Check out Dan the Wolfman's CRITICAL DUTY BATTLE 124+P vs 135+P which DUTY saves BOOTY? MODERN MEAT TARGET ode Paul Harrell 9mm: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3dy0oKJbnz4.html
@@DanTheWolfman They been hitting us all hard. Despite my views being almost the same, I get less than half the ad revenue I used to. I may have to go down to one video a week as opposed to two like I been doing for a long time.
I load my 38 J frame with Underwood 125gr ammo. The Gold Dot bullet load and it gets between 1100 to 1150 fps velocity. I would never carry a 38 J frame loaded with the usual weak commercial ammo from the big companies.
@@kennethferguson4283 don't waste it, they don't get GD bonded anymore it's an xt load now not the same get that if you need to run same recoil occasionally, us the bonded for carry
I was a street cop for 30 yrs and was forced into an on-duty shooting three times w/my issued thirty-eight & it saved me every time. We transitioned to the Glock19, later the Glock23, my last few years on the job. The semi auto is a better fighting tool for today’s cops but in retirement my EDC is a light J Frame. An LCP is pocket carried if my revolver cannot be adequately concealed.
Has to be a decent semi-auto though. My agency replaced the S&W model 10 and 64 with the Beretta 92 DAO. The troops hated it and qualification scores dropped. It switched to the G21 despite fears that it was too thick for some hands but qualifications scores improved.
I was a police officer for 36 years and like you spent time with both revolvers and Glocks. I totally agree with your assessment. I hope you are enjoying retirement brother. 👍
Glad you made it. I carried a revolver on duty until 2007 as my primary handgun. Changed to a Glock 22 when I became an FTO. I felt very comfortable with the revolver and noticed bad guys responses when I pointed it at them. ALL of them said they knew I was not bluffing when they saw the rounds in the cylinder facing them and knew it was loaded, or the one comment when I asked a felon why he did not follow directions to a lock armed officer, he said--"he was bluffing, he did not rack the slide and I know what that thing (pointing to my M66 .357) will do to me! Anyhow, after 32 years, my final day came and I was involved in an on duty shooting 10 minutes after I hit the street. I came out OK, with just one extra hole (knife--entered upper arm, exited elbow), but suspect was 3 for 3 on the receiving end of my Glock 22. I still qualify under LEOSA using my old pre-Model 10 .38 and feel very comfortable with it.
It's much more of a factor with rimless cartridges, whether quality made or not. That's because rimless cases headspace on the case mouth, as Gun Sam explains in this vid. Rimless ammo also tends to generate much higher pressures than rimmed ammo of equivalent performance, which is a factor Gun Sam didn't touch on. So you put those two factors together, and you got a recipe for crimp jumping, even with well manufactured ammunition.
And for anyone who may be wondering, "Well why does my Glock/Sig/Springfield etc. do fine with no discernible crimp jumping?", it's because an autoloader has a lot of reciprocating mass that distributes recoil energy, namely the slide; but even moving pieces such as a tilting barrel (Browning system) play a part: Newton's Laws, that if it overcomes inertia, it's absorbing energy, and translating that to movement. Also, autoloaders keep the un-chambered cartridges in a detachable magazine, which is well off bore-line, somewhat "seperate" from the pistol body (i.e. "floating" or "hanging" by the magazine catch), and the magazine body itself "contains" the OAL of the cartridge within form factor.
Glad you explained about headspace and crimp . Not many understand about it. As for creep you can get it also get it from other wheel gun cartridges if the bullets are not crimp right . Good video.
My Charter Arms Bulldog Pug in .44spl is famous for bullets creeping out of their cases. Light weight revolvers shooting hot loads will pull that bullet right out. @GunSam
@@iankelly3479A key difference though is that with a piece such as the Bulldog and 44 Special, the loads do indeed have to be very hot to have crimp jump (or just poorly made [i.e. usually handloaded], with terrible crimping). With rimmed ammunition, assuming it is properly manufactured, crimp jumping is a factor of the mass of the pistol being too light to absorb or distribute recoil forces relative to the energy imparted to the un-fired cartridges in the cylinder. So with a catridge such as 44 Special, crimp jumping can be eliminated completely by 1) not using ammo loaded beyond a certain "power" threshold, and/or 2) using a heavier pistol. With 9mm Luger, because of the nature of the rimless/autoloading/self-loading cartridge design in itself, crimp jumping is a consideration in any revolver ("light" or "heavy"), and even with target or paper punching ammunition.
@LibertysetsquareJack yes, it's a physics issue when it comes to bullet creep. And 9mm,.40SW and 45acp were never designed to be held in a cylinder ether, but it is done often. 👍
Always impressed by your shooting prowess , 75yds is a heck of a ways for a snub-nose . I'm happy when I hit the paper at 20yds . Good job , great video !
I do like those Critical Duty cartridges. That polymer plug in the hollow point does prevent cloth and debris from clogging the hollow point. I know a few people using the 9mm or .45-acp with moon clips in revolvers competition. Never for EDC carry. If only for capacity of ammo. Shooting revolvers in competition is a strategy to win. There are different shooting divisions. Revolver division do not compete with pistol divisions. More pistol shooters in IDPA. Usually only 1, maybe 2, shoot revolvers. So you win the revolver division by default.
the original FBI requirement was 10 to 18 inches. then it was changed to 12 to 18 inched for " barrier penetration" like you said. I like to use the standard pressure 38 special FTX loads. some of my guns are old.
Again great job! I was thinking about buying a 9mm taurus. Your review really help me see. I really love my 38"s and enjoy reloading them! Just bought A TAURUS 327 Liking my 32's. One of my favorites is my S&W 432 H&R mag. thanks a lot keep the videos coming!
I have a taurus 9mm revlover as a backup. That way i have same ammo, revolver is easier to master in stressful situation or to loan out to another shooter, 9mm is cheaper than 38sp 357 327 mag, taurus is half the cost of a ruger or s&w revolver. If i was to carry a revolver as a main everyday it would be 327 mag, 327 is close to 357 but less recoil, adds more capacity rounds . And can shoot multiple cheap 32 calibers rounds for practice
I own both a 605 and a 905. I also handload 99% of what I shoot. I agree with most everything Sam says, and bullet "creep" is a real thing. I have found good neck tension from sizing die and bullet diameter is essential to preventing creep. Taurus moon clips are fairly thin and some don't hold the case tight enough so if pocket carried, some cases may fall out of the clip. I bought a bunch of TK moon clips and have never had a problem. My favorite 9mm SD/HD handloads are with RMR 124 gr "Nukes" over an upper charge of CFE Pistol. But I will continue to reload/shoot 38 Specials as I have been since 1972. Thanks Sam.
I carried a 1911 for over 30 years and practiced at 100 yards. I found out early on that I was always aiming too high. Point of aim will get you hits all the time with a full size 1911. My mistake at the beginning was thinking that the slow round would drop more than I imagined. I figured wrong. Accounting for ones height is why bullet drop does not really make a huge difference. Also, most misses will be high as you surmised on your video . Great video by the way.
In 1991, Smith and Wesson came out with the model 940 revolver in 9MM. They were a hammerless, stainless steel 5-shot. They were discontinued around 1998. I sometimes carried mine as a backup or carried it when I knew I would be in court all day. Mine has a 3-inch barrel and I believe the 3-inch model was only made in 1991. I still have, it's a fun gun to shoot but it is loud compared to a 38 Spl.
I took the time to build a dual speedloader pocket pouch for my SP101. Wouldn't do it again but it's nice to have. I prefer the Safariland comp 2 loaders but my pouch will take them or HKS. I agree about the potential problems with moon clips so my revolver carry is either the SP101 or Taurus 850(38). Both take the same loaders. I like the 9mm in auto & carry a Hellcat but my revolvers are 38, 357, 44special or 45colt(Charter Bulldog). I really don't like 38 or 9mm but they're convenient. My 38 loads are still 148 wadcutters or 158 semi wadcutters. Thanks for the Wolfman link; I like anyone who respects Mr. Harrell.
As to speed loaders, the moon clips work pretty well but for .38/.357 I much prefer the Comp Ii loaders that only require you to press them into the cylinder to release the cartridges. Even with the twist type you use (I can never remember which way to turn them!) you don't need to remove them after release. Simply close the cylinder and it will "wipe" the loader away! No sweat! Cheers, jc
I like the comp ones, but they are big so I have them for my big revolvers that have to be open carried anyways, I mean that are hard to conceal. For concealed smaller guns I like smaller loaders.
I dunno, a 5 shot speed loader is about the same size no matter what brand. And I should have said the Comp loader. The Comp II has the long handle on that's great for competition but not so great for carry. I think that's how Safariland names them. I've had my speed loaders for my revolvers for years and they just keep going. The only one that's ever quit is one I lost out out in the dusty desert many, many years ago! Cheers, jc
I NOT making an argument to switch . But there Is a difference in ballistics. Significant difference in Expansion Ratios , and laws of physics and Internal Ballistics. You will note the 9mm having 50 ft lb more energy . Indeed Ft Lb is poor predictor by itself , etc . But 20 % increase is meaningful. Absolutely, in this test , the performance is very close . But the Critical Defense +P is one of Sam's prefered .38 Snub loads , and the 9mm Critical Defense is kind of average . If you compared typical 110 and 125gr JHP .38 vs typical 115 and 124gr JHP 9mm , the difference would be more notable. Since I do own 9mm Revolver, I can point out additional downsides . 9mm Revolvers are surprisingly ammo sensitive . Ogive shape can prevent fully chambering , and sticky extraction can be seemingly random . So no , you can't randomly grab 9mm ammo , and assume it will work acceptably. Testing is required. And yeah , the bullet jump affects accuracy. But large % of snub Revolver owners haven't mastered the full accuracy potential of the gun . And large % of snub Revolver carriers , particularly as a BUG forsee only needing it at closer distances . Consider for yourself if the difference is meaningful to you . ******************* Not mentioned . If your Job requires you to only carry Issued Ammo , and the issued ammo is 9mm .... It gives the option of a snub Revolver as a BUG . ( Yes , there are valid reasons to prefer a Revolver BUG over a subcompact 9mm .)
Great video Sam, Based on your recommendation, the last few years I've always had an LCR .38 Special in my front pocket loaded with Critical Defense FTX 110 gr +P and at times I'll also IWB carry my 9mm pistol.
You raised a very good point about "creep". I would like to see if the 9mm bullet in a 5 chambered revolver experiences enough recoil to creep. Measure the cartridge length, fire four rounds and measure the length of the cartridge again. I can't do this because I don't have a 9mm revolver. If I could, I would do this ten times and that would settle this once and for all.
Thanks, this was a good review/comparison of these two cartridges. I might pick up some of the Critical Defense the next time I buy new ammunition. I was impressed.
I shoot about 5,000 rounds per year including shooting IDPA and ASI competitions. A couple times a year they have Revolver competitions so I bought the cheapest one as I could find shooting the cheapest ammo, which is the Taurus 905 in 9mm. Have only shot about 300 rounds through it but with shooting 9mm over 38 special it has already paid for 1/3rd of the pistol. The trigger pull is horrendous & my accuracy suffers greatly. You Gun Sam are 1 good shooter!
The only reason I've been attracted to the concept of a 9mm revolver is in genuine a SHTF - WROL - TEOTWAWKI mass event... Just to help offer redundancy...EDC not so much... 🤷♂️ Great video, thanks for sharing n' God bless
Could go with a S&W 327 or 986 to increase revolver weight, reduce the chance of any bullet pulling, and increase capacity. Or the Ruger SP101 9mm with a touch longer barrel and several ounces more weight than the Taurus.
@@whelper4231 9x19 was developed even prior to .45acp, to function in a semi-auto platform. That's 123 years of semi-auto platform usage. Putting the same cartridge into a revolver is a compromise in a good number of ways.
In a TEOTWAWKI event, way more people arw going to be grabbing for 9mm too though. Everyone from gang bangers to soccer moms will be much more likely to have something chambered in 9mm than anything else. So when you show up at the gunstore or hardware store after it's been pillaged in the "Walking Dead" scenario, all the 9mm is most likely going tonbe gone. What will be left? It'll be stuff like 357 Sig, 44 Special, etc. Btw, this is just purely for argument's sake, on my part. I don't think the Walking Dead TEOTWAWKI type scenario is very realistic at all, personally.
Love the .38 and .357, favorites. I've never owned anything in a 9, but I'm ready to obtain something, but then that's yet another ammo stockpile to start 😂. Thanks for the tests!
Very nicely done... Have owned and own a bunch of 9mm revolvers... In the S&W 942 and two Ruger LCRs, 9mm +P lock the cylinder up regularly. As to the optimum .38 Special snubbie ammo...after seeing your test on the Buffalo Bore and Underwood 158 LSWC +P and Standard I carry nothing else. The standard pressure goes in the Model 38 Airweight and the +P in all steel frame .38s. Presure from these rounds is in the 27.5k psi range and if these same guns are all chambered in 9mm at 34k psi what exactly is there to worry about wear wise is unwarranted... It kicks...but when it's your life who cares...
I have heard "haven't shot a wheel gun in awhile, how do I load it?" from people who have never shot one before. I've also seen people short stroke the trigger 6 times in a row and then call my handloads garbage. Wish I would have recorded that stuff because it was funny.
I've never had to much experience with revolves. I've always used and owned simi autos. I really enjoy your videos on revolves , I've learned so much from watching them. Thanks for all the wonderful information.
I like my 327 fed 6 shot LCRX over either of those options, or even a 5 shot 357, or my 38 only K6S DASA (a little heavy). If someone made a snubby 5 shot 10 maybe but that's a bigger gun.
I only run the 110 gr +P Critical Defense in my .357 LCR, in large part because of your recommendation and the extensive testing I have seen on this channel. I certainly wouldn't want to get in a drawn out gun fight with only 5 rounds, but I feel like it could handle the 99.9% of situations it would be needed in.
Good test, Sam! While I'm not a huge fan of .38 Special, carrying one as a BUG gun is not a terrible idea, especially if you can carry +P ammo. I don't believe there is that much difference between 9mm and .38 Special as long as you're using decent ammo. I think 9mm is somewhat better than .38 but having fo carry moon clips is a pain in the butt, however in the long run I don't think a bad guy is going to laugh at getting hit with a .38, either! It may be an old cartridge (but then so is the 9mm!) but it will still get the job done! I don't think I'd carry one as a main gun but as a back up, it's pretty hard to beat! Cheers, jc
9mm and 357/38 are my gotos. Trying to avoid caliber creep. But there are some 380s I like, and it’s probably a good idea to have a 40 and a 45 around somewhere, just in case ammo gets hard to find again. And a 22 for plunking. During the really bad ammo shortages though, you know what I saw on the shelves if anything? .25 auto, .380, and .30-06.
I don't like moonclips. They can bend & lock up your cylinder, as you said in the vid, & they also don't allow for you to top off your cylinder. .38 special +p is more than sufficient to stop a bad guy, & I don't mind carrying reloads for 2 different calibers when I'm carrying a 9mm & my snubbie .38 - it's not like I'm going to mistake a speedloader for a magazine, & I don't feel over encumbered. So for me, the answer is obvious. Good point about head space & the potential for bullet creep with a semi-auto bullet in a revolver. Thanks!
From what I read, Elisjsha Dicken only fired the first two shots at distance (one hit one miss), then ran closer, firing again, then ran closer and fired several more shots.
Since you brought it up, it might be interesting to test .45ACP vs .45 Colt in a revolver. Ruger make the Blackhawk and Vaquero with two cylinders, and it might give some info to those who shoot a DA revolver, like a S&W 625 in .45ACP.
I was considering buying a 9 mm revolver. But you solved many of the issues I was thinking about. Thank you for this demonstration. Also if you are a reloader, you can reload 38 special times because it is a low pressure cartridge. Not so with a 9 mm because it is high-pressure the cartridge case has a shorter lifespan.
When I buy a revolver it's definitely in a revolver caliber like 38 special or 357 Magnum.. the great thing about 38 special / .357 is there a lot of choices for bullet shapes.. everything from various hollow points somebody wad cutters to full Target wad cutters which actually work really good for self-defense... No worry about feeding problems
I have been to every gun store in my area, dozens. I have never once went into one that did not have .38 Special in stock. You're the second person that claims stores do not carry .38 Special ammo which I find a bit odd with it being one of the more popular handgun cartridges.
My experience is, as is. When they do have .38 on the shelf, they have 2 loads and 4 boxes total usually. Then almost 1/4 of the ammo shelf is 9mm. Good luck ever finding .357 🙄
The cost difference isn't enough to make sense though. I keep seeing people on blogs and such talking about how 38 is c. 25 cents a round and 9mm is like 17 cents, stuff like that. The thing is, no one brings up overhead costs and when a person will break even. If 38 is like 8 cents more per round, that's $4 more per box. So you're saving $4, theoretically. But in a real-world sense, how does that work? If a person goes out and buys a 9mm revolver for c. $450, their "savings" have to then break even with that outlay before they actually start saving anything. Even if you could acquire a 9mm revolver for cheaper, say $200, that means you have to go through fifty boxes of ammo (2,500 rounds) at $4 savings per box, just to break even. 50 boxes to break even, which means it's the 51st box that counts: that's almost exactly one box per week, every week. Most people simply don't shoot anywhere close to that much, as much as they might hate to admit it. On the other hand, for people who are going through literal cases of ammo, then 1) they buy at the case level anyway, which brings down costs per round significantly, and/or 2) they probably reload, especially when it comes to a catridge such as 38 Special, and reloading achieves a break even quite quickly and the resultant ammunition is both cheaper than off-the-shelf 38 Special **or** 9mm Luger. Even if a person sold their 38 revolver, let's say, and got the 9mm revolver with cash to spare, it still begs the question as to why not make the relatively tiny investment for reloading, especially for large amounts of shooting. A reloading for 38 investment would pay for itself after a case or less, and give the person more freedom in tailoring loads to themselves, their usage, and their weapon anyway, as opposed to reloading for 9mm. Divesting oneself of a 357 Mag revolver would be even more questionable, because the efficacy and "leg room" afforded by the 357 Magnum catridge is surrendered. On the flip side of that coin, if a person is only going to get a few, 20 round boxes of factory defensive ammo, just enough to get a feel for the round and to actually have some for defense, then there is the factor that Gun Sam mentioned a couple times in his vids: good quality, factory made, combat oriented, 38 Special +P is the same price as, or **cheaper** than, equivalent 9mm Luger. So whether a person has a dedicated 38 Special revolver, or they tend to shoots 38s out of their 357 Mag revolver, whether they go through cases of ammo, or just enough to make sure a particular load works well for them in their pistol; I fail to see where it makes economic sense to go pick up a revolver in 9mm Luger to "save money."
I definitely experienced bullet creep in mine to the point it locked up the cylinder. That was with target ammo. Still can't wait until you can try some heavy weight bullets in that 9mm.
Great video. The bullet creep has turned me away from a 9mm revolver. It turned me away from lightweight 44 mag and probably from a small 357 mag. I didn't think that would happen with 9mm. 38 special +p is too weak. If I get a defensive revolver it will be a 357 mag, but for now I'll stick with my 357 Sig.
I think costs of ammo must be area specific. Where I live, .38 Special is several more dollars per box than 9mm. Plus there is less of a variety of .38 than 9mm, as well. I like .38 but it's just pricier and harder to find "the good stuff". Ordering online inevitably costs the equivalent of a whole box or more for the shipping. Good test, though.
Thank you. I have been wanting a 9mm revolver for a while now. Have a few J frame .38 specials and .357 magnums. Might still get one but less of a priority.
What's funny is right after I filmed this, I got an email from one of my online ammo stores saying I can get .38 Special ammo for $14.99 per 50 round box. I still remember it being 2003 and my buddy and I went to Walmart and were buying Winchester USA 9mm for $9.97 per 100 round carton.
@@GunSam Yea maybe I need to go get some 38’s lol, that’s a good price, we have an academy sports near by, their ammo prices are usually really good. Honestly I love all calibers, I really love 357
I've used both the 9mm and 38?357's over the years and at the risk of offending some fellow shooters, I have never been a 9mm fan. I don't know why but it is noisier and just does not seem to perform as well as the .38 does. But that's just my experience. I have sold all of my 9's and gone back to the 38/357's.
I have never liked the 9mm either. I guess the reason for me is it's boring. Generally 9mm and .38 Special use about the same powder charge but the 9mm burns at twice the pressure, and that's why it's louder. Much like comparing a 12 gauge shotgun with low pressure to a high pressure .30-06, similar power to some degree but that rifle is really loud.
The broad flexibility of bullet types, weights, and shapes in a revolver carries a greater range of versatility by nature, versus something that has to function a slide and feed out of magazines and up ramps and into chambers.
bullet set back for semiautomatic pistols and rifles are easily to check for. all my semi auto ammunition i reload or rarely buy i put primer end under thumb between fingers, then between of outher hand and push the spit out of it against a hard surface. then check with pre set meaning tool .process time afew seconds. i would still do it shooting auto ammunition in revolvers. I've reloaded over 45years and auto ammunition because of variations in cases,bullets,chambers can and do cause bullet set back in auto pistols and rifles leading to most firearm blow ups. but say the different recoil of auto ammunition in a revolver can cause bullet pulling out of case mouth as you have shown. a big plus for those who don't reload is sometimes you buy factory ammunition and the stuf won't fit the chamber or stick.well shoot them in the revolver. plus i reload 355, 356,357 dia bullets in two of my for 9mm pistols i load. some 9mm pistols it works some it won't. but things are going to get much worse as far as reloading supplies and factory ammunition. so it least we have options. papa wishing you well. 😊
In the 1980s Federal developed a rimmed 9mm cartridge for a new Charter Arms revolver, but both died a rather quick death. One concern was that it might fit into old revolvers chambered for the much weaker 38 Colt (and presumably 38 S&W). I don't know if the bullet was roll crimped, but perhaps it should have been. I'd like to see the concept revived, but in a 2" revolver with a shortened frame and cylinder.
Good info. For me, I am not in the market for a new revolver. The magazine fed da/sa and striker pistols are my preference for many reasons. If I was going to purchase a revolver in today's world, I really like the Taurus 692 3" or 4" versions - (.38, .357, & 9mm) due to the variety that can be shot through the revolver and purchased at a reasonable price.
I got the same point of impact when shooting the 110 grain Critical Defense thru my two inch Js. Didn’t matter SA or DA. Went lower and more left as the distances increased. Made me look like was jerking the trigger
A friend of mine had the Ruger LCR in 9mm and I thought it was a great looking revolver. (I always had great respect for that revolver in 38 or 357). But my friend ended-up trading in the LCR 9mm because of bullet creep and the cylinder locking up on him. It's one thing for that to happen at a safe place like your local range, but quite another for that to happen when your life is at stake! I say stick with revolver rounds designed for use in revolvers, and semi auto rounds designed for semi autos. Nuff said.
I chronographed my 2" .357 mag with Hornady VS my basic 4" glock clone 9mm. Different bullet brands but exactly the same weight...the 9mm beat the .357 by 50 fps. The 2" snubby was only hitting 1050fps. I also have a Taurus 2" snubby 9mm that I don't care for. It works fine but you have to manually eject each case without moon clips, but you can't carry a reload of moon clips in your pocket without it getting all bent up 😮
I would love to see a comparison between a 9mm revolver and a comparable 9mm semi-auto. I am sure the cylinder gap would cause the revolver to be less efficient and lose some velocity when compared to a semi-auto. Excellent video! I was surprised to see the 9mm perform well out of a revolver
I’m also very interested to see a shot for shot comparison in the same gel. So a 9mm from the 905 then a 9mm from the G3C. Would love to see critical duty +P.
@@Bozart123 Assuming exact same case mouth pressure on each projectile, the heavy weight bullet has more mass naturally, which causes it to resist movement. Newton's first law: An object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. Given an identical recoil acceleration of the revolver cylinder backward, the heavier bullet will resist movement more than the lighter bullet, and overcome case mouth friction moreso than the lightweight bullet. To get away from this, you increase the weight of the revolver and it simply moves much less quickly and won't act like an inertia bullet-puller.
There used to be a rimmed 9mm made. I wish S&W would make their I frame in this round with a 3 inch barrel. The I frame is 38 S&W length cylinder known as the Terrier. Also, I think they could make a 9x19 speed loader. Good video. It seems to me that the 4 inch barreled 9mm revolvers had more velocity than the 38 Special.
What I’ve gained from this information and all the other research I’ve done is that a 5 round .38 or .357 may be a little more beneficial for conceal carry because the cylinder isn’t so bulgy, and another thing I’ve noticed with all the different influencers I’ve watched is that nobody talks about decibel levels. Some people are really into the .44 and .357 magnums and the 5.56, but what will firing these different rounds do to our hearing when needing to use our firearms? I realize that mounting a suppressor can help with that, but suppressors are not exactly in everyone’s budget, and it’s definitely not practical to mount a suppressor on our EDC.
Those rounds will essentially do nothing to your hearing unless you actually blow your eardrum. My brother owns an audiology company, he's the president of his area for Miracle Ear, he's hung out with Patrick Duffy because he was a spokesman and all of that. What damages your ears is medium level sounds that go on for years and years, not a few short loud sounds. Like, let's say your lifetime hearing ability is at a 1,000.....(just a random number) and you shot 50 rounds of .357 Magnum on the range one day, no ear protection and your ears rang for 2 days....your hearing health will have dropped from like 1,000 to 999. Two things take your hearing, 1. - blowing the eardrum, and that only happens if your ear is a few inches away from the muzzle. 2. - having nonstop medium level sounds where you hear loudness for 8 hours a day for 25 years such as factory work. Short loud bursts, as long as the eardrum is not blown, do essentially nothing to your hearing. Also, adrenalin will take over and you won't notice that your gun is loud if you are firing in a life or death situation.
@@GunSamthank you, that’s some very helpful information. The first time I shot a .357 I actually had those small foam ear plugs because I was outside and they do sell those in the same section as other firearm equipment so I figured it would be okay. The round sent a sharp ring through my left ear and I had a ringing in it for a while and this experience actually scared me away from the cartridge. Which wasn’t the worst thing in the world because now I have developed a preference for both 9mm and the .45 acp. I have practiced with both and enjoy shooting both very much as each has their own benefits and perks.
The way I explain the auto-loader 'rim' to newbies, is that it is actually rimless. What you are seeing is the extraction groove, making it look like it has a rim. Interesting about the bullet creep.
I could understand wanting to practice on the cheap if you had a Taurus 692 where you can switch cylinders, but I wouldn’t carry the 9mm. Why add things that revolvers weren’t designed for? As far as the expansion goes, I carry Wadcutters in my snubby and only use the Hornady in a 3” or longer barrel. Wadcutters don’t rely on velocity and they cut a pretty mean path.
I remember in my younger days a detective shot a big guy 5 times with his 38 special he finally fell over with the 5th shot then they tried to say the detective used unnecessary force by shooting him 5 times the detective said he didn’t even know he was hitting him until he fell I’ve just never been a big fan of the 38 or 9 mm for that matter I carried a Glock 21 in 45 acp on duty for 20 years now getting older and the weight is an issue so I’ve gone to the Glock 43 X with HSTs or Golden Saber plus p anyway like the pistol with the light colored grips.
From this test I suspect that BOTH rounds have enough power for most defensive situations that most people will find themselves in. While I can't claim any expertise in the subject,and thankfully I've never experienced any kind of shootout for lack of a better term, I think I'm gonna default to carry whichever one you can get. And if you can get either or,carry whichever one you like and can most easily use under stress. Then Pray you never have to use it,but be thankful your Prepared just in case.
@@Bozart123 More. Hold a bowling ball in your hand and violently shake it back and forth. It resists movement. Hold a softball in your hand and violently shake it back and forth, it moves much more easily. A heavy bullet will tend to pull out more easily because it resists the recoil motion of the cylinder.
That's my problem with Critical Defense in general, I want a little more than the 12 inch minimum even if it means giving up some expansion, both rounds would have even less penetration in organic gel
I never understood the point of a 9mm revolver, except that the ammo is cheaper and you probably already have a bunch of it. Personally, if I shoot 9mm it'll be through a semi-auto. I agree that if I want a snubbie, I'll use one rated for .38 Special +P. The Kimber K6XS has caught my eye...
Love my wheel guns, and love my compact 9mm. It would become to have a wheel gun in 9mm, but if I'm carrying a revolver it's gonna be in 357 mag. If I only have 5 or 6 shots I wanna make sure they count lol
The extra energy the 9mm had over the 38 didn't seem to translate to anything other than slightly more damage to the gel. Since gel is not living tissue, I wonder if there is really any difference in so called "stopping power" at all between those two cartridges. This is kind of making me question my choice of carrying 357 Magnums. Maybe all that extra blast and recoil is not giving me any more real terminal performance at a practical level. Target Sports had some of the Winchester White box 110gr SJHP 357 Magnum in stock (Q4204). It's just over $51/50 not counting shipping. I'm only sort of sure it's loaded differently than the Remington 110gr 357 Magnum. I wonder if I'm better off just carrying the 38 SPL+P.
The 9 mm revolver has the advantage of ammo commonality with 9 mm pistols. But 38 Special ammo cannot be used in 9 mm pistols. I have both in case I can't find ammo for one of them so I have all the bases covered.
Honestly, manufacturers would serve 38 better if they used the softer .355 projectiles instead of those intended for 357 magnum. I primarily handload my 38s with 9mm projectiles and see much better performance
In truth. Manufacturers AND consumers would be better off if .38 Special was loaded to its potential. A look at the ballistics statement on a box of Federal .38 Special 158 grain LRN is almost like looking at .38 S&W Short ballistics. It's quite pitiful for what the .38 Special is capable of.
@@ravenrise320 Same with 44 Special. Manufacturers are worried about legal issues or nuissance lawsuits. Reloading companies even: if you download scans of old reloading manuals, they used to publish much hotter mixes. So yeah, many cartridges are being "held back" by relatively anemic loading. It seems to be especially pronounced though with 38 Special, 44 Special, 357 Magnum, and 45 Long Colt.
