In-Depth Gwyndolin Comparison (DS1 vs DS3) 

sir, what about seath?

@@mr.mangles8730 "What about what?"

*sexual grunts of unsatisfaction

@@starfallentertainment9131 [Van Halen - Why can't this be love?]

​@@randomthoughts6680 heavy panting and science noises.

It would be cool if there was a character trophy system like from the Batman Arkham games. You beat the boss and you unlock the model for viewing at the home screen.

There’s a cheat

Yeah i always wanted a beastiary like in hollow knight or something, instead of just reading their lore on souls

From doesnt do it because it would just show how ugly their games are

@@_CrimsonBladeYou’re getting jumped

Yes he did. He’s the one who tricks the undead into lighting the first flame and to burn for centuries to keep the fire lit.

​@@mightytaco123 Yes, because lighting the Fire keeps his world going, and he was trying to keep everything stable. Like it was a dick move but it wasn't done for evil reasons simple a guy trying to stop everything he knew from falling to bits.

@@4wheal no the darkness is good cause it’s the age of man

@@4wheal Plus, we all know Gwyndolin had some daddy issues. Upholding the age of fire was one of the few things he KNEW, would make his father happy, so he devoted himself to it even after everyone, including his sister, fucked off and left Anor Londo.

@@mightytaco123 yeah, people from Oolacile are really like this age of dark and are comfortably leaving along side darkness

Aldrich sure is

​@@thestrongestlivingcreature Foul, just foul... 💀

@@thestrongestlivingcreature Aldrich really ate him out… like… seriously he’s just a puppet now

Think it might just be a mockery of Gwyndolin in DS3 since he's all gnarly and shit. The metal seems organic and uneven instead of the handcrafted stuff you see him wear in DS1.

​@@scythe-fi5604 Foul tarnished, in search of the Elden ring

Prince of Death deep lore lol

Good lol

Well you walk in on him with his moth full and he’s pissed

He doesn’t deserve one. 😤

He does have one. He comes out of a grave.

i think the idea of gods having metaphysical effects in souls is a fairly underrated idea. not enough attention gets put on souls metaphysics.

Yeah now that you mention it, what happened to him between the games. different staff,robes,crown, he doesn't even use his bow to cast the rain of arrows,yet you the player can the bow with Aldrich's soul?

Now I'm stuck thinking that it was a magical girl transformation scene.

@@yeetkhajiit7 the boss soul has gwyndolin's in the middle. That is why you can get his bow

Well no the staff is said to be a imperfect replica of Gwyndolins original catalyst,as you can find one above pontiffs boss arena. It was given as a gift, but nothing can compare to the perfection of old. The crown probably follows the same logic. Also his clothes are just new ones, it has floral patterns and gold so I doubt it is from the cathedral. Also considering he was locked in the chamber for who knows how long stuff like his long nails could just be from no proper grooming.

That would have resulted in a more "Apparent" result

don't forget Gwyndolin has illusion magic Gwynevere, talking and seeing us, reacting to us. An illusory wall that cannot even be broken without a special ring even Ornstein in the O&S bossfight is theorized to be an illusion what's a pair of illusory boobs to him?

I need to go touch some grass.

@@dr.brightsamulet.3157 as your grasstouching went?

so technically, if aldritch ate only the legs and hip area, and gwyndolin is a boy would that make him gay???

@@cruiz4168 Maybe... Or maybe he was just _really_ hungry.

the three theories I've heard is yours, that they were illusory, that this is an effect of taking off his ring, or that the figure we can see isn't gwyndolin

I mean I would if I could ngl

In DS1 he's wearing the ring, in DS3 he isn't

@Scarlett what

My brother in Christ?!!

Thou shalt not commit such sacrilege.

Pathetic

let the innocent femboy go 😔 spare him from such sacrilege

The model for those statues are clearly just the regular models of those characters reskinned, so they just didn't bother giving Gwyn a slightly different face, or just forgot about it.

@@bigdumbfatcat2869DS3 feels like it was thrown together last minute.

@@dlwf11111 Ds1 you mean

@@cumchungus8841 sure maybe that second half, but DS2 and 3… idk what’s happened but I have come to hate them after a while. I hated 2 anyway and wasn’t sold on 3 when I played it but I’ve come back to listen to lore and it’s just annoying me how they finished it all off 😂

@@dlwf11111 your opinion I guess. My personal favourite is 3

Only because I wouldn't wish his fate, being devoured by Aldritch, on my worst enemy. But bro had to go. He was one of the last fragments of Gwyn's kingdom. He was the last one defending Anor Londo.

Nah he had it coming for keeping the age of the tyrannical gods going on

@@eren5148 I mean objectively he was making the world worse, but if you think about it from his perspective, he was just trying to save his family. Being born into that family, protecting them and his extended empire/age of fire would've been all he knew. Basically, from his perspective, he was doing the right thing, so imo he definitely didn't deserve the fate he received. But then, I feel like that punishment would've been way too harsh for almost anyone lol, but hey that's Dark souls, 70% of the cast get subjected unjustly to endless pain and torment.

What was planned for Anor Londo in DS3?

People act like this game is so intricate, that the developers took a lot of time to be super detailed with the game, but the more you dig, the more you realize how cobbled together it was.

Also, I'm pretty sure Gwyndolin's concept art for DS1 has him drawn with breasts.

Fromsoft repurposes assets all the time and writes new story around them which is fine, that's common practice in the industry. But DS3 suffers the worst from it

@@lordfarquaad8601 right, because that was concept art for the queen. Gywndolin as a character probably wasn't conceived at the concept art stage, they just reused the model they already had when they came up with him / decided not to go with whatever they were going to do

Your name suggests that you'd be interested in such things

@@darksungwyndolin8305 naturally, naturally

If youre still wondering, its because his model was repurposed from the model they made for gwyn's wife before they cut her out

I'm really kind of sad with DS3's presentation, DS1 perfectly portrayed a dying world through its atmosphere and enemy designs. DS3 resorts to cheap tricks like corpses that jumpscare you in irithyll dungeon and squishy viscera in Anor Londo to try and get the same feeling. DS1 will always be the best DS

me neither. i say it looked cooler in the first game.

Well you gotta think around 1000 years have passed since the 1st game so that’s 1000 years of wear n tear to his crown

Or, him being a royalty, he simply has many similar sets of wardrobe with nuanced difference.

It looks a lot rougher and less detailed than the original. Could be intepreted as a physical representive methaphor of the fall from grace the old gods experienced.

Yeah he would be significantly taller with actual legs showing that Gwynevere born in the age of fires prime could certainly be as large as the illusion

The actual reason for this is that Gwyndolin in DS3 is actually just using Prince Lothrics model with a change in outfit.

I thought this was supposed to be caused by Aldritch as a means to defend himself from the Ashen one (supposedly we arrive just in the middle of Aldritch devouring him), literally defiling his corpse and using it .

I thought this was supposed to be caused by Aldritch as a means to defend himself from the Ashen one (supposedly we arrive just in the middle of Aldritch devouring him), literally defiling his corpse and using it .

Unfortunately, he’s still alive. His moans are from the pain being consumed slowly. After he’s completely dead, Aldrich (glob monster consuming him) will use his corpse as he wishes.

He didn't devour them too. We as the Ashen Ones get drawn into this mess as soon as the revived lords go rogue. This is why you can literally follow a trail of Aldrich. We are basically chasing his "footsteps," just a little bit behind each lord's path. Basically we are Plan C, and an emergency one at that, rushed into dealing with the Lords so we can fix the world. As such all Aldrich had time to do was go devour Gwyndolin (and hilariously miss Rosaria/Gertrude hidden within his own territory). Had he devoured Priscilla we would have seen a trail of Aldrich ooze into the painting. The game is quite clear as to actually what is happening though. While he is devouring and puppeteering Gwyndolin Aldrich dreamt of the other gods, and is creating miracles based on those memories. Nito's Blade of Death and Priscilla's Lifehunt Scythe are just facsimiles created from the dream. That's why we can only acquire the scythe as a "miracle." Also, hilariously since we as the protagonist got there so quickly we literally interrupted his meal. Aldrich functions like a snake in that he is lethargic while digesting Gwyndolin, and the process of digestion takes a good bit of time... So basically we fought a weakened Aldrich, which is par for the course in Souls. Were he to finish devouring Gwyndolin the fight would have been far, far more harrowing. As for Priscilla, well... Technically she is in the game. The painting is a refurbishment of the original, which means that many of the residents have literally been reborn in the image unconsciously designed by Ariandel. The Corvians are just Velka's followers repainted, and fully explain that the world has to be remade or it rots away. As such, the Painter is basically a repainting of Priscilla. She speaks of a Mother, but that Mother she keeps talking about is Gwynevere, who as the goddess of birth would be able to teach her daughter the process of making a new world. This is hinted at a few visual ways in the game: the rotating statue of Gwynevere and young Priscilla leading to the boss room and the Corvians worshipping places the "Queen of Lothric" (Gwynevere) has visited. The basic irony of the DLC is Priscilla is ousted by her own followers because their memory of Priscilla is used by Friede, as she mimics Priscilla's original form. Priscilla's only true follower at that point is Gael, who was a slave knight from the Age of the Gods assigned to watch over her. To sum it all up, Priscilla is actually in the game alive but recreated into a young girl by the Painted World being altered. She, like the Corvian we speak to, has her memories intact and uses her knowledge to ask us to help her create a new world. The "body" in the Ariandel boss room is actually just made of wood, snake skin, wolf fur, and a statue head. Aldrich didn't even have time to go find Priscilla, although he did envision her as a "young girl" while dreaming. So he saw her in dreams but failed to nab her for his next meal. By the way, funnily enough with Priscilla this was the third time Miyazaki tried to make a child version of an existing character. The first two were Beatrix and the Emerald Herald, but this was the time he finally succeeded and got that child version in-game, albeit via DLC.

@@SpacePirateLord but why Rosaria is not Gwynevere? Both of them are associated with birth

@Nachal'nik Rosaria is her daughter Gertrude, you can tell by the wax in her hair from the Grand Archives. She was held in that cage above the Archive and rescued by her followers (another link being the Man Grub up there in the rafters). Gertrude is a goddess of similar purview to her mother Gwynevere (who is confirmed via item description to be the Queen of Lothric), but instead of birth she is the goddess of rebirth. Gwynevere herself, as per item description, pulled her same disappearing act as in Dark Souls 1 and simply left to some unknown location before the events of the game(but not before leaving Divine Blesssings in certain places). Gertrude however was captured by the scholars at the Grand Archive where they experimented on her. She was subjected to horrible torment and experimentation, and they even removed her tongue (and perhaps eyes too). She is a tortured emaciated mess by the time the Fingers save her and spirit her away to where you eventually find her. The irony of Rosaria's Fingers is they are the least evil of the red invader covenants, and Kirk returned as a Finger to display this. Bringing her the Tongues relieved her suffering, which Kirk was big on with the Fair Lady. His inclusion was deliberate to show that the Fingers, although evil in action, were trying to help their goddess. Though, mind you some of them like Heysel were just addicted to being reborn.

​@@SpacePirateLord Oh thank goodness,that puts me more at ease knowing that Priscilla is actually alive and well and turned out to be the painter all along 😸 Thank you very much for your amazing lore knowledge 😸

femboys🥺

Agree

Bruh he's an evil mf

​@@Poudrin 😳

eeeh yes and no, he's a good obedient boy, but he is as guilty as gwyn for the state of the world.

This is cannon

Someone in the comments said it could be that during the milennia between ds1 and ds3, Gywndolin stopped wearing his crown. And once Aldritch starts eating him and absorbing his knowledge, he has his corpse wear the crown as Gwyndolin remembers, the crown as shown in ds3, which is what vague memory he has of it left.

I was thinking about that video! I can't find it anymore either. It was so ridiculously funny, what a shame 😂

i was mad too man i get it

I do think of making a compilation of outros, but I lost some of them. My favorite is the Solaire one from the Gwyn video.

Lol ya reminds me of Scylla. I'm curious if it's an inspiration or just a random coincidence.

Ayo 🤨

@@darksungwyndolin8305 🥴

shitttt you’d have to pay me not to

don't give them ideas... they still have time to go back on Shadow of the Erdtree and do Miquella's boss fight with 6 Ulcerated Tree Spirits as his feet

Micah Bell

Solid

AS FEMILIIIII

Rykard.

trouser

lol gwyndolin has human thighs that connect to the snakes but the model for them looks super weird😆 I think there’s a cool boundary break video that shows em

Reversal ring doesn't give you breasts nor changes your body type, just your animations. This isn't a technical limitation as gender swapping was already a thing in Dark Souls 2. In 3 he looks incredibly emaciated (No fat for breast tissue) and with thin long arms, which could be justified as the consequences of being devoured and used as a puppet warping him, or a design change.

We have to remember that "time itself is convoluted, with heroes centuries old phasing in and out." There's a lot of details between each of the Dark Souls games that both prove and disprove any chronological order. For years, my headcanon has been the idea that the Gwyndolin of DS1 is an alternate timeline version of the Gwyndolin of DS3, where both had slightly different facial and body features. Alternatively, Gwyndolin's partial corpse in DS3 could appear so radically different due to Aldrich consuming/changing Gwyndolin. Perhaps, as much as Aldrich is gaining power, Gwyndolin's remaining body is being changed and morphed. Or, as you say, perhaps magic or artifacts are at play. Maybe Gwyndolin is a shapeshifter, somewhat like mythological Loki in the Norse pantheon, or maybe the Ring of Reversal has a significantly stronger effect on the intended bearer - that being, Gwyndolin. Personally, I think it's a mixture of the three.

@@khajiitimanus7432 Nothing to do with you but I'm so tired of that quote being used to justify anything in the lore when it was clearly meant to only justify the online play elements. You're free to have any head canon you like, I merely provided opposing evidence. Forgot to mention, who would be forcing him to wear the ring in Dark Souls 1? As he's the only figure of authority in Anor Londo left.

@@MinecraftSpongeT Respectfully, if you think that quote was merely justification for game mechanics, you're just fundamentally wrong. Smough, Aldrich, and the Chosen Undead prove this. Regardless, there's no point arguing the matter. Either you acknowledge the facts and agree, or you don't and then opt to disagree, in which case it's futile to continue this topic. As for your other question - I never said anyone was forcing Gwyndolin to wear the ring. Thus, I do not have an answer for you.

@@MinecraftSpongeT the reversal ring does not change the body type of *the player*. It's gameplay issue, not a in universe fact. Just like clutching some pieces of Velka's hair would never be viable in fighting, but for gameplay it work without problem. - Indoctrination is just as powerful as any fighting hand. He stayed in his father's tomb whithout being forced, too, kept the illusions up and remained there. but in the end Irythill's existence and fact that he stopped using the ring are enough proof that he had ambitions outside of Anor Londo. We don't know his reasons but the fact that he moved means that did have reasons both to stay and to leave Edit:format

Also rebuilt anor Londo and the dark moon and made it nice for a non defined amount of time until he fell ill

He’s dead in ds3, he isn’t protecting shit anymore

Finally a DMC stan!

This is exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you.

he is a feminine man

@@8304u too feminine

@@nachalnik5738 just feminine enough 😈

it’s part of an illusion. his model also has it but after the bossfight if you talk to him it’s gone

​@@Paperbat 🤨

It's not

Basically. Some parts are different but the base face and arms are the same.

face looks different

ipeople have tried to make a family tree, it's possible gwyndolin is son of gwyn and priscilla, with priscilla being seath's daughter (maybe with velka or gwinevere)

@@Sercroc It's far more likely that Priscilla is related to Gwyn, possibly his granddaughter. Because she is called an "illegitimate child", which implies royalty.

@@Tasorius according to the translation, seath is officially gwynevere husband, he is royalty in a sense, there is that

@@Sercroc I really need to go through the Japanese wiki and find hidden stuff that you can't find through the English text... Each page on the English wikis should have a translation section to make things a lot easier...

@@Tasorius yeah good thing there ar eyoutubers that do the job for us. That said, i just take it a sa possibility, but it checks, she is white and half dragon, so seath being her father is there, and they could have kille dher but decided to close her in th epainting, wich is all velka related, and gwindolin is pretty much doing velka's work with the darkmoons. Mnay things check and make it interesting for me

Aldrich is only the gue part, the human is gwyndolin, who is controlled and eaten by aldritch

Bc the way ps4 gwyndolin is animated made it unnecessary to model him very intricately