Just wanna add something about Slingshot for him, I talked about it while making the weapon sheet on stream but forgor to mention it again during the recording: Based on Slingshot wording, I assume you won't get the +60% CA DMG% on the Hat portion of his damage, and you'll instead get the -10%. With this assumption, even if you manage to work around Slingshot's CRIT Rate and still manage to not overcap on CRIT, it's not particularly good compared to the other F2P options. However, if this assumption is wrong and you do get the +60% CA DMG% on the hat, then Slingshot performs similarly to Viridescent Hunt without accounting for its grouping passive, making it a fairly good F2P option if you manage to balance your CRIT ratio. I don't think this scenario is likely though, so just keep that in mind
So basically, the weapon banner for Lyney is literally perfect, his two best weapons are on the banner, so whichever you get, you got an amazing weapon for him
@@thegreatBarbossa yep you are right butttt....lyney is released first, no one can get freminet until 21 days after fontaine release. So lyney isss the FIRST character to do this.
Lyney seems like a good character who's specifically meant to be really easy to build. He wants a mono pyro team. Xiangling and Lynette are free and they're giving a free bennett in 4.0. He has crit rate ascension and a crit rate artifact set so he doesnt have to worry as much about perfect crit value rolls, he can just focus on atk and crit damage. I kind of like it as a design space. He's good enough to compete even if you are an endgame player but he's also very straightforward to build.
I also does agree with him being good character but Artifact wise it would be verrry hard to farm since you would not want to overcap the crit rate mean while EM is useless for him so tow more less useful stats to get and 5cd rolls are quite hard I mean so hard to come by probability wise it's worst
@@Sarvitar0902his weapon has crit dmg so his ascension stat has to have crit rate it’s always opposite, if the character has CDMG ascension, then he has a Crit Rate weapon and if he has a Crit dmg weapon, he’ll have a crit rate ascension
thoma c6 is a shielder and increases charged attack dmg of teammates by 15%, but you're losing the dmg from his burst by not normal attacking so... I'm just "well ackshually"-ing
Despite the fact that Lyney and Blade have a different personalities, it amuses me greatly that the VA has voiced two mihoyo characters with hp loss mechanics
Its sad that even tho there are so many support units, none directly works with Charged Attacks Its only Normal Attacks party Thoma Xingqiu Yelan Candace c6 Beidou (Beidou actually works with charged attacks, found out by comments) Yun Jin Its so sad, Hoyo please release a support for charged attack units, it can be anemo for grouping and shreading (Like a C6 Faruzan on steroid support) or a Geo low damage but shielding (Thoma but with charged attacks)
@@lucasfranke5161We need more honestly, and who even use beidou for charged attacks? Charged attacks take longer than normal attacks and are fewer than NAs. I can see it helping Tighnari in AOE but that's huge cope
No doubt CA buffers have been thought of already by HoYo, we'll just have to wait... and Ganyu will become God-tier again instead of new CA users looool.
What I like about him is that mihoyo seems to be changing their kit design philosophy from the player's feedback: Team restriction dealt in a better way than nilou, reasonable constellations
Nilou isthe best AoE team in game so having a prerequisite for the teambuilding really feels satisfying over anything else, not even Xianling compares to Nibloom
He isn’t forced in to mono pyro like how nilou is forced to use only hydro/dendro but it’s even worse when lyney uses almost all of the good supports in the game to have a good team. Kinda worse than nilou situation tbh cause nilou issue was never about the lock on hydro and dendro directly. It was that there were no options for the team which only increase over time.
@@sweetbabyrayso5262agreed, it seems like he wasn't forced to play mono pyro, but he was encouraged to the point that other teams just pale in comparison. So his team restriction is even greater than Nilou's because Pyro doesn't have that many good support, and universal supports that doesn't mess with the pyro aura is also quite valuable
@@caseyimilleryou completely miss the point. No one says nilou is bad. It's her restriction that makes her pull value kinda low and not really desirable.
I understand why you don’t like nilou’s team restriction but she’d be incredibly busted if she could be paired with venti to group enemies and Kazuha or Sucrose to buff the team’s EM there would be no point in using any other team even if doing so decreased her bloom damage by 20%
No, shut up. Having grouping and swirl abuse on top of broken AoE explosions that don't require a single crit stat would totally be much better and healthier design. I need to bench my other teams even more than I already do
lyneys kit looks like what yoimiya couldve been strong single target that has aoe but you also get damaged burst is where the self damage comes from but you get a shield with talents (shield gets extra pyro damage absorption) gives a reason to actually burst every rotation would also work perfectly with the artifact set that looks like its literally made for her (shield strength+extra damage while shielded) its kind of annoying how they made yoimiya a fireworks maker but didnt give her aoe. then they release another 5 star pyro bow with aoe
I honestly don't have any problems which her NA focused kit but her burst being complete trash is what irks me. As a fireworks maker she should have had some AOE in her burst. I'm fine with the burst damage but after she does her burst she should've been able to mark all the enemies in a certain AOE instead of just marking one and then killing it to transfer the mark. So even if she doesn't have any strong AOE abilities she could've functioned as a good support during her skill downtime. Also her constellations are absolute trash for a limited 5* character. Only constellation which is useful is her C2 which grants her 25% Pyro Damage bonus for 6 secs on a crit hit but apart from that everything is trash. Her C6 might just be the worst C6 in the game as it completely F up her vape combo by firing an extra arrow so now her 7th NA attack will not vape resulting in huge dps loss.
So he's essentially stacking fuck ton of atk by the following ways : 1}character passive Mono pyro (100%) 2} pyro resonance (20%) 3} bennet burst (20-40 %) 4}IF you run 4pc noblesse on any of the character in the party (20%) 5} weapon passive (48%) And add the crit rate buffs from his ancesion and weapon, he'd have wayy more atk and CR than anything that his best stat in a mono pyro team is CDmg😂😂
IMO, they made Dendro too powerful, and the game suffers because of it. They need to do a lot to boost the other elements back up to the level of Dendro for the game to come anywhere close to being balanced now. Geo and Physical, especially, are basically dead now, but even Pyro and Cryo are less appealing than they once were. There was way too much focus on Dendro.
@@summermoney2971they were meta however investment wise for resin duribg that tine waa highly fixated of emblem of severed fate and hyper carry artifacts such as pale flame cryo artifact set and crimson witch. Which are innately hard to succeed in. A lot of dendro comps require less resin than average and some the dendro artifacts (gilded dreams) changed an entire landscape for team building. Its has also been one of the elements most associated with breaking hydro related enemies. While maintaining strong elemental diversity. A cryo team trult only has hydro cryo and anemo, a dendro team can have much more variety.... and the costs for building them are only truly limited to your team comping options...
pyro and cryo are still something they are very careful about, they are so careful that cryo doesn't have any characters that ignore the ICD rules after 2 years and pyro only has xiangling, that's very telling that they don't want to spoil the balance that they have been trying to maintain but it is likely that at some point they will have to.
@@netparse Well said if pyro and cryo had any independence from hydro units to function on their own the forward amplifying reactions would take center stage. I kind of want them to do that though because its hard to justify certain units now when EM builds are pretty cracked as far as dendro is concerned
Its bad without stacks, dependent on fights whether you can even have any trash to clear, doesn’t work off field, and Lyney is probably bad at killing trash because he’s single target.
@@dannielblo1602 lowkey but yoi doesn't have any hp depletion/restoration mechanic like lyney and hu tao do. plus she relies on na while the other two rely on ca
actually amos being the bottom tier of 5star is actually not bad, just because everyone now and then will get amos from standard or missed from weapon banner and they can use it on lyney, plus not a lot of 4star characters use amos anyway... so it might be a material saving if that's the case
@@pongyyyythats honestly very generous, looking at how ganyu can be a flex burst dps, having wider team comps, less squishy, and is aoe, I don't think they are at the same level
Even though I do plan skipping him mainly because I'm holding out for the archon. It sounds like his build with his set is very Ayaka like. Not much crit rate needing more so load him up with attack% energy recharge crit damage.
He already gains a lot of energy from his pyro teammates + A1 passive + his skill generates 5 energy, so that makes it easier for players to focus on damage-related stats
@bloddrinkeraka I mean true, but I also am not super enthused about his gameplay. Ironically, if anything, I might drop a couple of 10 pulls into Yelan's banner. I do like the gameplay of his sister lynette, although I do know we get a free one right away. I do want to get some of her cons. I'm gonna try and stay above 80 wishes. It's also what I want involving the archon. I want her and her weapon. My account is the ultimate archon simp account.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Phys Xiangling. I try to play Pyro Xiangling with 4p Exile yet my Phys Xiangling does more damage and doesn't need funneling. I try to play Yoimiya but she is just a silhouette on a character sheet. I see no Cyno yet. There's no more Dehya disappointment anymore. I want to play Klee because she's better than Diluc and definitely better than Xiangling, though the arsonist child is clunky to play. I want to play Childe but I don't know how rotations work and play him as a hypercarry. She grabs me by the throat. I farm Northlander Billets for her. I cook for her. I give her R5 Cresent Pike. She isn't satisfied. "Save up for Signora. Hopefully she's a dedicated Physical support Cryo catalyst, surely." In the meantime I try giving Vortex Vanquisher to her because she deserved it more than Zhongli. "I don't need this much ATK%," She tells me. "Give me more field time." She lamented. "You just need to pull Cryo Amber so I have more Superconduct uptime" I can't pull for Ganyu, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs Gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in her eyes. Nothing but underwhelming white damage numbers. What a cruel world... TL:DR: OPPA XL on top.
IVE BEEN WAITINGGG like his kit is A++ for how flashy it is but at the core of it all, its kinda like tighnari? but with one arrow shooting out instead of 4. but i havent been factoring reactions because he seems to love mono-pyro but id definitely look into it. edit: i have to agree. his passive is GOOD! not because its groundbreaking but because it doesnt cripple him entirely when you play him differently 😭 nilous main deal is super blooms. lyneys main deal is his prop arrows and hats. those dont get removed when you play him in other teams than mono. looking at his multipliers now, i think mono will be strong! surprisingly, you can get a lot of pyro dmg bonus from xiangling and bennett. kazuha is nice but that would leave 1 slot which most people would probably put a shielder.
I don't think he's like Tighnari since it doesn't seem like he has a way to make instant charged shots, which is what makes Tighnari godly in quickswap teams, and why Ganyu's slow charged shots feel terrible to play.
@@mmmkay2457indeed ganyu is half a second longer, but getting hit in the half a second makes a solid chunk of your soul crack into tiny bit sized pieces
if only nilou would let us have a flex slot like lyney edit: you guys, its not about power, its about getting to use more characters without invalidating her one unique gimmick lol
tbf. they'd have to completely redesign how bountiful cores work. it would be cool if nilou wasn't so restrictive but they'd have to nerf her gimmick a lot.
Yeah... I used to curse how Nilou made slots restricted. Then I went and got some amazing hydro/dendro charas and she's so strong. Wouldn't take a Nerf in exchange for a flex slot
Except Nilou can use the most copium Hydro/Dendro teammates and still nuke the enemies like it's nothing. Ironically, Nilou is super easy to build despite restrictions.
@@thegreatBarbossajust make its damage bonus exponential scale on the amount of hydro and dendro teammates up to the current value at full team. That way your highly incentivised for full team but still benefit at low members. Zajef has brought this up before. It's not hard, it is shitty design, would not take a complete redesign. Many other chars have this kind of scaling on their passive skills.
Charge attack play style on bow characters is so clunky, imo he looks boring af to play. I feel like if you playing this character its because your spirit animal is Hisoka.
You can technically run him with Dehya for the triple pyro bonus on ascension passive, but Tankfei + Prototype Amber is straight up better than Dehya. Sorry Dehya lovers, she is the ultimate trash...
@@Matthew-qt3jk i mean if you dont use bennett?? He is very strong compared to current meta teams. He doesnt need TTDS when youre probably struggling with survivability. If your team looks like Lyney Yanfei Bennett Kazuha then your damage is.more than fine
I don't know if you switched to Comic Sans in Excel just for the memes, but it might have actually been a good decision because it's really easy to read
Can't wait to see mono pyro being forced to use a bow character, because Lyney is the answer for flying enemies in the Abyss. Not to forget pneuma and ousia.
don't forget, he has pneuma in his charged shot, every new character has this new mechanic in either NA/skill/burst, so you count the damage + arkhe mechanic.
I'm glad I got 2 Aqua's, it makes the newer bow characters a lot more desirable for me. I can use it on Ganyu, Tighnari, Lyney, Yelan, and more! Even memes like DPS C6 Faruzan is not that bad with it.
Yeah it’s a great bow. I have mine on fischl right now. But since polar star still isn’t getting a good banner I’ll probably give it to Childe and give fischl skyward
Lyney's Bow looks like it could be awesome for Ganyu in mono Cryo / Freeze. You get higher base Atk than Acqua, a lot fo Crit Dmg, Same Atk% Boost as Amos(mono cryo), and CA% Dmg... I mean... It's like it combines a lot of good stuff from multiple weapons.
Why you didn't say anything about burst hypercarry vape team with Mona? 3 seconds burst duration will be ideal for 5 second Mona's Omen, burst damage will insane and other buffs will be enough for making strong 2-3 or maybe 4 CA.
I like his kit and he is at a good power level, but having Childe, melt Ganyu and Hu Tao, I don't know if I can justify pulling him before the Fontaine lineup is mostly revealed. He looks fun and flashy (and has a funny cat!), but I have two characters who want the same team as him already and one that can reasonably drive mono-pyro if needed, so playing him may not feel as fresh for me as I'd hoped for. We'll see, I'll have 3 weeks after his release to decide.
Lyney is the first character I saved for since Nahida, so I was waiting for this a lot. Thanks for the pre-release! Will be enjoying my time in Fontaine with mr strimmer again like I did in Sumeru :)
I really like Lyney but not his teams. As he is the only Fontaine chatacter I really like I'm still not so certain to get him or not. I have both Kazuha and Zhongli and Benny too. I don't know. I actually like Tighnari but I barely use him...
@@Marz333 exactly. He's a magician that turns into a cat with great voice lines. I reeeeallly love him. I hope that Xingqiu is on his banner because of Yelan so I have a purpose to pull him anyway.
How about using him in burning team?, Is burning count as pyro aura?, Burning can damage your own character if you close enough to the enemy, so you can reliably keep the new artifact passive, Just my thought, don't take it too serious
Im conflicted on Lyney. On one had I love bow users and glass cannon characters, on the other hand I don't like how he's pretty forced into Lyney Bennet flex Anemo/Zhongli. (Also with bennet aura Lyney is gonna get one shot all the time). It's yet another bennet impact team that is reliant on Kazuha
Lyney's Perilous Performance passive that triggers off a change in HP will probably push ppl to have healers instead of shielders instead which will make him even squishier, since I assume the passive would turn off once he reaches the 60% mark and stops consuming HP per shot. However, still very excited for this character, I think i've got a bit of dendro fatigue where setting up reactions like Thoma burgeon can be finicky and temperamental so mono pyro with big numbers might be refreshing.
I dont get this lol. There's already bennett that can sustain him decently. He can also heal himself practically to full health every use of skill. So shielders are definitely better than another healer aside from bennett.
@@mochiicecream1487 I was just going off raw mechanics, for instance there are times when Bennett isn't available such as in a different Abyss team so it might be more beneficial to go for a sole healer and free up a slot for a better dmg dealer. And you should probs be doing his healing skill only after multiple shots, in which case, only the first shot will be using his passive and the rest will be stuck at the 60% with no HP changes if you're using a shielder but I could be wrong. It's mostly just saying that they seem to have HP changes with him in mind so a shielder might not be his best in the long run.
@@brondermody3409 oh i see. Well healers are indeed more valuable to him than shielders. The reason why zachef is focusing more on shielders/interrupt res is because the synergy of lyney and bennett( which is already a healer) is almost the same as hu tao and xingqiu. I mean I guess if the player doesn't really care about dmg much, removing benny from his team will automatically require a healer in his team slot so yeah. Besides, there aren't really any other great buffers for lyney. But ye I understand where you're getting at.
@@mochiicecream1487 Yea, I wasn't trying to present it as some hidden make-or-break mechanic, it was just something to keep in mind esp when they release new units that have HP change scaling which Fontaine seems to be about :)
I don't understand how someone can use Bennet with Lynney. His Burst is a cat car that you have to drive around. Bennett burst is a tiny circle. So you just burst and sit still for 4 seconds in Lynne's cat until it explodes? it doesn't sound that good honestly.
Seems like a character I might like to try, but I'm so un-excited about another character that's glued to bennet. Theres a lot more team options without bennet than there used to be but it's still quite limiting when most hypercarries, a lot of vape teams, pretty much every melt team, and also a lot of burgeon teams will all be pretty incompatable in the abyss with lyney on the other side.
Zajef looking at Loquacious Cajoling: (attempts to pronounce it) Zajef looking at Prestidigitation, a word every single DnD nerd knows how to say: ...I don't know how to say that Not criticizing, I just thought it was funny af 😂
I know Zajef dislikes spending money on Genshin and try to make people don't do it if they don't have stable income and I agree with that but saying 30% between his signature bow and bad 4* options is not that big is misleading. Realistically, he's CA bow user, so his teams would be like Lyney/Bennett/Kazuha/Defensive option. In this case he's literally hypercarry and most of his team damage. In this case 30% is very significant difference.
Love what zajeff has done for theorycrafting in the past 2 years, but people really need a more objective TC content creator to get a bigger picture. At least with tenten you would know if something is broken or dogshit and get a definitive conclusion out of the video, instead of beating around the bush.
Do you think people don't understand what 30% means? The number is the number, whether it is worth blowing $600 in primos is up to you. I feel like his message is pretty clear, so I don't see how it is in any way "misleading".
Hydro Traveller too, I think Traveller will have whichever one of Pneumia / Ousia that Lynette doesn't have. And at least we will all get Lynette for free.
@@bloddrinkeraka According to leaks, this mechanic will be in abyss also, and it is the only way to deal with long invulnerability phases of new bosses that will also have high hp.
i wont lie im pretty annoyed that he's a CA bow user, if he used any other weapon or didnt need to CA then lyney bennet xiangling kazuha would be extremely fun and strong, but (probably to balance his insane theoretical dps) he's super squishy with no stagger resist and the most vulnerable playstyle in the game, which forces anyone who isn't really skilled to use a shielder or dehya instead of xiangling or kazuha which is a big dps loss. he doesnt care about kazuha buff though so if we ever get an anemo shielder then his team will be insane
i would like to play him in a burning team, heck just any pyro units that applies too much pryo, but man is it trash and annoying to keep up especially when the best dendro char for it is the worst being nahida where her skill doesnt proc to continue the burning. so trash i wish they would have made it so a pyro atk would some how continue the procking burn reaction so her skill could reactivate. and dont tell me no bull about the pyro aura and what not cuz quicken exists, they couldve just made it like that. still waiting for our dendro xianling unit, someone who can pair with cyno too.
It's NOT PNEWMA as you guys have been saying. It's pronounced as pneVma. It's a Greek word meaning spirit/soul and Ousia meaning substance (pronounced as Ou-see-a)
Lots of Sanskrit, Chinese, Japanese word pronunciations have been butchered in the eng version of Genshin, mostly in the name of localisation. Expect the same with this too (and whatever French words we get in Fontaine) 😂
Does anyone know the title of the song in the beginning of the video, I'm just wondering? Also I'm quite positive about Lyney in the near future, so I'll probably will pull for him!
"I know some good games we could play," said the cat "I know some new tricks," said the cat in the hat "a lot of good tricks. I will show them to you. your mother will not mind at all if I do."
