"Is gold worth it" part one billion 

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you sound like a DRG version of Ian from forgotten weapons

This is why I should play more single player more

@@CopeAndSeeth Holy shit you're right

Because of weird people

Shit he’s onto us

Yeah for casual or even just slow-ish gameplay gold is more than worth it.

What if someone does two missions before bed, and avoiding gold lets them get a better night's sleep?

@@sauceinmyface9302 they could just not play the game if they want "efficient sleep". But noone is optimizing their life like that. They have 1 hour before bed and skipping gold would never allow them to fit another mission

​@@choty7066 How long do you think most missions are? Because I play DRG a lot before leaving to do irl things and one hour is usually enough for two missions (including longer ones like refinery with bad spawns) and I'll still end up with enough time to check my gear, customize my build a bit, etc. Some missions could even be finished in less than 15 minutes like point extraction.

@@choty7066 It might not be their goal to skip gold so they get more "efficient sleep" (lol) but it is worth considering that would be atleast a marginal benefit to their sleep in so far as that skipping gold would reduce the amount of time they are spending in the specific amount of missions they are going to do before bed.

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Yeah because whenever you find a concentrated gold ore, it’s only 100 gold, not very cash money

I agree

Half as common, four times the gold?

@@Collisto2435 half as Common Double the gold

@@Collisto2435 There would be a big difference in credits/time spent, but the total ammount per mission would be the same.

Maybe gold just isn't that worth it though? It's the future after all. We don't know hardly anything about the economy of this universe besides us mining for a profit.

@@AndrewChumKaser I mean with all the electronics being needed for the space stuff being lost (abandoned pods), gold is still probably worth a lot

@@ImDaRealBoi I mean in star wars gold is actually a pretty cheap

Honestly, considering it's so common that gold is just everywhere, and that there is a way to magically manifest extra gold through drinking beer, it's probably actually just not worth too much, still worth a decent price, but not that expensive.

@@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar You realize that Hoxxes IV is ridiculously rich in minerals right? There is more gold there than in our solar system.

based as hell man, I do the same but never realized.

**ahem** FUCK THE ENGINEERS THAT DON'T PLATFORM GOLD WHEN REQUESTED I don't kick on principle, but my god if it doesn't tempt me. Just accomodate each other.

that's actually based and Dwarf pilled

This is the best possible way to look at it

something that I think should be added to the conversation is if a gold loving engi pings and plats a gold vein for a gold hating scout. I don't really play engi or scout but I have seen one argument over it (not major) between an engi and a scout

Agreed. This conversation is still hung up on progression efficiency. The only way they discuss people wanting gold is "people think it's efficient" or "people may not want to sell minerals." No. I just want to collect every "valuable" as efficiently as possible without leaving a ton behind, for the fun and challenge of collecting it all. Which resource is more useful may determine priority in a bad spot, but I feel I really conquered the mission if we get everything. So yeah, I mine all the gold on Haz 5.

@@Fourger14 Damn. I cant even consistently clear Haz 5... But I also agree with this idea of collecting everything efficiently instead of collecting efficiently for time. I typically play for a long time but only get 2-3 missions done. Just like it better that way.

@@e.d.tejeda4333 Exactly. Past a certain point in progression, collecting anything at all is "pointless." The point is merely to gather it all and see how much you can safely gather in one mission. I'm not a God player by any means. I may frequently beat Haz 5 on solo, but the game gets harder with more players, so I can only beat Haz 5 four player if the whole team is on point. Some folks can solo carry the whole mission on that level of crazy. Still, I think speedrunning only the objective and minerals and then bailing should be the backup strategy for things going wrong. Otherwise, just feels like giving up from the start.

@@Fourger14 I’m one of those people that can hard carry, did it for 2 green beards on an EDD last week 😂, Karl blessed me that night 🤣

No one is stopping anyone from mining the things they wanna mine.

Yeah, I don't bother with certain side objectives if I'm not well equipped to smash quickly with a power attack or one of the drinks, including ebonuts and gunk seeds.

I think gunk seeds are by far the worst offender, at least ebonuts are satisfying as fuck to crack open and you dont have to wait for molly to dump them in one by one

using the one hit gold mod honestly makes the game like 10% better, it's so nice to just be able to enjoy mining gold also i think power attacks should have like 1.5X the radius for minerals, right now it's pretty pointless to use it to mine stuff.

It immediately becomes worth it to mine timewise. The margins are so thin, cutting the time mining difference roughly in half (Minus a bit of extra platforming and travel time, lol) would make a significant difference in the credit/hour calculation. Hell, even if it only comes to ballpark par, I'd call the tweak a success.

Broooo that was my exact thought. Perfect solution imo. Maybe even a slight boost in value too, but yes one hit absolutely solves the problem in my mind

Originally, the gold from a Crassus has this effect.

@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 holy shit thatd be so nice, i cant believe they reverted that

@@FrazzleFlib They reverted it because it didn't work with Pots o' Gold iirc

Thats exactly what they're on about man. If you got time to spare why not. Take some shinies with you :D If you're not about min maxing your efficiency then mine whatever you want

@@HoxtonRules No it goes further than that. It's not just that you can get gold if you don't mind losing a bit of efficiency (by mining gold), it's that if you are playing the level inefficiently for whatever reason (maybe because you don't care, or maybe because you just aren't that good), gold actually BECOMES efficient.

@Sotanaht01 That's a bit like saying it's a good idea to drink your own urine if you don't have any water. You're right, but you may be better off examining the reasons that led you to not have water in the first place. And if you're really gung-ho about running out of water so you have an opportunity to drink piss you're just a weirdo looking for an excuse. The fact that you can engineer a situation where mining gold is the best option you have left doesn't mean mining gold is a good option then or ever, it just means you've become desperate. Grats. None of this is means mining gold makes you a bad person or anything. It's a video game. Do what you want. It's just tiresome seeing so many people who become offended when you talk to them about the potential consequences of their decisions. Conversation just breaks down at that point.

Yeah I think a lot of their assumptions are off. The biggest one is just being reasonable and getting the easy to get gold with teamwork, takes seconds, gets the same amount of credits as a secondary objective. They're saying you have to either get all the gold, which does take awhile and might not be worth it, or skip it altogether. Why? That's silly. It's not an either/or choice.

A pretty smart way to prevent burn out and keep the game interesting imo. Players don't have to keep playing every single day and overclocks just give new ways to play.

it's also smart to have player count spikes in the week. the weekly reset just happened so even people who have all the OCs want to try the new deep dive

Yeah, some people really take stuff too far. I got kicked for mining two small pieces of gold vein a few days ago.

like i still remember there was a bunch of drama in the monster hunter community because some people were optimizing for fastest possible single runs with no mistakes/ideal conditions and other people were optimizing for fastest possible farming over multiple runs with mistakes/unideal conditions, and it was just so pointlessly confrontational

That's exactly the issue, well said.

I think that’s because places like Reddit and Discord, at least in my experience, tend to self-select for the most passionate members of a community. That can be a positive thing-it's nice to have a place to discuss interests that your IRL friends don’t share-but as we’ve seen with this whole gold debacle, it can also lead to pointless arguments.

There can be the occasional asshat since this is a coop game and people will get antsy that people are playing the way that they dont like and being riskier, leaving the team or going slower than they liked. Really people just need to chill since DRG is not a game that needs optimisation

i like the two hit, my take would be gold = 3 to 4 credits instead of 2

@@sopito9923 it would need to be worth like 10-12 each for it to be worth it to me

I think the 2 hit actually feels good to mine. Honestly its just so low value right now you could probably buff it substantially without affecting the correct play.

@@deadlypandaghost Yeah, I’m fine with 2 hits. What they need to do is increase the value, the destruction radius, or both.

Make each unit of gold worth 5 credits (and buff compressed gold accordingly). That should honestly be sufficient.

this is exactly it, the hate and vitriol i receive for playing suboptimally or doing things i enjoy, and more importantly, that better players are able to actively ruin my experience by virtue of their superior efficiency, has lead to significant aversion to optimization or number seeking behavior, i enjoy the gameplay and everything serves that goal, so exp credits or materials are only prioritized as much as i need to gain the next upgrade, overclock, ect and anything else seems toxic and seems to be missing the point

I think it somehow just came to mind one day and this one person starts to ask about efficiency and the conversation started rolling. Then there just naturally started to pop up sides in this conversation. Those sides are now "mining Gold is fun to me" and "Mining Gold isn't fun to me and here is why". I think it wasn't rlly throwing Stones but somehow one Side didn't understand the others points. I am on the Side "I don't like mining Gold" Don't force me, but if you want I can spend a platform. Or mb the conversation was also fueled by the passive sabotage of mining Gold in Haz5 known or unknown when Scout/Engi should focus on Nitra idk. It is not just the Value of Gold but also what priority it has to players. I think it was the Haz5 thing. Not all Gold mining is bad, but you should know what has priority.

No, it’s people sprinting ahead and smashing mission progression events to speed run even if it will wipe the team. This isn’t a matter of skill, at all.

@@Hokuhikene​⁠ and what’s the priority based on? A spreadsheet? Or the intended game design? Because optimization and intended gameplay should never be conflated. Your art teams responsibility in any game is to convey information to the player. Gold being valueless in a game about mining is not what 99% of people are going to think. You might as well make gold instantly kill the player, and then defend that game design.

Well, sure. But then you're not really who I'm talking about in that bit, there's a difference between "enjoys progression" and "is only playing because they feel like they need to get everything".

@@LazyMaybe Just like there is a difference between the OC system that disincentivises grinding a lot of hours every day or week and say Halo Infinite's that incentivises grinding for hours.

I am in the same boat, I enjoy games because of the fact that I feel like I am getting something extra along with the fun gameplay, I enjoy when I have a goal to achieve. When it's just gameplay, each mission makes the experience more and more stale and eventually you stop having fun, in other words, you get burnt out but for me, I get burnt out a lot faster if I don't feel like I am earning anything out of it. As for players who play a game to completion like it's a job, I have honestly never seen someone that deranged in my life, I can't imagine playing a game I only enjoy because I want to complete literally everything, the moment you see cores as a collectable, I don't know what to tell you.

Agreed, turn gold into a crafting mineral and let you into the mineral trader early only selling gold before unlocking the rest as per normal. Perhaps it could also be used for some kind of tech since gold makes a good conductor.

Probably just too valuable to give to a dwarf from the companies standpoint.

Imagine if the statues in memorial hall had to be made with gold you mined, that would be nice, also like cosmetic stuff like you said

Which is why you don’t have your art team use GOLD as the in-game representation of worthless in a game about exploration and mining. You’re just going to turn every match into a solo speed run, with players spamming progress events even if it wipes the team.

100% this. The overclock RNG system was never ideal, but has gotten significantly worse with the addition of new weapons. The chances of actually getting an interesting and game changing overclock that you want are way too low. There definitely needs to be a way to occasionally bypass the overclock RNG (My personal recommendation would be Error Cube forging)

Yeah, I'm at the tail end of the grind, and out of most of my friend group, I have the most hours in this game by a longshot. 600-700 hours just since the first season of the battlepass, on-and-off doing every weekly thing, and only just now, after getting just about every OC in the game, did i finally get the ones that I wanted to get. I wanted the funny fat boy, hoverclock, special powder, plasma burster missiles, blistering necrosis, six shooter, goo bomber, neurotoxin payload, etc. etc.... All of my friends that play the game got their favorite overclocks immediately, and it was somewhat frustrating that only after getting 500 hours in the game did I even get my first goddamn Flamethrower overclock. Don't get me wrong--I love this game, but it feels like when getting an overclock, could I at least choose the weapon I'm going to unlock it for? It feels like a gacha game at times. My favorite part of this game is that it's a social experience, my friends get together every couple of days and we have fun playing, running silly builds for hard missions, getting drunk on haz 5 lethal enemies + elite threat eliminations, and doing silly stuff. We talk and get to know each other, and at the same time just enjoy the funny dwarf game because we all find it fun, and we're all modestly competent. This is the only FPS game that I've ever taken seriously outside of the Metroid Prime games on the wii, since most competitive FPS games have just been a depressing and toxic mess to get into, and I didn't like it, but this--DRG is just a fun co-op game, where the incentive is to help your team and strategize, and you have the freedom to play the game how you want to play it. The meta doesn't matter as long as you're having fun IMO. If you're not having fun *and* running a shitty build, and getting angry that the game is too hard, maybe take some time to build your guns differently so you're not getting caught with your pants down, try something new, enjoy yourself. If you enjoy playing the meta, by all means play neurotoxin payload+fear. It doesn't and shouldn't matter how you want to play the game, and if you're coming into somebody else's game just to tell them they're playing "wrong" you're an asshole. Sorry, I have a tendency to rant. This game is great, just honestly, seeing some of the toxic people in this game on top of not getting the silly overclocks that I want to test out has made it underwhelming at times. But now that I'm nearing the point where I'm getting all the weapon overclocks forged and everything that I want, I'm starting to have a lot more fun playing, just building silly dwarves and taking what I think would be fun to play for whatever mission. Definitely Nano Tox is right, error cubes could totally be used for forging a specific overclock that you want--and if that makes error cubes more rare--so be it. If not for getting a specific overclock, getting to choose which weapon you want the overclock to be for would be cool for the error cube. It would have made my fire driller less unbearable (I'm still only running the ammo OC cuz that's the only one I have).

Exactly. Don't forget that those OCs also require minerals to forge. Missions are around 20 minutes each, and you also need those minerals for other things. This game is a massive timesink for no good reason. I'm 200 hours in, and I only started gathering OCs recently, because only at this point I'm comfortable enough progression wise. Because only after 200 hours I can be finally done with all weapon upgrade and promotion grind to get to arguably the most fun part about the game

Same, at least it coudl somewhat even out the distribution of the overclocks, after 4-5 months i still have absolutly fucking nothing for both cryocannon and hurricane. For the past 3 weeks i have gotten nothing but shit. Oh how gratefull i am for chain hit on subata my dear rngeesus.

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I think they just need a reliable way to take RNG out of the occasion, even if it's very limited. That way getting the OC you want is a sure thing and when you get it by chance it's a pleasant surprise rather than relief that you can move on to the next class you want OCs for.

Definitely, the OC discussion is a really important one because it's something that seems to hold off a lot of players from enjoying the game as much as they could have. A suggestion I saw was using the error cubes as a way to get particular OCs, which may be nice, although playing seeded missions could make this obsolete and easy to exploit. This game has been a wonderful experience, and I've met some of my favorite friends playing it. Having put in like 30-50 hours a week into this game during the summer break, I can safely say I've enjoyed about 98% of it, with the only frustrations really coming from not getting some of the silly OCs that I wanted to try out for the longest time. The only other frustration has come from needing certain minerals and not having the biome that I want on the mission select menu XD Other than that, this game has been a delight to play, although it's more of a social experience, since doing things solo is not too fun in my opinion, unless I'm getting the last mission out of the way for an assignment while waiting in vc to play with my friends. I hope you continue to enjoy the game and that you get all the OCs you want, flamethrower has been treating me like crap lately, only have the lighter tanks OC even after 600+ hours of playing these last few months.

Just means there's more gold for you to mine in a team of 4 while everyone else is doing objectives instead lol

It's not bad. It is "not optimally efficient when grinding for xp or credits with intent". If you're just playing in a random lobby, without excessive communication or focus on speed, it doesn't make much of a difference whether you mine it or not.

@@ToxNano Yep. That's the big elephant people keep ignoring, you can't guarantee the time efficiency needed if you play even semi-casually. If anything, convenient gold can be seen as insurance for bad time efficiency. We're not even getting into the variance present in how much mineral you can mine while keeping time efficiency up.

yeah, people really refuse to admit of how grindy this game is sometimes

The problem there is that you want *others* to go out of their way to play *your* way. Obviously that's going to raise tension. "I wish everyone just played my way." lol Yeah no kidding. Anyway, I was a "greenbeard" when I learned of "just sell minerals" and it worked out perfectly fine for me.

@@lein5300 how on earth did you have enough minerals to craft OC’s, pay for promotions and buy weapons and upgrades for them?

@@lein5300 "hey, can you place a platform, so i can mine that gold vein?" "NO, you're forcing ME to play YOUR way, you're so problematic"

@@Collisto2435 Promotions are cheap early on, and patience I guess? Maybe it's just me, but I'm not the type of person that feels like they *have* to have everything *right now.* For those type of people maybe it is an issue. lol But gold doesn't fix that either anyway, so you're still going to have to have patience. That's the nature of grindy games.

Except the game is about mining and exploration. It’s not about speed running every objective and wiping your team because of what you read on a spreadsheet. The art team shouldn’t choose gold as the in-game representation of valueless.

That’s not a miscommunication. That’s people who are unjustified jerks enforcing a stereotype all on their own, who are even still jerks if they were CORRECT. If a whole subset of the community WANTED to play like they’re on meth… they have EVERY RIGHT TO. That’s not a communication. The people being toxic towards their stereotype targets are just… the bad guys. Its entirely on them alone to clean up their act and up to us as a community to shun them, frankly.

Also because the game attracts a lot of casuals, and casuals often dont care about the hidden stuff. Any time real game numbers are brought up they become dismissive because 'youre a tryhard', as if that somehow invalidates the statement in question.

I think that gold is valuable. It generates alot of youtube content, so there is your value.

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For a crassus, because all of the gold is concentrated in one location, the time/reward calculation is actually more favorable than in the case of gold veins. Since the advantages of ignoring gold are very slight to begin with, mining the full crassus crater is likely more efficient. I regret to inform you of this, but you got angry at your team for playing optimally.

@@omnitroph1501 You realize that I basically finished the mission in time it took them to mine it? If they were helping me instead we'd be done with it significantly faster. Also it's a good etiquette to follow the host, if they ask you to leave the gold you leave, if they ask you to mine it, mine it.

To be fair, they've both been saying that the entire time. It's mainly just the people who are outraged by the fact that the information doesn't conform to how they already play that act otherwise.

"I also like to take pots of gold on most missions that aren't Refining or Point Extraction missions." Pots of gold is worth it regardless of if you sell minerals(unless you mine the gold very slowly), so anyone who's trying to get credits should be getting it.