Is Doom Eternal really a "Quick Swapping" game? 

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Seeing Decino play this on Nightmare, I can confidently say, no, not quite. You can get by playing Doom Eternal even on harder difficulties without quick swapping specifically. And to the main point, do you have to quick swap to have fun in Doom Eternal or let alone play the game? The answer is also the same. The easier difficulties is just as fun and prepares you for the harder difficulty levels if you feel like you're ready. If you're a new player, be a new player. Nobody starts Doom Eternal like they're born with a mouse and keyboard in their hands.

The problem is once you see how quickly you can kill stuff with Quick Swap, it becomes an Ultimate strategy because of the insane DPS, So you feel obligated to use it if you are getting your ass beat.

I’ve been playing this game over and over for the past 3 months. Been nice to go back after years of not playing it.

I wonder if the slower paced dark ages will have quick swapping

For me, the answer is very simple. I was replaying Doom Eternal's main campaign on Nightmare difficulty when I got to the part where it puts you in a purple slime hallway and spawns a hellknight in front of you. When that happened, a tutorial prompt came up teaching me how to quickswap the power weapons. I don't know if that tutorial prompt existed way back when the game came out, but it exists now and the message is clear: quickswapping the weapons is now considered a common gameplay mechanic to be designed around. (funniest part is that it isn't even the only way to deal with that hellknight; I had cryo grenades too!)

doom eternal players when they have to quick swap to the gongloid rifle into a binkulus blast with a fonguloid alt fire instead of simply using the flamethrower, iceblast, iceblast: the sequel, grenade, and then chainsaw

Mayo in an alternate timeline: I don’t like doom eternal because it isn’t ultrakill.

This video reminds me, I had a pop-up window appear to me while playing ARC Complex recently. It reminded me that quick swapping was a thing, and seeing it encouraged me to actually try it out and I could definitely feel the difference when killing heavy demons. I'm not very good at quick swapping, so I was mainly just tapping the Q key to swap between the super shotgun and the ballista. It's interesting because I don't remember seeing that window pop up before. Before, I was only using the SSG+ballista combo to maximise damage when dealing with the Marauder. Quick swapping is tricky (at least for me), but it's also a fun way to quickly melt other demons, so I don't get why some say that they don't enjoy it. I'll try and remember to use it more often and to experiment with other combos from now on. Loving these new Doom Eternal videos. It's always interesting to explore things with the benefit of hindsight.

Doing no upgrades runs of 2016 taught me to quickswap before Eternal even came out. I don't quickswap constantly, moreso on specific enemies or in high pressure moments. Hugo has said the game is completely beatable on controller where quickswapping isn't quite doable. That said, quickswapping takes out the Mancubus insanely quick (pbolt one cannon, ballista the other, rocket to his body, then meathook in for a SSG blast. It's incredibly satisfying.) I've also never strayed from good ol' SSG+ballista against the Marauder. I also came up with a SSG+microwave beam quickswap combo that completely humilates Barons and Tyrants and locks them down and takes them out quite quickly (doesn't work against Archviles sadly, they break out of it.) There's also weapon mods that deal pretty good damage without quickswapping. Full Auto, Micro Missiles, Lock On, Mobile Turret... Pair them with either grenade type or a blood punch and you can delete enemies almost as quick as quickswapping.

One of the main issues I have with a lot of shooters is how you're either limited in how many weapons you can carry (looking at you, BioShock) or the majority of weapons are so esoteric & specific to an uncommon scenario that you only wind up using two or three for the majority of the game. The variety of weapons in Doom Eternal and how each of them has a lot of utility (some more than others, but all of them are useful) is one of the game's strongest points, and I love how it encourages & trains you to use all of them.

it's not a quickswapping game, it's just the game pushing you into learning a particular playstyle, which you will more than likely take full advantage of once you learn the game. understanding the game itself is key, not learning complicated combos

i have poor motor skills with my fingers on keyboard, when i got my first gaming pc i got doom eternal as my first game and beat it on UV, i couldnt hit the number keys to go to each weapon directly, but got down quick swapping with the Q key between my current and previous weapon. Made me more comfortable on K&M, i love this game!

Didn't the Quick Swap mechanic once used to be this cool gimmick on release which actually later on became an real offical in-game mechanic mentioned through the tutorial itself months AFTER the game's release ? I think that's pretty cool...that'll be like if someone figures out animation cancelling and later game introduce it an actual mechanic rather than nerfing or out right removing because some devs see it as an harmful exploit.

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When the game came out , i played it with a controller ( which makes swapping harder ) and i didn't use any weapon swapping , right until the marauder fight where that fight pushed me to swap between the super shotgun and ballista , and i finished the game with occasionally quick swapping between 2 weapons ( fire weapon 1 , press LB , fire weapon 2 ) without the crazy combos you see . So it's not necessary but i believe the more you play the game and the harder the difficulty, the more you'll naturally start doing it .

I beat the game without quickswapping while on console so I say it isn't really required tbh (unless you try ultra nightmare or something lol). Yes it's powerful but it isn't mandatory. You can play normally and beat the game just fine.

On my first playthrough, I beat Doom Eternal on UV by using (hold onto something) THE WEAPON WHEEL.

I've been playing DOOM Eternal for 3 years now, never used quick swap because I don't like it. It doesn't feel natural

I never quick swap. I spam the chaingun shield instead

Difficulty in game design is always a tough one, on the one hand you want to appeal to the broadest audience (money), but on the other hand you also want an in-depth system that caters to the core / or enthusiastic audience. Quick swapping also reminds me of the cod-meme 'lightning bolt, lightning bolt, magic missle, lightning bolt, lake of fire, lightning bolt, lightning bolt'.

I tried to beat Eternal on nightmare using quick swapping and I found it totally overwhelming-I kept losing track of which weapon was at which binding and like, having to hesitate before each swap (which, of course got me killed a lot). I told myself I’d set new keybinds and practice with them, but I never got around to it.

At the end of the day, videogames are just about having a good time :)

1:35 Interestingly this doesn't necessarily apply to the cooldown for alt fires. If you get into weapon modding you can change Precision Bolt so that its cooldown doesn't get skipped when you switch weapons. I think they actually did this sometime after the game released but reverted it after pushback from the community like you said. I sort of wonder if the whole arsenal would be better balanced if they had acknowledged weapon combos right from the start, like increasing the DPS of rapid-fire weapons to be a bit closer to what you can do with quickswapping. The gap in damage output between playing with quickswapping and playing without it is huge which is probably why a lot of people feel like you "have to" quickswap to play the game well.

I just recently got through ultra nightmare first time with my trusty ol' Nintendo switch. Nothing is less convinient with a Switch than quick swapping as your main strategy. Also weapon swapoing animation feels way slower on switch than it looks like on PC, so yea its not neccessary but flashy af, I envy PC gamer but I'm a broke student.

Although the game doesn't require quick swapping, I will say that once you learn it you can't really go back. It is by far the best way to increase you DPS fairly easily, meaning that DPS mods like the mobile turret or the micro missiles end up being rarely used. Even worse, weapons that neither dish out high DPS nor fit into quick switching combos like the Plasma Rifle end up becoming obsolete.

As a PS player, i didnt really start quickswapping before my third play through. But boy does it help with naggy stuff like marauders and archy

I thought quick swapping back to the SSG after firing was a glitch, cuz it magically reloaded the gun. Just learned it was intended (I guess).

3 Eternal videos in a row? We have been blessed

Doom eternal is like xonotic used to be and still is, quick swapping is advantageous but sometimes sticking to fewer or just a certain weapon depending on the context, can be a good choice just as much. Quake 3, live and 4 (the games which doom 3, doom eternal and 2016 clearly are shaped on) forced players to alternate using a single weapon in certain situations and to switch them in others by making combos, quake champions put this philosophy to the extreme by adding abilities in the mix as well, it is indeed the hardest quake to play by considering just the mechanics themselves imo....

Like in JRPGs the difficulty comes from the level differences between yourself and the enemy, and the way to beat them is either through careful buffing and out damaging your opponents or by maximizing how much EXP you can get out of an encounter you can easily go beyond the level that the game expects you to be and you can use brute force to go through it. It’s all about which style you prefer.

I appreciate it that other users were showing quick swapping. I never knew about it when I first played Eternal and when I saw others doing it, it made me want to do that and be successful. Quick swapping is a big reason I still play the game over 4 years later.

This generalizes to pretty much every game with a high skill ceiling. And you're right community matters most. In BroodWar, my childhood game, I came back with the SCII announcement, learned people were absolutely cracked, and started playing and practicing that way. For a new, modern AAA game, absolutely even the crackedest speedrunners could do a lot of good by being like "yeah, this technique melts the devil folk, but if you're just starting it you can just play, don't worry lol."

You just want every game be like Doom Eternal. GOOOD I missed this line so much. We all can finally use it again guys! 😁

To be fair, quickswapping existed already in Doom2016 s an unlockable upgrade. Considering that in Doom Eternal it is given to the player right away, - the devs at ID indeed intended for it to be there and taken advantage of. And it is a good trick, which when used in moderation - does make the game more impactful and more fun. Hell, i use it in every game that allows it! But in excessive manner - when all weapons just become a constant blinking blur - it is a turn-off, cause you don't get to visually enjoy the full spectacle of monster-slaying: you don't see the weapon animations, you don't see how rockets travel from your gun barrel and into the enemies, you don't see how Doomslayer reloads his shotgun and so on. With this approach, the entire weapon HUD could've been removed, - switched off, and just replaced with a colored crosshair (in a true DE fashion, lol), or a colored vignette. Red is for shotgun, Blue is for rockets, Green is Ballista...you get the gist🤣. And i am willing to bet that if this was an existing option - there would be tons of people who would use it immediately. Fun is indeed subjective, and just like there are ways to bolster it, there are ways to derail it. Or simply make it "not fun enough" to the degree that it is "no fun at all". Sometimes, the gameplay is good, but the presentation and dilution of it with unrelated filler - creates a deal-breaker.

A friend of mine started playing UN and he is dead set on beating it like that. He did all of what you said, he explored the game on his own and when I showed him the wonders of quick swapping, his enjoyment of the game increased and is still increasing. You really need to learn the game on your own before you jump into the more high level play. My journey looked like that, most of us had that probably.

No, you're wrong. Hugo Martin explicitely told in one of his interviews, that the Marauder was created specifically around fast-swapping mechanic. That's the only way to defeat him without much stress.

I completely agree. My first playthrough was on PS4, and as I always try to extend my gametime while playing a game, I tend to select the highest difficulty. I fell in love with Doom Eternal, and I completed the campaign on Nightmare without much thought on optimizing my damage output outside of just using high damagin weapons. While already loving the game, I discovered quick swapping. Fast forward to today, Doom made me build a PC and buy it again for PC. I truly believe you are one of the best figures in the community, even though there are some points you have made in other videos to which I disagree. It is just how it is, but seriously, thank you for the passion you put into all Doom Eternal videos!

Great video and analysis. I’m not a high level player, but as I played through Eternal, I never learned or cared to learn quick-swapping combos. I frequently bounced around the map, creating space to keep the AI’s pressure off of me while I would select a weapon based on the weak points of whatever targets I wanted to prioritize, and then focused on those enemies before making sure I had space to think about which target I wanted to tackle next, pull up the wheel, and select my next weapon. No, I wasn’t speedrunning Ultra-Nightmare; I was casually playing through Hurt Me Plenty, but I had fun throughout the entire campaign. The idea that a game absolutely must be completed as quickly as possible on the highest difficulty while using every possible exploit to be played “the right way” is stupid. At the end of the day, it’s a game. It’s supposed to be fun. Eternal provided a fun challenge that genuinely tested me and also made me a better FPS player overall.

I'm hoping Doom Dark Ages gets rid of it.

Love the return to doom eternal videos and commentary! Great stuff!

Great take. Doom Eternal is designed to be dynamic and flexible to different levels of player engagement. I tried using quick swap techniques during my various runs with the game, but I'm not proficient with it. I primarily set myself up with two weapons that will be most useful depending on the combat encounter, use the quick swap key as a way to switch between them when I need to. Otherwise I'm a weapon wheel man through and through.

Tangentially, I did an entire UN playthrough without ever unlocking the Precision Bolt and mostly using (after the first four levels) the autoshotty. Rendering my edit of that playthrough as we speak. Anyway, while I did unlock Hot Swap as a formality, I don't think I abused it as much as I really needed to (ballista boosting and bhopping, on the other hand...). So yeah, I agree.

In my first play through of the game I was overly dependant on sticky bombs, always forgot to use the flame for armour and never even used the ice bomb! Let alone worry about weapon swapping. It was overwhelming for me but in my future play throughs on a harder setting I was doing all of these things. It gave the game amazing replay value.

Love these retrospective videos on Doom Eternal!

Hearing mayo say, "Who cares how people play if they're having fun?" is surreal. The same dude who runs defense on Hugo Martin fundamentally changing the 2016 game loop because "people were playing it wrong" now thinks youre not allowed to critique the consequences of that very decision.

"A lot of people didnt use quick swapping in the game." True. However, if you want to beat the game on one of the higher difficulty setting, you basically have to do it. If you avoid it, you'll get the feeling that the game was meant to be played with quick swapping. "This is were a lot of high level fun is found in Doom." Okay, what do you define as "high level fun"? What is fun and what is not is bound to an individual. Calling quick swapping as "high level fun" sounds to me like an attempt to divide the community. People using quick swapping are considered to have a higher level of fun than others who do not use quick swapping.

Ego Shooter Veteran here, I like Doom but hate quickswapping. Was fun to play on ultra violence :) Wouldnt say its necessary to have fun but surely the meta if you wanna "go pro"

I'm forced to play on console right now, and i was so used to quick swapping on PC I'm needing to relearn the game, so this was helpful!

Hey Mayo will you planned on reviewing Doom Eternal mod again? There's a new mod called "Hell's Abyss" and it's a really big and impressive mod in technical level but seem like no one know about it yet. You did say before that you'll be back when there a big community mod drop

TLDR at the bottom ----------- I wasn’t around when mayo started his doom eternal vods in the beginning, but would eventually watch it later. Speaking about fun.. I first played eternal on switch which is 30 fps. I never knew the difference that 60 could make at the time, and I’m also a controller player . After a while, I got addicted to eternals gameplay, and I never owned a shooter except goldeneye or nightfire.. but slowly but surely I was able to be it on the switch on nightmare mode. And in all that… did not quick swap. I got doom on the pc to experience 60 fps and I figured out a few things. - I wasn’t quick swapping correctly ( because it thought I had been doing it) - controller was harder to pull off quick swap, but was impressed how well the game taught me to switch weapons that I do it instinctually( I am switching, but not optimally) - I know I wasn’t quick swapping correctly when I saw people get 3 shots on a juggernaut (not including the stagger combo here) when I only could get 2 TLDR i still had a ton of fun and I didn’t have to weapon swap correctly. Yesterday, I beat it on ultra violent on pc to warm up to nightmare on and i didn’t die once, which just goes to show how much i improved... and im still using controller

This video is very encouraging for console players. I beat Eternals campaign on XBox but it was extremely frustrating. I couldn't do most of the fast pace "quick swapping " the cool youtube videos showed so I simply gave up and ignored the DLC. I feel re-engaged now and am going to download the game again and try a more natural play through, as Mayo described. I hear the DLC is hard so I may need to put my ego in check and dial down the difficulty... but why not?

I have recently been watching through your old doom vids and this is 1 one of the 2 things this community has to remember for darkages. 1- dont harrase players to play in a certain way. 2- the tag 2 situation where need to communicate better with id if any issues are there

6:16 hahah this is one of the few times i genuinely like what you have to say! Ive screamed about this while it was happening. The whole quick swapping thing was a huge turn off. Visiting DE strims was like watching the same gameplay. And to have the dlcs, master levels (and even horde mode) designed around it made me completely lose interest in the game and the community overall as if the game was now exclusively for the elites. Thanks for this video.

As a person who plays Doom Eternal on the Nintendo Switch… it’s generally harder to quick swap on controller because it only lets you swap between the gun you’re using now and the previous one. So when you do want to quick swap you have manually set it up with the weapon wheel, unlike keyboard players where you have all of your weapons with just a click of a key. That’s why I feel like that Doom Eternal on console is kind of harder than on PC for that reason… with an example being that it makes it harder to deal with the Marauder because it takes up a lot of time just switching between two weapons, making that window to deal damage to the Marauder seem smaller than it actually is

I "queue up" my quick swaps and certainly cannot swap how you do, Mr mayo. And that's perfectly fine Before a battle I'll select Balista/SSG and will flick away at Q to swap between the two, then bring up the weapon wheel and just switch to what I need to. It's a moment to assess the situation and think about what mods I'll need and who's on the board

When I first played this game on Ultra-Violence, I struggled a lot, I was waiting for weapon recoveries between bad movement and died quite a few times. Quick swapping wasn't in mind, but even still I had a ton of fun playing, near the end I was normal swapping to destroy weak points and deal a lot of damage with heavy weapons. So the game isn't built around it, but once I saw a video on Mayo absolutely decimating super heavy demons with icebombs, frags and quickswap combos I thought... Nah no way, the game can't be played this way surely. So few arenas later I got some basic combos down, prescision bolt + rocket and then stuff like frag + meathook shotgun blast + blood punch + balista + frag + rocket lock on repeat. Then from scratch jumped into nightmare with weapon quick swapping and better movement. My god, the game went from fun the best damn shooter I played. I feel Quick Swapping is there if you want to access higher difficulties and do well, it's not necessary but it makes the oppressive Heavy and Super Heavy Demons in Nightmare and probably UN a cinch while looking cool af. It's fine if people don't want to play that way, and most of them have their fun on a casual playthrough but since quick swapping is intuitive to the game... I think people should try it out at least once in an arena past Exultia.

It was hard to achieve quick swapping for me, but it is so fits for game "getting ammo system" that make a lot of fun. What makes you a real DoomGuy even in Hardcore or Nightmare. But they complain that there is not enough ammo for them, what show them as kids that don't want to accept developers vision of the game, it's rules. They want "a choice" that would make a game into casual experience. Like you can choose easy difficulty, but they want hardcore and nightmare and then they dont want to learn new, cause they "dont like it". I dont know, when i was playing quake3 it was sooo funny to make combos when circumstances are changing. Like - different weapons for different situations. And now feels like ordinary player can't adapt or evolve, they are trying to make gameplay under them. To make it sandbox-like. They cant admit that they are not good enough what will move them to self improvement. This does not apply to new players who do not complain. Only for childish people, who don't want to grow, because life will force them to adapt anyway. And doom wanted to be a brutal game and quick swap give this opportunity to the game.

This video is an eye opener for me. I've been put off by seeing those quick swapping gameplays and thinking I lack the mechanical skill to pull it off. I've always been a "do few things well" kind of player (coming from battlefield, r6 etc.) and lack the ability to juggle multiple things quickly. This kinda changed my mind about it and I might actually buy 2016 and eternal.

I definitely enjoyed this game before discovering quick swapping. On nightmare I was getting my ass handed to me, and I stumbled across one of your videos. I was on Xbox at the time and after practicing, I was able to beat TAG 1 on ultra nightmare while controller quick swapping. As soon as I bought my PC… man the fun went up to 11. My girlfriend has a harder time understanding quick swapping, but she enjoyed the game without it and I think that’s what it should be all about anyway. Good video!

I heard a few people refer to this as a thinking man’s fps and for that reason alone I like 2016 better

Now I’m gonna have to challenge myself to beat a marauder without quick swapping. One weapon per cycle.

Okay this is a start… Day 1 of asking mayo to make an asmr video

I just use the Super Shotgun for most things and switch to the Chain Gun whenever I get overwhelmed, works for me so far because I got through the main game and the 1st DLC playing like that.

Its comical imagining a person just putting down a game because they can cancel weapon anims with swapping.

I remember when I started playing I’d get frustrated bc every video I saw quickswaping looked crazy and I couldn’t do that with my Xbox but I learned that you don’t necessarily need to do crazy quickswaping to have fun

I WANT to. It's like Devil May Cry, You can finish the game just mashing randomly but the game has so many options that your personality can be displayed through the gameplay.

idk why my first two playthroughs were with a controller before I got into really tryhardalism and mods. Didn't quick swap, just enjoyed the flow, the same as I did with 2016. After learning Eternal I completely changed how I play 2016. Thanks for all the content!

I play this game from start to finish at least once every few months. There are some situations where I do quick swap but honestly I don't need to do it to be THAT efficient. I'll go through a fight just ripping through the fodder with the chain gun, occasionally fire a Rocket at something thick. Run out of ammo, switch to one of the shotguns or the plasma rifle...so on so forth. While I do admit that quick swapping is useful, I never really find it that necessary. You can totally play the game without the need to quick swap.

When I played Eternal I would only do the Super Shotgun into regular Shotgun quickswap because I liked how it sounded when I did that

I used to play doom 2016 for years using a very basic kind of quick swapping without any real thought put into it, before i even knew it was a strategy. The game seemed slower without swapping weapons and after playing it for so long since you didn't have a dash and stuff like that. But in eternal i just didn't carry it over originally when i played the game for the first time. Now i do quick swap occasionally when playing. So for me it was reversed i used to quick swap in 2016, but not in eternal.

I'm a console player so quick swapping is quite a bit more difficult on controller, but I was still able to beat the campaign on Nightmare difficulty. I just memorized the directions of each weapon on the weapon wheel so I could open it and swap to my desired weapon real quick.

"Because the vast majority of people..." Presumptive nonsense from someone who isn't an ordinary player. The vast majority of people probably never get through the game. (according to Steam achievements only 32% finish on any level.) And no one that does -- even on easy -- doesn't have some idea that quick swapping is essential.

After playing 2016 and now eternal my literal only complaint is the ammo scarcity, I understand why it’s done but sometimes I have ammo for enemies which isn’t the right type and am out of the ammo to kill that specific enemy, and if you’re out of chainsaw fuel you’re basically screwed. It’s something 2016 did superbly well - player choice.

Coming from multiplayer FPS where comboing with burst weapons is just the most intuitive thing to do, I never once understood the "complaint" about swapping weapons back and forth. Complaints about nagging ammo management and shoehorned weapon roles, sure, but quickswapping by itself? Literally what's the issue? Like, I'm pretty sure someone was taking the piss and it just stuck as part of a laundry list of "new thing bad". People love drafting themselves into wars of us vs. them without really knowing why lol. But yeah, you don't even have to quickswap, because the game is so forgiving and lets you circle the arena forever in a battle of attrition. You can caveman your way through EVERY unmodded map as long as you tap your health/ammo/armor regen buttons every now and then.

PC player here who doesn't quickswap. Quickswapping is absolutely optional. In fact, I think it is pretty bad at faltering. Here's what I think: Quickswapping weapons don't falter. (SSG, RL, PB, Ballista, etc.) I like to use the hard falter machine known as Heat Blast. You can make great combos with it. Micro Missiles can damage an enemy severely before applying a damage falter. Destroyer Blade oneshots most heavies, and the free falter can be used mid-combo. However, it can't be ignored that it's the simplest and easiest way of playing high-level DE.

when u tell someone to try something in game it feels like feeding kid with veggies

It is but not to the extent that players made it into to. The heavy cannon swap was never intended by the devs at launch and was even patched out of the game at one point (you can thank me and the Spicy Demons discord for that one) but was re-added as it became core to the games DNA.

S'funny, I remember people arguing that quickswapping was an unintended glitch.

It's amazing how Doom Eternal managed to capture all the controversy of Souls games, while at the same time being so different -Gatekeepers: "don't use summons" / "do quick swap" -General public: "the game seems so hard, I better go play something else" -Game reviewers: "I can't get pass the tutorial" EDIT: You got it completely with that "you're not having fun the right way". I would just like to quote the PR team of Doom Eternal: "... You control the buttons you press"

I use mobile turret and quick swap into BFG. works every time. I would recommend this combo for all types of players

I never learned how to swap, and I never learned how to fight marauder, and usually used sword on an Archviles... Yep, I completed the game on ultra violence, and almost complete my second run on a nightmare This game is much kinder to casual players, despite how everyone usually describes it

Your argument is a bit feeble here. "Most people who play the game don't use X, so it's not an X game". Okay. But there is plenty of content in the game that all but require it, such as the Master Levels and NM+ clears. "But it's technically not a requirement"". Okay, but to play Doom Slayer ideally (or as ideally as you can) in Battle Mode, maximizing DPS, you will have to use it. "But it's technically not a requirement!". See how disingenuous it is? I guess Doom Eternal is also technically not a FPS for most of its encounters, but rather a melee game, since I can wait for one gas pip to regen, get only chainsaw kills and procure extra gas cans on the map to chainsaw bigger enemies, blood punching if possible. "But that's not how the majority of people play it" - And? What a game is and isn't shouldn't depend on a weird manner of democractic vote. Doom Eternal is a quick swapping game because it's essential to much of its deeper gameplay, nevermind if all areas of play or all levels of players make use of it.

A question about quick swapping especially for the veterans that constantly used it, is it a big help if I use a mouse with many side buttons like the razer naga hex or the corsair scimitar? To further elaborate, as suggested by many youtubers i’ve rebinded half of my weapon keys closer to the WASD key to help my fingers to reach the keys for easier swapping. However, despite that i still find it awkward to move while quickswapping. Because it’s either you’re going to stop for a bit to quickswap, which is bad even for just a split second, or even if you are moving you are only moving in one direction since most of your fingers are busy quickswapping. So basically, moving while quickswapping gets my fingers on my left hand all tangled up because of so many things you have to do 😆So that’s why I feel using a mouse with at least 6 side buttons like the razer naga hex would help alleviate that since now your fingers on your left hand will be free to keep moving and your fingers on your right hand would do the quick swapping on your mouse side buttons while shooting. And if a mouse with many side buttons is not needed, how do people quickswap in videos so quickly and still be able to move around the arena with no problem?

If you're playing on Nightmare or Ultra-Nightmare difficulty, then yes, I would argue that quick-swapping is absolutely mandatory. You stand no chance without it. And with the DLC and later Master Levels, the devs basically expect players to utilize the technique consistently. By the time of Ancient Gods Part 2 release, quick-swapping went from an unintended quirk to "This is how we expect you to play the game."

I've played a lot of Eternal, but never quickswapped on purpose. I love the game tho. It's intimidating because everybody (you included) says that you need to quickswap to play the game seriously, and it's actually not true, you can reach a good level wthout bothering with this technique.

I know right? Its like introducing people to Devil may Cry with insane combo videos.

I can't even imitate that quick swap speeds. Especially, when I saw some guy who swapped between 3 weapons O_O

I don't ever use hyper fast quick-swapping ever and I almost exclusively play on nightmare. I just find it more fun to play it at a moderate pace instead of using 5 guns in 1 second. Hell, I just beat ultra-nightmare a couple weeks ago for the first time, playing the way I always do. I only ever use quick swapping on the marauder and even then it's at a moderate speed instead of hyper fast. So yeah, this game is not *made* for quick-swapping, just general weapon variety.

the oldest version of this problem is in certain communities, esp quake and doom, where you can not even say the word controller without 10 people reaponding with “why would you do that, no one uses a controller.” it is very annoying when they derail your post and dont even bother to try and answer your question. has been going on like this for years.

I'd argue that a more balanced approach is what makes DE shine the most. A pure quick swap playstyle is effective but gets tedious. I'm at a point where most games can't really hold my interest, but with Eternal, I find myself constantly experimenting with different mods and combos, raising my skill ceiling, and quick swap can really limit creativity and, in turn, longevity.

I prefer to just use the right tool for the job rather than insane quick swapping. A single arbalest shot is all it takes to delete a Cacodemon rather than quick swapping between 3 different guns. A single lock-on with rockets will delete a Hell Knight. Name an enemy, and I know exactly which weapon and mod I have found works great at killing it. Each weapon is most effective at dealing with certain demons. Find the right tool for the job, and no quick swapping is necessary. I used this method to beat the game and both DLC on Nightmare and even TAG 2 on Ultra Nightmare on Xbox.

I'm, as a quick swap player, was impressed with the non-quickswap low fov player's ultranightmare run

at 2:00 quickswapping is starting to look like an exploit and not an intended feature.

I also want to stress that quick swapping is completely possible on consoles. You just have to either have 2 weapons set that you like to swap between (by pressing the shoulder button) or use the weapon wheel briefly. Don't bring it up to decide which weapon you want. You need to have a plan before you open it

You know, I actually like quick swapping weapons. Makes gameplay a lot faster. Especially when you wanna clear that one level because you are in the hurry to do something else besides playing video games. But at the same time, very fast gameplay makes me feel dizzy. I mean, I can play with fast gameplay as long as I can but after that I feel like I'm drunk. So I think that id software need to do something about it and maybe in new Doom they fix the dizzy problem. Can't wait to see what Doom The Dark Ages has to offer, and the news about the fact that gameplay gonna be slow and grounded makes me happy because.. well, I'm gonna be less dizzy and had less motion sickness.

I beat the Super Gore Nest Master level on Ultra-nightmare using the weapon wheel on an old Xbox controller - quick swapping has never been a real option for me but there is definitely the possibility of reaching higher skill levels without quick swapping, you just need to move faster and understand the combinations of weapon shots with the greatest damage output at certain ranges to make up for the advantages of playing on PC.

I know people who couldn't get into the game because they did not know about quickswapping and faltering, they are constantly running out of ammo and struggling against heavy demons.

I only really quickswapped when fighting Marauders