This information is criminally underknown. People such as even myself did not understand the relative velocity crippling weakness from radar... Eye opening really. Thank you for all the detailed data and your efforts!!
I tried stock 2022 corolla and more than one time, the car's adapted cruise control fails to detect stop car ahead. Your test confirmed my observation. Thanks for the video.
I have another question that maybe you'll know the answer too. If you drive with the standard TSS 2.0 you'll notice your MPG is terrible compared to normal eco friendly driving. With my test, were talking 5-6 MPG difference on a relatively straight 400 miles california road (Bay Area to SoCal {Highway 5}). Has anyone attempted to make an eco friendly driving ad? You know typical hypermiling technique, slowing down slightly when coming to a small hill, and letting your speed build up on the down hill, and coasting to stop. Stuff like that? Especially with today's gas prices and the miles I put on my vehicle this would be of great interest to me. I'm looking at right under 50k in my 2019 hatchback.
It would be nice. Current OpenPilot isn’t much better with fuel economy. But theoretically an end to end model trained to maximize fuel economy might be possible in the future. Probably far away in the future though!
@@LoganLeGrand How would somebody such as my self start the development of such a project... Could I use existing code? Without pissing off everybody else? I'm probably biting off way more than I can chew, but I was just curious if you had any links to understanding the fundamental developments that would be needed to start coding for open.ai... from what I understand quite a few people are coding different versions with experimental features, it kind of seems similar to XDA at the beginning of Android... Probably way more complicated, but it's worth asking.
I think so. But for OpenPilot a vision only solution is a more consistent approach and will expand compatibility. For companies like Tesla I see no reason to remove radar when they can control exactly how they use it.
@@LoganLeGrand radar data is almost pure noise. it only outputs a few points its sure of. noise = bad. thats why. vision is better, so in the end vision would always overwrite radar anyway.
@:Logan LaGrand, The video that you have used at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-g8L41rMUtCo.html 1:42, is a video of a tesla with computer vision failing to see a white truck due to glare on their camera systems. I`ve seen this video in a case that says that CV is not enough and a CV system with Lidar or Radar would have been superior in this particular case. That crash is from korea and the truck had a white roof. Tesla failed to see it because of the sun reflecting from the white truck was causing a glare in the camera. You`re using this video to say that CV is needed over radar.
A human would see it even with glare on camera. Better ADAS cameras are available today than what Tesla is using (comma 3 cameras) they reduce glare and have better dynamic range. I don’t think a giant truck in the road is a problem with CV it’s just a Tesla problem.
I'm confused about what you were saying in the conclusions section. In a 2021 Hyundai Palisade with openpilot enabled, would the stock ACC be used and not properly allow you to smoothly stop when a stationary vehicle is in front of you?
Since Palisade uses the stock system, check the owners manual to see what the limitations are. Toyota says it will not stock for “vehicles not moving in the same lane.” If Hyundai say something similar then that’s something to pay attention to. Their system might be better than Toyota’s. I personally haven’t driven one. But for stopped vehicles it’s going to rely on the forward camera and not radar. Radar is not capable of seeing stationary objects.
@@LoganLeGrand I just looked at the owner's manual and it says "The Smart Cruise Control system cannot recognize a stopped vehicle, pedestrians or an oncoming vehicle. " If you were to disable Smart Cruise Control in the menu and use traditional (non-smart) cruise control, would openpilot be able to take over? Or can openpilot not override this?
Much more terrifying are the people driving around with no radar safety systems at all while staring only at their phone. I'd much rather have radar with its limitations than some idiot with no radar and a totally oblivious driver...
Maybe a standard Model 3 next year (IF availability improves), but for now my late 2017 Prius with TSS-P will be gaining a Comma 3 in the next month or so :-).
Great video. I've still yet to buy the comma.two... I have this tech mindset that'll just wait for the new version... have you heard anything about new hardware. Is it still worth the 1099 plus 200 for the harness? Ideally i'd love to just run this on one of my old pixels, buy 400 bucks worth of harness and some adapters of ODB and call it a day.
Hard to say! Definitely worth the cost IMO, I think this technology is much more software limited than hardware. With free updates you get to see improvements all the time in how it performs. Hardware definitely isn’t the limiting factor so far.
@@LoganLeGrand that's very good too know. If I remember right it was using the Snapdragon 821 or something like that and at this point I wasn't sure if that hardware was beginning to age causing overheating issues or anything of the sort... Living in a super hot climate it's always been a big concern of mine. Thanks for the info.
I already have a Honda that uses radar with openpilot it leaves much to be desired as far as braking does the vision model on the corolla fix the problem of approaching stopped cars at high speeds and the system not responding at all? Or is it still a bit unreliable?
What determines some cars supporting open pilot for ACC while others only stock? And how might I contribute to getting OP support on a non supported car? Is it manufacturer setting that needs reverse engineering?
Yeah it’s all how the manufacturers hardware is designed and how it communicates to determine its comparability. The discord is best place to ask about supporting non supported vehicles.
Yup, agree with you. But its all depend on how they configure the system. I believe in some Honda cars, they stop reading from radar and the camera when its raining/fog and disable the system (not with OpenPilot). With OpenPilot, it can still read them and fine-tuning the data for much better experience (not Honda though since all Honda with OpenPilot still uses stock ACC).
