilgamesh. I think the lostbelts would be very different. Either shirou breaks down and becomes kirisugu jr.....basically becoming a terrorist and assassinating folks in the lostbelts as "it's either my timeline ir theirs" or i could see shirou going rogue to seek out a different solution. Either way i dont really see shirou spending the time ristuka does in each lostbelt.
@@lordtouchme77 fair enough..... That's a possible scenario. But would he care to go through the events ristuka did? I mean....my personal issue with ristuka is that he gets too attached to folks in the lostbelt.... forgetting or often repressing the fact that his mission is to essentially destroy their worlds. A lot of pain and mishaps come from this dilemma. If Shirou essentially becomes Emiya in mindset....I can see him taking the short route through the lostbelts.
@@rotimigbadebo9609 At the end of the day its the same people he's going to destroy that usually pushes him to do so(i.e Patxi, the twins and that girl from lostbelt 4) while keeping his humanity. He makes friends with them and acknowledges their plight but also sees the very same problems their own lostbelt world brings to them, so he'll acknowledge that even if the world and people he knew are going to be destroyed he can rest easier knowing that the world they are fighting for is worth it. This way he's more capable of keeping it together, unlike if he went to destruction straight away without any concern for what happens, bit by bit he'll ignore more and more evils because if he feels the end justifies the means or that it doesn't matter because the world will be destroyed anyway. He needs to acknowledge what he is doing even if it hurts because in the end it will help him in one way or another.
Shirou would not fall to sleep in class, and so would not be kicked out of it. He would attempt a rayshift like everyone else, but get caught in the explosion with everyone else.
I think Shirou as the lead of FGO would wind up to be a wild ride. I actually would feel sorry for Mash and the rest of the cast because being close to Emiya Shirou isn't easy. He is reckless, he is self sacrificing, he has real mental problems and those are going to be pushed to the forefront. I do see Mash initially getting along with Shirou but even this older and more powerful Shirou would be a handful. Also I see him summoning Artoria early on and this maybe leading to some tension between her and Mash if she develops romantic feelings for Shirou which is entirely possible.
actually, going by how Da vinci and Roman are willing to lie about how singularities work, and also how Shirou himself views changing the past as unnecessary, it would actually be pretty easy to get his complex under control since he's willing to let servants fight.
Mashu would be 16-17 while shirou is in his mid to late twenties romance is the least likely. Shirou's mental issues might make mashu's problems worse.
@@blaneonthemoon2507Would he though? I agree that he probably could body Shirou most cases. But would Wodime's Meteor magecraft work in UBW? Assuming Shirou could cast it. I can't remember how fast Wodime could cast Meteor.
@@etherios5673Not saying it gives Shirou an advantage. More of possibly taking away the reason why Wodime is so OP in the lostbelt. At least evening out the playing field.
@@etherios5673 Not saying he isn't strong. He's the strongest Master. But the lostbelt is why he's so OP compared to the present time. I'm arguing that instead of an absolute loss, that Shirou has a chance in UBW by taking away his greatest strength. And by chance I'm not saying it would be easy for Shirou at all. I don't recall anything that would demolish Shirou outside of his Astrology magecraft. Also Wodime did have Dioscuri with him when they met so Super Orion couldn't blitz him.
Whoops. Forgot about that since it's been a bit since I read it. I'd argue part of that is because of the lostbelt when he has unlimited mana to play with barriers and such. One of those barriers could tank rhongomyniad. And not going to argue the fact that he can react to servants. If he couldn't then we wouldn't even be arguing. Too bad we really don't have any other feats of Wodime outside of the Lostbelt. And I agree. Current Shirou would lose. I was debating the theoretical Shirou that the video is based on and closer to EMIYA. The one who would have gone and grown throughout this story to at least reach this lostbelt. My bad, should have made that more clear. His battery should be less of an issue and Wodime should be much more limited without his Astrology magecraft. Edit: On a side note, the reason why I even thought he had a chance to pull off UBW is that their chants take a similar amount of time. Based on Shirou's chant in ubw anime vs Wodime's in the game. With how close they are, it'd probably come down to who started first.
Still think Ritsuka is best suited for FGO setting. -Sure, Shirou is stronger in combat and in facing threats. -But, unlike FSN, FGO setting is very different. -Shirou has very strong personality and ideals which might face head on with his servants.( mostly Evil or Chaotic ones ). -Ritsuka lacking these things, makes him very much versatile in situations like negotiations with enemies, or heeding advises of more knowledgeable individuals like Shion or Da vinci. Or using lesser evil to destroy greater one. -On the other hand, Shirou will ignore every advice to save someone. -And there is LB problem. Our Glorious Hero will have absolutely worse than Ritsuka. -I dare say that LB are designed specifically for Ritsuka. Maybe Hakuno but not for Shiro. -The common thing in FGO, is lots of enemies look down on Ritsuka a lot, after that they are either dead or join Chaldea. -In the End, Even Gods, Beasts and Aliens tremble before the power of Charisma and Common sense. -I am glazing Ritsuka too much. But here is a note, Ritsuka is never main character in FGO story, he is just support character in every chapter. -FGO part 1 is for Mashu. -Part 2 has many main characters in each LBs. Gudao is more like a driving force for every LB. He needs others to win the day ( power of friendship, I suppose ). But without him everything will fall apart. -FGO never needs a powerful protagonist nor idealistic protagonist , it just need a guy who do what needs to be done with a heavy heart.
Finally someone with common sense, i swear to god all these shirou fanboys think he could solved or even survived singularity since he would just ended up dead by saving some random npc.
@@lordtouchme77most singularities barely people and at best whatever is causing issues is some fodder monster, The problem with the gudas and why people replace them is because their just at Mary sue lvls of “ oh hey everyone bows to my charisma” and how it hardly feels like they add much to a situation
@@muratticugaratti1571 Why are we calling having no personality "charisma"? The only reason he can be on good terms with anyone is because he has no set personality or ideals. Is the Servant some evil crazy man? Sure we can be friends with him and "tame" him. Is the Servant some holy woman? Even easier. Not just Shirou, all other MCs in Fate media, even Sieg came face to face with Servants that disliked, hated them. Everyone that at some point join Ritsuka HAS to like them. If they are a Servant, even an enemy, will at some point, recognize Ritsuka as capable, even tho the only thing they do is being a battery and being a Yes Man whenever a smart Servant proposes a plan; and ofc the story will imply that Ritsuka was thinking of the same thing. Shirou having to face a dilemma like LB would be far better than Ritsuka BECAUSE he has personality and ideals. SHirou doesnt belong in FGO as MC but he would be hell more interesting than Mr "I get all the Servant for no real reason"
@@ssjokg4952 Have you fucking read FGO at all? Ritsuka has personality and Goals canonically. Do you think someone like Jalter, Melt or Kings with high ego like Gilgamesh and Ozy would respect someone with no personality? In fact your whole point is wrong because we have Douman who despite Ritsuka hates is still around. Ritsuka canonically is probably the best master of all Fate and is an extremely good general/tactician. Shirou can never beat FGO because he would fucking get himself killed against Goetia by saying stuff that would piss him off
If we mantain Ritsuka as the MC but put Shiro as a worker inChaldea or a survivor in F singularity (lets say he used UBW to scape there) things would get veeeeeeeery interesting as it would someting like good gop (Ritsuka) and bad cop (shiro tired of bullshit) situation
depending of the "route" would be friendly or "come here you bitch with archer, and always a "damm and i though archer life sucked" with Alter xD@@lordtouchme77
The thing that intrests me the most about this idea is his interactions with the Lancer and caster Artoria, like whats he gonna be thinking about Lancer's plans or his interactions with the KOTR especially Bedivere. if gets to lb6 it would be cool to see if he takes a mentor role for Caster since he knows the real deal, or somthing.
Ah! Very interesting analysis. I actually ran the first arc of FGO as a tabletop game some years back with players who were (mostly) unfamiliar with FGO but Fate fans otherwise. One of the players chose to play Shiro Emiya, and I slotted him in as the 'protagonist' character. To fit him in, I made the following changes: I had Kiritsugu be the master during the Fuyuki grail war. Shiro witnessed it, but was not an active participant. After the war, Marisbury Animusphere sought out Shiro and paid for him to attend Clocktower in London claiming that it was a favor to his father. Shiro went to London, learned mage craft, and then got a job at Chaldea - as part of the medical staff working for Romani (which is why he wasn't with the teams what got exploded). As for Olga Marie, I just cut the whole getting sucked into a sun thing and said that her body died in the explosion so she was effectively just a ghost - when the singularity ended, she sparkled away like a Servant. Shiro was sad, but there wasn't much he could do about it. Oh, and if you're wondering who the other PCs were - Mash was a PC, as was Jeanne d'Arc (I started the game in Orleans and handled Fuyuki as flash backs). There was also a PC who kept getting bored and switching characters - they mostly played Mordred, Nero, and a few others. Edit: Oh, since you mentioned meeting Psudo servants. Another thing I put in Shiro's backstory was the Sakura death scene from Vow in Snow (modified for a normal grail war) - so when he meets Parvati (the only Sakura face in arc 1), he had to deal with seeing Sakura back from the dead... but she doesn't remember him. The RPer went hard - it was an amazing session.
BRO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MAX POTENTIAL RITSUKA HE'D BE AN ABSOLUTE DEMON example in the valantine events bro just gets gifted a BUNCH of noble phantasms and gets personally trained by chiron trainer of Achilles and Hercules chiron
Seriously - I *actually* loath how the Blank Slate Protag/Everyman Insert/Gacha MightHave-MightNotHave ambiguity forces the story to treat the MC like they have no true repertoire or accumulation of notable skills. Of course, in the fore of my mind is **that** one particular moment at the end of Lostbelt 1 where Ritsuka just, forgets.... mystic code heal? command spell teleport? any support shadow servants? or even just general first aid triaging they surely would have picked up among the more treksome Singularities or Interludes. It just makes me so mad.
@ennearerier402 for fgo i feel like that started to change for the better around lb 6 only in ritsukas personal abilities no mystic code use to be seen
Hahaha, I would argue that female Ritsuka would be even stronger given how she gets compared to a Beast! I joke, but I’m reminded of a meme comparison. Gudao: Selfless puppy who can bring the best out in everybody. Gudako: Carefree delinquent who can cow even the most dangerous into submission.
I guess it`s important will we take Shirou from start of F/SN, or after finishing any of routes. First option will be troublesome, but second gives some very interesting options.
I’ve been wondering, with Atlas and Chaldea using Magecraft and technology in conjunction with one another, how far can that idea go? We know Mystic Codes can come in many forms, including everyday items. Could one make something like a mystic code smartphone? Or some other kind of mystic code made using modern technology? I can see that being VERY expensive, plus you would need the technological know-how to make such a thing if it is indeed possible.
To answer the cell phone question yes I can make a cellphone like mystic code Erice has one ( the pink hair strip) fate requiem basically answers this question due to magic becoming more wide spread
@@amari7782 I was thinking more along the lines of an actual smartphone being the mystic code in the modern era, not a phone-like mystic code like what Erice has.
@@one-eyedspider5965 outside of being a smart phone what else would it do cuz technically speaking that’s possible but what exactly would be the mystic code function? Overall I get what you mean now but what I’m more saying if it’s possible but you’d need to implement a magecraft into it
@@amari7782 It's more of a thought experiment really, how far could an ordinary mage go to implement their magecraft into technology? Mystic codes can do what the maker needs it to. Maybe with the tech aspect, they use the hardware for a 'base' function with the software for more flexibility in other functions? Not to the point where they could use the mystic code for everything, but maybe for more streamlining certain aspects of their magecraft? It could even help them blend into the modern day more easily, since nowadays just about everyone has a smartphone. Take out your smartphone that's really your mystic code out of your pocket and people would just think you're checking your messages or looking up something on the internet when you're actually looking at what's up with the leylines, or something along those lines. The tech used in FGO just got me thinking just how far you could take this idea. Chaldea was able to devise a form of time travel by using magecraft and technology together, but even then, they needed tech assistance from Atlas and a LOT of extra money from the United Nations. How far could a mage without that sort of help go with the concept? Especially since you would need to know how something like a smartphone or a computer (probably a laptop), including how coding works, to even attempt something like this. And that's not even accounting the problem with trying to make your own homebrew smartphone in the first place. Because I think you would get in a lot of legal trouble for doing so. Probably safer to make a mystic code computer and find a way to connect your regular smartphone to that rather than make a mystic code smartphone. Hopefully I wrote this well enough to get my thought process across, I'm pretty bad a that.
@@one-eyedspider5965 the weird thing is that what you’re asking for kinda goes more so in line with what code casting basically is. The answer is that Chaldea is the furthest you can get but if the statement is without outside help then it’s next to impossible
I haven't watched the video yet. But knowing his personality I don't think he'll survive for too long. I also don't think he would be able to work with servants as well ritsuka does.
People are talking about so many what ifs but they forget Shirou is a crappy Master. He was only able to summon Saber because he had Avalon, and Word of God claims he can summon a few others, but he could barely supply Saber enough mana TO REMAIN EXISTING, which suggests he lacks enough Master potential to even be scouted by Chaldea to begin with.
I don’t necessarily disagree. But Ritsuka’s in the same boat from a mana circuit perspective. Chaldea provides most of the mana required to summon/maintain his/her servants. His/her real winning trait is their maleable personality and ability to see the good in everyone… which I don’t necessarily think Shiro would do as well at.
The reason he couldnt provide mana was because it was a botched summoning. He wouldnt have that issue in Chaldea. All the mana is provided by Chaldea as well. As a Master he just has to be there. And unlike Ritsuka he can actually provide support instead of being fanfare. In UBW end he is basically a mini Servant.
@@DioDinero Shirou can do that as well. Ilya, Shinji, Kuzuki. He believed in all of them. And some tension between FGO MC and his Servants would be good for the story. A large part of Fate route is him arguing with Saber, in UBW Archer. Those parts made the story interesting. Ritsuka is bad only with npcs or enemy Servants that " wont be like that when summoned and they are definitely different now".
You seem to forget the reason Shirou couldn't supply Saber enough mana was because his magic circuits hadn't been opened because due to Kiritsugu purposely botching teaching Shirou about Magecraft, Shirou believed you had to make Magic Circuits for using Magecraft. Due to that, Shirou's Magic Circuits are like muscles he's not used for years. Had he not gotten screwed over by Kiritsugu, Shirou's Magic Circuits would like be in peak condition and able to supply Saber with more mana. (Granted not as much as Rin because of her Magic Crest and Rin being a juggernaut when it comes to having magical energy in her, but I digress. Shinji had a similar problem, I believe.) Given FGO happens a decade after the 5th HGW, that'd be a decade of Shirou properly taking care of his Magic Circuits to better support a Servant's prana needs. (This is all ignoring it's Chaldea doing the work of supplying mana to the Servants Ritsuka commands.)
@@rjfrost7090 Nasu pretty much confirmed he is just a subpar mage with very subpar circuits even when used at their full potential. It took his entire life for him to master Unlimited Blade Works to the point he could use it without rebound. Also, we’d then have to enter into specifics of how exactly Shirou fought in the grail war, since even in Stay Night he obtains his boost in abilities in different ways (Fate is the standard opening of the circuits and being taught the normal way, UBW is memory osmosis, and HF he was just using a Servant’s arm).
Shirou's need to be a hero and save everyone would either get him killed or he has a mental breakdown by the end of the Salem Singularity at the latest. Definitely gonna need some counseling if he makes it to Lost Belt 6 and survives. Maybe I'm not giving him enough credit, or maybe it's my negative bias since I don't really like Shirou, but I don’t see him handling things quite as well as Ritsuka.
It honestly depends on what shirou we are talking about. If we are talking about shirou before the 5th HGW or at the beggining then I agree, if we're talking about after the 5th HGW then I disagree on him dying especially since depending on how much time passed after the war he can fight against servants and not die immediatly. I also see shirou summoning saber artoria or a version of artoria relativly quickly and early on and since chaldea would be supplying mana to her they prolly breeze through at least the first 2 if not 3 singularity's
I dont think Mash and Shirou would get on too well (I know this might cause rage) but Mash and Fujimaru get along well (and most of his Servants too) is because he is Human and feels and emotes similarly to a Human. Ritsuka hates making the shitty choice. They will throw themselves headlong into danger because of the fact they have no choice, not for some magical dream. and all they want to do is live and go home. Shirou on the other hand especially the Prime Version of him might honestly be closer in principle to Archer and chases the idea of Utopia insanely, if this Utopia Shirou was given the choice to stand with Goetia they honestly might as a way to achieve the future that he so desperately wants. I also expect that his Journey would be similar to Wodimes where the Team A/B constantly gets killed and he has to live with that. Probably knowing Shirou he pushes himself to the Absolute limit and becomes another Nameless (I don't want to say EMIYA because I honestly think he would end up as some form of Beast)
To be fair, its a crack fic plus the author was just having some fun, it’s like a parody. That being said the writing is weird and the grammar sucks. But the idea of Shirou becoming a servant and being summoned is much better than him being a master.
@@subcommanderxelios800 The "crack fic" was added as an excuse to not get criticized because it's too OOC, bro what did they do to shirou? What did they do to a lot of the female servants specifically ereshkigal? Then there's Ritsuka. Fucking Ritsuka. Somehow got worse character than he is in the game. Like how? I can't, the amount of shirou wanking, dick riding in the fanfic is insane.
@@subcommanderxelios800 it's more than just a crack fic It's a total slander to every character that became meat toys for author personal Shirou harem. Not just pure disgust but utter BS. This crack fic made every Saberfaces, Rinfaces, Sakurafaces, became nothing more than dolls and puppets that are made to blindly love to a guy that they have nothing to do. Even distant characters like MHX and Space Ishtar are being put up into this ultimate crap.
@@rogueascendant6611 Yeah, now that I think about it good point. I wish somebody would write the scenario/story idea how it should be. Its a good concept to write about for sure, but it needs to be handled properly (nitpick: Shirou should where his OUS archer install outfit since it looks similar to Muramasa’s and because it looks cooler).
@@rogueascendant6611 it was labled as a crackfic, and pretty much all of the events in it were completely nonsensical purposely. its nothing better then what grand order fans already make of the female characters sadly
Depends on the Shirou, but while the Lost Belts are gonna be iffy, part 1 he's clearing far better than Ritsuka. Everyone when this topic comes up always brings up the aspect of Ritsuka's charisma and recruiting allies, but to be honest, he isn't really all that charismatic and most of the allies he gets, Shirou would too, if not do better in some cases. And they're overlooking one massive facet. As a master of Chaldea, Shirou is getting mana straight from Chaldea itself. He'd be like Miyu-verse Shirou with the abundance of mana. Add that with the mystic code outfits and him being capable of spamming UBW and it's a clear. This isn't just a Shirou that would have to use his weapons himself, but a Shirou that could be literally handing out Broken Phantasms and shit to other servants like Mash to blast everything in their path. Most of the bad ends people whine about come from choices Shirou wouldn't actually make in those situations, so have no baring either.
Ritsuka is *very* charismatic. Both Guda are. It’s not in an intentional way however. They naturally draw others towards them, and are genius level masters towards the end of part 1
yeah see the problem with that is that shirou is a good servant but he is most definitely not a good master his reserves are already on the low side but he also already uses the small reserves he has to fight a masters most important duty is not to engage in battle if not directly nececarry both to feed the servant mana so they do not weaken and so not to endanger themselves since the master of the 2 is always the weak link and the FGO protagonist doesn't just have 1 servant but multiple to combat the multiple servant in other singularies/lostbelts. Even if we consider his abilities shirou as a teen is not all that strong his only real accomplishment was beating gilgamesh when he wasn't taking shirou seriously and only did so around the end but at that point shirou was too close. the difference between shirou and a full powered servant is simply too great.
His reserves dont matter because Ritsuka is providing the Servants with mana from chaldea anyway. Shirou is far stronger than Ritsuka even at the beginning of FSN. If Ritsuka can pick up a shield and attack Goetia then Shirou can do that as well.
Yeah just looked it up ritsukas magic circuits sucked ass also fgo isn't about the master fighting the enemies but the servants fighting them just because shirou is stronger does not mean he would be able to deal with the situation better FGO is not in need of a hero there is a ton of them and shirou would not even count as top 10 much less top 50 it needs a strategist which is what ritsuka is.
@@ssjokg4952 that's basically what his duty is he is meant to lead servants into battle and command them sometimes supporting them either through command seals or spells but long and short of it he is behind a servant lending mana and waiting for an opportunity to help or advise. Gonna be honest shirou probably wouldn't even survive singularity F the way he tries to save everyone.
@@darklight998 love how Ritsuka suddenly is top class strategist and Shirou just rushes to save everyone when he did that 3 times in the entirety of FSN. But okay.
I just wanna know how he kills Tiamat in this hypothetical because if Tiamat gets buffed by the verse to counter Emiya for whatever reason we might genuinely be in trouble considering the amount of BS it took to beat her normally. Like yo we had to cheat so fucking hard to win it’s not even funny like if I’m not wrong we had potentially two grand servants being King Hassan and Merlin, a frankly absurd number of divine spirits like I think it was four or five, two Gilgamesh’s and Mash and even with that we barely won hell in the anime if I’m not wrong Tiamat let herself die and isn’t Tiamat literally incapable of using more than 50% of her power because of something or another so like what if the buff Tiamat get is that she isn’t nerfed and is bloodlusted like how do we win that? It should be noted all things I said are based on the anime variation of Babylonia not the game. Also I don’t know a lot about the games so if some of my information is wrong please kindly correct and don’t like shout at me about how I’m stupid and got like nothing right.
Yeah, that doesn’t really count since nasu considers them different characters thanks to fsn. Besides we might as well not acknowledge the existence of fsn if that’s what you are going for.
Here an idea what if emiya is fgo mc. Hear is thestory summary Shirou just made a deal with alaya he manage to stop the nuclear plant from exploding, on his way home he stummble a cross a add for chaldea master recruite. When he got home he discuss this with rin and decided to apply to chaldea. That is my idea what would you think would happened
Shirou is too rigid and self sacrificing for this. Thats even if he gets pass Saber Alter in Singularity F. Heracles in the 3rd and Solomon in the fourth. I see him dying in the 6th singularity with the KOTR or Ozzy. Though seeing his reaction to Taiga in the 7th would be hilarious
True but remember this video talks about old shirou specifically 11 years in the after the grail war He had time to chill with rin at the clock tower Be part time enforcer and some time with the excutors where he got his holy shroud frim that one chick So he got enough experience to be in a team and mature
Remind everyone that: -There are almost more than hundred of friendly Servants who lost their lives -Countless innocent life lost upon our "victories" -Dozens of extreme dangerous Servants who won't hestiate to use their full power. These sound unacceptable to Shirou. Not to mention, Rin isn't there and Mash still too naive to know how to stop an impulsive Shirou (he will completely ignore Romani and Da Vinci's advice) One last thing: the situation has changed. It's A Master with some Servants vs bunches of Masterless Servants.
FINALLY someone with a COMMON SENSE. This Shirou fanboys never shut up with their delusions. Whatever Tsiah IV is doing. I am WARNING this fellow Fate fan that do not make a what if or analysis on this subject. FGO and Shirou never works well. As someone who read the context and watch the anime. Shirou is a reckless main character that would blatantly ignore the advice from others for the sake of saving someone. The Lostbelt arc would break him and end the story before it begun. So Tsiah IV, if you read this, stop this nonsense and moved on to another topics.
Same as in Hollow Ataraxia. Same as Heavens Feel or Hell, again, Hollow Ataraxia. Why do you think that matters when were not in a city a majority of the time with no people and were busting out high powered NP's on the daily in a fight? Also why wouldn't Rin or the like be there? Shirou would also be teaching Mashu. He would see her similar to Artoria. Cu Caster would also talk to Shirou on letting Mashu really come into her own. Hell, the original concept for Mashu was a Stray Servant in F/SN that was scraped and recontextualized for FGO. Why would he ignore Da Vinci and Romani? He's actually more likely to listen to them then Ritsuka who ignored them to save lives that wouldn't matter. Hell it takes Gilgamesh during Babylonian telling us the people who died stay dead. Just how they die change. We never actually see Shirou or Hell, EMIYA save people. We more see EMIYA Alter and EMIYA killing people trying to help others but not even knowing if he is. The only version we see do so is Fate/Extra version and the CCC ending with him helping people out during the fucked situation that is Fate/Extra. How does that last point even remotely matter? Shirou had no problem killing Servants. Hell, he had no problem using Cu, or fighting alongside of Medusa. Herc he kills with Artoria easy when they worked together.
There is it’s, called Fate Sword Order. It’s probably the best depiction of Shirou as a Chaldea master. He applied all his lessons from fsn and didn’t make the same mistakes as before. He was even able to take on the blackened archer for a while.
The one thing I feel like is that the Lostbelts would break Shirou mentally. His mentality is to save everyone and being forced to kill billions of people multiple times to save Proper Human History would betray his ideals and do a number on his psyche. I imagine he would turn out as the Mind of Steel Shirou or possibly something much scarier.
Shirou facing the lostbelts would absolutely destroy him. Like even if it was kind of steel if he encountered a world with a comparable population or was living a better life then he might just let them win
This is an unpopular opinion, but Ritsuka is probably the best Master for the FGO situation. Not because he's the best character, but because he's so dull and milquetoast with such basic inclinations he doesn't risk offending great heroes, villains, devils, gods and beasts as the nexus of these interactions. You have to be the most unremarkable nonce to be able to appear as a non-threat and without misgivings towards ethical compromise. Shirou is his own person to such a degree that he didn't even get along with his own Servant at an ideological level ... and they were basically SOULMATES.
Great video but one aspect that I was curious about is how would Shirou's potential to contract with servants influence the story compared to Ritsuka? Because Ritsuka's accepting nature allows him to contract with so many servants and I just dont feel Shirou's hardened principles would allow him to do the same. I do think some element of the counterforce and many of FGO servants' own will to protect/preserve humanity would kick in to allow Shirou to contract with more servants more than his base Stay/Night self would, but we are very likely looking at a smaller Chaldea servant wise with him. Then again, the video explains why this buffed up Shirou wouldn't exactly need to lean on servants as much as Ritsuka does lol
I honestly don't think he makes it past Part 1. Goeita was expecting a hero, someone who believed he was out there to save everyone. The whole reason he failed was he couldn't fathom why Ritsuka was going so far, because Ritsuka wasn't a hero. Instead he wanted to just live to see tomorrow. That simple selfish disconnect in mentality is why Goeita lost among the help Ritsuka received. If Shirou fought Goeita his power wouldn't mean much, because in the end it be just what the Demon God had been expecting the whole time. Something within his level of reason and within his means to defeat.
Well that and he didn't even consider them a threat. Like Kirei brings up to Muramasa: "Do you expect a rock you walked over on a path to jump up and hit you?". He actually wasn't expecting any resistance at all. To live was simply Ritsuka's reason. A completely normal and human reason. Same as Shirou's reason to just get everything back. Shirou's too bullheaded to actually care what reason Goeita would give is the problem. Same with his talks with Gilgamesh. This also ignores the actual power that helped was Servants fighting every other part of Goeita, splitting up the focus and just keep coming back to fight. We already know Shirou would push himself to fight and over come. The mirror image mentality Goeita had while speaking to the different Servants like Hans or Mordred didn't really apply here when he became his own person. It just be the slugfest we see between him and Kirei. He wouldn't survive not because he was some hero or something dumb like that, but because he just dies. Well, maybe since he doesn't have Archers arm turning him into that and deteriorating his body. The actual crux of this is does Shirou have enough Servants come to his aid during Solomon chapter to fight? If not, everything fucked, if so he might very well just live easy since it be far more justifiable that he physically can survive then a normal human. Like it takes the movie adding in stuff to explain why Ritsuka did when he picked up Mashu's shield. Gilgamesh granting him power, Servants helping him survive, boosting ampoles, Command Seals used on himself and so on. I don't actually see how some hero themeing bullshit matters when it was literally the power of bonds that won.
@@RavenCloak13 Well I wouldn't say so, the movie plays in more on the bond element however, in the end. Goeita could have planned for the Servants, hell Nega summon has far more relevance in the game fight as it explains why Ritsuka had to slug Goeita down in the end. Ritsuka won because he was overestimated, which is exactly how Goetia says. He planned completely for one thing and got the exact opposite. Yes the servants assisted, but it devalue the only reason they are there is because Ritsuka is the person that they are. It all relies upon the one person and their mentality. Its why that mentality is what is challenge going into the Lostbelts and is declared the right one in Lostbelt 5. To say otherwise goes against the very narrative set up, the movie is its own continuity and wouldn't rewrite what has been already set up. Ritsuka didn't need that extra assistance in the main continuity. Mentality is far more the big issue as thats what sets up which of the Crypters could actually go the distance and why a lot actually fail.
Shiro is a character who is unable to follow advice, furthermore in singularities he would not be capable of having the mental elasticity which he instead possesses, who sometimes follows plans such as escape, as the FGO master does instead, as he is rigid in his beliefs, furthermore we must not forget some of his beliefs such as on Saber etc., the character of Shiro is the protagonist where he is allowed for the events, but outside of these he is a foreign element or even harmful or useful depending on the cases of the story of FGO.
If Ristsuka was the protagonist of Fate Stay Night. I don’t think it would end for him well, because he would get killed or tortured,since Fate Stay Night was darker than FGO. I mean he had to deal with Gilgamesh almost killing him, Archer almost killing him and Kirei almost killing him, or being dead completely. Ilyla would torture Ristsuka as a doll.
Just a random idea Could you do a don't sleep on for Manaka Sajyou? She's one of the most overpowered characters in the franchise but isn't talked about a lot
What did you mean by Chaldea going against Shirou’s goal of saving people? It’s been a while since I’ve looked at the story of FGO, but isn’t the whole point that they are trying to save humanity?
Hey, all the protagonist switching places was my idea. Well Sieg went to fgo but still! Jokes aside this is a pretty fun discussion, for Shirou in particular I hope we see fate extra next
Here is my question: ¿Could there be a possibility that Charlemagne is actually a Pseudo-Servant in FGO who is using the body of a Ritsuka post-times skip? Since the design of both are too similar.
@@blaneonthemoon2507 Bro, we are actually about the Nasuverse and the whole universe of Fate in general with all the timelines and stuff like that. A lot of crazy things can happens in other timelines if in this one doesn’t happens, so nothing would just leave as an mere theory.
I love Shirou, I really do but the boy can stay his ass in Fate\staynight. No way am I losing gramps just to make Shirou suffer even more than he already has.
The fact that FGo and the nasuverse community doesn’t acknowledge Shirou’s existence as a character and is replaced by archer and muramasa is absurd. If he is ever going have some form of respect he going to need to suffer, there is no other way.
@@subcommanderxelios800 which Shirou did you have in mind, the one from Fate, Heaven’s feel, or UBW? Cause they all are Shirou but they undergo vast changes due to their respective arcs. So if you are looking for true Shirou then it would be the one with barely any development.
@@thesilverbeast6092 The most truest form of Shirou is a composite shirou, one that recognizes the flaws of his ideals but stives for them anyway. Is willing to do things that go against them because it’s nessesary. Taking Shirou and splitting them into 3-4 separate peoples is not a good idea. That would only butcher his character as a whole.
@@subcommanderxelios800 If I recall correctly, there’s already a story being worked with that composite Shirou you’ve mentioned. No one knows which route he is from if he’s even from any of them at all so a lot of his abilities and growth from stay-night are relatively unknown.
@@thesilverbeast6092 I’d just assume he can do baseline projection/tracing like kanshou and Bakuya as well as using rho aias. Even reinforcement. I pretty sure he can do that without draining his mana too quickly.
I think the big issue is that Shirou would fail to forge the bonds necessary for Temple of Time. None of Team A would have been able to make it to part 2 confirmed by Nasu. Also Olga was killed in the explosion in the command room.
If Shirou at the start of FSN is the MC, he straight up dies in Fuyuki if not in the bomb Lev setup that imma be real. If it's the end of each route instead, then he's hardstopping at London with Goetia appearing and just straight up killing him.
@@TsiahIVpeople are always using Shirou at his weakest point ignoring his character development in all three routes. I don’t know if these people hate him not.
Bruh did u not listen to the vid? This shirou is plucked at the time he is nearing his peak 11 years AFTER the grail war At this point in time he literally worked as a merc An enforcer and an executor where he got his shroud He be like archer before he got CF but better since he didnt follow archer's ideals
@@davidalacabo4298 Assuming he joined the HGW in FGO's 2004, then he's dead considering Solomon and Marisbury killed all other participants. But assuming FSN and FGO merged timelines for some reason, then he will straight up die from Lev's bomb.
Now i want to see how all the mbti personalities would work out, like who would be the best master? Who would handle the servants best? Who would survive the story best? Upvote please i now want to know how he sees it going down.
Okay now im just confused Why do a lot of people here are using the shirou at the start of the routes in their comments when it is specifically said that this shirou that is replacing gudao is him 11 years after the grail war Like yall talking like the dude wont ever get character development in those 11 years and still be the dumb reckless dude at the start of FSN which isnt even that true cause the only reason he charged in cause someone was about to die and it was three times Like ritsuka tried to take a lightning bolt for barghest in lb6 i believe and he did some reckless stuff too iirc
Though if Shirou was in Chaldea (presumably as one of their experienced Masters) then wouldn't he be seen as comparable to the members of Tean A? In which case wouldn't the evil Speedwagon looking demon thing want to take care of Shirou before he becomes a problem? I mean the whole reason they didn't kill the original MC was because they probably thought that a weak mage like them couldn't possibly accomplish anything and wasn't even worth the effort. However if this hypothetical Shirou was in their place then wouldn't he be seen as more of a threat? Idk I just feel like there are some details and technicalities that might be a factor.
@@TsiahIV Whatever you are doing. I am WARNING as a fellow Fate fan that do not make a what if or analysis on this subject any longer. FGO and Shirou never works well. As someone who read the context and watch the anime. Shirou is a reckless main character that would blatantly ignore the advice from others for the sake of saving someone. The Lostbelt arc would break him and end the story before it begun. So Tsiah IV, if you read this, stop this nonsense and moved on to another topic.
Shirou would be sad, because he would summon a servants who look like his dead friends. Although, he would talking more with saber, because she's more familiar with him. And Medusa, Cu chullain, Emiya, berserker, that blue samurai, Medea, Gilgamesh, Heracles, already know shirou, so would be cool for him.
Here's my take on "What if Shirou was SUMMONED in FGO" Servant: Shirou Emiya Secondary Spirit: Ajax Origin: Greek Mythology Tertiary Spirit: Belenus Origin: Celtic Mythology Rank: 4 Stars Class: Archer Cards: 2 Arts 1 Buster 2 Quick Strength: B+ Agility: C++ Luck: B Endurance: A Mana: B NP: EX Skills 1. Projection C+: Increase Arts Card Effectiveness, NP Gain, and C. Star Drop Rate (5 Turns). 1. Trace On A: Increase NP Gauge (1 Time), Increase QAB Card Effectiveness, NP Gain, and C. Star Drop Rate (6 Turns). 2. Iron Body D: Increase own DEF (5 Turns). 2. Rho Aias A: Apply Invincible to Self (1 Turn) and Evade to Self (5 Turns). 3. Unnatural Healing C: Recover own HP (5 Times, 5 Turns). 3. Flames of Restoration A: Recover own HP, and Apply Flame to Self (5 Turns). 3. Sheath of Avalon EX: Fully Recover all HP, Apply Flame to Self, and Remove all Debuffs (10 turns). Passive Skills Riding C Magic Resistance B Debuff Resistance A Independent Action B Divinity B Body of Blades A: Increase ATK/DEF (10/5% Each Turn) and Decrease DEF by 10% Each Turn. Noble Phantasm NP Type: Arts NP Rank: E-A+ NP Name: Unlimited Blade Works (I did the same for the other Masters) Servant: Rin Tohsaka Secondary Spirit: Brigid Origin: Celtic Mythology Rank: 4 Stars Class: Caster Cards: 2 Arts 1 Quick 2 Buster Strength: C++ Agility: B++ Luck: A Endurance: C Mana: A++ NP: A++ Skills 1. Mana Burst (Gem/Special) A: Increase ATK after 1 Turn, Raise NP Gauge. 2. Rapid Words of Divine C: Increase NP Gauge. 2. Magecraft Prodigy A+: Increase Arts Card Effectiveness (5 Turns) and Raise NP Gauge. 3. Chalice of Heaven C: Increase own HP, and NP Strength for all Allies (3 Turns) and Increase own NP Gauge (1 Time). 3. Divine Craftsmanship B: Increase HP, NP Strength, and Arts Card Effectiveness for all Allies (6 Turns) and Increase NP Gauge (1 Time). 3. Voice of the Goddess EX: Increase All Allies’ NP Gauge (50%), NP Strength, HP Bar, and ATK (8 Turns). Raise NP Bar (1 Time). Passive Skills Divine Core of The Goddess A Divinity A Item Creation A Territory Creation A++ Magic Resistance A+ Debuff Resistance A++ Reinforcement A: Increase ATK by 5% per Turn. Hard Puncher B Noble Phantasm NP Type: Arts NP Rank: A+ NP Name: Jeweled Sword of Zelretch Increase Arts Card Effectiveness, NP Strength, and Ignore ALL forms of Defense (1 Turn). Servant: Sakura Tohsaka Secondary Spirit: Cernuous Origin: Celtic Mythology Tertiary Spirit: Nephthys Origin: Egyptian Mythology Rank: 4 Stars Class: Caster Cards: 3 Arts 1 Buster 1 Quick Strength: D++ Agility: D Luck: B Endurance: C+ Mana: EX NP: EX Skills 1. Protection of The Grail A: Apply Invincibility to Self (1 Turn) and Increase DEF (5 Turns). 2. Madness of the Spirits A: Decrease ATK and C. Strength for all Enemies (5 Turns). 2. Unquenchable Hatred EX: Decrease ATK, C. Strength, and Apply Curse and Disastrous Curse for all Enemies (12 Turns). 3. Protection of the Holy Grail C: Raise Arts Card Effectiveness and NP Strength for all Allies (3 Turns) and Raise NP Gauge (1 Time). 3. Guardian of the Forest B: Raise Arts Card Effectiveness, NP Strength, and Apply Debuff Resistance to all Allies (6 Turns). Raise NP Bar. 3. Protection of the Land A+: Apply Invincible (4 Turns) and Increase NP Gain Rate for all Allies (12 Turns). Passive Skills Divine Core of the Goddess A++ Divinity A+ Item Construction A+ Magic Resistance A+++ Debuff Resistance A+++ Connection to the Grail A Noble Phantasm NP Type: Arts NP Rank: B+ NP Name: Eyes of Insanity Apply Curse, Disastrous Curse, Stun, Skill Seal and Decay to All Enemies (10 Turns). Decay: Prevent Opponents from Healing in any way, shape, or form. Servant: Illyasviel von Einzburn Secondary Spirit: Morana Origin: Slavic Mythology Tertiary Spirit: Apis Origin: Egyptian Mythology Rank: 4 Stars Class: Caster Cards 3 Arts 1 Buster 1 Quick Strength: E Agility: D Luck: B++ Endurance: C Mana: A++ NP: A Skills 1. Distant Thoughts B: Apply Guts and Invincible to Self (1 Time, 3 Turns). 1. Winter’s Renewal A: Apply Guts, Invincible, and Increase DEF for Self (5 Times, 5 Turns). 2. Natural Body B: Increase own ATK, Debuff Resistance and Recover own HP (3 Turns). 2. Perfect Homunculus A+: Apply Debuff Immunity for Self (5 Turns). Raise NP Bar. 3. Winter’s Will C: Raise Arts Card Effectiveness (4 Turns). 3. Ravenous Rebirth A: Apply Guts to Self (5 Times, 5 Turns). 3. Child Born of the Grail EX: Raise Arts Card Effectiveness, NP Strength, and gain C. Stars (5 Turns). Raise NP Bar. Passive Skills Core of the Goddess A++ Divinity A Connection to the Root A Magic Resistance A+++ Debuff Resistance A+++ Disguise Creation EX Good Luck Charm EX Connection to the Grail A Noble Phantasm NP Type: Arts NP Rank: B NP Name: Hailstorm Fertilization Stun all Enemies (5 Turns). Servant: Souichirou Kuzuki Secondary Spirit: Thanatos Origin: Greek Mythology Tertiary Spirit: Hecate Origin: Greek Mythology Rank: 5 Stars Class: Assassin Cards: 2 Quick 2 Buster 1 Arts Strength: A Agility: B Luck: B Endurance: A Mana: A NP: A Skills 1. Encounter in the Rain B: Raise C. Strength, and Star Drop Rate (3 Turns). Gain C. Stars. 2. Eternal Dedication A: Increase C. Strength for all Allies. (3 Turns). Gain C. Stars. 2. Art of the Phantom Fist EX: Massively Increase C. Strength and C. Star Drop Rate for all Allies (5 Turns). Gain a large amount of C. Stars. 3. Mind’s Eye (Fake) B: Apply Evade to Self (1 Turn) and Increase C. Strength (3 Turns). 3. Ancient Magic (Fist) A+: Increase Buster and Quick Card Effectiveness (5 Turns). 3. Way of the Assassin EX: Inhuman Martial Arts EX: Greatly increase C. Strength (6 Turns) and Raise NP Bar. Passive Skills Presence Concealment A Primitive Body A (False) Riding C Divinity B+++ Hard Puncher EX Debuff Resistance B Independent Action EX Noble Phantasm NP Type: Buster NP Rank: A NP Name: Fist From Beyond the Grave Apply Instant Death to one Target, Increase Buster Card Effectiveness, and Increase C. Strength (1 Turn). Servant: Kotomine Kirei Secondary Spirit: Thor Origin: Norse Mythology Tertiary Spirit: Loki Origin: Norse Mythology Rank: 5 Stars Class: Berserker Cards: 2 Buster 2 Arts 1 Quick Strength: A++ Agility: A Luck: A Endurance: A++ Mana: A NP EX Skills 1. Protection of the Faith A: Increase Debuff Resistance, ATK and DEF (3 Turns). Recover own HP (1 Turn). 1. God-given Strength EX: Increase Buster Card Effectiveness, ATK, DEF, Debuff Resistance, and Recover HP (5 Turns). 2. Mysterious Magecraft B: Increase Arts Card Effectiveness (3 Turns). Change NP to either Arts or Buster. 2. Primordial Magic A++: Increase QAB Card Effectiveness, C. Strength, NP Gain, and C. Star Drop Rate for all Allies (7 Turns). 3. Thunderous Rage B: Increase Buster Card Effectiveness, C. Strength, and C. Star Drop Rate for Self (5 Turns). 3. Fenrir’s Fury A: Deal Increased DMG against Beast and Beastly-Type Enemies (6 Turns). 3. Chalice of Chaos EX: Increase NP Strength, NP Gain Rate, and Arts Card Effectiveness (10 Turns). Raise NP Bar (100%). Passive Skills Insanity EX Connection to the Root A+ Divinity EX Hard Puncher EX Independent Action EX Debuff Resistance EX Territory Creation EX Divine Knowledge of Runes EX: GREATLY Increase Arts Card Effectiveness Item Construction EX Self-Restoration (Magical Energy) EX Rapid Casting A+ Presence Concealment A Morph A Noble Phantasm NP Type: Arts/Buster NP Rank: EX NP Name: Yggdrasilus Mjolnirus Bifrostis Increase NP Strength, Arts/Buster Card Effectiveness, and C. Star Drop Rate for Self (10 Turns).
I’d rather see Shirou become a demi-servant in FGO rather than a master. For example another class of muramasa in which Shirou is in control; an archer (it’s the only class that makes sense, not sure why someone would want him to be a caster, he isn’t a wizard).
Long story short: Shirou is not mentally prepared to handle the events of FGO. Think of all the worse events that Ritsuka witnessed and put shirou in them. His mind would break sooner or later if his body didn't. Examples: Camelot Babylonia Salem All of the Lostbelts, especially LB6
If i were to guess, he wouldn't last long like the Team A. Because Shirou understands and opposes evil while Ritsuka understands but doesn't allow that to cloud his judgements .
Giving that the main reason Shirou survives the first night of FSN is because of Avalon, without it he would have died due to his self sacrifice I mean, canonically speaking Ritsuka Fujimaru is the only master capable of solving the Incineration of Human History and the Lostbelts, so Shirou would inevitably die eventually
That... is just false, both Wodime and Daybit are literally CONFIRMED to be able to do everything Ritsuka did, but even BETTER, since they did it without the help of Chaldea and Daybit(To avoid spoilers I'll be vague) did it with an even more impressive restriction.
@@aaravgaur7and most of the crypters except those two would've died. Didn't Marisbury intended to just nuke the singularities with the crypters using the Sirius light.
@@aaravgaur7 you are not 100% wrong but this is shirou we are talking about, he would throw away his life just to save random npc. And without saber/avalon around he is 100% screwed.
@@ikram1572I mean true, but... my point still stands, other mages COULD have done it, I think it would be hard, but I kinda don't doubt that at least a few clock tower mages(Such as Tohsaka, El-Melloi, Flat etc.) have the potential to at least clear the singularities.
Tthere are so many servants Shirou would *not* get along with. That'd count against him. Many of said servants? They'd piss him off, and he'd piss them off with his mindset. Some of those servants would not answer the call to begin with.
