Inverted Kingpin - Independent Mids - Whale Talk 

Ron Whaley is the consummate professional man seriously imagine being a saying everything he says here (over sixteen minutes of pure information) as well as he says it with as much patience, clarity, and enthusiasm . . . and also being a pro skater. This is the new bar for infomercials and associated personalities.

Seeing Ron talk about Indy's is like listening to Bo Jackson talk about himself in third person wearing Adidas ⭐

After riding the 144 mid for about 1.5 months now, I'd even go as far and say that they ride better with 54mm wheels than 53mm ones. Also haven't had any wheelbite problems despite riding pretty loose trucks. For anyone curious, I am currently riding the Elite Nomads from OJ in 54mm and before that was riding the F4 Conical in 53mm.

These are some of the best things in skateboarding. Knowledge, history, and good skating! Can you do a video on why wheel companies use made up durometers? And if the scale doesn't apply, who makes the final number call? Finally, can you all just agree to use the same scale? 🙂 It won't hurt sales, and will actually help I believe! (Same for trucks, just go by axel length and call it a day. Indy's will still kick ass lol)

12:17 This was very educational. Thank you! I'm skating a flight deck with Indy 144 titanium trucks and some 54mm bones V6. I now realize that my board does indeed spin around these heavier wheels when doing the straight eight... I think if I swap out my current base plates & kingpins with this new inverted design it would balance out my board.

Just ordered some on strength of this video. Happy Xmas to me 😁 🎄 🛹

Got some of these with 54 mm wheels. They are awesome and no wheel bite.

Thank you for this long detailed tech talk ! 👍 very fun to watch

Appreciate how in depth this is. The hollow mids sound great will wait for those. I got the forged hollow now 144 and they are the best trucks ever imo

Dude, love your videos! No joke your a huge help for née skateboarders. Hell even old crusty guys like me for all the new shit! Keep going dude!

10:55 such a great poem *I never had that was so wide with trucks so wide that flipped so easily and felt so light.*

I always prefered small wheels because I could flip better. I tought it was sonething in my mind and it doesn´t matter. But after this masterclass I totally understood it. Thanks Ron. Now gonna ride my mids.

Indy return to the USA PLEASE!

Since I watched this video about this Independent Mids. I bought 2 pairs of them 144 and 149mids. And still shredding the 149. Thank you. I'm from Philippines

I'm waiting on the the forged baseplates and lighter axles to snag some 159s. As always totally stoked on The Whale Talk Ron, you're always an interesting addition to my RU-vid feed.

Happy holidays Ron!! Been a fan since the SMA days

Thanks for sharing, I got a lot out of this.

Great video Ron! Any update on when the forged, titanium axle mids are coming out? Thanks!

Really excited for these. Stage 11’s were a bit too tall for me. I loved the stage 10s to death and these look really similar. The inverted kingpin is just the cherry on top!

thankyou so much i never knew anything about mids def gonna get a pair of 159 mids

I don’t care what anybody say.... independent trucks are the best. I’ve been using indys since the early 80 and will for life!

This guy could make me buy anything

I got some 143 and love them

Inverted Kingpin on the standards sounds amazing 🤤🤤🤤

Thank you so much for addressing wether the bushings from standard Indy's would also fit into mids do you know if the same applies to forged hollow mids too, I've been looking for this vital piece of info everywhere on the net to confirm if I should buy them or not, buying some right now, thank you 🔥🔥👌👌

I think these are the best truck ever made. The mids arr perfect

Ron is the man

Inverted kingpins are a game changer

After holding out on the stage XI bc of the height change and knowing i was already going to have to buy a set of conical bushings, i got my hands on some 144 hollow/reynolds with 92a conicals. Not that bad. At times i miss having 159 stage X standards on my 8.38....but now theyre designated for my 8.8-9.25 shaped boards in the quiver or the occasional 8.6 pop; along with the venture 6.1s. Ill probably ride these for a bit and finally try ACE AF1's for the first time, still not sure if ill go with 8.35" aces or 8.75" since i love massive axle/hanger for park/flow and nose grinds and cross hanger crook locks. Just when you roll your ankle from time to time, its nice to have a smaller/lighter truck to help when you still want to skate/sesh but just arent 100%. Considering ive rode 8.75" axle for like the last 10 years. Its nice having smaller trucks to lock into smith grinds on coping the smith/wheel lock is a lot easier with smaller trucks, but larger hangers= tweaked nose grinds and cross hanger crooks. Also Nose/tail slide pop out feel is a lote more different when youre wheels are wider on the surface of a ledge from 159 to 144s. With conical wheels for life. 54 SFW, 53mm ghettochild, 56mm 101a satori. Never tried F4 but im in no rush. Ill probably try F4's down the road when i finally try some aces, i still got my eye on some OJ/NATAS wheels for a shaped setup.....and really want to try F4 radial full 57mms before i try F4 conical fulls. So i have some skating/setups to conquer before then. Still the lock/dip of smiths in transition is a nice perk with the 144 mids. TBH the mids have me more curious to try 159 mids now than aces in general. I think ill swap the 159s on the shaped board with some ventures so i can slappy them out of the collection. I really cant "afford" to slappy with the stage X bc theyre the last og hangers/baseplates i have left. I pretty much reserve them for metal coping and pool coping only. Which is why i had to get a new pair of indys. Id say theyre alright i cant give a complete opinion untill i try some 8.75" mids....and some 8.75" aces...to really KNOW what ill land on. Still having a quiver doesnt hurt. Just choose a setup based on where youre going to skate or how you feel like skating that day. XD so you out yourself as the GUY for why krux "dont turn" Lol Respect i tried some polka dot ones and some mirror down lows back in the day when i was still learning a bag of tricks. Im probably riding some of wilsons "prototype' indy pivot cups right now on the stage X the local shop had a bag of em a few years back.

I'm skating a set of these on a Krooked Ray Barbee and 53mm OJ Elites. They're good trucks. I've been skating Independent trucks for decades, and I was a bit bummed on these. They don't turn like a set of stage 11's.

I have the og Stage 11 Mids from 2012 or whenever. Not sure about the turning thing cause i keep them tight af lol Rear tighter than the front for better balance (since i'm 46). As for those VS a newer Indy Mid (Reynolds, Lemos etc...) They definitely seem to "handle" better.

I like skating indys with the forged baseplate (53.5 mm high) with risers and 58mm wheels. Gives me a little more speed than riding standards height indys (55mm high) with 56mm wheels. The pop feels the same on both. No ghost pop when switching between setups.

They’re also the heaviest of Indy’s

Mine got loose from the insert i had to give them away, im just a newbie i can't even Ollie up a curve and in less than a year the wiggly king pin was a like the king pin from the Walmart Tony hawk board with the metal trucks, i ended up buying regular king pin trucks

If you were to put risers on the mids, would they equal to the Indy standards height?

Love my stage 11 144 hollows...my dream truck is an indy w a forged baseplate, the inverted kingpin and titanium axlerod. Take my money. Switched to indy after biting on thunders too much..even on 50s...never goin back.

can I change the bushings on the mids? I want to ride them with the red 88a indy bushings.

Independent Quality Trucks Ride The Best Orange 1s!👍 _Lovin Indy MiDs_

I like them but super difficult to tighten at first! Broke my unit tool, had to step on an allen wrench to use my body weight as leverage.

Is there a reason why the cross is not on the baseplates anymore?

is the indy mids baseplate same as the aftermarket inverted king pin baseplate? I wanna swap the 6 hole from 159 indy mids with the after market IKP baseplate..

I’m gonna buy some 159 mids for my 8.8 stump so I can tell the homies about the shaft nut. Also just because they seem rad. But Ron makes everything seem rad. He’s a rad dude.

Make some hollow inverted base plates :)

is there any magnesium indys? I want to grind anything!

Any thoughts on the indies vs ace on carving. Always hear good thing about the way Ace’s carve. I got the indie stage 11 149 titanium on my 8.5. I may set up a 8.75 next. So I would either go with these 11s in 159 or try the aces.

I have the indi mid 149s and my front truck always comes loose, does anyone know why this is ?

13:23 When he says making them 50.5 mm high, is that taking the Mid Hangar and using forged baseplate ? Or the other way around ?

Where are those Forge Titaniums MIDS??? :-) Need them

Hi Ron, great video! I’m skating the Boats 8.8 shape with 159 Hollow’s, 1/8 risers, and 54mm Nomads. If I switched only the trucks to the Mid’s and left everything else, would it still give me more pop? Or could I get away with either eliminating the risers or switching to the 53mm Nomads and keep the risers? I’m 45 years old and still trying to keep a smoother ride for my feet .

I really do think Truck companies should sell a separate Hangers.coz that gets mostly abused.been thinkin bout that for years, but thats just my opinion.. Cheers Ron

Id LOVE some forged/hollow/titanium/inverted mids

compared to ace trucks and destructo d2 mids (both are 52mm), how well do these stack?

👌🏼👌🏼

An important question to ask. I was thinking if the nylon lock in the shaft nut get loosened up easily after daily use? As it seems like there is no way to replace that nut inside.thanks 🙏🏻

If you add 1/8" risers to a pair of mids the total height should be 55.18 mm. Beyond the inverted kingpin, what would be the benefits of mids over standards in that scenario?

Ron what size shoe do you wear? I’m a 14 and that 8.8 stump is sounding like a great call.

Would the height of the mids help you pop better on a board with steep kicks like FA and Hockey boards? Thanks, just want to know before trying them out

I still miss my Furys

Will the inverted kingpin base plate come in 6 hole for us old school deck guys? I’m gonna push for 159 to come standard with 6 hole baseplates. Especially the forged base plates

My issue is I'm not tiago, so I could not get over the weight. The hollow is not enough of difference and then the forged are lighter but then it's a low truck and not a mid.

I miss the Independent Low Trucks,year 2013..please make a Indi low again.and the Wheels 49mm.

Hey Ron, where are those Mid forged Titaniums bruh...? @nhsskatedirect

Bones bushings will fit on the mids?

Shaftnut stickers?

genius title

Will a hanger from a 144 standard swapped to the mid baseplate achieve exact mid ride height of 52mm? Or is only a new mid hanger?

🤙🏽

I always ride Thunders but these mid indys are gettin me

It's almost the end of 2021, where them titanium mids at?!?!?!

56mm and up. Type of wheels I ride. Really want to try a set of mids on my Mike V reissue. (Sorry for mentioning the competition. But best believe I have a Mike Conroy crystal ball reissue in my quiver, a Winkowski Bird Cage that's worth too much to set up, and a 9in Creature stumps on 159 indy hollows with 55mm Mini Hot Juice as my everyday commuter board!) I mention this because I'm going with 60mm wheels on the reissue. But I really want to push myself with getting higher pops on my Ollie's. Mids look great for this. I really wish indy made half inch risers. Does any other brand in the NHS fam make half inch risers?

Shaftnut!

Are you going to sell aftermarket forged baseplates?

Dees shaft nutz

So it’s the hanger which changed the height?

im between this ones and some hollow indys for street... any opinions?

Ohhh I see FILAS on the feets. They making skate shoes now? Or just comfy and feel good on a board?

I support the trucks and the idea here but the audio is not synced with the video. It looks like a Godzilla movie translated to English.

hey ron, i just bought a pair of these last week , and the inverted kingpin keeps on falling off and loosening . i've been riding indy for 16 years and loved these but this is really a waste of money ;(

maybe i have my setup wrong i use indy stage 11 standards with 1/8 riser and 54mm wheels

Im waiting for the hollow version and a pro model thats coloured red😅

What truck company did Ron used to run?

WE NEED KRUX MID 52MM DLK!!!!!!

What happens if you break the kingpin? Are you gonna sell that sleeve and the inverted kingpin?

first comment, free trucks!!! love u Whale!

I want the inverted kingpin baseplate but the light and low version of the titanium Indys, just with an inverted kingpin. Please give me that ok :) ?

Let me necro this vid. I just learned about the baseplate set a few days ago. I'm totally going to throw a 9 inch Ace AF1 hangar on it. The best of all worlds. Ace technology, with the best turning baseplate ever made, and a reversed kingpin to boot. Oh and Indy... Move back to producing back in the USA or you're going to lose your riders one by one.. We're sick of broken axles, even the titanium ones break, Chinese crap is cheap and beneath you.. Get your game back!

Why isn’t there a logo on my front of my mid trucks?

Right off the bat I noticed the wheels are entirely too small for that setup.....skate fast...man...

did he just say he test piloted Tim's shaft nut? ..... where's Michael Scott at when you need him.

Is it just me or is the audio sync out of whack?

I have the stage 11 reynolds hollow 139, with indy 1/8 shock pad... Is this a mid truck already? Because without the shock pads i get wheel bite... And how would these pop any better than the 139 stg11 reynolds.. (the black box with white lettering and red indy logo)

make these in hollow

did they just bring back the stage 10 lows add a new kingpin and call them mids? thats my guess

In same size as Standard Stage 11 MiD Truck will weigh more than 10 grams.

If you dont live in America you might have to wait and tell 2030 when stock gets shipped.

Whats hilarious about this is unless your one of the chosen ones indys make you have bad style

My shaft nut wiggles like a mf and I can’t tighten my trucks what can I do

Whaley rides krux all the time, people out here saying he's really selling these indys... yes... because he's paid to duh. so many indy riders leaving in recent years for ace and thunder

Listen to this guy talk is torturous. I support his skating but god damn i couldn't listen to it haha

No mids......