Is it okay to like Kanye? (recorded 2020) 

It's nice to hear someone point out that not all eccentric behaviour can be traced right back to Kanye's bipolar disorder.

Jordan, as a trans man, I really appreciate that you pointed out people misgendering trans people in videos and not editing it out. It is so frustrating when I see that because then it makes me reflect on the person and thinking if they would or are doing the same to me. You can easily re-film the clip and put it in, it's really that easy. Instead of subjecting viewers to see you misgendering someone, repeatedly, even if you're correcting yourself. It makes them look so bad.

I need Jordan’s voice to tell me a bedtime story every night. I don’t think I would ever have problems falling asleep again

"If any community you're around is built around hating something or someone, how could that make you feel good?" That's such a simple and obvious statement but it's SO applicable to so many communities.

Talking about friends with differing beliefs; how people handle the pandemic really made me reevaluate certain friendships. It really shows people's values...

The little bit of grey on anti-Jarvis' hair is * chef's kiss *

I'm Polish, can confirm we are notoriously violent towards computers.

We need a Kanye retrospective in light of recent events lmao

well this aged strangely

watching this in 2023 feels so weird bc of all the absolutely unacceptable things kanye did in the past year. i appreciate the way jarvis and jordan talked about him in this episode because at the time, it wasn't talked about or criticized as much as it should have been. I'm sad that Jarvis's hope for kanye to be better ended up completely broken :(

gotta love the (recorded 2020)

let's revisit this omg

This is such an intelligent conversation. I got really excited when you were talking about Kanye and Black Trump supporters as well as pro-Trump trans people. I think that the idea is that they think they're protecting themselves and taking back autonomy, but in actuality, they undermining the efforts that are trying to get us to a safer and more equal place. It also enables people with malintent to make bad faith arguments based on them and their disingenuous claims. I am always so surprised to hear someone actually delve into this in a constructive way, and I'm really glad to hear you guys specifically do it.

Jarvis looks gold in this episode

watching this in 2023 is such a trip wow

i’m both a militant swiftie and a lifelong kanye fan. it’s a lonely road i walk.

i had to straight up stop what i was doing and comment bc i was so floored by the way jordan described the compartmentalization people w conservative values participate in and the divulgence in debate under the guise of democratic conversation. seriously put it so perfectly wtf. this whole conversation just felt really good to hear and i really appreciated the nuance you guys brought

my dad is a "debate me" guy and I've never been able to put into words what I found so wrong about it, this is why I love listening to you guys

im literally watching this now to see if anything has aged well 😭 Kanye gets worse and worse with every passing day

BDG's left Polygon now, posting independently. Loved unraveled, excited to see what he does next

These old Kanye shenanigans seem so quant now don't they :/

How you guys feel about Kanye is how I feel about my dad! 😃 He's always been someone I looked up to and he's so clever and smart and talented, but since he sat in front of FOX "News" right before Obama got into office...I'm so bitter and disappointed that he sincerely believes in what they say and push. We're Puerto Rican/Mexican and it's just...I'm overwhelmingly sad about it because I don't have my Dad anymore. You boyz talk about the good hard stuff and I appreciate that about your conversations. 💖

A BDG / Sad Boyz collab would actually be the best thing I’ve ever seen, just so you know haha

Great conversation as always. I’ll never get over how this show travels through so many great topics in a single episode.

There's something special about Jordan's brand of humor. When you flatly drop "flavor away" or "Gucci Gucci mane" with no change in facial expression, I burst into laughter. I've never really caught on to dry humor very well, but the deadpan delivery is so spot on that I'm not only buying into the conversation but also giggling along with it throughout. Don't get me wrong, Jarvis makes me feel supremely *Premium* on the GOLD channel and I can't get enough of the jokes there lately (I've just discovered all of these channels). I'm having the most fun and now feel challenged to go back and watch the 2017 stuff lol ... speaking of which, lately I can't remember what happened last week versus two weeks ago or six months ago. I blame pandemic brain (aka trauma brain), so if you're not remembering what was in a previous episode, I call that normal these days - and by these days, I mean the last two years!

This whole podcast part about Kanye is literally how a lot of people have felt but no one wants to talk about it. LOVE YOU GUYS

i know that this video is old but i just wanna say, as a bipolar person who is also inspired by kanye but has complicated feelings about him, its so refreshing to hear other bipolar ppl talk about kanye with nuance. keep up the good work guys

4:32 "Now you almost look good" I think this is Jordan's form of compliment, how sweet

I appreciate how open and honest you are with each other. Be kind to yourselves and take care :)

I really recommend Curio's video about Ben Shapiro and the aesthetics of intellectualism. It breaks down what Jordan is saying really plainly and exposes how people like Ben Shapiro weaponize these aesthetics to make awful ideology a lot more palatable to audiences who believe (or want to believe) they're engaging with ideology on a purely academic or intellectual level.

"the upcoming cyberpunk" WELL

Me listening to the boys discuss Kanye: "That one didn't age quite so well-"

Jarvis talking about differing political opinions in friends is really reassuring. I feel as though people sometimes don’t understand why others care about morals when making friends. When you’re actively voting against me and others like me as a black man(or poc in general) that’s doesn’t sit well with me. When you’re intentionally voting for policies that suppress lgbtq+ people, Less fortunate people, ex cons and people who are already sentenced and in jail, I can’t be friends with you. you could be a cool person, but that doesn’t trump you actively voting against marginalized groups. Also I couldn’t agree more on the incel convo. All you need is confidence and just improve yourself before finding a girlfriend, or boyfriend or whatever you want.

As a polish person, anytime I see a motherboard I am filled with rage and an uncontrollable urge to destroy it on the spot. Same thing goes for every other polish person so if your computer was here even for a bit Jordan, it had no chance of surviving.

I feel like jordan’s argument on the compartmentalization of harmful ideologies such as pro gun ownership can be compared to people’s reactions to their content creators/music artists committing very harmful actions who don’t take the time to understand the consequences and remain silent once the time comes for them to apologize. An example could be seen in where, despite some of these creators having lengthy sexual assault allegations and acts of racism and misogyny, people tend to continue to support them regardless of them knowing full well the content creator’s actions impacted such a large amount of people due to their influence. Consistently I’ve seen the reasoning for not disassociating from their creators while knowing the actions and the reasons why they’re harmful is “separating the content from the creator” (or something along the lines). which in my view, is absolutely harmful to those who they have affected because you’re directly indulging in their content in your own satisfaction while your engagement directly funds them and their behavior and just tells me “hey i don’t really care what they did” despite them saying they do care about these issues. i understand those who have an emotional attachment to their creators. however, actively ignoring their actions while blaming people in conclusion that it’s just “cancel culture” doing its job is almost as harmful as committing the actions themselves.

My least favourite as a trans woman is when on the phone with some various company and they want me to say my deadname to verify my identity, then after that all of a sudden when previously they hadn't said my initially stated preferred name to me at all, they work my deadname into every single sentence for the rest of the call. I can't even trust like, institutions to not do this stuff, so yeah, I have super low expectations with just random people on the internet and youtubers and stuff and am always in the exasperating position of being really refreshed to see good behavior but also feeling like I am giving out a gold star to people for just, not being vile.

Re: 41:00 bad faith arguments shouldn’t be given the platform to continue, but so much of North American politics is rooted in the continued normalizing of said arguments that we are all, to some degree, forced to engage with them. That being said, there IS a line for each scenario.

You guys should do another one of these, now

I used to listen to your show as a freshman and now I'm a freshman in college, life is a trip glad you're back

What a delight. Nice Anamanaguchi shirt, too.

The range of emotions I felt listening to this was like going through therapy, multiple life-changing Ted talks, and lectures about things I’m not very educated about all within an hour. I mean this in the best way possible. And it was perfectly topped off with the overwhelming joy of watching Jarvis solve a rubik’s cube in one minute! Anyway, back to my Sad Boyz marathon, one of the few things bringing me comfort right now

Is Jordan Graying or is there fuzz in his hair, either way I'm on board

yall idk if this one aged well, love ya tho

please get BDG on the pod..... we need it

Just started the pod and why is Jarvis on my left and Jordan on my right??

Love to see the pod come back. Great work as always bois!

Oh how enchanting right from the start, watching you two tease each other and break out in laughter is like warm bread and honey for my soul

Damn I had subscribed a while back but never really listened/watch because I feel like I'm consuming so much content that I can't get to the other great content I also want to get to, and I am glad I did. I feel like I can relate to you guys quite a bit and ultimately it felt great to just hear other people like me being vulnerable and honest since in these times I don't get a lot of opportunities to connect with people emotionally with this massive internet/communications barrier that give me anxiety. Anyways, just thanks for being yourselves and putt this stuff out there in the world.

i really love the dynamic that you two have, theres so much care and vulnerability and fun im so happy you're making this podcast :o)

this is genuinely my favorite podcast. you two are so intelligent and insightful and im so glad you talk about what you do :)

Sad Boyz never disappoints. Always just what I needed. Thanks for being you, boyz!

you guys are the only podcast i listen to :D just realized that

Exactly the boys I needed to talk me to sleep tonight 😔

Got so excited when I saw an episode was posted.

Thank goodness for this conversation. It was the little breath of sanity I needed right now.

I love these episodes with just the boyz

I made like two long rants about how important this episode is to me on my SC and I guarantee no one cares, but I'm in a kinda big depressive episode rn and this really helped give me some motivation to try and take more control over the things that make me feel awful!

i need to know now if bill nye has heard of gamergate

THE BOYZZZZZZ ❤️

I would like a revisit on Kanye lol I feel like answers will be slightly different now 😅

you guys are amazing! I love this podcast

Jarvis, I've said this on other videos you have, but I LOVE the Bojack references.

This did not age well

This episode was really quite good

wow this was a really nuanced discussion about people and politics, it's really cool to see thoughts that have strayed through my mind fully articulated like that

I would die of happiness if bdg was on the sad boyz

Sadboyz pod is keeping me going

Have the bell on y’all

this was a great ep boys also that rubiks cube bit at the end was amazing

♥️ i love these podcasts

Jarvis your look is a whole vibe ×2

I'm so glad Jordon said the thing about not being able to deal with and talk to people when they have a certain belief. For a long while I felt this, and I would always call people out on things and be the minority. I thought there was something wrong with my brain where I could just not handle the presence and be friends with someone in spite of their belief in something harmful. Now I embrace that part of me, because it allows me to see myself as someone who is moral and has minimal regrets. But I'm glad someone else said it. And whenever I rewatch this episode and get to around the 50min mark it makes me feel content.

We love these Sad Boyz

this podcast has helped my mental health so much

Hey guys love the pod

We definitely need an update on this!!

I connect with Jordan's statement on devaluing debate as a metaphor for / parallel to 'don't have to tolerate intolerance.' "Kumbaya with the third reich" is about the best I've heard it described. You're entirely correct - we are (and have been) at the point where we shouldn't humor or dignify the extreme and obtuse arguments of far right with "debate," as it's not earnest or good faith in the first place, and even if it were, it's dangerous thinking.

This is why I always say debating doesn't feed the people

Jarvis! This shirt! Man, some of my best memories involve Anamanaguchi. 👍🏾

This was a great episode

You should do an update of this

The intro is continually the same but I hope it never changes.

It's funny how they talk about Kanye when you see how he is now

I think a large driving force of conflict with the gun debate or other fighting arguments from bipartisan conversations, is that the US, as a society, has formed individualist ideals. Jarvis brought up the fact that in Asian communities people wore masks way before COVID, and that’s because they have community-focused ideals, and will sacrifice some small discomfort for the safety of the people around them. In the US, we aren’t taught that kind of self-sacrifice. Instead we are taught to do stuff for ourselves and almost only for ourselves. Therefore people believe that whatever they do or think is right and they will not change for the safety of others around them or in their nation. I don’t think it’s necessarily compartmentalizing, like Jordan said, although that can be part of it. I think it’s that people are so individualistic and so self-driven in a bad way that they choose to keep their guns to sleep with over someone else feeling even just a little bit safer.

When jarvis started rapping🤌

yesss jarvis i love ur shirt!!!

Came here for the banter. Stayed for Jordan’s stache

the begging intro 😭🤚

Good pod boyz 💖

Jarvis is bouncing around during the compliments section like this is a boxing match

I am also in love with BDG and literally unravelled was my hyperfixation for a while there lmao

Sorry to report this from the future, but he has gotten MUCH worse

1:07:59 The whole thing of playing the victim to validate your self-love was something I used to do. Problem is I realized I genuinely do have a problem with self-love (being a trans woman, specifically right now, as my rights are being stripped away, isn’t the best for feeling like I am worthy of love.) but I used to do it before I realized I was trans, saying it was just an act I put on for attention, trying to obscure the fact that it was something I did out of a conflict of self-worth. I know that’s a different experience and all, but I resonated with your words. Also, thank you guys for being so chill and trans-supportive. As you had said, it genuinely sucks that I just have to expect being oppressed. It’s nice to hear people supporting trans people.

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The openness you both have to discuss mental health as black men is so awesome ! So encouraging! Kanye will always Kanye!

he mentioned bdg and i just . stopped everything i was doing like oh my god i wasnt expecting bdg hype up session but im always down for a bdg hype up session

superb episode

slick with the rubik's cube damn

OMG I love Anamanaguchi! Great shirt

yall give kanye way too much benefit of the doubt. hes filthy rich with power and influence and promotes bigoted ideas. what is telling us hes some good person being manilulated by bad philosophies and that hes not just... bad himself