The Science of Becoming A Twitch Star (w/ Frogan) 

thanks to rising star n̶o̶m̶i̶n̶e̶e̶ winner frogan for giving these small youtubers a chance

It's so fascinating how a person of color, or woman with a hijab, can't simply just be a talented, intelligent person if they're successful.... they have to be a "diversity pick"....

I haven’t heard of Frogan before this, but she seems very fun and this makes me want to watch her streams.

I'm impressed with the amount of precaution Jarvis is seemingly still taking with COVID. as the parent of a medically fragile child I'm lowkey always worried about finding out my favorite influencers' stance on COVID lol

My boyfriend who shares a name with a certain middle eastern terrorist leader who smashed a couple planes in New York. He used to have to travel for work and had been "randomly selected" so many times by TSA. I'm a white girl who has a basic white name and have traveled so much, and never been randomly selected. Yeah it's not a coincidence.

frogan’s whole look is so on point honestly i love it

it was really cathartic to hear Jarvis speak about the psychological trauma of the normalization of COVID. i definitely feel like i'm losing my mind as a high-risk person living in a precautions-free NYC. i desperately wish i could ignore the ever-present threat of COVID by going out into the world and trying to live my life, and it hurts to see people living my dream. the risk + the damage from my COVID infection made me have to put my Master's degree on hold :/ tbh the escapism that's keeping me sane is watching Twitch streams. lowkey hearing you all speak about a need for more leftist creators with diverse sets of expertise makes me want to be creative again

24:53 Jordan sitting with legs ~almost~ crossed with arms crossed. As a biseggul who sits like that often, I can confirm that that is the most bi-style sitting position presented in this video. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk.

As someone who worked in a covid ICU for 2 years, it's so validating and encouraging to hear y'all talk about still taking covid seriously. I watched well over 100 people die slowly from covid in just the first year. I get so frustrated when people pretend like it's not a big deal anymore. People are still dying of covid. It's just not as many so people don't care as much.

Frogan on sadboyz?!? This is a crossover I didn't think would happen but I am so excited for it 🥳❤️

Loving this Sad Boyz w/ special guests era! The vibe of this video was immaculate. Hope to see Frogan on again in the future!

The failure of STEM fields to be sufficiently well-rounded (especially wrt ethics and communication) is one of my favorite topics as someone who studied engineering. Like Jarvis said, the topics are ultimately not always that complicated! But gatekeeping makes people feel important. Really enjoyed that discussion!

29:00 A massive part of the problem is that our society devalues the humanities (which includes communication). I am a Studio Art major, but initially, I was a Mechanical Engineering major, and the difference between the two groups is astounding. Most, if not all, of the art majors I've met at least appreciate and understand the importance of STEM. However, most of the STEM majors I've met look down on the humanities despite lacking even basic knowledge about those disciplines. There are specific humanity courses for STEM majors that are easier than the regular version of the class. I was one of the only engineers I met with any amount of communication skills and one of the only engineers with experience writing research papers. I've been told to my face that STEAM (science, tech, engineering, art, and math) is stupid because humanity majors "don't deserve to walk the same stage for graduation" because we don't work as hard nor "value" STEM enough (or more accurately we don't worship STEM enough). We are also constantly told that our major is "easy" despite requiring more in-class time per credit than any other major. Studio courses are 8 hours a week of class minimum plus at least 20 hours a week outside of class, and they are worth 4 credits max. Most other majors and all STEM majors get one credit per hour. I'm getting 1/2 a credit per hour. As someone who has done both, I have to work way harder to do well as an art major than I did as a mechanical engineering major. It's not even close. No one wants to live in a world without art, but no one wants to value those who make that art.

The idea that Jarvis is a "diversity pick" is willldddd. White commentary channels who came up around the same time have 4M, 6M followers. I honestly think Jarvis was, and still is, putting out better content than some of them. Even if he did receive opportunities to fill a diversity quota, he wouldn't even be on anyone's radar without high quality content and a (still huge) following.

Frogans fits are always fire

It's fun to be back in the collab era

God it is such an incredible breath of fresh air to see people that actually take covid precautions seriously. Especially being in healthcare its so depressing how many of my coworkers are anti-mask and broadly anti-science.

Jarvis saying Pete Wentz is black sent me into a 20 minute rabbit hole. I’m shocked

Also, yes to Frogan's astute summary that science loves to abuse the underlings. If you aren't the highest paid in the dept, you better be suffering. Had a PI tell my PhD candidate husband that he needed to choose marriage or PhD because he'd been married 7 times. Needless to say, we both chose new career paths.

is nobody gonna mentioned how BUILT jarvis is?!?!?! like DAMN

Never would’ve expected y’all to invite Frogan on. She best.

Women's real physical symptoms are very commonly dismissed as mental health concerns. Even women without previous diagnoses, but especially so and very badly with any mental health history in their chart or disclosed in intake.

never seen her before but I’m immediately following. her outfit alone got me, LOVE the colours!

She's so nice, she got rising star twice!

I absolutely relate to people saying "you don't need to wear that" when wearing a mask in public. But I live in ND so we passed that stage months ago. Now no one wears a mask unless for personal health reasons. Even local clinics and hospitals aren't requiring them anymore for patients unless you have symptoms of COVID.

I wish I knew about this podcast when this episode came out! In regards to what Frogan was talking about around 28:00 with breaking scientific information down to a more accessible level, I once assisted a local research facility with simplifying an article for younger children (9-11) since I was around high school or middle school age at the time. They wanted to find a way to convey new science news for kids, and straight up the person I was working with said scientists tend to work on these things for so long they don’t realize how complex it can be. Was super interesting and eye-opening with just how long we spent editing.

Knowledge translation/mobilization is such a challenging and valuable skill! Like being able to interpret information and then relay it in an accessible way is so vital

That yellow blanket always reminds me of instant ramen so now I get hungry and make ramen every time I watch Sad Boyz. Also great content, great episode, Frogan is awesome.

You're both right about Folie.

I have to disagree a bit because I do think there are some good communicators on the left but a lot come from marginalized places so they are almost immediately discredited or not taken seriously. Tone policing, misogyny, misogynoir, transphobia, ableism, etc. I wouldn’t posit that a lack of perceived presence is from lack of trying or a dearth of skill. Like, there is a reason cishet men, mostly white ones, dominate this space and it’s not necessarily because they are the best at communicating. Especially if they are ‘bro coded’ or ‘controversial’. A lot of people are considered controversial just because they exist even though they give accesible, nuanced, well-researched information with data to back it up.

WAS LITERALLY JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO WATCH!! HYPED ASF !!

Parasociality is a good thing when the person with the power (in this case the youtuber) makes sure the boundary is clear, tbh. It's healthy when both parties understand the relationship status and how it works. Parasociality seems to hurt people most when the creator acts like all their fans are their best friends, and I don't want to name names, but it's often the ones who end up with obsessive/indoctrinated fans. It's fine to consider your fanbase a fanbase, and to remind them that the friendship they perceive is only one way, because most people are aware of and fine with that. Like, you guys are MY best friends, but I know very well that I am not YOUR best friend. If that makes sense haha! Also this made me think of a funny modern situation where your facebook relationship status can be set to Parasocial hahaha

Sad boys should go real literal with the merch, like boxes of tissues and handkerchiefs.

My favourite content creator, Jarvis "Definitely Not a Fed" Johnson: "So... What was your first experience in committing murder?"

As someone who still loves Dan and Phil, I like knowing Frogan was a phannie. Didn’t know that about her.

i had an absolutely shit doctor's appointment earlier today, so you have no idea how relieved and happy i am to see a new sad boyz episode

FROGAN CROSSOVER???????? BASED HOLY FUCK

1:02:48 Who is this for? It's for me Jarvis. Huge FOB fan. Folie is the best album (Cork tree is close) and Mania is tolerable.

I’m not on Twitch but she’s super rad, and thankful for this introduction to her and her content ✨

Don't feel too bad Jordan, I am also 28. And I appreciate the TSA slander...

I feel so validated with Jarvis and Frogan's stance on Mania

FOLIE IS THE BEST FOB ALBUM AS A VERY EMO PERSON THIS WHOLE CONVO IS SO GREAT OMG !!! Thank you for acknowledging the Brendon Urie allegations btw a lot of people pretend like he’s not a bad human being. Also MANIA is good sorry not sorry

I work in communications and it’s challenging to use plain language initially. I’ve really grown to admire plain language comms and they can be so much more powerful.

NO WAY FROGAN IS ON SAD BOYZ

wearing a mask actually made me feel more confident outside, despite no longer being required I still wear one because it makes me feel good about myself.

absolute banger episode boyz+frogan!! it’s refreshing to hear educated and nuanced takes on some of the more serious topics but also love hearing y’all talk about pop punk as well. very much felt like listening to a conversation between friends :)

Jarvis's place is so nice

Step one: uterus Step two: boba tea

The whole bit talking about pop punk/ emo scene gave me life man. Love it Listen to pup! Pup bangs

jarvis is so real about doing exposure therapy with mania GDKXHFJ i also did that but the unfortunate outcome is that i listened to the whole album so often that its now associated with parts of my life i want to remember so now i actually like a couple songs on the album...

I love the conversation btwn Jarvis and Frogan’s conversation abt Fall Out Boy. Fucking love them so much and I agree that Folie is the best album. Mania has some good songs on it, but overall the album really was a huge departure from what we’ve come to expect from their style.

My first job as a customer service person in a library helped me TREMENDOUSLY get every other job I've ever had. I'm 100% sure my communication and social skills got me my current job, not my stem degree.

I love frogan!! She's super funny. Rental cars are the way to go. I always get a rental. Always. It's nice having the freedom of getting around on vacation.

As a 21 year-old girl getting my MPH starting in the fall, I am so inspired by her!!!! Can’t wait to watch her streams:):)

this actually might be one of my fave episodes now! loved it

frogan is our Rising Star 🌟

Honestly yeah on Folie a deux. It really grew on me originally (actually written a review on it in my school's newspaper ripping on the album) but I think its still the one I can fully listen to without skipping song

I wholeheartedly recommend Rm Brown for people looking for leftist creators of different flavours, he's quickly become a favourite of mine. His content definitely teaches you a lot but through being very fun and silly and treating right wing pundits with the amount of seriousness they deserve to be treated with which is none. It's basically a reaction channel to conservative crap but in a way that both teaches me something and doesn't leave me feeling like crap after watching too much of it because it's so shitposty even if he brings out study data and absolutely tears apart shitty talking points at the same time. He also has an incredible soundboard. Idk I think it's very accessible and digestible and sort of a breath of fresh air among leftist creators that is sorely needed.

FROGAN ON SAD BOYZ the stars have aligned today🙏

13:19 “get out of here, you went to film school” burn 😂😂 He asked her if science was easy and she said “to me, it kinda is”! LOVE HERRR ✨✨🧚‍♀️🧚‍♀️💖💖

i love foran im so happy right now

Best episode yet i think

Topics of convo seem so random but I am always captivated! Idk how you all balance intelligence, experience, and relatability, but it's awesome (and kind of not fair).

i’m with frogan here with my mom being my introduction to my music taste. Just last year my mom and i went to an evanescence concert :)

I could watch another few hours of these three talking 🥰 sometimes the dynamic just hits

Communicating at the same level is so important, especially whats natural for you I had to communicate with my ex on a second grade level and it drove me nuts that I had to explain even simple words and concepts to him My current partner is on the same level as me (if not a bit higher) and it's so refreshing to be able to keepat my own pace or even pick it up a little instead of grinding things to a hault

1:01:02 sooooo correct!! I also love their Greatest Hits for the single reason: it features an exclusive song "From Now on We Are Enemies" which is one of the best songs ever

I feel like only the bigger university cities took covid seriously. Because I worked at a university during the beginning and height of the pandemic and it was dead there was no one out and everyone wore mask. But the moment restrictions let up people gave in quickly because it is already hard to breath in Flordia at the time due to the heavy humidity so when we could mask were off but indoors I found people were more willing to wear mask especially in public transport

this episode really hit on all my niche interests, thanks y’all

31:36 This conversation is exactly why I could not continue in academia after undergrad. The hypocrisy was soul crushing

My first experience with piracy was when I was like 8, and it was Danny phantom on Dailymotion

I’VE NEVER HAD ANYONE ELSE SAY THEY LIKE OR HAVE EVEN HEARD OF THE CAB!! I WAS A HUGE FAN

Got so excited to hear Jarvis talk about The Cab! I loved The Cab my freshman year

I love her laugh, I have to go follow🥰

I had a Rockband game for my NIntendo DS and it had Thnks Fr Th Mmrs, SK8R Boi, Ocean Avenue, Check Yes Juliet, and some other classic pop punk songs when I was lie 10 years old and I was obssessed with all those songs, it introduced me to pop punk and I was hooked! My favoright in HS was also All Time Low, they currently hold the record for band I've seen the most in person but 😬 One of my faves that you guys didn't mention but may like is State Champs! Their albums Around the World and Back and Living Proof got me through a semester of college lol

this podcast is so good

florida man here to say 100%, ive been one of about like a good 3 percent of ppl to consistently mask anywhere in the last solid year and a half. gonna start telling people it's bc I have bad breath, thanks

BEARINGS IS A MASSIVE W i love u frogan

51:51 Coldplay and Beyonce performed at the superbowl because Chris Martin (the lead singer of Coldplay) and Beyonce are really good friends that go back like 20 years!

I actually really love Mania it's one of my comfort albums I am so excited for the new album Also Motion City Soundtrack is still performing? That's so exciting

Yes! Love hearing Fall Out Boy appreciation on Sad Boyz! I know Jarvis liked the first single from the new album coming out but I wonder what he thinks about the second one?

i remember in the first few months of lockdown, my dad had gotten really sick and was experiencing symptoms. he went to the ER but the doctors refused to test him and sent him home with nothing. while i understand that the doctors and nurses didn't understand it at that time, it was terrifying and aggravating. because during one night after the ER, my dad stopped breathing and fell off the bed in his sleep. it was so scary and infuriating to think back on how doctors failed him and refused to diagnose/treat him.

Omg her outfit is adorable… something about this girl is so sparkly and cute, what a good guest

omg they're so right about folie being the best fob album. all bangers, no skips whatsoever

yoooooooooo the crossover I didn't know I wanted lets gooooooooooooooooooooo

From Under The Cork Tree is my favourite 💙

favourite/favorite episode so far! she just got a new follower on tweeech

was jarvis in japan when i was there? mind blowing o:

only just got around to watching this and, like jarvis, LOVED that when we were young lineup...... that's like the ultimate tony hawk proskater soundtrack (saves the day does a cover of 'sonic reducer' in american wasteland that slaps)

I am brought to actual tears literally any time Jordan does a Jordan Peterson impression 😭

Love Frogan and her beautiful laugh! Jordan gave the perfect description of the movie What Women Want!

Been a fan of Jarvis for years and this is the first full episode of sadBoyz I’ve seen. Awesome production quality! Also, being black in tech and listening to the same music is so eerily relatable.😅 #parasocial lol

Shoutout to that The Cab mention. One of those nights is a banger still

Mel loses the powers at the end of the movie. He's trying to save the sui-idal co-worker and I think he gets struck by lightning. Haven't seen it in years but that's my recollection.

Okay now I’m in love with fr0gan she seems so nice

Well she's just lovely.

Never expected Frogan to appear here

someone needs to create a compilation of Jordan’s Jordan Peterson impressions

no lie i paused the podcast to go listen to young and menace again, that one was actually pretty dope

Frogan has an awesome laugh