Iman Shumpert: LeBron Ruined Basketball When He Left Cavs & Joined Miami with D-Wade (Part 12) 

Yeah him and gill can break it down

Man I wish bruh would get a pod!

An interesting basketball podcast would be Iman Shumpert , Gilbert arenas, Pat Bev . Would be so interesting

He’s from Chicago! One of the best basketball cities in the world!

Facts

No hes saying bron ruined basketball stop trying to twist his words

@@thetruth6877 Exactly tf this nigga talking about 😅😅😅😅

@@thetruth6877 Nope he showed people don't wait for GMs. You're also disrespecting Paul Pierce by using his nickname.

@@dp3745 thank you

@@dp3745 man ain't no one thinking about Paul P stop lol

Shumpert is bitter 😑

@@truthspeaks1813 yep

This is it right here 💯

Or there’s only a limited amount of dunks that are humanly realistic

I also think the judges have a part in why players don’t do it. Dwade still a bitch for that 9

Not only that, but new guys just aren’t as creative. Some of my favorites from memory were Dwight’s Superman Javale’s Two Basketballs and Two Rims Vince Carter Lavine vs Gordon 1. We need New Dunks 2. We need these dunks nailed on the 1st attempt

Yea that year with them 2 was somethin special. They definitely ended it because idk how anybody gonna top that

That dunk wasn’t done when D Wade was on the panel

D Wade was looking out for the Heat tho. DJJ

@@swankmastermind7407 facts, he was hating for sure

He got a 50 on that.

@@GoGetYourShinebox Yea I know

LBJ went the finals no ROSTER!!! 7 YRS STRAIGHT WITH CAVS. BTW KG WENT TO BOSTON HE WAS THE FIRST JS💯🍻

@@billydakid71 yeah on KD but he mad at ray Allen JS!!!

Yeah... It's cool if they use their bodies for 82 something plus games while the owners get to sit in the background and be fat and make money off of them but then when I get mad when they leave and treat them like slaves. Good for you LeBron!!

The guys u mention outside of Durant actually finished their contract and became free agents meaning they could sign where ever they're needed. Other guys and so called Stars are demanding trades early or mid-season, at least LeBron finished his contract

Preach!!!!👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

Speak for yourself

@@silentsage2462 u still think the deck is stacked in Cleveland? Smh

@@silentsage2462 I just knew there would be a lame ass hater under this post

Ain't nobody gonna miss that bum outside of his groupie ass fan base 🤷🏿‍♂️

He never rose to the challenge or overcame adversity to win. Think about how much he got shot down in the post season before going to Miami and everything else after that. When he won it didn't make sense for him to lose because his teams were so stacked. When Wade got his first ring against Dallas that was great basketball of old but none of LeBron James championships were impressive but they would have been and more legit had he kept his ass in Cleveland from the get go

I feel you but First Take and certain fans always question KD’s rings with the warriors

I am always going to remember how LeBron join forces with all stars and Hall of famers on three different teams to cheat his way to greatness

@@DATBOIYK so he the only one to do that or u just hate bron u realize it was superteams wayyyy before him

Wow.. that was a great way of putting it

@@Johnathonhuff95 bro in 20 yrs first take might not even exist. We talking about in the history books

True, but I don’t think that negated Iman’s point, the higher ups of the league didn’t like that LeBron gave players the idea that they can control what teams they decide to go to. And like you said, Stern was fearful nobody would buy the Hornets without a star on it, killed two birds with one stone. Even though they did agree to trade CP3 to the Clippers.

Ngga no he dnt it was superstars that join forces bf Lebron look it up

How can u be loyal to an organization that wouldn't help u in terms of drafting, free agency picking the right players? If LeBron stayed he'd be a great player with 0 help rotting in Cleveland

@@dizzy_dmc9047 you supposed to stick it out. Plus that’s his hometown. He was being a spoiled brat

@@ThejeffJr8 LeBron honored his contract and gave everything plus more to the cavs while everyone was lacking behind and u call that being a "spoiled brat"?? Lebron was a free agent he wasn't demanding a trade mid-season like the rest of the so called nba "stars" are doing

He didn't ruin basketball tho he opened the eyes of the players to go where they wanted to go whether it was good or bad🤷🏾‍♂️

it's cause they were in their 30s past their peaks, whereas lebron, wade, and bosh were all in their peak primes or getting there.

Nobody wants to admit this though. & then you have people like the bozo above who’ll just move the goalpost lol.

@@LongThickVeinyBBC lebron and dwade were top 3 players when they teamed up doofus. it wasn't the first time a bunch of older vets teamed up like that.

@@aadames you clearly did not watch basketball back in the 2000’s because all 3 of them were still producing and KG won DPOY and don’t even get me started on Paul Pierce and Ray bro so don’t use that age excuse bs. Just say you hate Bron and go. You youngbucks don’t know anything smh besides hate.

@@LongThickVeinyBBC facts. People go all out their way to discredit bron.

When ur compared to MJ and your getting hyped by the media as being better, that's something he should have figured out if he was as good as everyone claimed he was. He had the #1 seed back to back seasons and back to back MVP's before leaving Cleveland. He was in much better shape than a VC and AI, because his team's were never under 500 or never less than a 4th seed in the playoff.

@@qbrees30339 You said Bron should have figured it out by himself. Did MJ figure it out by himself?

@@lastrebound Both him and Kobe found away. MJ lost to Boston twice and Detroit 3 years straight fam! There was no guarantee that Pip was gonna develop and ultimately became what he became. Same 4 Kobe! After Shaq left he struggled 4 a while. He got Gasol in a mid-season trade and played with that man for like 22 games and he ended up beating the same exact team that swept LeBron 4-1 to get to the finals in 08. No one saw the Lakers in the finals that year, but Kobe found away. Mind u Gasol played horrible along the way. Gasol didn't get good wit LA until 09 🤷🏿‍♂️

@@qbrees30339 compare the first 7 years cavs players to Kobe's and MJ's and tell me which of them had better team mates at the time.. Both MJ and Kobe had Phil Jackson too. Come on bruh

All about control

He is Iman Shrumpert of sports talk not the Dave chapelle stfu

Huh lol

The fuck does that even mean

@@SDA1997 It means he is RELAXED, speaks his mind and paints a beautiful picture. You never feel anything is phoney (Stephen A) or forced (Shannon Sharpe). When Lebron pulls a weak move, he calls him out, but he equally gives Lebron credit without bias when he looks at the big picture. He is funny without being clownish, and serious without being preachy. Hope that helped.

@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 precisely! You would have to understand the evolution of Dave Chappelle in the first place to understand the compliment. I appreciate Iman's perspective and I find it enjoyable. I even appreciate LeBron a little bit n more because if him

Throughout history these teams have existed, people only have a problem with it because a player took control away from the OWNERS which was taboo. D. Ainge brought in KG & Allen to join Pierce & no one said a word but when Lebron goes to Miami it's not fair?

@@billbangz naw, it was cheating and everyone knew it. He ruined basketball.

It will be a good day for the NBA when lebron retires.

​@@billbangz if I could give a million amens to this. Also that year In 2004 when the Lakers had Shaq and Kobe and Gary Payton and Karl Malone joined them. I could care less if Gary and Karl were over the hump. If they had tried to join forces on their own it would have been a problem.

@@anonunknown2491 yup

The Celtics

@@shawnmajicwand Celtics traded for KG and Ray Allen. KG and Ray didn’t sign to the Celtics in Free Agency big difference.

@@nosmoke6556 facts

@@nosmoke6556 they said they orchestrated it

@@nosmoke6556 no a big difference if it was planned out

Those players were drafted

Facts! Most nba champions thru history had 3 Allstars which today they call superteams.

@@brixaabrixaa3390 yeah, but back then owners knew the player they drafted probably wouldn't leave the team unless by trade, thats why GMs were so adamant about getting top picks to get the starpower needed for those teams..

Tell ‘em

Y’all casuals wont ever get it

@@chiraqsavagesunseentweets2370 I’m a casual because basketball needs teammates, got it.

@@chiraqsavagesunseentweets2370 He's casual enough to know that Basketball is a team sport

they can win a game but not a chip

So go team up with the 2nd best player in the league lol

None of them were the best player in the league & they were past their prime

No, it started with Lebron. Get over it.

@@lastreal4111 they were not past their prime stop it

@@johncena4096 they all had been in the league 10 years or more stop it

@@lastreal4111 in 08 when they all teamed up Pierce was an all star, all nba and won finals mvp Ray was an all star and was breaking 3pt records in the finals Garnett was an all star, all nba, all defense and the DPOY Sounds like they were still in their primes Try again

lebron in the heat days was one of the best moments of his career

@@iuri9161 Nah, if he never won in Cleveland I'd see him as a joke in regard to the true greats. But he did that so I had to respect it.

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Shit ain’t facts niggas been joining up since forever man

Most championship teams consist of multiple hall of camera bro

Bro Celtics had 4 ball of gamers just to battle him so he did the same cause Cleveland doesn’t attract players period

bulls had 4 HOFers

Dan Gilbert knew he had a cash cow in Lebron, and didn't surround Lebron with a winning team. Lebron sells tickets, and that's all Gilbert cared about.

@@Powerule23 youre trippin

Exactly!!!!!

@Truth is Truth! 2022 bro no one’s reading that book

@Truth is Truth! 2022 Barkley did it fytb 😂

Technically it's the Celtics Big 3, that's what made Bron go to Miami on his Demon Shit . Bron is the 🐐

Im with you on this one Miami wasn’t even in the playoffs the year before ion think

@@rarrirooster15 Celtics big 3 were all aging players out of their prime. None of those guys were ALL NBA anything. They were all out of their prime. And it’s not fair to compare stats because they came at the same time and it was way more talent then that GSW team. GSW was a great team that played well together and that heat team was a collection of SUPERSTARS IN THEIR PRIME.

After Lebron's free agent summit. Im taking my tallent to South Beach

@@MrSPIDEY21 those "aging 3" caused all the super team shenanigans. Bron couldn't beat them, so he joined up with CBosh and DWade. After that the league followed suit

Yea but we never had a top 1-5 player join a powerhouse. Lebron and KD was top 2 in the world. Chris Mullin, rodman....were all stars but not a top 5 right? That's why David Stern block CP3 to Kobe Lakers

​@@thevinceberry id argue though, Jordan was the best player in the 90s and had the best wing defender of the 90s in Pippen and arguably 2 of the best rebounders in Grant and Rodman

No one forgot…. All those players you named have never been considered the best player in the league while they played with the exception of KD, even if you go to their prime years… there’s a big difference…. Bron is competing for 🐐 status bruh

That’s what I’m saying 😂

Because they only won one ring together

What everyone forgets is that Bron, Wade and Bosh told everyone they were planning to team up when their free agency hit. It was something that was in the works for seasons prior to it happening.

Rondo wasn’t rondo first off and the Celtics didn’t win nothing until they got there .. wade was a champ already

@@The_real_shoota4 wade was a champ with Shaq & that squad but barely a 500 team before Bron got there so how would that make them superior if they were losing before he arrived just a question?

Kuz they always trynna blame Bron lmaoo

Barely ruined anything they went to 2 finals and lost 1 in like 5 years

they was old 33 32 31. and ray was past his prime. The heat big 3 Was 26 26 28

They called it a big 3 but KG was really the only “superstar”, and he was traded to Boston. Paul Pierce wasn’t doing anything by himself..him and Walker.

The Boston players wasn’t in their prime when they joined…. STOP IT you must be a Lebron fan…. Boston teams was 3 old players ring chasing towards end of their careers..

Boston’s Big3 wasn’t in their prime. This was comparable to back when Karl Malone & Gary Payton joined the Lakers, Barkley & Pippen to Houston etc

Lebron joined wade who already won a title & finals MVP without him and chris bosh who was averaging 20-10 1 season prior. At least KD didnt melt down like Lebron did his first year with the heat super team and average 17 points a game

lol Heat was mid after D Wade chip in 2006 anyway , they wasn’t even a “super team “tbh , they won 2 outta 4 , warriors went 2-1 when KD was there

@@blockmusicgroup8315 they won 2/4 because bron choked their first trip to the finals while dwade was leading them in scoring throughout that entire play off run. Had lebron averaged at least 20 points in 2011 then they would've 3peated

Stfu bro😂 nobody is talking about the record , we’re talking about the talent level and the caliber of player he joined , Wade n bosh … not the team record u weirdos

LeBron a superstar player in D Wade who at that time was a top 5 talent and Chris Bosh was a top 15 talent you Miami was a superteam you Bronsexual

They were all old asf. Bron, Wade and Bosh we're under 30 IN THEIR PRIMES also as FRANCHISE PLAYERS.

@@savonsanders3955 facts those guys were at the end of their primes when they got traded to Boston.

They all matched their free agency years prior to Boston forming

@@desiarnes4731 how they beat everyone in the East and Kobe these mf’s were making the All-star teams still ‼️

@@savonsanders3955 but the Celtics still manage to make NBA finals twice old my as ‼️

True but free agency wise

Nah y’all just don’t like getting on Bron ass. It was his fault

That was a trade Lebron started the player impowerment movement and it lowkey costed him a title or 2

@@StayTru101 it was super teams in the 80s tho. Lebron didn’t kill basketball he helped it by being the trailblazer to give players more power in where they want to play.

Kg was a FA he chose to go to Boston

The things people say..

You obviously don't watch basketball, cavs had the #1 seed both years before Bron left to Miami. While Wade missed the playoffs those 2 years. Bron feared no one, the league feared Bron!

@@TONEakaSHOW except the Celtics who were breaking him every year . Dude lost to a Dwight led magic 😭

@@brixaabrixaa3390 No one ever said that bs but KG stop the cap celtics won 1 ring that's it they didn't break anyone. Lbj broke Toronto how about that aka LeBronto

Terrible take🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Nah bro you gotta get what he saying you thinking too deep lol

No there are much better shooters and players are much more skilled.

Those guys in the 80s & 90s played at a very low pace also tge guys a bigger quicker faster stronger

Average score of a game was above 100 every year from 1980 to 1995 season

@tirell V You got it all wrong, with all due respect. Teams are shooting more from long range because of the common use of Zone Defense. The best way to beat a Zone is by consistent long range shooting.

@@MistahUnknown its impossible to play man or zone defense when everybody on the opposite team can shoot from half court .. the fundamentals of playing defense im basketball have gon out the window

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This shit is so dumb 🤣 you really said nothing. And don’t realize it. Dan Gilbert was NOT building a team to win a ring. Miami built a team to do that with Wade. Let’s not forget that. Quickens Ariana was already being sold out with LeBron alone, and winning a ring wasn’t gonna really make much of a difference to the amount of money Dan was already making. Y’all are forgetting that part. LeBron literally took a wack ass Cavs team to the finals in 07 BY HIMSELF against the Spurs who already were championship bred and experienced. And the next year Dan still did nothing to improve that team to help LeBron. Players also did not want to play in Cleveland. So where else is LeBron supposed to go that would be considered ‘fair’ in your eyes while simultaneously giving him a chance to win a ring after being HEAVILY ridiculed for not winning a ring despite playing for an organization that had no intention of building a championship team during that time? 🤔 you see when you actually use your brain and look at the full context, the shit you said is stupid as fuck? No player has ever won a chip by themselves, and yet we expected LeBron to do it? Not even Jordan did it by himself. Name a ring he got without Scottie or a physical defensive player like Grant or Rodman….I’ll wait.

Nobody was gonna go join him in Cleveland dude 🤦 thats Why He went to Miami were the Lifestyle is awesome and they could dominate the league and Recruit easily due to being in Miami. He was Never gonna be able to recruit in Cleveland cause it aint Miami.

@@juniorcruz3866 well if nobody wanted to come to Cleveland is the excuse he used to super team wit everybody then why he team hopped outta Miami if their a top free agent destination & considered 1 of the best organizations ?? He jus wanted easy ass rings wit no legit competition 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@charlesvxiii5925 Cause dwade knees were cooked and they got they ass whooped by San Antonio and he also saw Cleveland Hit on Kyrie in the draft and saw a opportunity to bring a championship back to his hometown

The only reason Lebron left was because D. Gilbert promised to get him help & refused to at the last minute. There was a done deal on the table to aquire A. Stoudemire & Gilbert reneged so Lebron Left. That's the same year Amare went to NY. If Lebron had stayed with no decent Coach, GM or Owner his career would've ended like Iverson's who got used up for ticket sales & thrown away when the team decides " We're Going In A New Direction"..

@@billbangz exactly not enough people speak up on that Amare fiasco

He literally said the majority of nba players felt that way. You just dickriding Bron

Bron & KD both chose an easier path. Couldn’t build

@@GoGetYourShinebox Build what? How do you expect him to build the team? Does he look like a GM or a coach? He's a player. Not the FO

facts

Thank you and Lebron didn’t blow a 3-1 lead to heat and join them the next season KD did that and Lebron never had help on that cavs team for years

Dwade at that point was a top 5 player in the league. Bosh at that point was a 10-15 power forward. Doesn’t matter what their record was, it had to do with buddying up with them. (And yes, KD decision was also weak imo)

I agree with you. On top of all that you have a team mate pounding on your mom and you’re vibing with your GM? Why stay? Teams aren’t loyal to players either so why stay put if you have enough clout to go where you want.

An old Antwan Jamison at that

@@grg242 😭 facts I forgot about Delonte

They would be calling mj everything but the goat . That's what I don't get bout bron fans .

That would’ve been fire 🔥🔥🔥

@@watchmenetworktv cut it out bro

@@watchmenetworktv you must be on crack

People will stop wearing Jordan’s

Yeah but they didn’t make it trendy like Bron did, when Heat did it everybody followed

@@Theyaintme_cb6 wtf do that even means?? Lol sounds like you just hating on bron

@@Mr74shelly Sounds like you just meat riding Bron

No those players got traded getting traded is different than forming up together willingly

they were in their 30s too

Traded, 30's, etc. It doesn't matter! The fact is, KG, & PP would not have a ring if they didn't hook up. KG had to wave the no trade clause in his contract for it to happen.

Also, the Celtics would have one less banner hanging in their arena because PP could not get past Bron.

@@sgbjr2000 okay but they were still traded you can’t fault a player for being traded to a good team buy his former team it’s not the same

I've always said Stern robbed Kobe of eclipsing Jordan and Chris Paul of having a ring because those boys would have gotten at least two (giving Kobe 7 rings).

@@brob8204 man listen! This was before the knee problems with both of them(Kobe was beat up then) and the NBA was looking a “new Mike” but didn’t want Kob, he is still a great tho!

I believe he’ll retire there.

We control our destiny not no fans not no “owner”

Folks need to get over the decision, he raised that money for kids in the boys and girls club. He did nothing wrong, only a miserable person would suggest he did. Cleveland couldn’t surround him with enough talent to win. Last time CLE made a postseason, without LeBron, MJ was going on his last championship run in Chicago.

@@nate8604 I guess I am a miserable person then…. Because “The Decision” was a complete PR disaster and a BS way to wave buy to the team and fans in Cleveland. The fact that it raised some money for charity does not change that fact.

@@alanaldpal950 Fuck the fans. They sided with the owner after he disrespected LeBron in his letter. Stay mad, the dude is the only reason Cleveland been relevant this entire century.

Celtics KG Pierce Jesus Shuttlesworth

Lebron had to endure 7 years of terrible management and failure to get good players around him. He had every right to leave. On the other hand Durant had a good thing going in OKC and if wasn’t partly for him they would’ve been in those finals in 2016. He left and joined a 73 win team. He made it cool for superstars to leave at the slightest inconvenience, he’s the one that ruined the league

@@bucketkayo9776 thank you

@@bucketkayo9776 facts, only reason OKC didn’t win was due to injuries & choking

He didn't ruin basketball. Celtics organization did the same with kg Paul pierce and Ray Allen and LeBron kept getting bounced out by them. He did it to rival them. The only thing he did different was decide to do it himself which ushered in the "player empowerment era" which made other players decide they wanted to do the same but it all started with the Celtics. Mind you this wasn't the first superteam in nba history, plenty of organizations tried the same before the 2000s. People act like it's some new thing when it's always been a thing.

wade had a ring already

@@kenfolk5309 yeah 6 years before and was losing after

That’s a simplified version. KD was the 2014 MVP and he joined the 2015 & 2016 MVP on a championship team fresh off back to back Finals and a 73 win season. KD joined his Rivals after they defeated him in humiliating fashion with a 1-3 comeback. The Warriors had so little respect for KD and his move that Draymond is on video calling him a Bytch and reminding him that they won without him and didn’t need him. Casual fans are too stupid to understand that Wade, Bosh & Bron created their own team in Free Agency, they didn’t go join a team that was already created.

@@kenfolk5309 That ring was long ago. Golden State was at that time currently winning championships.