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Isiah Thomas has already made it clear that he thinks Los Angeles Lakers F LeBron James will go down as the GOAT by the time he retires. Yesterday Thomas tweeted one of the reasons why, saying that LeBron quote, “will be the all-time leader in points scored in the NBA and he has never been viewed as a score first player.” Michael Jordan is universally recognized as the greatest NBA player of all-time prompting Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe to have a classic GOAT debate.
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@UndisputedOnFS1 Год назад

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@sayaad-mol5sat Год назад

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@sayaad-mol5sat Год назад

@johnny6610 Год назад

Zeke continues throwing stones at MJ, this is a real rivalry folks.

@futuretrunks4669 Год назад

Goat bronze medalist,Lebronze 🥉🥉🤣🤣

@mikesoles1970 Год назад

@nickkorea5850 Год назад

Longevity is always a knock on LeBron while Brady is praised for it. Complete double standard. Not LeBron's fault Jordan retired twice or that Bron was good enough right out of high school

@AnonymousRandomGuy006 Год назад

Good points

@didjen181 Год назад

come on you know that not the same. lebron got a losing record in the finals unlike brady. and lebron hasn't surpassed jordan in rings while brady surpassed montana in rings. stop being dumb

@afambasil753 Год назад

Longevity with less achievements. Try again

@IlmaliklI Год назад

@@afambasil753 replace the jazz or another team like that with the kd warriors and Jordan woulda retired a third time lol

@C2Poke Год назад

@@afambasil753 - Actually Lebron has more achievements. Jordan sycophants just disregard every achievement that Jordan wasn't the best at.

@justmeuncty Год назад

Skip forgets the all time scoring record is a longevity award within itself. Kareem played 20 seasons himself.

@myronpearson9427 Год назад

Exactly

@FreezeIzGawd0517 Год назад

That’s just a DUMB topic Of course it’s a longevity award It’s 38,000 point. There are only 82 games in a season So unless you score 4000 points a game IT LITERALLY WILL TAKE YEARS

@michaeltorres3543 Год назад

And Kareem got it the way Skip talks about LeBron getting it where he makes it seem like lebron fell off and is scoring 10ppg trying to get the record

@RockyHoward Год назад

@@michaeltorres3543 Kareem didn’t “fall off”, he was fricking 41! Let’s see Lebron at 41 first.

@venusspacey9685 Год назад

Skip don't understand LeBron make it look easy finishing at the rim. It's not athletism that's putting the ball threw the net.

@Thatwhiteblackkid Год назад

It’s crazy to know that people think it’s easy to average 27ppg in the NBA over the course of 19 seasons.

@robbier3785 Год назад

I mean in an era where defense has become non existent, it’s not hard to imagine a great player like Lebron average that much

@s.s7337 Год назад

Scoring is by far the best thing Lebron does.

@GentlemensInsanity Год назад

@@robbier3785 lebron played half his career in the 00’s they didn’t play defense then either?

@i_chosen_one_ips432 Год назад

@@GentlemensInsanity no because they removed hand checking and sent players the the free throw a lot like they do today

@rajohnbarnes4168 Год назад

@@i_chosen_one_ips432 lebron came into the league where they were still playing tough defense

@michaelepps7838 Год назад

Pretty sure I have heard Skip on many occasions saying that LeBron was a pass 1st player and criticized Bron for not being a score 1st player 🤨

@danielshropshire3443 Год назад

Fact’s!

@kisuryouri334 Год назад

this old man so delusional literally obsessed with LeBron

@DanceswithHyenas Год назад

I read no lies. He actually criticises Lebron for making the right play and not "shooting" the ball.

@timhardy5031 Год назад

He said when the is on the line

@sammyhonerd677 Год назад

Yeah in clutch moments.

@Saitam79 Год назад

Isaiah still mad at MJ for that 92' Dream Team snub 😂

@siriusblack4591 Год назад

funny thing is it wasn’t just because of MJ, pretty much half the players on the dream team didn’t like Isiah or had some type of beef with him. That’s the main reason why he was left off

@juwantaylor5293 Год назад

Facts 😆

@juwantaylor5293 Год назад

@@siriusblack4591 but mj is better than lebron clearly come on now

@TeflonBTM Год назад

📠

@BG-mn6di Год назад

shiddd I would be too.

@SS.Hollywood Год назад

“Isaiah had two plates!!!!! Magic was at the buffet”😂😂😂 I love Shannon

@adrianb2851 Год назад

We needed a guy like Shannon he always reminds the old heads the stuff they don’t mention when Jordan gets brought up.

@maccrew612 Год назад

Shannon ate on Hater in this one. I will concede that Zeke has bias though, but it is still conceivable that his opinion is valid.

@adrianb2851 Год назад

@@maccrew612 agreed

@afambasil753 Год назад

MJ still holds a better record than all of them in the finals. And yeah they had the better team than Michael y'all know the story when he finally understood bball was a team game... you saw the numbers.

@iamkingbeats Год назад

It must’ve been like the last supper on lebron watch then. Everybody ate more. That same argument works against lebron as well.

@rahsheedashley1817 Год назад

I don't even know why people still expect him to have a good argument he's been a troll for years what makes y'all think he's ever gonna stop trolling?

@Flowerz__ Год назад

Yeah his arguments remind me of how trump talks

@warrenbrooks7053 Год назад

@@Flowerz__ check your gas prices and all other prices and look at the condition of the world and then repent

@doctorshutup9817 Год назад

Jordan being better is just a fact you casual.

@blackscreen1810 Год назад

Everything he says in the video is true. Have you ever heard anyone say Lebron isn’t a good scorer? Even Skip has never said that. It is a longevity award obviously. You can’t make the Brady comparison because no one looks at Bradys totals stats as the reason he’s the goat they look at his rings. MJ is obviously a better scorer than Lebron. Just like Lebron is a better passer than MJ.

@TheOnlyBallout Год назад

@@Mainesthought that’s comical to say

@d-boent.8577 Год назад

The fact that Michael was able to keep Isaiah off the Dream Team shows how much control he had….he took food off that man plate

@bfns2353 Год назад

Skip knows for a fact if KD keeps playing how he is today up until he's 38 that'll be impressive asf and he'll call KD the baby goat behind MJ but he somehow holds it against Bron for sustaining greatness for 19 years straight.

@TheEvard14 Год назад

They all great af

@sohnhazel2409 Год назад

Yah yah yah, let it go- MJ is & always will be the G.O.A.T. wthout question...wth LBJ on the othr hand u gotta question almost evryrhing, but MJ is a sure thing HANDS DWN!! & im not an MJ fan. 4r

@2robjenkins Год назад

It’s the only narrative he can create at this point, other than his finals record.

@T.H.U.G Год назад

Truth

@Augrills Год назад

You know, I know, and Skip knows that KD will never be the goat. He could win the next four years in BKYN and he wouldn’t catch 23. He’d be better than Bron, though

@fadya.3660 Год назад

This feels like the same tired conversation of MJ vs Lebron, throwing in the same tired conversation of IT versus MJ in there as well.

@Eric-qv2rz Год назад

Of course. You have Aaron Judge on the verge of being the Real hone run king and you still talkinf this tired debatel!!

@theonewhoknocks8680 Год назад

Maybe bc nobody cares about baseball ? Lol

@fadya.3660 Год назад

@@Eric-qv2rz well we all know baseball gets terrible ratings lol focusing on more current events in NBA free agency or the nfl season starting would make more sense. I feel for you on baseball but it’s be a waste of TV time because ratings show people don’t care about baseball, relatively speaking.

@Hot33333333 Год назад

@@Eric-qv2rz who tf watching baseball bro 😂😂😂😂😂

@christiano2349 Год назад

The biggest misconception is that Lebron is pass first LOL

@fadelesstrain3770 Год назад

Exactly he career fga is 19.8 more than Kobe who’s considered a ball hog lol

@xenesa8114 Год назад

@@fadelesstrain3770 Thats primarily because of Kobe's younger years where he was a bench player.

@purerage7812 Год назад

@@xenesa8114 they always put numbers with no context. LeBron has also been better for a longer period of time so his averages will be higher

@fuckallthat6090 Год назад

@@fadelesstrain3770 More FGA per game than KD too but dont let the bron nuthuggers hear that

@SweetNWater Год назад

@@fadelesstrain3770 wrong, pass first means he looks to get his team mates involved first, if it’s not there then he’ll take it, that wasn’t Jordan or Kobe

@raheimjones2217 Год назад

I spit out my drink when Skip said Lebron was a “shoot 1st” guy 😂almost sounded like Pierce calling Steph a “Wing guy” 😂😂

@syzorst Год назад

Well Lebron is a good passer but he's more of a scorer. Steph is a PG but plays like a SG so it's understandable why Steph is called a wing.

@raheimjones2217 Год назад

@@syzorst and if It’s clouds in the sky Issa chance for rain 😂 stop it please don’t continue with this argument

@bbginc694 Год назад

Lebron is a scorer, you cant average 27 ppg and not be a score first player.

@raheimjones2217 Год назад

@@bbginc694 I feel like you argue with yo eyes close Lebron is NOT a score 1st player Lebron is Lebron he can do EVERYTHING at a high level

@zachmccabe7510 Год назад

I don't understand how people say " well LeBron played more seasons!" That's not an argument to me. That actually MORE IMPRESSIVE LMAO.

@206legend3 Год назад

If u knew why Jordan stopped playing you’d understand..

@angelaquino6755 Год назад

How is that more impressive? Imagine being an actor, or any other type of artist or athlete. If I had a 10 year career and won 5 oscars, and you had a 15 year career and only won 3. What’s more impressive? If you were an actor for 5 years longer and still won less Oscars that I did. That’s the exact case with Bron and MJ. Bron has played 5 more seasons, yet still have 2 less rings, 2 less FMVPs, 1 less MVP, 1 less DPOY, 9 less scoring titles, 3 less steal titles, the list goes on… of course, longevity matters and a player should be praised for it, but it isn’t the only thing. What good is your longevity if you still achieved less? Just saying.

@youngskyler7568 Год назад

Jordan accomplish more in less years

@manuelrodriguez9972 Год назад

@@206legend3 Excuses. I’m 43 yrs old and I know. Jordan shortened his own career, and I’m mad because I’m Bulls fan and I wanted to enjoy him more something that LeBron has given us. He never loved the game, he loved himself.

@fcarter3863 Год назад

So Vince Carter is better than Larry Bird? Vince has more points and played more seasons

@Mister.Patterson Год назад

The fact that Kareem scored 38,000+ points with only one made 3 pointer in his career his INCREDIBLE in its own right. Crazy to think LeBron of all ppl will pass him.

@grimhunter2223 Год назад

That's one of the reasons why Kareem is the GOAT.

@chrisbonfigkio3892 Год назад

That sky hook was nasty.

@Mister.Patterson Год назад

@@grimhunter2223 I don’t know why he isn’t brought up more in that convo. He was pretty much regarded as that until MJ became MJ

@nate8604 Год назад

Karl Malone, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and LeBron James, have three scoring titles combined in their careers, and they’re the top three scorers ever…..wild to think.

@ASalahSamak Год назад

Kareem is the greatest winner of ALL TIME so it's not uncommon for him to get much without scoring 3s. 5 greats are on a complete different dimension that only belongs to them entirely. MJ , LBJ, Wilt, late Bill Russell and Kareem

@zedon8769 Год назад

I have been saying that for years if LeBron was only interested in scoring he would of eclipse that scoring tile longtime ago .

@GBULL1982 Год назад

Right

@rafa328 Год назад

Facts and a half

@thejinx8413 Год назад

If mj also interested in stat pads like lebron.. he will have many triple double like other greats so? And if mj interested in breaking alltime stats he will never retired twice 🤷‍♀️

@nicstone3141 Год назад

@@thejinx8413 Stat padding you mean like when MJ came back and was counting points for 2 yrs to make sure his career avg stayed at 30 and if lebron was really stat padding he could have averaged a trip dub for his career now say I'm lying 27 7 and 7 so plus 3 more in ast and boards would have been nothing to get if he forced the issue and he retired twice why he said himself he was burned out

@abdeenabdul7803 Год назад

That's cap

@phenom5075 Год назад

Isiah did say mike was the goat numerous times especially when he used to commentate during those nba nbc games in the 90s

@munoken Год назад

Yeah he's an idiot

@tylerhingleton8493 Год назад

He just saying what the media heads wanted to hear. He always had Kareem as number 1 for the longest.

@KayBeen Год назад

Lebron didn't play in the 90s

@phenom5075 Год назад

@@KayBeen ugh its 2022 the general consensus is still michael jordan is the greatest of all time.

@KayBeen Год назад

@@phenom5075 you have a point. But if anyone mostly older players say LeBron is better there is backlash or that person has an agenda against Jordan.

@TP-sf5mk Год назад

For someone who loves MJ so much, Skip has such tired and limited arguments regarding him. Doesn't even counter that the Pistons were not old.

@dnice4145 Год назад

IKR, skip is terrible at debating. I think he's just too old at this point to think quickly on his feet to respond to Shannon's bs. So he resorts to reciting the same facts.

@dxjx23 Год назад

That's because the debate has been over after a while it gets pretty annoying his face so annoyance what are you guys even talking about😂🤷‍♂️🤦

@willdiesel8431 Год назад

Same with LeShannon and LBJ.

@jordanhutton5787 Год назад

And the Pistons were back to back champs when the Bulls finally swept them

@dxjx23 Год назад

@@jordanhutton5787 yes Jordan lost he also lost against the Magic when he came back from playing baseball but once he got to the finals he never lost two three peats. There's only been one other three peat and that one was Kobe with Shaq so what are you guys talking about again a whole bunch of craziness that's what you're talking about. No one cares about playoffs lost or appearances unless your trying to be called the goat

@Soulpandakitchen Год назад

Okay a longevity stat is averaging 15-20 pts for 20 plus years. LeBron has averaged nearly a triple double his entire career and over 27 ppg consistently. That’s not longevity that’s greatness. People keep knocking lebron for his “longevity” but they praise Kobe (RIP) for being a great scorer and lebron has 3000 more points than him in less seasons. Lebron is also the fastest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 pts. And that was over 10 years ago when he was in Miami.

@bwilliams3904 Год назад

Broke that down beautifully bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Columbiawarriorsbasketball Год назад

He also had an advantage of playing at 17. Had less injuries than Kobe. Played more games than Kobe. Does he have all time leading ppg?

@suntansuperman26 Год назад

LeBron wasn’t the fastest Wilt was the fastest, he was the youngest

@uncleb3545 Год назад

@@Columbiawarriorsbasketball they both came in the same age. His fault Kobe got hurt. Yet he averages more than Kobe.

@trainpushingtutorials2822 Год назад

@@Columbiawarriorsbasketball Bro u realise u saying he came at such a young age is making lebron's case even more significant? and wasnt he still in school at 17

@selfiekroos1777 Год назад

Magic had 5 chips and 9 finals in 11 seasons

@slammin04sammy Год назад

im gonna make a bet with myself before continuing the video. skip will say its blasphemy, and IT only said this because he doesnt like Jordan and is jealous of him and still holds a grudge for being snubbed on the dream team.

@rodneynrivers Год назад

Well skip is right

@Sports-media180 Год назад

After Jordan won the first ring IT Never had a sniff at the ring again. Let’s be honest was Kareem ever a GOAT while he had that scoring record. NO HE WASNT. So what makes u think james will.

@dlxinfinite801 Год назад

Indeed. Zeke sounds like the girl who wasnt picked. 30+ years ago.

@increasekru5123 Год назад

The Isiah hat for Jordan is unbelievable, he knows MJ is the GOAT

@Raul7663 Год назад

“Magic was at the buffet” 💀

@donaldmilton49 Год назад

"Jordan had no competition"

@thetruth-gy2lc Год назад

Jordan wasn’t even in the league til 84-85 (Magic won 3 by then ) lol Magic had a Big Mac meal at McDonald’s is more like it 😭

@kingnegus5000 Год назад

@@donaldmilton49 forreal that's how good he was. Made it look like he had no competition

@LuisCarlos-zs3dv Год назад

I'm a 42 years Brazilian. I started to watch NBA right before the 92 Olympics. So, I saw all MJ career high and all Lebron's carreer. Having said that, every time I see Lebron in the court in a playoff game I think to myself: his team can beat any opponent just because Lebron. But, when I used to see MJ in a playoff game I used to think: no one can beat his team. So, for me, no matter numbers: MJ is the GOAT.

@dillonblase Год назад

Except they did beat his team from the time he was drafted up until 1991 when he reached his first finals 😂😂. If he was such a good “leader” or teammate he would’ve brought his team to the finals at least once in 7 years right? But he failed time and time again. He could only make it to the finals when he had pippen and that’s FACTS. Without pippen he doesn’t win any rings.

@teehee6492 Год назад

Okay fair, but that is also because mike had Dennis Rodman leading the league in rebounds, Scottie pippin, and one of the best coaches of all time. Just because the team is unbeatable doesn’t necessarily mean it has the greatest singular player on it

@LuisCarlos-zs3dv Год назад

@@dillonblase Like I said, I begun to watch NBA in 1991. And, that time I use to think exactly that about Jordan.

@kelahamutenya3217 Год назад

@@LuisCarlos-zs3dv the competition in the NBA from 2000 onwards was trancendent you cant compare. There was no competition for MJ, Scottie and Phil. if you compare just even the 90's foreign talent alone you are talking Olajuwon and thats it. The franchises were terribly run and the league in the 90's was just not as competitive and dont tell me about hard fouls im talking IQ. LBJ for me has played in the most talented era of the NBA at all levels not just on the court. Being dominant when your opponents are clearly weak is not as impressive than when you defeat some of the best teams in NBA history Namely GSW 2016 the Spurs 2013. I get the solidarity to nostalgia but im in my 40's and the kids from 2000 led by Kobe and co changed the game it was no longer a league just selling sneakers it actually became a true spectacle sport not brawling, just balling.

@wealthdiscoveries2641 Год назад

@@teehee6492 Jordan’s shot won that team their 6th ring, literally! Pip and Rod combined for 15 points in that deciding game of the 98 finals game 6. Jordan had 47 points

@waldolibby4391 Год назад

Only thing I disagree with Shannon is when he says nobody is as good as Lebron in year 17, 18 and 19. Kareem and Michael played 3 years of college so they were both 3 years older than Lebron in those years! If you want to compare Kobe with Lebron in those late years ok that makes sense since they both went pro out of high-school at 18 years old. The real king of longevity is Vince Carter he played 22 nba seasons after going to college for 3 years. If he went pro after high-school he would of played 25 nba seasons wow 👏

@LanceNoir Год назад

Those guys weren’t as good as Bron at age 37-38

@jacobfarley247 Год назад

U realize Vince carter played his last couple of years on the bench lebron has played 20 straight seasons as a starter 🤡

@ydlee5888 Год назад

Isiah Thomas should be disqualified from commenting on anything to do with Jordan due to bias or jealousy and hate.

@insidejah9293 Год назад

Sooooo... Nobody has bias except Isiah Thomas????

@ydlee5888 Год назад

@@insidejah9293 You missed hate and jealousy?

@insidejah9293 Год назад

@@ydlee5888 Soo nobody else in the basketball world has bias, hate, jealousy except Isiah Thomas????

@ydlee5888 Год назад

@@insidejah9293 I think you should be disqualified due to inability to understand what's going on. I'm talking about direct hate and jealousy Isiah Thomas has towards Michael Jordan. So obviously, he's going to badmouth Jordan whenever possible while pretending not to and never would admit that he's the GOAT.

@gridirongod4207 Год назад

LeBron and Kobe average nearly the same amount of field goal attempts per game. Though LeBron averages more PPG and APG.

@Rjptz Год назад

damn they only .1 away from each other

@CallMeBezzy Год назад

If kobe played as passive as bron his numbers would be insane kobe was aggressive asl all the time

@spidaman2475 Год назад

Kobe is a great. I would take him over lebron

@Jcon4002 Год назад

And Lebron is more efficient

@hectorcervantes4025 Год назад

And this is why I find it ridiculous when people say he’s pass first, no pass first player shoots that much

@nmbmemphisbeast3690 Год назад

At the time bron passed Jordan he did it on less shots..yes hes taken more shots than mj now and hes also way higher on the scoring list tf

@russelturner5771 Год назад

Way more three's, so there's that.

@nmbmemphisbeast3690 Год назад

Who's fault is it that Jordan wasnt a better 3pt shooter? Yall said bron cant shoot also lol cant win for losing

@darnellwilliams8783 Год назад

Nmb Memphis beast smh LeBron stat pad meanwhile Jordan won every championship never he cared more about those

@manan612 Год назад

Why don’t you count the free throw attempts as well

@rfoster8 Год назад

@@darnellwilliams8783 Jordan only played 6 seasons??

@rell_5000 Год назад

Interesting. Kobe is 1st all time at SG for assists, and he never shook his gunner label, nor did he ever get props for how good of a passer he was. That's just how it goes with "narratives" and bs.

@MrJreed98 Год назад

I never knew that! Wow, I appreciate the education

@lastassassin5674 Год назад

People who actually watch the game know Kobe was passer , people just hate

@Sakamoshi Год назад

Kobe only passed when he was quadruple teamed. Lebrons assists are positionless all time stats

@rell_5000 Год назад

@@Sakamoshi Must've been a lot of quadruple teams. More than Wade, MJ, Harden, Hornacek, Carter, Iverson and McGrady ever saw huh? The point though, is that Kobe has that stigma from people like you, when reality says something else, similar to LeBron scoring.

@Sakamoshi Год назад

@@rell_5000 point is who cares. He's nowhere near the top 10. I was embellishing obviously, but he wasn't a great passer. Lebron is. And LeAssister played the 3/4 position most of his career. Everyone else in the TOP 30 are PGs. Useless info in an ice cold take. 🥶

@JordanFans78 Год назад

Jordan in year 15 and Bron at year 15 Jordan had more points at the end of his career than Bron 😂

@loubensoctave3986 Год назад

And Who took more shots though?

@Advent616 Год назад

@@loubensoctave3986 Lebron still made 1000+ more 3pters than Jordan at that point. The 3pt line wasn't encouraged by coaches back then because logically, why would you take that many difficult shots that far from the basket? It's no different that the exact reason why you guys bash Kobe for his FG%.

@ltothet7247 Год назад

So, LeBron is Shannon's goat and Skip's goat is MJ? That's new

@drsmango Год назад

And you’re here commenting on the video, thus giving them more interaction which will factor into this continuing as a topic. If you don’t like it then just shut up. The irony of y’all commenting complaints like this is insane to me. It’s counterproductive to the point you’re trying to make lol😂

@unafraidjlay Год назад

Who knew?

@GoatJoe74 Год назад

😂

@pickledokra2963 Год назад

@@drsmango the topic isn't going to change because they're not good at changing it up. It has nothing to do with people commenting lol, that's boomer naivety.

@GoatJoe74 Год назад

@@drsmango bro it don’t matter if we comment on this or not. The topic will be here forever. Have a good day broski! ✌🏾

@markreadin7124 Год назад

GOAT debate is subjective, because it will depend on which criteria you value. If it's championships, Bill Russell. If it's individual stats, guys like Wilt and MJ come to mind. If it's sustained greatness, LeBron and Kareem. And anyone saying there is no GOAT debate is already participating in it 🤔

@actormertsirin Год назад

It is 100% not subjective. We all know MJ is clearly number 1. Stop this BS. Facts aren't subjective. Two three peats, 6 finals MVPs, 10 scoring titles, 9 time all defense. No, it ain't subjective bub.

@tigerscott5929 Год назад

@@actormertsirin at this point, yes it’s absolutely subjective. For multiple reasons. A, based on what someone’s criteria is, B, likely depending on when you grew up and who you grew up watching, C, the fact that people magically put criteria on LeBron that never mattered before. The facts are there are people who love Mike, and there are people who love LeBron. There’s nothing wrong with either. But the criteria you’re basing your stance on matters.

@markreadin7124 Год назад

@@actormertsirin You can list bunch of accolades for anyone my guy 😂, doesn't make those the objective criteria. Who would even decide that?

@Iss.hinck7 Год назад

@@actormertsirin im with you bro!

@MikeJones-fz2mt Год назад

Stop the BS! MIKE IS GOAT these weird little kids think it’s bron smh

@MrDthugz Год назад

Some of you coming into the comments section to see who loves MJ or who loves LeBron but most Journalists and current and former NBA players unanimously say Mike is the GOAT. I'm a Kobe guy but gotta respect those that have been there and done that and they mostly say Mike was that guy. Shannon and Isaiah have their opinion but they're def the minority.

@MrAjscott03 Год назад

Shannon won when he said Lebron took less shots to pass Mike than Mike took to get there. 🤭

@reidwilson7974 Год назад

Different league then when Michael played you really can't compare

@jv-heavyzeo8588 Год назад

@@reidwilson7974 better competition now n more skills it's nothing to fight under the basket

@reidwilson7974 Год назад

@@jv-heavyzeo8588 dude stop, more skilled sure but weaker, because it's more kids he is playing against. it's one & done kids that are asked to be the franchise players & can't handle it in today's game. that's why Charles Barkley made a good suggestion most of these kids should stay in school for at least three years because it's hurting the brand. y'all like to use the more skilled bs 💩because it's a more three point based game & wide open where they didn't worry about that in Michaels time plus handles but that is a more focus coming out of college today but that doesn't mean they know how to play the game, which makes it more weaker

@mnm4840 Год назад

Jordan took 13 attempts to win 6 rings, and Lebron will NEVER get there.

@travionjohnson3975 Год назад

The top 3 scorers played atleast 20 seasons pretty simple. Don’t matter if you’re considered a score first player if you play 20 years control the offense and ball you’ll score

@kenmckinnie6061 Год назад

It’s crazy how you hate him so much that you can’t even give him credit where it’s due🤡😂😂

@maricioboler5872 Год назад

Can you name those 3 for the classroom please and how much they averaged for their career? Ain't Haslem playing his 20 something season this year and he ain't no where close. Stop hating

@travionjohnson3975 Год назад

@@maricioboler5872 Clean your kneepads off so sensitive🤣 Kareem Bron Malone all played atleast 20 and are alltime greats that’s the point I wasn’t saying all players that play 20 years will break records

@theALMIGHTY987 Год назад

@@maricioboler5872 Didn't LeBron start in the league@18 & the great MJ@22? He already had a jumpstart on him, Lebron's legacy is his durability & longevity......the great MJ was just DOMINANCE! 6RINGZ!!!!!!

@trainpushingtutorials2822 Год назад

@@theALMIGHTY987 why wasn't mj playing when he 18

@Sean-gq6vj Год назад

Let’s not pretend that having a midrange or variety of ways to score doesn’t set you apart. Shaq didn’t have a mid range pull up game either. And that’s exactly why Kobe went one on one in a lot of late game situations.

@brianshin3209 Год назад

It’s not bout hating Lebron. It’s just when ppl want to always say he’s better than MJ when he’s just not.

@rafa328 Год назад

Until both players play under the exact same conditions (Same exact opponents, teammates, and rules) then any comparison is nonsense. After watching basketball for nearly 30 years, I can say the best basketball I'm seeing is right now. The competition has never been better. The pace of the game has never been faster. The level of athleticism is unmatched. With all due respect to Jordan, but if he had to get guarded by these guys today under zone defense... There's no way he's ISO'ing his way to as many fadeaways as he did in his career. Like absolutely no way teams today let that happen under zone defense play.

@syyner1748 Год назад

@@rafa328 yea I call bs

@whitefire06 Год назад

MJ is my #1 GOAT but Shannon made some good points here that I guess I didn't think about. My pick is mainly based off of the eye test so stats don't really matter to me but when you actually value longevity instead of just their "prime", it does make me appreciate Bron more. It seems obvious but I always just compared their primes.

@Thomas998822 Год назад

longevity is just the icing on the cake. Bron has the PPG to back it up, he's been at the top of the league in scoring average since day 1. *PLUS* only Wilt has a better career shooting percentage. So not only is LeBron on the brink of being the All-time scorer in pure volume, he's right up there nearly identical to KD in PPG, AND he's literally the 2nd most efficient scorer of all-time. That's literally the entire trifecta, but he's not a great scorer?!?! People are right, he's not A great scorer, he's THE greatest scorer, as far as combined longevity, volume, average AND efficiency. Case closed.

@endangeredspecies8441 Год назад

@@Thomas998822 relax bro. Kareem wasn’t a great scorer but he had an unstoppable move. Being a scorer is a lot deeper then laying up the ball for 80% of your career.

@Thomas998822 Год назад

@@endangeredspecies8441 very true... that's exactly why I said being the greatest scorer is about volume, average, consistency, longevity and efficiency. LeBron is goat status in all of that. And let's be clear only 38% of LeBron career pts have come in the paint. NOT 80%, but point taken. To, me it wouldn't matter if 100% of his points were dunks. Scoring, TO ME , is about putting the ball in the basket and putting points on the board. Feel free to do you. If the greatest scorer, to you, is who had the purest jump shot, deepest arsenal, or best ball-handling and lay-up package...cool. Lebron is on the brink of pointing the ball in the basket more than anyone ever. Did it for longer. Did more consistently than anyone besides maybe Kareem. Had a higher average than most everyone, and did it more efficiently than everyone besides Wilt. Those are FACTS bro....those. are. Facts... That's GOAT! IDGAF!

@TMS_CJamez Год назад

Love when the greats give bron his flowers 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

@tyyrreekk9005 Год назад

It's always the ones who never played in the league trashing him even MJ himself gave LeBron his props idk why people have to make it a rivalry between them tho like why can't there be 2 goats they're from 2 different generations

@Fr1sen0 Год назад

@@tyyrreekk9005 Because that wouldn't be all time....

@davidocampo8997 Год назад

Coming from Isiah? Really?

@donwax3061 Год назад

It's always someone who got eclipsed by mike

@bengochea64 Год назад

@@donwax3061 💯

@chadbinette3201 Год назад

Isiah has said Jordan is the goat, then he said it was Kareem, even though Kareem hasn't played a game 30plus years and now it's LeBron so whatever Isiah says has to be taken with a grain of salt.

@Mercil7 Год назад

He’s been saying LeBron

@ankeviousoliver4472 Год назад

Isiah said LeBron years ago and he can change his mind if he likes. The man knows basketball.

@calsums914 Год назад

Jordan hasn't played 20 years so what's the difference

@MrsOrganics Год назад

WHAT ! Are you dumb?! Of course the GOAT status can change as STATS and players change! What are you even talking about?!

@davidrandolph9397 Год назад

Completely agree. IT hates..

@gstacks_bundles3403 Год назад

Now days as soon a skip says its my I end the video carry on 🤣🤣🤣✌🏾

@tj1317 Год назад

U know when Shannon won, when Skip start saying “Jordan went 6-0” he got nothing else to say

@Augrills Год назад

Shannon can’t win cause MJ is the goat

@martyg2333 Год назад

That's cause there's nothing else to say....MJ is the GOAT. It's a silly argument anyways, just like it was silly when we were comparing Kobe to Jordan. When the dust settles he'll be ranked somewhere between 2 - 10 but he'll never be ranked above MJ by the vast majority. You can't lose that many finals and still compare him to a guy that went undefeated. It's a losing battle.....

@tj1317 Год назад

So is Bill Russell the best of all time 😭😭😂😂

@tj1317 Год назад

And its crazy too cuz who was Mj’s hardest compilation in the finals

@andrewwilson2272 Год назад

yea he did

@samadboss9396 Год назад

Shannon always destroy Skip Bayless in debates 💯💯

@dukeGed Год назад

are you a slow person by any chance?

@dnice4145 Год назад

He does but not because Skip has a losing hand, he's just not built for these debates. If you listen to some of the stupid/irrelevant arguments Shannon makes before replying they can be slapped down rather easily. Skip is generally terrible in making arguments which allows Sharpe to get away with his half truths and phony arguments.

@Mercil7 Год назад

@@dukeGed it’s clear that you are if you think otherwise

@MrJreed98 Год назад

This conversation has been run into the ground so much that who truly cares anymore?!?

@jefferybradley7187 Год назад

Right

@mikemorrow3238 Год назад

I agree with you 😂

@xxmaskedupjayxx3006 Год назад

Man y’all don’t get tired of this same conversation 💀

@dropsixteentvtv4149 Год назад

it's the same thing it's always been. Do you prefer overall player or dominating in one area. If they were playing at the same time, they'd be head to head rivals, on good teams, for that era.

@geraldhoward3361 Год назад

Longevity and physical advantage are Lebron's strengths and talents. They should be adding points to his greatness not minus. It's like i can say MJ had shooting advantage over Lebron.

@mrpearson1230 Год назад

...and rings, & scoring titles...etc

@clipsedrag13 Год назад

@@mrpearson1230 lebron is almost perfect. if he wasn't a social justice hypocrite, he'd be the greatest athlete/celebrity of all time. even so, he might still be

@GreaterThanSolomon Год назад

@@mrpearson1230 and defense alcolades

@GreaterThanSolomon Год назад

@@clipsedrag13 his social activism has nothing to do with how he plays. Get out of your feelings

@syracuse1433 Год назад

Prime Jordan was quicker and had a higher vertical than lebron. Lebron is stronger but this is basketball not football.

@hiphophead4891 Год назад

Funny how people will say "Players say Kobe is better so he's better." But then when Isiah Thomas or other legends or players crown Lebron as the G.O.A.T all of a sudden they hate or dont know what they're talking about.

@thinktwice3211 Год назад

I bet you dont even know why IT hates MJ. IT's critique is flawed.

@hiphophead4891 Год назад

@@thinktwice3211 IT beat him more times than MJ beat him IT is not salty if anyone is its MJ he aired em out on the documentary.

@afambasil753 Год назад

Nobody's crowning Lebron only Jordan hater(s). They said Kobe surpassed MJ now LeBron tomorrow might be Giannis or Curry and NBA is making a lot of money. Difference between MJ others remains he'll be compared to the best player (s) of every era.

@hiphophead4891 Год назад

@@afambasil753 You're missing the point. I'm not crowning neither Lebron nor MJ the GOAT(I dont think there is one). Yes there's clearly an upper echelon of players but to say one is better than the other is blasphemous. Anyways my point was people will always bring up player opinions to boost their favorite players case in the G.O.A.T debate. Its more prevalent with Jordan and Kobe stans than it is with Lebron stans thats how I see it. Yet if players like Isiah Thomas, J.J Reddick, John Stockton, Etc. were to dare say something that Jordan and Kobe stans dont agree with. They either say they're jealous of MJ or they're dumb. Just callin out the hypocrisy thats all

@martyg2333 Год назад

@@hiphophead4891 It sounds like you're a biased Lebron d rider. Your OG comment doesn't even make sense. So when people make a case for Kobe or MJ they make little effort and people accept it but when people say LBJ is the goat people discredit them. Really? Why, because you saw it happen in one video?

@DoeSavageTv Год назад

When has longevity become a bad thing

@nicoesparza8632 Год назад

For Jordan, and even Kobe, to score at the level as they did, where most dominant scorers in history are Bigs, is what makes what they did more extraordinary.

@knucklesaukuso5086 Год назад

Extraordinary ball hogs yes 💯%

@misane2212 Год назад

Michael retired and came back and won three more That’s all I have to say no one will do that in NBA history ever again

@heemladen5872 Год назад

That wasn’t no damn retirement

@northphillybul8577 Год назад

3 straight back to back to back not once but twice !!!! Say it louder for the people in the back

@SpideyJ239 Год назад

Not a lot of talent in the 90's era. That's all I have to say.

@SamoaVsEverybody814 Год назад

Also got smacked in 6 by the team who got swept in the Finals 2 rds later when he came back The 2nd 3peat Bulls were also a Superteam

@yank8037 Год назад

@@SpideyJ239 90's, not just talent better teams and not one sided. Do to over stacking team With superstars.

@zmankicks7688 Год назад

So pretty much according to skip, shame on lebron for being born right handed and becoming ambidextrous, shame on him for being taller and stronger. Shame on him for being in the league so damn long (all while scoring 25 ppg+ every year but his rookie campaign) that the game changed and became 3 pt dominant). Its more impressive he’s continued to adapt

@dnice4145 Год назад

Skip was only refuting another stupid narrative that the most ball dominant player in nba history (Lebron has never wanted to play in a system that didn't revolve around him) isn't considered a scorer. People like Isiah Thomas only make such irrelevant and un-provable arguments to some how make his longevity stats somehow more meaningful.

@Oddsharxz10 Год назад

Ya exactly

@zmankicks7688 Год назад

@@dnice4145 in skips own words though he’s the best passer of the basketball ever, why shouldn’t he have the ball in his hands then. It’s not like he isn’t efficient considering he’s more efficient than MJ (passed him in points with less shot attempts) , and KD

@dizzydacure8226 Год назад

@@dnice4145 Bro y'all have to stop with these BS narratives that y'all create. Please Show proof that anyone who has ever coached or played with LeBron said that he has "never wanted to play in a system that didn't revolve around him"... That statement in itself is not only false but could mean different things. For example. Please tell me what system had MJ ever played in that didn't revolve around him? Don't worry, you don't have to answer that question because there has never been one. Coaches had put the ball in Brons hands early on because of his facilitator ability, basketball IQ and his willingness to make the right play. Y'all talk out both sides of your mouths. In the beginning it was "Bron is too unselfish and needs to take be more like MJ/Kobe" then now y'all trying to push this "Bron is selfish" and "it's all about him" narrative. Lol... Y'all don't know what y'all want. Lol. The standard that LBJ is held to and the fact that he's exceeds those standards is what makes him the GOAT to me. MJ isn't even held to the same standard and that should tell you everything you need to know.

@g-tall665 Год назад

Isaiah Thomas will never let his MJ beef go bro how long have y'all been retired let it goooo! 🤧😂😂

@tonitesmokinup Год назад

skip and Shannon are forgetting that there are 33% more possessions in a game in this era than an MJ’s. That’s 33% more chances at rebounds assists and points

@facelessandnameless Год назад

Yup. This is definitely an era of major stat padding.

@senseicharles2856 Год назад

Yea but there’s only one basketball which means that 33% is shared by 9 other players on the court per game so that doesn’t mean lebron has 33% more of a chance you have to divide that by 9 for the other 9 players on the court with lebron and then factor in minutes in a game and other things so that 33% ain’t really that much of advantage …the 3 pointer is main difference between Kareem and Lebron and mj that’s it

@dapperdon5428 Год назад

@@senseicharles2856 that 33% is major when the offense is ran thru you and you have the ball 90% of the possessions

@nate8604 Год назад

Then why doesn’t Kobe have the accolades LeBron has??? KG played 21 seasons, Vince played 22 seasons, Tim Duncan played 20, you hold their accomplishments against them??? They don’t have the stats Bron does either, moot points.

@shayjames5099 Год назад

There is not 33% possessions at all the 87 season there was a average of 87.1 FGA per game last season 88.1 look it up

@lipscovc Год назад

Tell them Shannon. You do it so eloquently.

@leetraviusmckay2919 Год назад

Shannon literally destroyed him right there when he said LeBron had more points on less shots than Michael at the same time in their career 😂.

@atlien1988 Год назад

Obviously because LeBron has attempted thousands of more threes.

@dondada6839 Год назад

@@atlien1988 did you miss the fact that he took less shots ?

@corneiliuslee1624 Год назад

Shooting guard job Is to shooting

@kcsizzle23 Год назад

He didn't factor the defense and how the game was played then... I'll take the GOAT anyday.

@Gordoh20 Год назад

Yo after that skip just moved on to Kareem lol

@stevesolis725 Год назад

Jordan played 3 years for NC, won college championship & won USA gold medal before going to NBA enough said Jordan is the GOAT

@khymitchell2196 Год назад

Shannon buffet scenarios are killing me 😭🔥💯💯

@damienag2026 Год назад

The arguments from Skip are just getting more ridiculous as LBJ is getting closer to break Kareem’s record. Anything to discredit him before his accomplishment.

@thinktwice3211 Год назад

The scoring record doesnt put Le3*-6 anywhere near MJ. MJ is the reason GOAT is even an acronym.

@damienag2026 Год назад

@@thinktwice3211 yet he is the one most brings to the conversation. 😆 It just matter of opinion.

@9614cp Год назад

I can tell he’s getting tired of going at LeBron but that’s what he gets paid to do, take on all the narratives that go against LeBron. But ain’t no way I’m taking LBJ over MJ.

@thisiseliasm4645 Год назад

MJ average 32-8-8 one season. How was he never asked to do everything like LeBron?

@manuelrodriguez9972 Год назад

Only one season lol 😆

@SpideyJ239 Год назад

What season was that? Did he win the chip 🏆.

@dapperdon5428 Год назад

Lebron fans dnt know that much about other basketball players or the game period

@youngskyler7568 Год назад

Facts MJ in the late 80's put up monster numbers in the 90's the bulls was a complete team in everybody played there roll MJ numbers dropped for more team success in winning

@thisiseliasm4645 Год назад

@@manuelrodriguez9972 yes but LeBron only averages 2 more assists and one more rebound pero game for a career.

@AnonyMous-un3df Год назад

LeBron is not a "passer" he is a floor general. it's mot about him passing to an open man, it's him running plays within plays so that even when he doesn't have the ball he's still in control. Ofcourse he still makes mistakes. P.S MJ is to me the most impressive display of a basketball player I've ever seen.

@insidejah9293 Год назад

The last time LeBron "officially" played Point Guard position, he led league in assists AND won an NBA championship with Finals MVP. But he's not a passer???? SMH...haters are gonna hate!

@Sonnel_James Год назад

that's exactly the reason why nobody can play their game on a Lebron James team

@1Scital1 Год назад

@@insidejah9293 lol, the funny thing is you are actually doing him a disservice calling him a passer.

@insidejah9293 Год назад

@@1Scital1 actually the funny thing is that you are assuming that I think in black & white terms! LeBron is literally "All of the Above"...scorer, passer, rebounder, blocker, dunker, logo three maker, turnaround jumper maker, coach, leader, GM, ...you name it he does it.... That's what makes these haters so mad! There's been no basketball player that has displayed this kind of talent, skill and IQ in that many categories AND for 19-20 seasons. Hater's gonna hate.

@1Scital1 Год назад

@@insidejah9293 You literally called him a passer now you are agreeing with me lol. Right.

@charlesvxiii5925 Год назад

Playing with da best of the best for majority of his career while avoiding injury sure made it a lot easier

@justinsmith9832 Год назад

Majority? I want to start with off with this comment is coming from a Mavs fan whos favorite player is Kobe and thinks it's Kareem, MJ and Lebron in order for GOAT. Alright now - His first 7 years in Cleveland, Mo Williams was his 2nd best player, he took a group of YMCA rec dudes to the finals. He was in Miami for what, 4 years? 2 of those D-Wade was low key washed and Bosh was a corner three shooter really, a 38 year old Ray Allen for a season? The rest of the team were min contract players. So I'll give you 2 years with best of the best. He then went back to Cleveland and played with Kyrie who was only available for the playoffs the year they won and KLove who was just white Chris Bosh. So only 1 maybe 2 years counts. Now he's with the Lakers, 1st year were all young players. 2nd year they get AD and win the title in the bubble. Since then it's been all injuries, a disconnected AD and bad roster signings with washed up once upon All Stars like Dwight Howard, Melo and Westbrook. Cmon man. 19 years in the league and he had 5-6 years max where he's actually had a great team around him.

@syyner1748 Год назад

@@justinsmith9832 you lost the argument when you said D Wade was low key washed up. That's a load of bs...

@loudthebest7546 Год назад

@@syyner1748 literally go look at his stats in the finals. Wade wasn’t putting up all-star caliber performances in 2013-2014 finals. He played poorly and was clearly showing signs of regression. In 2011-2012 he was still himself but an extra 2-3 years will take an extensive toll on your body when you’re a professional athlete

@justinsmith9832 Год назад

@@syyner1748 that last 2 years was about 60% of the player he was when Lebron got there. He wasn't a top player in the league anymore.

@antonioantonio447 Год назад

This is getting old if you watched both players play as I did there’s no question that Michael Jordan is the goat 🐐…

@DJDNAUK Год назад

Lebron is the 🐐

@nasseramirabdulghaffar234 Год назад

I watched both of them too Lebron and Magic over jordan

@existdissolve Год назад

Skip's amateurish psychoanalysis of every athlete on the planet is always a good laugh.

@martyg2333 Год назад

His expectations are completely unrealistic.

@5StarFlix Год назад

LeBron is great and certainly wins the longevity argument, but Jordan's peak was higher and lasted longer than any player in NBA history including LeBron, Kareem, Russell or any other superstar. Jordan won 10 scoring titles and led the league in Field Goals 10 times, and Win Shares, VORP and Box Plus Minus 9 times. 5 MVPs and 6 Finals MVPs and a Defensive Player of the Year award.

@_M.... Год назад

please consider the source. all I'll say, lol.

@juanaorozco6593 Год назад

They said the same thing about Kobe when he was playing

@ronniealexander4842 Год назад

This is no debate. Michael Jordan will go down as the GOAT Forever. He is known world wide as the GOAT. 6 titles. Put them together in any room and events. Around NBA Players and you will see who they regard as the GOAT.

@TO-xm1vh Год назад

There are others with more NBA titles than Jordan... Let's talk about Goat in ice hockey or even lacrosse

@ronniealexander4842 Год назад

The GOAT Conversation will majority's most of the time will involve basketball or football. Tom Brady/Michael Jordan. That not putting down the others GOAT in other sports

@TO-xm1vh Год назад

@@ronniealexander4842 now ask yourself why basketball and football only?... There are a billions sports out there and you speak of goat in only basketball and football?... The answer is there in black and white for you to see, not just for look, watch or read only... Think as well

@ronniealexander4842 Год назад

The conversation is about GOAT of basketball.

@TO-xm1vh Год назад

@@ronniealexander4842 why goat of basketball or football out of all the millions of sports out there?... Nobody ever called Micheal Phelps goat, why?

@thefreakyrobber0 Год назад

Ohhhhhhh boy this new topic is amazing 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@Chalee711 Год назад

jordans best teammate was charles oakley from 85 to 87. Broke his foot in 86, missed 60+ games n sneaked into playoffs. 63 on boston n got swept in 3. Pippen n grant got drafted in 87 draft, but they were projects. Took few yrs to improve n jordan bulked up so he can take on the pistons. During this time, all the good teams in the east had multiple allstars. However, jordan advanced further after every post season loss n eventually got to the 91 finals n the prime years lasted 91 to 98. Once he got to the top, he stayed at top. Defending as the champ yr after yr, is the hardest thing to do. Jordan scored 30000 pts in 13 seasons with bulls, n 3k with wizards. Math isnt hard, especially with a calculator

@quique1157 Год назад

the question is could lebron score so much in jordan's time with a rodman defending him or the defense of that time?

@activatebpm Год назад

Skip's reaction to Shannon's point at 6:07 sums up his ability as a debater. "Hmm" is all he could respond. LOL

@BIGBLACK24KB Год назад

Lmao Shannon got him there

@dnice4145 Год назад

Skip is a lazy and terrible debater.

@YaBoyJon Год назад

LMAO

@ankeviousoliver4472 Год назад

Longevity is a huge part of being a goat. You can't last short and be in the convo.

@suntansuperman26 Год назад

Yea but what if you’re short but still accomplished more than those who played longer than you?

@stevenguyen8161 Год назад

20 years, 4 rings, 4 MVPs vs 15 years, 6 rings. 6 MVPs. Dunno about you, but someone is more prolific and efficient at being a winner. Consider LeBron is 6' 9" 260 lbs. Jordan was 6' 6" 200 lbs. Who is more difficult to stop physically, and therefore who is more likely to have an easier go at the basket? Ergo, who would be perceived as easier to defend? And yet, one of them has 10 scoring titles and 9 All-NBA defensive team awards. Who is that superstar?

@ankeviousoliver4472 Год назад

@@stevenguyen8161 teams win chips not players

@stevenguyen8161 Год назад

@@ankeviousoliver4472 Teams are made up of what? Gerbils?

@maricioboler5872 Год назад

UnK: "I'm just saying 🥴" 🤣🤣🤣

@joelbrown5932 Год назад

Malone scored more than MJ but never won a championship against the Bulls that doesn’t help Bron argument as the best he lost to many finals when it mattered MJ won more championships and has more accolades than Bron will ever achieve in 13 years stop comparing

@lifeofibo Год назад

Tell me one of Jordans opponents that he met in the final thats able to beat the 2017 & 2018 warriors with kd steph klay & draymond or the spurs team with duncan, manu, tony (kawhi)

@kingmoney3163 Год назад

@@lifeofibo exactly . These boys stay tryna act like Jordan peanut headass was really better than LBJ. Stop comparing . If LBJ was in the league back then he would’ve smashed them all no cap

@luminousrxk7288 Год назад

@@lifeofibo who did bron face in the playoffs?

@joelbrown5932 Год назад

@@lifeofibo Klay and Draymond not in the top 30 players since going to the playoffs in 2015 lol that fact let’s me know everybody has won against Bron it’s 2011 all over again you man crushing state facts

@danielhettesheimer606 Год назад

i love watching the lebron vs mj debate change year by year. its obvious how nervous skip gets when every year lebron adds new achievements that are just cementing his spot as the 🐐

@facelessandnameless Год назад

Nothing changes at all. MJ is still the GOAT.

@ikwed Год назад

It’s crazy how skip takes the height of Jordan as a weakness but doesn’t for steph them double standards

@winnigriff8989 Год назад

The look on skip face while shannon spoke was hilarious

@bink542 Год назад

I’m a huge Mike fan but at this point the goat debate is pointless, it’s just who do you prefer more truthfully.

@munoken Год назад

You crazy for saying that. Air Jordan all day.

@bink542 Год назад

@@munoken i guess you didn’t get what i said bro💀 I know Mike is the goat but the goat debate is pointless.

@wealthdiscoveries2641 Год назад

LeBron switched teams 100 times because he couldn’t win where he was. Jordan 6 rings with one team, undefeated in the finals, and has the all-time highest scoring average in nba history. 9-time all defense to LeBron’s how many ? I think 6 or something. 6 finals MVPs. Jordan is just better than LeBron. Y’all voting with y’all hearts.

@GappyHilmore Год назад

Isiah is actually disrespecting Lebron if you really think about it. He only claims that Lebron is the GOAT out of spite for Jordan, which is actually a disservice to Lebron.

@jebjebster Год назад

Why would he say someone he handled pretty easily is the goat

@McFrappin Год назад

@@jebjebster Handled who easily?

@will3pr Год назад

Or, here’s a crazy idea, maybe that’s his actual genuine belief. It’s ok to say a different player is their GOAT. There is no definitive GOAT even MJ said this.

@BornGiftedMusicGroup Год назад

Lies! He beat MJ multiple times when it mattered so he doesn’t see him as a God like others do. The man can have his opinion

@GappyHilmore Год назад

@@jebjebster why would he still be bitter to the man who you claim he “handled pretty easily”?

@FreedomFighter2112 Год назад

Total Achievements: (Titles / Scoring Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs /1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 3) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 4) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 -- Curry only has 13

@adeife2 Год назад

You know Bill would easily be on the top if those achievements existed during his time. 💀

@FreedomFighter2112 Год назад

Although Bill and Wilt would be MUCH higher, Jordan would still be #1. For instance, even if Bill made 1st All-Def 13 out of 13 years and won 11 out of 11 NBA Finals MVPs, he would have had 43 points. Most historians believe he would've won 6 Finals MVPs

@projectworld4023 Год назад

Tony Gywnn is my Favorite Baseball Player! Thanks for the shoutout

@SP-ve1im Год назад

Shannon saying LeBron had no support from his teammates lol

@Pheonixttty Год назад

Ray allen and kyrie hitting those clutch shots smh

@gabelasry221 Год назад

@@Pheonixttty what about the clutch 3 right before the Allen 3 or the greatest defensive play in finals history to keep the game tied allowing kyrie to hit that clutch shot lol, clearly you have selective memory

@dillonblase Год назад

And what about the other years ? 07 cavs? 2018 cavs ? That’s 2 years that if he had adequate help he would already be tied with jordan in rings so enough. If lebron had a solid teammate like pippen in every single finals appearance like jordan did, im sure he would’ve won more. Jordan couldn’t make it to the finals for 7 years until he had pippen.

@bfns2353 Год назад

07 Bron didn't have help,15 Bron didn't have help,18 Bron didn't have help. That is three Finals losses on Bron's record because of his lack of help.

@n00utz81 Год назад

Isiah got forever beef with MJ lmao dude is so petty. LeBron is not on Mike's level.

@sonytoor542 Год назад

Petty? Yeah he is, BUT, since Jordan kept him off the Olympic team, I'd be petty also. Not to mention, Jordan himself was, is and forever will be notoriously petty himself

@n00utz81 Год назад

@@sonytoor542 ok but there's being petty then there is just being a flat out dunce he knows damn well this conversation is media driven. No NBA GM ever in their right mind would take Lebron over MJ

@sonytoor542 Год назад

@@n00utz81 true, but my point wasn't about Lebron vs Jordan, it was about Isiah being petty, the reason and Jordan being just as petty.

@cryptotheconqueror9038 Год назад

Yet Lebron is passing Kareem at a younger age and less games. If Kareem is humbled by Lebron passing him the world should be.

@datpiff2000 Год назад

Wouldn't it be nice every year or four years ESPN and FOX Sports can get all of the sports personalities like these two, the guys at First Things First, First Take, Get Up, Colin Cowherd and other and have like a debate summit sort of like the Presidential Debate. Man that would be awesome. Hopefully one day we can have that.

@thinktwice3211 Год назад

You just cant be the goat if you dont/know how to play defense. MJ is the reason GOAT is an acronym.

@alphamohamedkebe8513 Год назад

MJ never even guarded the best players that was Scottie and Rodman, he was mainly asked to only score and guard the teams second or third best player

@thinktwice3211 Год назад

@@alphamohamedkebe8513 I cant even believe I read your comment twice and thought about it for more than 30 seconds....wow just wow.

@thinktwice3211 Год назад

@@alphamohamedkebe8513 I'm copying this and making it a comment for all to see.

@EF-zo5dm Год назад

Let it go Isaiah!! Move on just as Jordan has!!

@TheosYeshua Год назад

I grew up watching 80s 90s Bball, nonetheless, every generation will have its assertions, and the next-gen and the next, and we will be still on this page debating with all our hearts on an issue that will never come to terms. Man!! Those two gentlemen are billionaires! For real, what are we getting out of this? I'm still fighting for a dollar 💰 to put in my pocket, just to give my Family 80 cents. End of the day, they going to be still rich...🤔 I mean, "Wealthy," and we will be still debating until someone else rows in the NBA 20yrs. from now. Let's salute all those Brothers & Sisters who are blessed by the Heavenly Father to pick up a ball and do something they love, instead of working 8-12 hrs. a day.

@g-era8998 Год назад

Shannon's commenating kills me 😂🤣

@ThePimpn22 Год назад

Why can't we just love them both ? They are both great players , we don't have to take one or the other .

@mig6pie Год назад

LeBron's objective has been to be named the GOAT, he has even called himself that, his nickname is of his own creation

@reeknasty Год назад

@@mig6pie no the media said he would be the next MJ at the age of 16 and Lebron embraced that.

@davionnebrantley6609 Год назад

That’s what I be saying

@H3NRI1986 Год назад

@@mig6pie so he was supposed to aim to be average. When play sports to be the best. If you fall short ok. You can love both

@mig6pie Год назад

@@H3NRI1986 I have to agree on the fact that you always age to aim to be the best, I just to like LeBron, but his antics and constant search for attention drives me nuts, but he is a great player undeniably

@ogjosh2306 Год назад

It's always hilarious when Shannon brings up a fact to debunk skips argument (Micheal took more shots per game than LeBron) and skip just ignores it and continues on like he's winning the debate lol

@andrewwilson2272 Год назад

it is funny that king of flopping lost 5 times in the finally so f your argumenet

@anthonycook4441 Год назад

Shan Sharp just sliced and diced Skip in that segment. Skip was all over the place with his retort and always somehow mentions Tom Brady when discussing Lebron and MJ as the GOAT.

@TheEvard14 Год назад

KD don’t even really be pushing to score like that all the time only if he really has to

@JasonWilliams-um8im Год назад

🧢What else is his objective??

@dieselx506 Год назад

Where did he crowned him as the GOAT in that tweet? Like I'm without my glasses right now so Imma give that to Skip but I don't see the conclusion they took or he took meaning Skip, also, funny how 'longevity' is a bad word when it comes to Bron but is great when is Tom Brady like with Tom is groundbreaking for Bron is 'meh'

@tristancampbell4941 Год назад

"Damn. Here we go again." -Kanye I get it, recycling is good for the environment, but sh*t😂

@ricardolozano5356 Год назад

second place finishes don't count

@tristancampbell4941 Год назад

@@ricardolozano5356 I don't get why you Jordan and LeBron fans are so h0rný for each others hatred. It's deathly apparent.

@cyber6sapien Год назад

"Magic had five servings on Jordan's watch". Jordan came into the league in 1984. Magic won titles 1985, 1987 and 1988. That's three rings by my count. Bird won his last title in 1986, Jordan's sophomore season. I love how Shannon acts like Isiah, Magic, Bird and Jordan are all the same age and entered the league at exactly the same time.

@romeoalpha68 Год назад

Also the game was different then . Regardless of what anyone says the NBA was a lot tougher .

@tevinsmith2562 Год назад

You sound stupid af lebron been in the nba 20 years 16 different teams ate on his watch.. 4 rings in 20 years I’m not impressed

@adingdingdiiing6740 Год назад

Why would you hold it against the player for playing the way he plays to reach a certain goal? Why not fault Kareem for not working on his shooting to score more? 🤦

@chasinggreatness42 Год назад

Everybody knows that Isaiah is one "The All-Time Greatest Haters" I don't take anything he say as facts. He still salty about not playing on the 92 Olympic team and that he got swept 4-0 in the Eastern Conference Finals by the 🐐 after coming off back to back titles so anything Isaiah say is laughable

@warrenbrooks7053 Год назад

About time somebody can see. Hate tor raid

@MovieGuy666 Год назад

he changes his opinions like most people change socks.

@citizengoon1139 Год назад

We take everything Isaiah say with a grain of salt when it comes to MJ period

@hollywoode82 Год назад

But why? Isiah spanked MJ more than MJ spanked him.

@citizengoon1139 Год назад

@@hollywoode82 Facts 💯 but trust me it's deeper than that.. Isaiah born and raised in chicago.. 🤔 last time I checked ain't no statue of him in chicago and on top of that MJ his nemesis is conceterd the GOAT 🤢🤮 he gets sick just thinking about MIKE and you know it 😑

@JohnWCote-gt4fs Год назад

This debate will probably never end 🐐 James the real 🐐 and it ain't even close 😂

@fuckallthat6090 Год назад

lmao keep dreaming kiddo

@fuckallthat6090 Год назад

MJ achieved more than lebron in less years, period, end of story

@Sonnel_James Год назад

if I had watched basketball for the first time and compared MJ and Lebron's game I would say you're delusional for saying that.. nothing in LeFraud's game is impressive LOL

@JohnWCote-gt4fs Год назад

@@Sonnel_James Has your balls even dropped yet because you sound like a 10 yr old say it with me G.O.A.T James 🐐 James and it ain't even close 😂🤣