@@LucyLerma To be fair, they used archival footage to make him look younger for this scene, so I don't think they have archival audio of him saying the lines he said in this scene. I get what the two of you are saying but Harrison can still pull off the Indy voice so it probably wasn't thought of to use AI or whatever on his voice.
Harrison Ford probably asked them not to. I honestly don't understand why so many people are bothered about the voice. We got a lot of Harrison Ford in the de-aged performance. I have now seen the movie five times and I'm still not bothered by the voice. The difference is so subtle it doesn't matter. It's like people want to nitpick this movie to death. Imagine if the internet and social media was around during the original trilogy. How many people would have nitpicked the sudden terrain changes in Last Crusade? Or the obvious special effects in Temple of Doom? Or the terrain changes in that movie?
It's amazing how much money a studio will spend on effects only to not take that one last step that completes the movie (I'm looking at you Henry Cavil's Mustache)
They have a budget and schedule that has to be followed no matter what. I would like to say that this isn’t normal, but it is, very much so. If they didn’t give the VFX team enough time or money, and they couldn’t finish this, they’d still release it. This also infamously happened to Star Trek: The Motion Picture 44 years ago, and the film was released with a number of unfinished effects.
Why do they need to? I've seen the movie five times and I don't mind that his voice sounds just a bit older. And had they done it, so many people would have gotten online and complained about it just like they did for Vader's voice in the Obi-Wan show. "Is it really James? Earl Jones?! It sounds digital!" etc.
@@Kpengie there really isn't that much difference. This is one of the stupidest online controversies I have seen recently. And I 100% believe that had they gone the digital voice alteration route, the same people complaining about this would have complained about it not sounding "human" in the exact same way people were complaining about Darth Vader in Obi-Wan. "His voice range is so narrow. It sounds so digital. The credits say James Earl Jones but are we sure it's him and not AI?" etc. And they complain about Luke's voice in the Mandalorian too. At the end of the day we got a lot of Harrison Ford in the performance. He did most of the motion capture and he did the voice. I much prefer that over any other solution that people have talked about since the film released. People were going to complain about this film regardless. But the voice during the opening sequence is not something that I saw on my bingo card.
Okay, his voice sounds a lot younger, but it also sounds like somebody just reading the lines and bored. At least Ford actually said he tried to give his voice a younger register during this sequence.
@@daltysmilth There are times he emotes as Indiana hell it's in all of the original trilogy, especially with Satipo in Raiders, then later with Jock his getaway pilot and with Marion.
A more advanced AI could have pulled it off, I think they just wanted to respect Harrison and not turn him into a fully CG character, keep some humanity. And while I respect that, it probably wasn’t best for the film.
Hey pal, you did an amazing job 🙌 KUDOS 🤩 Fun fact: I'm Italian, and in my country we had two different voice actors dubbing our favorite archaeologist... Old Indy was dubbed by Michele Gammino (Harrison Ford's historic voice), while Young Indy was dubbed by... Roberto Gammino, one of Italy's most talented voice actors and, most of all, Michele's son! I'm glad we did this, it was such a beautiful and romantic choice ❤
YES!!! I was wondering why they didn't go this route in the actual film. Young Harrison is a lot more convincing this way. Are you planning to do anymore edits of the film? I'd love to see more!
They should've done this with his voice. This is spot on. Harrison Ford did the best he could, but they could've tweaked it in a few places during the WWII portion of the film.
This voice replacement is SO good, the vocals just perfectly match the state that young Indy would be in... This actually reminds me of the problems from the "Irishman" film, it's a good watch, but when you watch their physical movements or any other attributes, while they used CGI and Face Deepfakes, it can take you out completely... Good show CHAP!
Wouldn’t be surprised if they did try an AI voice, but it didn’t work too well. I do prefer the original voice anyway, more natural and actually has Ford’s vocal mannerisms.
@@Julianjulesr1361 And yet... :) It did sound a bit robotic, but it sounded like an imperfect reproduction of Ford's voice when he did the originally trilogy. The original sounds like 80-year-old Ford mixed with too-cartoony CGI face animations.
@@Julianjulesr1361 - Fair enough. For me, the original version _doesn't_ really sound natural when coming from that younger CGI face. When I hear the AI version (which I don't think would necessarily be the final version of it), I hear a bit of the digital artifacting in it, but that's _less_ noticeable to me than the older voice.
It’s weird because there are moments in this opening scene that sound like young Harrison Like the lines “hey wait a second guys” and “you wanna stop for a little lie down?” Sound just like him in his prime.
It sounds amazing, and i would love to see the full sequence with Young Indy's voice but i think the main reason why they didn't altered Harrison's voice was because it would have been another layer into his performance and it would have been a little too much... Maybe were trying to be respectful to his performance so was more of a compromise His face was gonna be altered but not his voice
This is absolutely mind blowing! 😱How it's possible that passionate fans/amateurs almost always end up doing far superior job with their home computers compared to giant movie studios with billions of money? 😕When I was watching these flashback scenes at the movie theater I was already thinking that "Somebody in the internet will make better job than this again." And I was right. Hearing young Harrison Ford speaking with old voice really put me off from the movie but this clip immediately felt like a real time travel back to eighties and original Indy trilogy. Incredible job!
Above all of the CGI muck in this opening sequence, the one thing that 100% took me out of it was hearing current day Harrison Ford's voice coming out of 80's era Indiana Jones. This is already so nicely done and helps take the uncanny sort of edge away from this scene a bit. I sincerely hope you're able to do the entire sequence at some point!
Much better! Good work, Jason. Can't believe they didn't even de-age his voice. Man, this film got so close to greatness and to be overall good, but they dropped the ball too often.
I'd be happy with a version edited to include just this clip - his raspy voice in the later flashback scenes is explained by the fact he's just been hanged! Thanks!
This is great. They DEFINITELY should always do this moving forward. Young people sound different from old people, nothing personal.... all film is art.... so do what is best for the final outcome. The voice sounds perfect.
Good job man, a little on the monotone side, but I mean its Harrison Ford haha. Sounds like his narration from Blade Runner, but he definitely sounds his age from that era of Indy. I don’t understand why Lucasfilm doesn’t hire youtube sound and deepfake vfx artists. This film was really missing the Ben Burtt sound design for sure.
This is fantastic although there are AIs that can match performance. I'm not sure if that's what was used but I do believe if ILM would have used the voice AI, at least for the scenes where he's talking lower, it would've been much better as they could have had Harrison emphasize certain lines like the "you lost!" which the AI sounds more like "you loss!" They also could've mixed and matched certain lines like when they pick him up and he says, "hey guys!" the ordinal sounds much better than the AI. I'm not a huge fan of the AI voice technology but if it were used in cases like this, it could be very useful and having the original actor doing the performance and basically de-aging their voice is most definitely ethical. I believe they did that for Mark Hamill's voice in Mandalorian. Same studio. I don't see why they didn't do it here.
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This is really better. I think they could´ve tried something like that or, even better, hired a vocal artist to do his younger voice.
Impressive. Only issue is when Indy is laying down the facts of the Nazi’s current predicament. It’s too monotone. He sounds bored. Other than that, great job.
Saw the movie yesterday and immediately on hearing Harrison Ford's aged gruff voice the illusion broke for a moment. I mentally readjusted and went along with it but a younger Indy has to have a younger voice, I kept thinking - why did they give a younger Indy an 80-year old voice box?
It's better. I am stunned that the modern CGI wizards in Hollywood can't figure out how to digitally alter a voice. This is something that has been technologically possible for a lifetime. If you look at various cuts and deleted scenes of Superman II, you can see how they altered Zod and Ursa's voices electronically to punch them up, and they sound great.
His current voice is a lot raspier & the delivery slower than his younger voice (EDIT: this younger AI voice.) I haven't rewatched his older movies in quite a while, so the difference is quite stark to me.
This definitely is more authentic to the continuity of this scene but I actually prefer him sounding a little older knowing it was Harrison Ford himself that did the voice over a computer generating the voice
I’m not a fan of films being altered after the fact but this is one where they could update the de-aging effects and fix this voice issue. Also they could try removing every single shot of PWB.
Sure wish the delay in the home video release would be because they've de-aged his voice or brought in a voice actor to re-do the lines. It's so much better and more convincing with his younger voice matching his younger face.
I was still impressed by the deaging but I noticed that this is set a few years after the Last Crusade he looks like he did in 1981 here but mind you Harrison Ford never really started aging till well past the mid 90s in The Fugitive he almost looks like he does here considering he was 40 at the time of Raiders he has genes made of Platinum and he still has a full head of hair and is physically fit at 31 with a receding hairline and a curved back I'm slightly envious 😅
Yeah he probably looks slightly too young in some shots but I can buy he's about the same age as he was in last crusade. Maybe drinking from the grail rejuvenated him
Also this scene was perfect, apart from 0:28. Something really off with his eyes, like they should have been brighter with the torchlight shining in them.
I think the voice AI, in addition to allowing one to read a voice off of a script, can be transposed onto other voices. I've seen this with the voice AI transposed onto vocals for songs. What if you transposed the young Indy voice onto the old Indy?
I actually didn't notice. I've been used to gravelly-voiced Ford for awhile now. I also figured in this scene, where he does the most talking against a quiet background, his gravelly voice worked because he was telling the German officer basically to go to hell.
its very good isnt it, much closer. i can see why they may not have used the technique in a finished film though as there are some quality control issues with it. the bitrate sounds verys compressed and doesnt have the dynamic range of the original. also, their is some sync issues and some of the performance is a bit robot like.
Redone is much better. It felt like mid adult tone of Indiana Jones instead the original tone sucks that it auto tune of using old Harrison's voice but not fixing it down like why? Why could'nt they done that like using young Luke in either Mandolorian and Book of Boba Fett in chop down young voice?
His voice was mostly fine, but it was really obvious in this first scene and it took me out of the film. I hope they remaster it in the future George Lucas style (never thought I’d say that) your edit shows what they could potentially do to make it better
The Japanese version has always been voiced by one person, except in his youth. So I didn't feel anything different about this film. Am I right in saying that your reaction is that it is a pity that the voice is so old, even though the film shows him as a young man? (I am using a translator, apologies if there are any flaws.)
See the problem is half of it sounds great but the other half doesn’t, not because of emotions but because Harrison physically talks different now. His mouth moves different. His older self performance shines thru on the deaging effect and it simply doesn’t work throughout unfortunately
I didn’t know your voice changes after puberty. I thought the only time in a man’s life when they’re voice changes was during puberty, I didn’t know their voice can change when they get older.
