Rahman Amouzadkhali used this move on the way to his 2021 Junior and 2022 Senior World Titles Jesse Mendez & Trent Hidlay are also included in this video
For some reason US wrestling coaches are often very skeptical of throws they don’t know like judo throws and they discourage them. If you use the right ones it can make you much more versatile and you will have the ability to attack without risk like this throw
Yeah I don't understand that at all. If you don't know something then just learn about it. Especially if you have kids you're responsible for the develop of and they trust you to help get them to whatever goals they may have
It’s because most of our wrestlers without Greco backgrounds can’t rely on throws like this as a primary move. They get put to their back too much by doing it wrong
@@RogerPackI did throws similar to this in folkstyle fairly often. Just have to be good at them, they’re definitely underrated but if a folkstyle wrestler is going to do these and doesn’t know how hardly they gotta practice it A LOT
I've been following your channel for awhile man. Huge fan. I've been wrestling since I was 3yrs old, D1, all that jazz, and you repeatedly improve my game. I teach my students many of the techniques I come into contact with by way of your channel. I thought I knew wrestling, but you have a keen eye for unique, interesting, and under-studied techniques and are able to break them down in digestible, fun ways. Much appreciation from Michigan!
I've been showing my son a lot of his videos to improve his senior season. We've been focusing on strength and cardio now but with a week to go we're gonna start with more videos. How bout those Wolverines 45-23 Ohio state. Good luck to your team and have a blessed day.
Iranian Spider-Man be Killin the game with this move. His 4 point stance alone is to be talked about. This also reminds me of Hassan Yazdani's standing whip over or rakabi
@@WilliamsWrestlin I assume most of my viewers do, but when you said Rakabi I was sure. He focuses more on Instagram now than YT, but I understand why because the long videos can take a lot to make
Finally!!. A lat drop proponent. Yes it's a lat drop not a hip toss, it's just done more w the tricep from the over. Many thanks for posting. Keepem coming. Cudos from District XI (PA)
Hi I really appreciate this video, it’s very informative and well made - however do you know where I can find a tutorial for this move? I can’t find anything when I look up “Iranian lat drop” 😥
Iranian Lat Drop was a term coined by Mike Mal (I think) awhile back. I see it as more of a drop whip-over, but I guess that’s why he added “Iranian” in front of it to show that it’s different from a regular lat drop.
hi, iranian here, Lat in farsi means "kool" this technique is called (kool andaz) meaning lat drop or lat throw, i think mike mal actually asked the meaning from an iranian wrestler because its right on the money
The over under tie is a 50/50 position. The single biggest factor is knowing how to keep dominant shoulder position. The Iranian clearly has a superior feel for his opponents pressure.
@@earnyourgold Yea, now that I think about it more, hip toss isn't right, you are right that it is more of a whip. In Judo there are 2 hip toss like throws, o goshi and uki goshi, it is more like the later. in any case, I enjoy the content
Two generations before you were born this was Andre Supron's of Poland move in Greco-Roman. Supron was something like a 16X world champion but never higher than a Silver in the Olympics. Unfortunately there is not much video from that Era maybe some film.
dude on one of my recent instagram post there are a bunch of judoka who can't agree whether the move in the video is an osoto gari/osoto gake or an harai goshi. I was so confused
@@earnyourgold I knew as soon as I watched it there’d be some of that. In our defense the difference between a side ways Osoto and a Harai thrown to the outside is a very fine one,,like splitting a fine hair.
I think most important technical aspect here it’s not about the rakabi ,the most important technical detail here it’s about avoiding,defending,and counterattack the HUNDERHOOKS CONTROL ,that’s the 🗝 if you don’t have the control you cannot work in whatever technique you wants the same with Yasdany they have been building a hunderhook system working with this type or kind of control years after year they know how your opponent react and working on it .But the most important thing it’s about to establish and keep the hunderhooks control
I don't even wrestle but this move is amazing I love japanse moves sumo stuff ....ur right this move to me is sumi otoshi... Or a variation of the founder of judo favorite move this is uki otoshi..... What ur calling a lat throw looks like a hip throw but I know it's not his hips not even touching its all about hand position under hook pinched over hook high .....brh look into jigrou Kano the. Founder of judo it will improve wrestling it seems I appreciate this video hope my advice helps as well .... Ps ..... I don't know any wrestling points either my bad
Look up wrestling hand fighting. Look up wrestling posture and head position. You need to learn to stay in good positions and to feel comfortable entering and exiting the tie. Make sure to do a lot of stance and motion and drill shots. Remember heel, foot, knee. That should be how you enter a shot. Good luck man.
What these guys said. Get the basics down first. Make sure to develop a good feet-to-back move before Districts however. Don’t make the mistake a lot of kids make and once they learn a throw then they don’t want to do anything else. That will stop you from progressing as a wrestler
Do you think this move would be as effective if used in a more upright position, like over under in folk style? I usually don’t see people arched down as low as them unless they are trying to get out of the position.
he mixes the under hook with push forward and waits for the opponent to push back.if the opponent doesn't push back he will eventually go off the mat .and the moment he back he will fall to the drop tech.
I tried drilling this on my friend and the torque on my shoulder with my underhook is insane because of the upper body torque… it hurts lol and I don’t have an pre existing injury. Is this normal or am I missing a key detail?
Technically this shouldn't cause shoulder injury. It is hard to tell without seeing what you are doing. My guess is your underhook is either not deep enough or your contact is not clean. Close the gap between the underhook arm and make sure its always maintains connection with his lat & armpit. Remember your goal is to take away the opponent's balance by dragging his right arm and not letting him post while blocking his body/lat with yours so he can't turn away from you. This should not put too much pressure on your shoulder.
it seems like this move can at the very least be a great sequence starter for chain wrestling, i can see the Iranian lat transition into a underhooks throwby to a knee pick etc etc etc. all this offensive potential with minimal risk is almost cheating LOL
So how to defend/counter this? A detail that seems very important is head position. The Iranian wants to have his opponent's head on the back of the shoulder of his underhooking arm. That is the position he creates in nearly every throw, and it gives him great leverage to whip and turn the guy. But look at the takedown starting at 8:02 (against Iuna Fafe of Guinea-Bissau). Initially, when the Iranian gets the underhook, the opponent's head is under him, and he doesn't go for the move. But he works to get his own head under and his opponent's head onto his underhooking shoulder, and when he achieves the position, he almost immediately goes for the throw and succeeds. Against an opponent that likes this move, I think that fighting to get your head under his chin is key in neutralizing the throw. He is is less likely to go for it, and if he does, he's almost giving you the armspin or the fireman's (provided the other arm is free; I'd would go for a thumb block on the opposite bicep rather than trying to grab a weak underhook on the opposite side). Also, let's appreciate the dominant position Amouzadkhalili gets. Theoretically, the over-under is a symmetrical and "even" position, but the Iranian always has a strong/deep underhook while preventing his opponent from getting a good underhook on the opposite side.
Follow up comment: I just watched the rematch between Rahman Amouzadkahlili and Yianni Diakomihalis (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VusOj4urXKQ.html). Multiple times, the Iranian gets a deep right side underhook, but almost every time, Yianni gets his head under (and generally puts his other hand on the mat). Doing this almost completely neutralizes the "Iranian lat drop/knee drop whip-over". He only attempts it once, and is unsuccessful. The one time that Amouzadkahlili gets the deep underhook and Yianni does NOT get his head under (8:25), the Iranian hits a throw by into dogfight/seatbelt and eventually threatens the back and gets a pushout point. I feel even more sure now that head position is key in defending this move. Of course, keeping your head under against an underhook has pros and cons (the underhooker can often transition to front headlock, for instance), but that's the case with everything. Side note: Yianni hit two beautiful duckunders while Amouzadkahlili was digging hard for the underhook, using his aggression against him (although the iranian was able to scramble and defend one of them and score a crotch lift). Just goes to show that there's a give and take in every move/position.
I’ve heard of him. Cornell commit. I’ve never watched any of his matches though. Thanks for the name drop. I’ll watch them if YT or Flo has them posted
This move is the same motion as the Russian wrist snap Islam hit on the hs wrestler. Instead of the wrist swinging out and under he attaches his body and swings his hips to create the required momentum to thrown him out of his center of gravity it’s slick af tbh ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-krMuiccy_dQ.html
That's exactly my point. You can't really spam regular lat drops like that. They're risky and once the kid knows it's coming then it's a lot harder to do
Cool move but in no way a lat drop. It's completely different positioning and executed in a completely different manner. Much closer to a hip toss without doing a full backstep.
A lat drop use to apply to more than what it’s referred to today (referring to the one Kenny Monday did). I already addressed this in the comments as well. I don’t care about the name. Just the technique
@@earnyourgold have you taken up any interest In sumo wrestling? I find it to be incredibly undervalued as a learning tool for positioning, balance, and weight distribution.
