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'Ilm-ul-Kalaam: Using Philosophy & Logic in Da'wah | Abdulrahman Hassan & Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari 

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🗣 ‘Ilm-ul-Kalam (Knowledge of Theological Rhetoric), a discipline that searches for answers to creedal issues using logic and philosophy, has become a very popular means of giving Da'wah to non-Muslims.
A reminder and advice to all those involved in da'wah and debates.
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19.For indeed, (indulging in) theological rhetoric (kalaam) in [22] the matter of Qadar, the Ru’yah, the Qur’aan and other such issues are among the ways that are detested and which are forbidden.
20. The one Who does so, even if he reaches the truth with his words, is not from Ahlus-Sunnah, until he abandons (using) this mode of argumentation, [and until he] submits and believes in the aathaar (the Prophetic Narrations and those of the Companions [23]
Footnotes:
[22] Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said,
“My ruling regarding the people of theological rhetoric is that they should be beaten with palm leaves and shoes and be paraded amongst the kinsfolk and the tribes with it being announced, ‘This is the reward of the one who abandons the Book and the Sunnah and turns to theological rhetoric (kalaam).”
Sharh ‘AqeedatitTahaawiyyah of lbn Abil-’Izz, p. 75.
Ibn ‘Abdul-Barr said,
“The people of Fiqh and Aathaar in all the various towns and cities are agreed unanimously that the Ahlul-Kalaam (People of Theological Rhetoric) are (but) Ahlul-Bida’ waz-Zaigh (the People of Innovations and Deviation). And they are not considered, by all of the above, to be amongst the ranks of the Scholars (in truth).”
Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan.
Imaam ash-Shaafi’ee (d. 204H) said,
“That a person is put to trial with everything that Allaah has forbidden, besides Shirk, is better than that he looks at Kalaam (theological rhetoric).” He also said, “If people knew what (misleading and destructive) desires are contained within theological rhetoric they would certainly flee from it as they would from a lion,”
he also said,
“Whoever showed boldness in approaching theological rhetoric will never prosper.”
Reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan.
One of the Scholars of ash-Shaash said:
“Every knowledge save that of the Qur’aan is a pre-occupation
Except for the Hadeeth and Fiqh (understanding) of the Deen
Knowledge is only that about which it is said,
‘Haddathanaa …‘ (So and so narrated to us)
And what is besides that
Are but whisperings of the Shayaateen (devils)”
Aboo Yoosuf, the companion of Aboo Haneefah said,
“Whoever sought knowledge by kalaam (theological rhetoric) will turn a heretical apostate,” and Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241H) said, “The person of theological rhetoric will never prosper. And never do you see anyone looking into theological rhetoric except that in his heart is a desire for creating mischief.”
Both narrations are reported by Ibn Qudaamah in his Burhaan fee Bayaanil-Qur’aan.
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@AzaK154
@AzaK154 3 года назад
Ustad Abdur Rahman/Ustad Abu Mus'ab a long overdue power house combo... May Allaah عزوجل preserve you both!
@sjsisdhdjdkssosjdhxnx
@sjsisdhdjdkssosjdhxnx 2 года назад
Two of the giants of Western Salafiyya
@pyourdeen8299
@pyourdeen8299 2 года назад
I was going to specialize in aqeedah nd philosophy nd Sufism with logic.. But Alhmdulillah i found this video.
@youragronk6208
@youragronk6208 Год назад
This is literally the closest call I've eve heard of
@ExtremeShez
@ExtremeShez 10 месяцев назад
Alhumdulillah. May Allah bless you with beneficial knowledge.
@ToHimWeWillBeReturned
@ToHimWeWillBeReturned 7 месяцев назад
Alhamdulillah, Allah has blessed you immensely.
@_FarisSharif_
@_FarisSharif_ 3 года назад
18:04 Allahuma Baarik,It really shows the humbleness of Ustadh Abdur Rahman Hassan
@kenmiles23
@kenmiles23 Год назад
17:22 i agree...
@youssef.sarhan
@youssef.sarhan Год назад
I once heard, you can tell the competency and trustworthiness of a imam/scholar/laymen, based on how frequently he backups up his claims with verses from the Quran and narrations from authentic Sunnah.
@adamadams8271
@adamadams8271 3 года назад
Man this is a great video. Barakallahu feekum. Straight to the point, based on Qur'an and Sunnah and the understanding of the Salaf. If they take the dawah then alhamdulillah and if they dont then Allah Created Jahanam for a reason. We are not gonna water down anything from the religion. Alhamdulillah for Islam
@shahzadahmadmir
@shahzadahmadmir 3 года назад
The Shaykh hit the nail on the head 14:57. So straightforward and so convincing.
@Inspire_sagi
@Inspire_sagi 3 года назад
From The Gambia, West Africa. May ALLAH preserve you both. Aameen!
@thepromiseistrue1552
@thepromiseistrue1552 3 года назад
Which of the cities have majority salafis?
@Muslimah18
@Muslimah18 3 года назад
Aameen
@abdoulieceesay3627
@abdoulieceesay3627 3 года назад
Ameeeen
@abdoulieceesay3627
@abdoulieceesay3627 3 года назад
Which part of Gambia do you live
@abdoulieceesay3627
@abdoulieceesay3627 3 года назад
@Nfamara Ceesay from where
@busufyan
@busufyan 2 года назад
Still watching this a whole year later 🤲
@nasraqaali7050
@nasraqaali7050 2 года назад
Same
@abdulmuhaymin5253
@abdulmuhaymin5253 2 года назад
Wallahi Ustadd I try to educate my friends about Islam through solely Qur’an and Sunnah and I try my best to learn extra knowledge whenever I can. Ilm Ul Kalam is very dangerous and your point was very powerful when Muhammed alayhi as-salām said to his companions only one group will enter and they asked who is that ? And Rasoolullah answered whoever follows me and my companions will enter paradise and we know the Sahaba never used Ilm Ul Kalam for Da’wah
@samsamali4187
@samsamali4187 3 года назад
May Allah reward you two with jannah firdaws ameen - when I hear people disagreeing with this it reminds me that Islam started strange and it will end with being strange, so glad tiding to the strangers..
@aboeAimen
@aboeAimen 3 года назад
Some Muslims have fallen into this disease. May Allah protect us al amin.
@Iconoclast601
@Iconoclast601 3 года назад
If you want to know What philosophy and philosophers can do to A Momin , Look Yasir Qadhi. May Allah SWT save us from this fitna and it's people.
@ahlulhadith6367
@ahlulhadith6367 3 года назад
Asalamu alaikum Oreientalism has effected him and also the liberal fusaaq/murtads are having an effect on YQ. May Allah guide us and him
@YusifM411
@YusifM411 3 года назад
@@ahlulhadith6367 it’s kinda sad he could’ve been super smart with all the places he’s studied Medina and the scholars and stuff I think he also studied under ibn uthaymeen
@ahlulhadith6367
@ahlulhadith6367 3 года назад
@@YusifM411 Asalamu alaikum Yeah he has so potential. It's sad. The fitna of the west is indeed severe
@willienilliemcnamara1236
@willienilliemcnamara1236 3 года назад
And ur surprised that ppl leave islam?? smh, walla u scholars live in ur own bubbles, ppl will leave Islam, and instead of helping them come back to Islam, u make it easier for them to leave, Wallah u ppl are living in the past instead of addressing the issues of the day. smh
@ahlulhadith6367
@ahlulhadith6367 3 года назад
@@willienilliemcnamara1236 Asalamu alaikum I don't know who your referring to as scholars but we're not scholars. How do we make it easier for people to leave Islam. Who said scholars and duaat are not addressing the issues of today. Listen to the thousands of videos and lectures and you will see them addressing these issues. May Allah bless you and increase you.
@usmanhamid9583
@usmanhamid9583 Год назад
Jasakallah Khiran May Allah preserve your knowledge and keep us upon guidance. Very informative conversation
@Goodborni
@Goodborni 3 года назад
We need more of Ustadh Abdulrahman Hassan here again please brother, may Allah reward you both for your efforts
@astranger881
@astranger881 3 года назад
Tbh watching videos of Speakers Corner made me closer to Qur'an & Sunnah. Had my doubts with 'isms'. Hyde Park debates helped me a lot, to tackle these from an islamic point of view. Alhamdulillah. It'd be beneficial to mention exactly what should we be careful about hyde park debates & which duaats that preach there are problematic. JazakAllah khair.
@mewzi
@mewzi 3 года назад
Don't through yourself into shubuhaat
@UmarIbnAlKhattab1
@UmarIbnAlKhattab1 2 года назад
Hyde Park is just confusion
@IbnAbdssalam
@IbnAbdssalam 3 года назад
نسأل الله أن يبارك فيكم و ينفع بكم و يوفّقكم لكل خير ❤️🍃
@ibnusardi1
@ibnusardi1 3 года назад
Alhamdulillaah. Jazaakumullaahu khairan for this video on ilmu kalam. Obviously many muslims are ignorant of this.
@truthseeker3094
@truthseeker3094 3 года назад
The people of Ilm ul kalaam are among the most egoistic & haughtiest people in the world.
@shahidkhan-mj1rp
@shahidkhan-mj1rp 2 месяца назад
Subhan allah , may allah protect you both ikhwani , i would like to add a statement here .... on the day of judgement every prophet will have his umma after him , some horizon to horizon for some a huge crowd and for some just a few people.... everyone of them did his job well regardless of the following they attained ...
@user-zm3hq1gf4y
@user-zm3hq1gf4y 3 года назад
'Ilmul kalaam - Ash'ari, Maturid, Mu'tazilla, Jahmiyyah
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
even Qadriya used their Kalam to deny Allah's Qadr, they don't understand Allah's Attributes help understand the other!
@Sakib-ww9ou
@Sakib-ww9ou Год назад
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Akhi I see you like so many places, You're doing good work Alhamdulillah, May Allah (swt) reward you for it .
@user-ed2sz8kt3i
@user-ed2sz8kt3i 3 года назад
Ma Shaa Allah, brothers. Jazaakumullahu khayran.
@poetabdallah3506
@poetabdallah3506 2 года назад
Jazakumullah kullal khair. I really liked it when the shaikh was quoting those who authenticated that hadeeth, because I once heard from Yasir Qhadhi that there's a part of that Hadeeth that's dha'if. Even though I could check the authenticity now, while I don't listen to him anymore, but it still caused shubha for me until now. Jazakallah
@kamranahmed15
@kamranahmed15 2 года назад
Which hadith?
@gabreial881
@gabreial881 Год назад
That's why we shouldn't listen to people of desires and kufaar talking about Islam negatively
@sabeelun_najaah
@sabeelun_najaah 3 года назад
May Allah bless you both with the best of this world and the next.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 2 года назад
Amin.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 2 года назад
We don't need kalam, or its greek baggage, we have Qiyas Islam for logic. We don't need Sufi batini baggage, we've Sunni Zhud & Dawa for tazkiya! Ashari talk on Allah's Siffat wrong divides, shirk in Quran 7:32, led to hadith dream prophecy sufi misuse, grave worship & colonies, tawhid brings safety in Q 24:55.
@SAAD92ification
@SAAD92ification 3 года назад
Jazakallah khayran ustad this one was my favourite episode salaam alaykum from Karachi Pakistan
@justanotherman1114
@justanotherman1114 3 года назад
Walaikum assalam from Karachi too.
@ghurabaa114xx
@ghurabaa114xx 2 года назад
Waw SubhanAllah there's salafi Muslims in Pakistan?
@anderherrera7180
@anderherrera7180 Год назад
@@ghurabaa114xx yes, there are more salafis in Karachi alone than the whole UK And many knowledgeable ulama Some ppl wrongfully claim there's no salafis or ulama in the subcontinent But even small young aalims are more knowledgeable than them
@ghurabaa114xx
@ghurabaa114xx Год назад
@@anderherrera7180 that's nice to hear Alhmdulillah
@anderherrera7180
@anderherrera7180 Год назад
@@ghurabaa114xx yh, if you come and explore you'll see that there are hundreds of Islamic universities that teach kutb as sittah and full Qur'an tafsir in their 8 year alim course
@sg9525
@sg9525 3 года назад
Excellent discussion
@faisalinc.7658
@faisalinc.7658 3 года назад
Change the title to "Aristotelian logic". Otherwise it might very well backfire. Everyone uses logic in the da'wah. When we say to Christiand that God cannot be 3 and one at the same time, then that is logic. Logic (mantiq) is - if it is free from assumptions and conclusions that are debated by people - a methedological science like mathematics. There is a huge part of what is called "logic" that is undebated by any person on the face of this planet - be it a staunch atheist or a salafi muslim.
@OneWayToParadise
@OneWayToParadise 3 года назад
Done. Added it on the thumbnail. Baaraka'Allaahu feek for the advice.
@faisalinc.7658
@faisalinc.7658 3 года назад
Wa feeka barak akhi kareem.
@aminemaaraf1655
@aminemaaraf1655 2 года назад
@@OneWayToParadise السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته. Dear brother, I think a little nuance is needed. What exactly is referred to as "ilm al kalam" by these scholars ? How do you define philosophy ? It seems like what they meant by "ilm al kalam" was a set of doctrines coming from greek philosophy that contaminated islamic doctrine in some misguided sects, as well as a specific methodology that eventually leads to deformation of islamic doctrines when it becomes the only way to stay coherent with the premises. It is evident that in our times where atheism, empirism, scientism and metaphysical naturalism are widespread, we cannot use circular arguments when debating people affected by these worldviews, for example, saying that "Allah exists and that Islam is the only uncorrupted true religion because Allah said so". With these people, using rational arguments and philosophy - as a methodology (and not a set of doctrines exterior to Islam) while carefully grounding it in sound islamic doctrine and subordinating reason to revelation, aiming to debunk their beliefs and build the foundations upon which we can demonstrate why islam is the right religion after establishing the self-evidence of the existence of God and the absurdity and irrationality of their staunch beliefs - seems like the compatible method with these profiles. Of course it is Allah who guides, however by taking the causes into consideration, we realise that our dawah must not only communicate the correct aqeedah as an unchanging set of affirmations accompanied with a good conduct, but it must also be tailor-made to its recipient to some extent. With these profiles, this preliminary work not only targets their analytical mind but also their intuitive mind by tapping into their fitrah with intuitive arguments. Both kinds of arguments must be extracted from the Quran and Sunnah (they are often in the form of questions in the Quran). After that, they must be developed, complexified, commented, supported with examples and evidence from different disciplines (psychology, sociology, anthropology, history, biology...).
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@@faisalinc.7658 Jazak Allahu Khayr! Philosophy means human view, issue is to use bias opposing Islam & call it logic, Qadriya bias denied Allah knows the future or why doesn't He stop evil & forget life is a test, Jahmi Maturidis deny Allah's traits due to greek logic. Its wrong! Allah's Attributes help you understand the other! Soon these sects reject other ayat & hadith instead of studying & divide to secular like we saw in the Uthmani empire. Uthmanis 1680 were at peak under Taymiyyan Turks but when exiled sufi grave worship took over they lost land as Quran 24 :55 ties safety to Tawhid, then bida & dancing divided to infiltration & to secularism. May Allah guide us to unite on the sunna as bida is the worst of affairs after shirk!
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Islam is perfect as Allah is all knowing. Logic should conclude w/o assumption or naturally. Philosophy concludes w/ personal limits & may have assumption. Aqida & Mnahaj is texts based as Islam is complete Quran 5 :3. Qiyas (logic) is in furu or fiqh. Quran 42 :11 - Says affirm Allah's Traits (negates atheism) & don't liken (negates idolatry). kalamists say Allah's true Hand is a limb & idolatry so negate it, we say why assume, Allah said its' unique. So ask is Allah's Life a limb, negating it is atheism. So they at 2 extreme end & Islam is Tawhid middle path. Those rejecting Allah's Siffat isn't consistent.
@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh
@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh 3 года назад
And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it]. - Quran (2:42
@ummutawheedumlai315
@ummutawheedumlai315 3 года назад
SubhanaAllah
@abualbasari5958
@abualbasari5958 3 года назад
Unless a person is seeking the truth it doesn't matter how much philosophy is used or what argument is put forward it will not change that person's views ,thoughts or perceptions. Greek philosophy started to come in back in the days of Abbasid Caliphate. When Baghdad was the learning hub. Books from Europe and other Continents were translated and the world's largest library of that time was in Baghdad.
@ehabkamal5416
@ehabkamal5416 3 года назад
Zazakallah khairan. I love you both for the sake of Allah
@fazalhussain8526
@fazalhussain8526 3 года назад
MAshaALLAH
@AhlusSunnahwalJamah
@AhlusSunnahwalJamah 3 года назад
May Allah guide these two guys
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
alot of philosophy is bias ppl think is logic & oppose Quran, thats what we talking about, this is why ppl like Jahmis, Kulabis, Maturidis, used greek kalam & denied Allah's attributes like the Qadriya used their batil logic to deny Allah's Qadr. Allah's Attributes help us understand other of His Attributes & Allah!
@ummbilaal4462
@ummbilaal4462 3 года назад
Amazing....
@magnuseng3345
@magnuseng3345 3 года назад
You know the discussion is advanced when half the conversation is quoting arabic sources
@aqanni
@aqanni 2 года назад
Arabic as a language is a means of communication and can’t be a source. Try harder with your pity irony. You would have found out how not so smart you’re if you understood whats those Arabic sayings ment!
@dr.saidsaid
@dr.saidsaid 3 года назад
Philosophy is logic. How can you avoid it in your dialogue? Unless I'm missing something.
@OneWayToParadise
@OneWayToParadise 3 года назад
Philosophy is NOT logic.....
@dr.saidsaid
@dr.saidsaid 3 года назад
Thanks for the response. Where do we draw the line? Between philosophy and logic?
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 3 года назад
@@dr.saidsaid The Quran has a very sound argument for Atheists and for Christians, Jews and such, there are so many evidences for them to not accept Islam IF they sincerely look in to Islam. On top of that, the Seerah of the Prophet alayhi salatu wa salam. Most converts i found that we can see on RU-vid literally read the Seerah and thought to themselves that if there ever was a Messenger from God, it is Muhammad alayhi salatu wa salam. In the Hot seat podcast, Ustadh Abdurahman Hassan also stated that it is one of the biggest evidence for Islam, the life of our Prophet. Everything in Islam is sound and i suggest you check out this very RU-vid channel and see the playlist and Abu Mussab's Malasia lectures for non Muslim. That is Dawah with no need for Philosophy which is by far very confusing and not simple at all unlike Islam, anyone can grasp it. Trust me, i used to use it until i was told it is not OK thanks to these very Ustadh's, May Allah bless them both!
@PSNloversalu
@PSNloversalu Год назад
@@dr.saidsaid logic in general is not philosopy, but logic can be part of Philosophy. Also logic is in simple words is what we call "common sense". If you have read Greek Philosophy works, I really believed that some of their arguments and scenarios were in fact stupid. For instance, in Mathematical Philosophy (zeno's paradox), if you keep halving the distance between you and a destination, you will never reach it. But according to logic/common sense you will reach it anyway. So putting Philosophy into Islam would just confuse the hell out of you because nothing means something, something means nothing, everything is something or nothing etc. Its all just something stupid. Thats where logic is different, unless you're a philosopher and "Logic = Philosophy" to you, then May Allah help you and us Amin.
@PSNloversalu
@PSNloversalu Год назад
@@dr.saidsaid Also logic, according to Quran and Sunnah is "Disbelievers" go to Hell and "Believers" go to Heaven. On the other hand, Philosophy is "Why", "Isn't God Merciful", "isn't it unjust that disbelievers go to Hell", "why is there Evil?" etc. And in the process of Philosophy one disbelieves in Allah SWT and His Ayat! Now I am not saying every Philosopher is the same, but one way or the other Philosophers tend to deviate at the end.
@mze5622
@mze5622 Год назад
Lovely brothers
@tazkiyah_pathway
@tazkiyah_pathway Год назад
May Allaah have mercy upon you! Know that heresy, disbelief, doubts, innovations, misguidance and confusion about the Religion have never occurred except through theological rhetoric (Kalaam) and because of the people of theological rhetoric, argumentation. debating and disputation. (Imam Barbahaaharee rahm.)
@privatejr2702
@privatejr2702 2 года назад
I with they gave examples of how one could use philosophy in dawah and have to make compromises down the line when it comes to speaking to atheists. I would have also liked to hear examples of what made converts to Islam leave because they didn’t realize what Islam was based on, supposedly because the version of Islam they got was incorrect
@Abdullah21038
@Abdullah21038 2 года назад
Watch these it would give you more of an idea ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zguENELOHCk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UWYtKWxwhAA.html
@Mahdi--no8fn
@Mahdi--no8fn 3 года назад
I think you need to differentiate between using philosophy within islamic aqidah which some deviant grupps did, vs using outside islam in dialogue with non muslims who denie a creator.
@briancordero7674
@briancordero7674 3 года назад
There are Usul that are explicit which are the foundational principles but the Furu3 are issues that confronted us continuously as they did during the succeeding generations of the Salaf and Khalaf in time as well as in place , for instance the Persians embraced Islam and many issues for the first time had to be addressed unlike the Hijaz, the Persians had a literary culture and there was Greek and Roman intellectual discourse that were the forerunners of Western Philosophical and Scientific ideas .Today through modern education we are mandated by law to be educated in this mode of thought and just as Scholars had to speak directly to their contemporaries,we do also more so because of mass communication and publication.An example Allah says concerning the birds flying ما يمسكهن الا الرحمن "none holds them except Al Rahman".We as Humans have discovered Allah's mercy in aero dynamics and fly planes to Hajj .So to discuss aero dynamics in light of Allah Mercy is the Usul supporting Furu3 in idea and doesn't negate Iman in its pure sense.
@osamamanan2723
@osamamanan2723 3 года назад
You can present Quranic arguments. Its easy to understand.
@zemphz
@zemphz 3 года назад
Philosophy is more broad there is no agreed upon definiton. Ilmul-kalam is a specific type of kalam which ahlul-bid'ah use. Logic/mantic is not haram using rational arguments from the qur'an itself like are "are we created from nothing".
@mohithegreat7912
@mohithegreat7912 2 года назад
We can use the Kalam cosmological argument to prove the existence of GOD to an Atheist Because they r not gonna accept verses they want logic And Using reasoning is obligatory Chapter 8 verse 22 "Deaf and dumb in the sight of ALLAH SWT are the ones who do not use reason" But if the reasoning is contradicting the Qur'an then it's not permissible because it's going against the Kalam Of GOD Like the reasoning of Ash'ariya,Mutazila,Jahmiya,Maturidiya Their reasoning contradict the Qur'an They use the definition of human hand to describe the hands of ALLAH SWT (To "disprove" Atharis)
@ItxFuntimex
@ItxFuntimex 3 года назад
All of Philosophy is not Ilm ul Kalaam. Did Shafaīe talk about philosophy of science? رحمه الله. Philosophy is much more broader. It is sheer injustice to narrow it down. Nevertheless The source of Emaan and Amaal should be purely Quran and Sunnah.
@animekmr9787
@animekmr9787 3 года назад
In the beginning of video he specifically mentions "When i say philosophy i mean Ilm ul Kalam"
@muhammadaaus105
@muhammadaaus105 3 года назад
Asalām-Alaykum. Ilm Ul-Kalām is the use of Mantiq and Falsāfa (philosophy) to interpret the Qur'ān, Sifāt of Allāh and as such. Falsāfa is simply the philosophy of the Greeks, Romans and as such.
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 Год назад
Today we see on RU-vid that the people that reject Kalam and use Quran and Sunnah to convey Islam are not only teaching the common folk on the street but so many revert through their dawah and their channels testify to this. They make it so easy and so rational for the people because they are simply quoting the Quran, no one can beat that. Bro Shamsi,Uthman ibn Faroq and Muhammad Ali (Muslims lantern) are a good examples of this. Then we have Ahl kalam debating with people in the Park using complex terms and their opponents are usually other philosophers who hide behind their speculations to reject the haqq while most of the viewers are clueless what's going on. When we look at their Dawah, they can't reach the laymen and the common folk while most of their content is pure debating which is fruitless. Again, compare these channels. So using Kalam has shown to be less effective compared to the Brothers that stick to Quran and Sunnah. This isn't a numbers game, but it's clear that the correct and simple approach do Dawah is far better than using Greek philosophy that only those familiar with it comprehend.
@umarr6221
@umarr6221 3 года назад
Can u please be very specific. What is it about the argumentation in Hyde Park that you don't agree with. Ilm-ul-kalam/philosophy can mean hundreds of different things depending on the context. I am interested specifically which argument you don't approve of.
@AB-xx7hy
@AB-xx7hy 3 года назад
Read the description. Ilm ul kalam is a specific philosophy coming from the Greeks Indians and a few others where it's used to interpret aqeedah by some Muslims. It has no basis in Qur'an or sunnah and the salaf detested it for a reason.
@umarr6221
@umarr6221 3 года назад
@@AB-xx7hy Can u please be specific. Which argument are you against? Ilm ul kalam is a very broad term, and means different things to different people. Abu Mussab suggested they used it in Hyde Park. I am asking which argument specifically are you against?
@AB-xx7hy
@AB-xx7hy 3 года назад
@@umarr6221 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-M1N-YsrvzME.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uZ4IAzsquYU.html Essentially philosophy used to interpret the religion. Our intellect can't comprehend the unseen so we can't deny or change what the revelation used just because our deficient minds can't understand. Using excessive philosophy in dawah also has problems as the principles of ilm kalam are different to Islam. A man called jahm bin safwan was the first to do this and he rejected Allah's attributes completely due to it which is disbelief. Just stick to dawah the way the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and the salaf did it. Do watch the videos linked. Hope they help.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@@umarr6221 philosophy that is biased but ppl think its logic while it opposes Quran is wrong. Qadriya rejected Allah's Qadr due to bias, many Jahmi Maturidis reject Allah's Siffat due to bias & Allah's Attributes help you understand the other! Soon these sects reject other ayat & hadith instead of studying & divide to secular like we saw in the Uthmani empire.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@@umarr6221 Uthmanis 1680 were at peak under Taymiyyan Turks but when they were exiled sufi grave worship took over they lost land as Quran 24 :55 ties safety to Tawhid, and bida and dancing, they divided to secularism. May Allah guide us to unite on the sunna as bida is the worst of affairs after shirk!
@matishakabdullah5874
@matishakabdullah5874 3 года назад
What is da'wah? Perhaps is a simple term we may define as 'a call to God - The Almighty Creator - to know and worship/serve Him. But the God is beyond human imagination and observation (if any knowing is embedded in one fitrah). So how to know Him? The 2 common approaches are: 1. A prophetic (the devine constructs) approach and 2. A philosophical ( human constructs) approach. It is obvious that only the devine constructs approach leads to the True God! The are 2.ways to be guided to The True God... 1. The case that when one is guided after sincerely striving for the Truth - to knowing The True God. 2. The case where one received a direct guidance from The True God.... they the Prophets and the Messengers of Allah ASWS. Nevertheless almost all them have involved in striving to know The True God before have appointed to their respective position except perhaps Prophet Isa@Jesus AS.
@matishakabdullah5874
@matishakabdullah5874 3 года назад
GORAP Da'wah Methodology developed by i-ERA is perhaps one of the closest...as it covers almost all the basic knowledge of Islamic faith mentioned in alQuran 2:285 as revealed to Prophet Muhammad SAW.
@muhammadaaus105
@muhammadaaus105 3 года назад
@@matishakabdullah5874 Asalām-Alaykum. There is no need for a philosophical approach.
@shahzadahmadmir
@shahzadahmadmir 3 года назад
Can I have the text of the quote, "Ad din qawlulahi wa qawlu rasool.."
@hashimi6829
@hashimi6829 3 года назад
If you mean translation then “ The religion is Allah said and the prophet said” meaning the primary source of our religion is..
@shahzadahmadmir
@shahzadahmadmir 3 года назад
No, i mean the actual arabic text.
@mhdhisham186
@mhdhisham186 3 года назад
@@shahzadahmadmir العِلمُ قالَ اللهُ قالَ رَسولهُ ... قالَ الصحابةُ هُمْ أُولُو العِرْفانِ ما العِلمُ نَصْبُكَ لِلخِلافِ سَفاهةً ... بَيْنَ الرسولِ وَبَيْنَ رَأْيِ فُلانِ
@thetruebeliever3292
@thetruebeliever3292 3 года назад
Any brother or sister here might help me since I have been told to follow the Hanbali madhab since it's the strongest of all 4 madhabs and also I'm not planning to be a muqallid or to do taqleed on the Hanbali madhab. I'd like anyone to help me since I'm new to all this and I would like to be closest to the sunnah. Jazakallahu khayran
@AB-xx7hy
@AB-xx7hy 3 года назад
If you're new then go to your local masjid and find an Imam who's on the correct aqeedah and just learn from them. Madhabs are more for students of knowledge anyway.
@CosmoCreed
@CosmoCreed 3 года назад
Find a local trustworthy imam and Ask him the issues, do what he say. read Quran and do obligation and stick to aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah by learning it from those who practice. Strengthen the Iman by getting closer to sunnah
@Kazakhpyn95
@Kazakhpyn95 3 года назад
Assalam wa’alaikum. Bismillaah. Just make sure that they are upon the right path whichever Mosque or Imam you go to. Their Aqeedah (Creed) is upon absolute Tawheed and Manhaj (Methodology) is Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf. If in doubt, Allah willing Salafis will not shy away from declaring their faith and methodology to you. Nothing to hide. And beware of those who will try to bash them instead. Also just leave another comment perhaps in case brother Abu Mussab doesn’t respond to this post.
@muhammadaaus105
@muhammadaaus105 3 года назад
Asalām-Alaykum. As Sheikh Muhammad Saleh ibn Uthaymīn stated that the Madhab of Hanbalī is the closest to the Sunnāh of the Messenger of Allāh, best you take this path and Allāh Knows Best.
@ignoranceremoved3450
@ignoranceremoved3450 3 года назад
What would you say about those people who say that Allah Himself uses logic in the holy Quran?
@OneWayToParadise
@OneWayToParadise 3 года назад
We are not referring to common sense. We are referring to philosophically constructed so called logic.
@ignoranceremoved3450
@ignoranceremoved3450 3 года назад
@@OneWayToParadise Not all logic is common sense and not all philosophically constructed logic is actually logic. Some of it is just plain stupidity. The word philosophy and logic needs to be specified. Because it can refer to different things. Philosophy isn't same as greek philosophy. Western philosophy of today isn't referred to as greek philosophy. And even the whole subject of philosophy is very vast
@unknownrealist5374
@unknownrealist5374 3 года назад
@@ignoranceremoved3450 Yeah surely we can use philosophy to refute/give dawah to non Muslims because how else would we make sense of the religion to them. We can’t convey anything to them within our paradigm because they don’t even believe, so the only way would be using something they actually understand (philosophy)
@ignoranceremoved3450
@ignoranceremoved3450 3 года назад
@@unknownrealist5374 Well, I'm not advocating for philosophy. But I'd agree that your approach will naturally be relative to the type of people you are giving dawah to. Using sound logical arguments would be okay if they don't contradict the Quran and sunnah in any way
@unknownrealist5374
@unknownrealist5374 3 года назад
@@ignoranceremoved3450 Yeah of course when I say philosophy I’m not alluding to Ancient Greek philosophy that then influenced the kalīmi groups of Ahlul bid’ah. I just mean logic, common sense mutual grounds that they would understand as disbelievers
@1delz
@1delz 3 года назад
bro i have a qyestion... is it allowed to explain or like give examples, or like refute their so called logic with the islamic logic? like a good example is the big bang theory, how it cant be done by itself, after of course giviing the verse i.e 52:35: Or were they created by nothing, or are they ˹their own˺ creators? ...so is that allowed to do at all? u know what i mean
@alimoorad5998
@alimoorad5998 3 года назад
Adel! Bro! Remember me!??? 321?
@1delz
@1delz 3 года назад
@@alimoorad5998 how can i forget bro? :)
@alimoorad5998
@alimoorad5998 3 года назад
@@1delz ❤ How you doing brother! ❤
@1delz
@1delz 3 года назад
@@alimoorad5998 alhamdulillaah bro im ok and urself?
@alimoorad5998
@alimoorad5998 3 года назад
@@1delz Alhamdulillah fine bro
@xxxdded622
@xxxdded622 Год назад
17:22 right ...
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 3 года назад
Athar - Quran, Sunni, Sahab. ms until 220H, revived by MiaW (bani tamim hadith?) Ashari - error in Tawhid, claim Sunnah, Sahaba - help in opposing shi'a in history. batini Sufi - error in Tawhid, claim to dream for bida, shi'a mawlid, respect sahab. Shi'a - Qur'an is altered, pray to graves, shirk and bida, disrespect sahaba! Prophet peace and blessing on him (d 11h) said follow the first 3 generations, avg age is 70 years. 70 x 3 + 11 = 220H. When the Mihna took place! So the Atharis became a minority as they were on haqq, they were oppressed, all 4 mathhabs were Athari in Tawhid, and the first 3 mathhabs students were effected, ibn Hanbal lived through which is why ahlul sunnah is linked to him as is ahlul hadith more, like the 6 hadith imams. Imam Ashari raised mutazila as he got older admired imam Ahmad and mixed the Athari creed and i think this is the tainted good the Prophet peace and blessings on him spoke of. They became a minority and there were revivers but it went mainstream again when Ibn Adbul Wahab revived it. Asharis, to sufis to shi'a betrayal cycled 3x/ Seljuks to crusades, Salahudin had to beat shi'as first to beat crusades... he executed sufis, his only ones, then 100 years later sufism to shi'aism to mongul betrayal, then Ibn taymiyyah revival and Turks beating the monghuls to again shi'a betrayal to the safawids and sufi grave worship declining the Uthmanis to the revival by Ibn Abdul Wahab. Saud said we returned to the Aqidah of Ummayids... Ibn Abdul Wahab's Tamimi tribe by name, so it might be his, is said to be hard on dajjal and right now Saud quarrels with Iran the cia 79 iran revolt land to help israelis where dajjal's army is from. May Allah guide us!
@anisse3387
@anisse3387 3 года назад
To the point . If the quran and sunna is sufficent for you why do you use ilm ul kalam ??
@yooshatarique019
@yooshatarique019 3 года назад
Ya akhi, a sincere question. If Mohammad hijab wants to defend his position on this issue then why don't u guys sit together and talk to each other. Plz reply
@abiabi9353
@abiabi9353 Год назад
I think the wahabis don't get it right. After all what is philosophy and logic.The real essence is to explain things follong the basic reasoning and understanding of validity of something. It just a tool to coney the understanding and it does not have any harm.For example one becomes more committed to five pillars of Islam if understands the philosophy behind them.
@f.h.5840
@f.h.5840 2 года назад
Lets hear both sides before we make a judgement. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LxnelIJQokQ.html Alhumdulillah I see many coming to Islam with the dawah work from those at speakers corner which I haven't seen from many other Islamic scholars. We cannot have simple answers to complex issues.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Philosophy means human view, issue is to use bias opposing Islam & call it logic, Qadriya bias denied Allah knows the future or why doesn't He stop evil & forget life is a test, Jahmi Maturidis deny Allah's traits due to greek logic. Its wrong! Allah's Attributes help you understand the other! Soon these sects reject other ayat & hadith instead of studying & divide to secular like we saw in the Uthmani empire. Uthmanis 1680 were at peak under Taymiyyan Turks but when exiled sufi grave worship took over they lost land as Quran 24 :55 ties safety to Tawhid, then bida & dancing divided to infiltration & to secularism. May Allah guide us to unite on the sunna as bida is the worst of affairs after shirk! Islam is perfect as Allah is all knowing. Logic should conclude w/o assumption or naturally. Philosophy concludes w/ personal limits & may have assumption. Aqida & Manhaj is texts based as Islam is complete Quran 5 :3. Qiyas (logic) is in furu or fiqh. Quran 42 :11 - Says affirm Allah's Traits (negates atheism) & don't liken (negates idolatry). kalamists say Allah's true Hand is a limb & idolatry so negate it, we say why compare, Allah said He's unique, is Allah's Life a limb, negating it is atheism. So they at 2 extreme ends & Islam is Tauhid middle path. Those rejecting Allah's Siffat aren't consistent.
@bilelamri5273
@bilelamri5273 3 года назад
Mohamed Hijab has called you on a video please ustadh just don't reply on him
@ray620
@ray620 3 года назад
Lmao why
@bilelamri5273
@bilelamri5273 3 года назад
@@ray620 sitting with ahlul bidaa and discussing with them is forbidden
@muhammadaaus105
@muhammadaaus105 3 года назад
@@ray620 Asalām-Alaykum. Use not Lmao as it has a swear word in it.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@@muhammadaaus105 Jazak Allahu Khayr, the believer is modest including speech indeed in asl.
@jawaahiri
@jawaahiri 3 года назад
🤔🤔🤔 Abu mussab is asking relevant questions to abdulrahman, but unfortunately abdulrahman is not answering properly because he is jumping other Daliil and reference I really don't appreciate all of his answers
@mewzi
@mewzi 3 года назад
He doesn't want to give his own opinions it seems
@user-yq2if6ld9h
@user-yq2if6ld9h 3 года назад
or maybe you don't understand and it goes over your head.
@fallenprince2146
@fallenprince2146 3 года назад
Abu Musab Al Najdi Al Madkhali
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Madkhali is a tribe in Najd, Abu Mussab's family is from the Uthmanis. So you wrong, 2nd, Banu Tamim who in hadith in Bukhari is hard on dajjal is from Najd, so being from Najd isn't Bad. What is your point?
@UmarIbnAlKhattab1
@UmarIbnAlKhattab1 2 года назад
Just look at the mu'tazila and see what falsafa did to them
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 2 года назад
We don't need kalam, or its greek baggage, we have Qiyas Islam for logic. We don't need Sufi batini baggage, we've Sunni Zhud & Dawa for tazkiya! Ashari talk on Allah's Siffat wrong divides, shirk in Quran 7 :32, opens sufi misuse hadith dream prophecy to grave worship to colonies, Tawhid ties to safety in Nur 55.
@s_u_r_v_i_v_o_r
@s_u_r_v_i_v_o_r 2 года назад
Just came across ilm ul kalam after a funky joker on facebook stretched a small question of mine into a full length discussion near debate level, where he would throw in all of his philosophical bullshit and random laws of mathematics to try and affirm/negate the attributes of Allah. Guy claimed to be graduated from a college in dhaka, and tries spewing his gibberish on me in an attempt to show off his intellectualism. Never have been more disgusted by ilm ul kalam in my life
@OneWayToParadise
@OneWayToParadise 2 года назад
We can relate.
@kingsoundsinteresting
@kingsoundsinteresting 2 года назад
How are you blind as blind kittens.!
@OneWayToParadise
@OneWayToParadise 2 года назад
Perhaps you are the blind one.
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