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Interrupted turning 

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Torture testing our second generation CoroTurn Prime B inserts.
We are very happy with the results and like to share these spectacular pictures.
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Programming Marcel Köngeter
Sandvik Coromant
#CTXGamma1250TC #programming #testing
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@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Год назад
Damn. Any real machinist will admire how impressive this is. Ive never seen anything like this. Normally to do something like this, i have to go 10 thousandths at a time or less, so i dont chip my carbide.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Thanks man, great comment. I learned from turning soft jaws that sometimes cutting speed helps a lot with the tool life. So soft jaws from 16MnCr5 i use 250 to 300 m/min dry for the roughing. Sorry for talking metric only. We are planing a video about this topic (jaw machining) Best regards
@PBMS123
@PBMS123 Год назад
That seems odd. I just did on a manual lathe a massive square block (15x8mm square plates 175x175mm bolted together) and was able to do 1.2mm (50 thou) DoC, and .12mm/rpm (4.7thou/rpm) with a basic WNMG insert..
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Год назад
@@PBMS123 Steel?
@PBMS123
@PBMS123 Год назад
@@ChefofWar33 yes
@adammiller4879
@adammiller4879 Год назад
@@PBMS123 yeah you’re right it’s not hard to do interrupt cut with basic geometry
@jiggsthedrummer3358
@jiggsthedrummer3358 Год назад
Most aggressive interrupted turning I've ever seen. Why are you feeding towards the tailstock? For the cut geometry on the tool? And is it that drastic angle that allows the aggressiveness to work? Kind of like high-feed milling inserts.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
You are right ! its the same principle. you have to go in this direction to get a 90° shoulder at the left side of the component. www.sandvik.coromant.com/de-de/campaigns/primeturning/pages/default.aspx?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqoibBhDUARIsAH2OpWjcj-P8BtZu2Bt8ZCJu1sm9HkX4qz_-9QqrlF2-t9S3vvTg0j_sY-saAoKKEALw_wcB
@Kitsyfluff
@Kitsyfluff Год назад
Turning that direction is called prime turning, it allows faster feeds due to the geometry of the insert.
@potato2275
@potato2275 Год назад
@@Kitsyfluff Isn't PrimeTurning(™) just turning using Sandvik's Prime turning tools. You absolutely can go towards the spindle with them.
@huntereakright8988
@huntereakright8988 Год назад
joe pie always said to turn away from the spindle because once the part/tool starts ringing/chattering they dont wanna stop and starting far away from the spindle [will] commence the ringing
@adammiller4879
@adammiller4879 Год назад
All the cutting force against the bulk of the insert Instead of the tip, pretty common thing in the trade for something like this.
@timhofstetter5654
@timhofstetter5654 Год назад
Oh, that's BRUTAL...! It'd be a piece of cake for HSS tooling, though. You can do that sort of thing without even thinking about it if you use jig-ground HSS tooling. Remember... all end mills do this sort of interrupted-cut thing every time they're used.
@Chiefonenut
@Chiefonenut Год назад
Cardide endmills included
@policebox1092
@policebox1092 Год назад
Awesome
@mattcaesar5781
@mattcaesar5781 Год назад
So what tool was this and what was your speeds and feeds?
@potato2275
@potato2275 Год назад
Appears to me as a Sandvik Coromant PrimeTurn type B roughing insert.
@nickhale117
@nickhale117 Год назад
How to get a square peg to fit in a round hole lol
@samagainaloneandin1464
@samagainaloneandin1464 Год назад
Philosophically xD
@NelioPutki
@NelioPutki Год назад
Idk. You gotta work at sandvik and move to finland
@MF175mp
@MF175mp Год назад
I once turned a rotor off a gerotor motor shorter to make the motor smaller. Just for fun as I got the motor for free and it was too big. Using chinese carbide. It's so hard that HSS can't even scratch it and very much an interrupted cut. The strategy that worked the best was to engage as deep as possible and feed very slowly. If trying to just take a low depth of cut like most people will intuitively try it would chip the insert immediately.
@shadowdsfire
@shadowdsfire Год назад
Interesting. Why are you feeding from left to right?
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
With this tool you can go in both directions. But in this direction you have a high feed geometry. This thins the chip and gives better stability. Also its this direction to be able to do 90° shoulders on the left side of the component.
@michaelpawluk6791
@michaelpawluk6791 Год назад
Turning between centers 101
@ferdiscop16
@ferdiscop16 Год назад
Nice Schunk chuck
@braddavis4377
@braddavis4377 Год назад
I had to do this with forged parts. Not nearly as big as this but I do appreciate what went into doing this job. But to be honest, I don't understand what is the benefit of doing this rather than turning already round stock; I get a forged part because it's already close to shape. But this stock was made round from square? Can someone fill me in as to why? Good job!
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
The benefit is that we see how stable the tool is
@machinistmikethetinkerer4827
@@machiningmaniacs4131 I was wondering the same thing as he said. So this odd stock was used just as an example to show tool geometry. Check got it. Cool vid.
@BigSkyCurmudgeon
@BigSkyCurmudgeon Год назад
@@machiningmaniacs4131 is it worth the undue pressure on the live center and the center driver? that impact does create some ungodly bounces.
@Thequeenofclean2016
@Thequeenofclean2016 Год назад
Mega ❤
@jyrkivirtanen2164
@jyrkivirtanen2164 Год назад
Nice work! i have similar project with our dmg ctxgamma2000. I am new with millturn machines with b axis. Is this only a test cut or are you confident with machine to run like that all the time without broke anythink?
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Sorry I was off RU-vid for a while Of curse it was just a test cut it’s like Riding a car hard … it will wear out more quickly. I would suggest using the turret and go a bit more gently. I’m general they are great machines and they can take more then you think Best regards
@grtntgod
@grtntgod Год назад
Wow!
@albertobelotti4811
@albertobelotti4811 Год назад
Capto ❤️❤️❤️
@ap1s2k78
@ap1s2k78 Год назад
Why not start of with round stock? Or is this just a flex lol. Either way it's badass.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Thanks it was a test ending up as a bit of a flex 😉
@phd_eng_Marinov
@phd_eng_Marinov Год назад
Aber Wunderbar!!! Awesome!!!
@roflkopter
@roflkopter Год назад
wannabe bilingual
@GickelsGaming
@GickelsGaming Год назад
"CHALLENGE ACCEPTED: HOLD MY BEER" was how this video came about
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
haha exactly this is how it went down !
@93Abydos
@93Abydos Год назад
For interrupted surfaces I use bigger insert radius. Like r0.8, r1.6. Never seen before this vid it is legit to feed backward. It makes sense Btw. Going to try it next time!
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Make sure to use the right tool for it, in the video description you can check the webpage, prime B tool and the insert grade according to the material you have to cut In this way to cut the tool radius is not affected at all 😉
@manofausagain
@manofausagain Год назад
How come you don't face mill the corners off first to remove more material? Wouldnt that be quicker then turning them down?
@manofausagain
@manofausagain Год назад
After reading comments I understand why. If you really want to test your inserts, find a rough cast iron part. Silica inclusions love to shatter carbide edges.
@BlackSkyUploadTube
@BlackSkyUploadTube Год назад
Is the tip okay? I think it has got lots of striking damages
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
We had to use 3 cutting edges for the whole job. Over 30minutes time in cut total. And about 10 minutes for each edge. Very impressive. But this is nothing scientific. We just gave it a try 😉
@Mhh90
@Mhh90 Год назад
This is the equivalent of running down your nails against a chalkboard
@Evil-Jesus
@Evil-Jesus Год назад
Hot rolled stock
@ilya0ship
@ilya0ship Год назад
Красавчики, круглое из квадратного, квадратное из гкруглого.
@sanjeen2503
@sanjeen2503 Год назад
Slow Mo technique at 0:29 is called undersampling. It is not true slo-mo, rather you lower the frame rate enough that the camera takes a shot nearly at the time when the particular face of the job is towards the camera. That's why the chips seem to be placed randomly in each frame.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Good observation we took the time laps setting on the GoPro an I love this effect. I think the frame rate and the revs matched quite good a this pass
@sanjeen2503
@sanjeen2503 Год назад
@@machiningmaniacs4131 yeah it's amazing 👍. I should also mention that the material also seemed to be magically getting removed without contacting the tool 😅
@shantanupawar3609
@shantanupawar3609 Год назад
Why no coolant was used?
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
in interrupted cuts its sometimes beneficial for the tool live, here mostly to have a nice video
@desmondmcguire3158
@desmondmcguire3158 Год назад
Idk about this one!!!
@cantthinkofnameyeah7249
@cantthinkofnameyeah7249 Год назад
I'm guessing most set ups would just break trying this.
@j2mf
@j2mf Год назад
Next. Piramidal 2 square.
@mattiasarvidsson8522
@mattiasarvidsson8522 Год назад
but you have a dmg mori .. cheaters 😅
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
With a 2000Nm high torque spindle 😉
@ericschreiber1847
@ericschreiber1847 Год назад
Try that in inconel
@ericschreiber1847
@ericschreiber1847 Год назад
@@riorossco8575 try it
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
It’s not going to happen 🤣 but some inconel video is in the pipeline
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Год назад
@@riorossco8575 Different cutting data, as in would take 36 hours to complete. XD
@inkognito8642
@inkognito8642 Год назад
Das nächste mal gleich ein rundes Teil nehmen... läufts besser!
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Das kann ja jeder 😉
@nendisuhendi_vision
@nendisuhendi_vision Год назад
It's seem like prime turning, isn't it ?
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Yes it is
@user-dm8vh8yy4y
@user-dm8vh8yy4y Год назад
один вопрос - Зачем ?
@hztn
@hztn Год назад
- В описании всё указано.
@weldmachine
@weldmachine Год назад
Look MUM 🤔 I made a ⬛️ piece of material into a ☻️piece of material 🙂 That's good Son.
@FLASHkor
@FLASHkor Год назад
5axis? OoO
@thomasgrafe8767
@thomasgrafe8767 Год назад
Ahja DeckelMahoGildemeister/MoriSeiki
@samrowe2889
@samrowe2889 Год назад
What was the point of this ??? Why wud u cast a block of steel just to mill it into a cylinder u cud have just cast a cylinder
@user-hd1ow8pg4i
@user-hd1ow8pg4i Год назад
В чём прикол такого обратного точения? Нагрузка на подшипник шпинделя, подшипники вращающегося центра, нагрузки на привода в разы выше чем обычным точением. Через месяц такого точения станок можно сдать в металлолом.
@maksim_sid
@maksim_sid Год назад
И какой в этом смысл 😅
@phd_eng_Marinov
@phd_eng_Marinov Год назад
Just to demonstrate the tool performance and machine stability. We were in tool test research, extreme conditions. 🙂
@user-kk5qe9fj2l
@user-kk5qe9fj2l Год назад
nice way to destroy the tolerances of your machine.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Peace of cake for this machine 🎂
@drivenauthority916
@drivenauthority916 Год назад
Why such big material? They make a thing called round bar stock too. I can make this part 10x faster and probably a few times cheaper.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
It was just a test
@connorpollard2009
@connorpollard2009 Год назад
Well done do you want a medal? I can’t seem to see that part of the title that says ‘most efficient turning possible’
@markhosbach9420
@markhosbach9420 Год назад
Why would they not purchase a forged round for this application? Wasted material.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
It was just a test to see how stable the the tool is, and there will be more to come on this component…
@jadedcarton
@jadedcarton Год назад
Yo
@ucuy3706
@ucuy3706 Год назад
Gớm
@phd_eng_Marinov
@phd_eng_Marinov Год назад
it is 😀
@JohnBoyDeere
@JohnBoyDeere Год назад
Feeding backwards, not real smart...
@IHWKR
@IHWKR Год назад
That's an incredible amount of waste that seems like it could have easily been spared.
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
No waste everything will be recycled
@user-me1mo9kh2b
@user-me1mo9kh2b Год назад
Когда коту делать нечего ,он яйца лижет)))
@phd_eng_Marinov
@phd_eng_Marinov Год назад
Actually, there is tight described test method, tool stability, grade test performance of the new P25 grade
@therock8610
@therock8610 Год назад
Un tondo non lo vendevano?? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@fabriziobrutti1205
@fabriziobrutti1205 Год назад
Ma noo era uno stress test ahah
@YoDaPro
@YoDaPro Год назад
You are torture testing your spindle as well :(.
@ChefofWar33
@ChefofWar33 Год назад
Thats a DMG Mori bro.
@PrinceAndrewFucksKids
@PrinceAndrewFucksKids Год назад
This is so cool. What's the song name?
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
Check the video description 😉
@PrinceAndrewFucksKids
@PrinceAndrewFucksKids Год назад
@@machiningmaniacs4131 thank you very much. I wasn't expecting a response. I'm slowly building up my tool collection for fixing motorbikes and an extra tool I'd love is a lathe, just need to pester the wife lol. I'll definitely subscribe. Have a nice day 😁
@FUCK_________googIe
@FUCK_________googIe Год назад
Why not just cut the corners off the damn workpiece first
@ChainsawFPV
@ChainsawFPV Год назад
Agreed.
@FUCK_________googIe
@FUCK_________googIe Год назад
Right? Like, there's no need to run an extra 60lbs of chips off just to make a point... or whatever the point was
@machiningmaniacs4131
@machiningmaniacs4131 Год назад
All corners where cut for you’re entertainment 😉
@sir-richard4172
@sir-richard4172 Год назад
This is not a big deal.
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