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I didn't even get the joke until I read it the second time.

One sided roll back smh 😤

@@GanguroKonata Until it's a mirror match.

Thanks for translating "no home" whatafrruit

@@rrteppo I'm glad the rollback is working then

his rewind looks reactable though, but like sajam sais with assists, it might be almost unblockable.

Sorry but its lol compulsory ekko

Darius looks better

Nothing like a crouch jab can’t sort out ;)

Absolutely going to be a noob trap with rewind setups.

Hes a man of culture, and also secretly a Masochists

What else do you expect from the man that nut everytime someone mention rollback lol

Thats quite classic riot design easy gameplay with "deep" strategy but most of the time its just that.. "looks"

@@kingicarus77 what? valo and league have inmense depth, you can check out the pro scenes to see that clearly

@@franciscobortolin7541 you exactly made my point, of course the pros would make even fking mario have complex and in depth mechanics but if you play the game urself for any amount of time enough to be decent at it you will notice its not as in depth as it looks

@@kingicarus77 I'll be genuinely surprised if you're anything above d4

@@kingicarus77 so you have to be good to find the depth then? Because if there's depth in the pro scene but not the casual scene, then that's what that implies.

There can only be one bussy

how would you even stream snipe in a fighting game

@@dressigvil Ask LTG

Have you seen his strive lobbies? He has an organized line of ppl waiting to fighting him everyday. Those bussymen need to get on line like everyone else

Funnily enough, it seems like FPS games' netcode nowadays are just getting worse and worse barring exceptions like Halo Infinite maybe. lol

Yeah. It's about time Tony Cannon, the creator of GGPO, started taking netplay seriously. He sure was behind the curve before, huh?

Other genres can have just as bad netplay if not worse. It's just much more noticeable in a fighting game.

Tekken devs: Nope don't hear anything

Riot have always had great netcode. League players are SUPER picky about stable netcode, and low ping. Because you can't insec with more than like 62ms of lag. (I know fighting games want less, but it's 10 people vs 2.)

I feel like this is one of those cases where people are so close to a thing, they start missing obvious stuff. As some who is barely even a casual when it comes to fighting games, my mind immediately went to Smash when I heard there were no motion inputs. I felt the same with Rising Thunder and even SNK Heroines. I think part of it might be that a lot of people don't consider Smash a fighting game.

I honestly play single player a lot more than other fighting game players so I do hope they have a good single player offering. It allows people who don't wanna play online, can't play online, or won't play online because of the netcode because it's not up to their standards, so it gives people a lot more options to to enjoy the game that isn't just play against randos online

Them's Fightin' Herds has a well-though-out story mode with an overworld and everything (but with only one character right now), but you haven't probably heard of it. Leave the Riot ecosystem, and you'll see a whole world of great games out there.

@@Maver1ck101 yeah and how many of them have actually brought new players into the fgc. Also I like how you say leave the Riot ecosystem. Riot has 3 proper games and an extension of league. Most league players play games outside of league. The simple fact is that riot brings a certain dynamic into their games even if the games aren't the most innovative.

@@Maver1ck101 Maybe TFH is not their cup of tea, I dislike the concept of horses fighting too much to play that game for example. Otherwise it looked fine.

I'd argue otherwise. I imagine most people that will be playing that game first are coming from League, and single-player modes have never been really embraced by the community. And while a lot of people are going to be FG casuals, they are already competitive players in MOBAs, so I'd imagine they would be looking for something e-sports oriented as well. I'm hyped to see what the tournaments will look like, that is what Riot does best, Imagine having something as big as LoL Worlds but for a fighting game.

It looks very GGXrd/DBFZ. Good, but not quite as stylized as GranBlue or as high end as GGST. I kinda wish they'd gone for something less cel-shaded anime and more painterly like the LoR launch trailer and Arcane.

@@SuzakuX Yeah, I though thats what they were originally gonna do but things obviously changed. I dont think it looks that much like another games though, looks like 3D models with Cells shanding sure but the Art is like Apex Legend character/Cinematic trailer Look. Regardless it looks pretty good early on, Still can have tweaks to the rendering but I think this is what we'll see

Agreed, at first glance I was disappointed that they strayed away from making them look 3D, but on closer look - they still are! It's just a different art direction, and I absolutely love it. Super excited for this game!

They got Riot budget afterall so it's all in

@@SuzakuX Its NOT anime styled dude. Cell shaded doesn't equal anime style. Looks nothing like dbfz or guilty gear

I believe zatranis is the art lead on this game. Not a riot artist but he does lots of cool art in general if you wanna check him out! ^^

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You should watch the show! Its really good

Dont worry, you can actually appreciate it more because you aren't playing League

Sounds like Kin of the Stained Blade, a Spirit Blossom skinline event Cinematic that was a banger

I wish they'd reconsider and take the GBVS route where motions have no cooldown but one button specials do. I highly doubt they'll do it though.

Rather have easy inputs and fast gameplay than harder inputs and slow gameplay. They had to compromise to decrease the difficulty somewhere and I'm super fine with the way they're doing it here.

There should really be an traditional input option because from my experience with Fighting EX Layer I could not get into the game smoothly, lack of motion inputs for a 2d game makes you sorta feel out of control if you're already used to other fighting games. It'd be cool if it would at least take on the Melty Blood route of just having inputs be very simple for those that just wanna feel satisfied doing them during a fight.

If it plays anything like BTFG I’m excited for it. That game is mad fun.

Sniffs Harder inputs do not equal slower gameplay

Imagine Darius's ult

They seem to be going for ArcSys levels of character strength, pretty neat overall.

@Titanslayer yes

@Titanslayer It's also from the company that keeps slowly pumping out high quality games now that they have a permanent cashcow.

@Titanslayer Look at anything they made AFTER lol and tell me it's anywhere near the mess lol is...

The game looks to be ticking all the boxes. The gameplay looks fun, with a simple to learn, hard to master approach with badass looking combos, the graphics look really nice and the netcode will probably be the best we've ever seen. Let's just hope it's not too good to be true.

Yeah, it’s refreshing to hear developers with their heads and hearts in the right place. 👍🏻

They could go the KI route and make the base game free with a small rotation of free characters and make optional cosmetics and characters separate to buy if they're wanting to lean towards a more casual crowd.

I assume if it was f2p they would bring over the skins for characters to get the money to support it. Putting story and other modes behind a paywall would probably kill the game.

@@sonicthehedgehog1416 no offense tho, but the thing is lot of f2p game focused on multiplayer gameplay that include lot of "social interaction" to make the game not boring and people still wanted to played it, exclusivity (or something that make them feel special) is what make people want to buy something when they already "in love with it", so basically they could make people love the game by the "core gameplay" and make them buy lot of exclusive stuff once they already in love with the game (just like skin, win pose, color customization, story for the character, rarity item, etc), the main idea of f2p game monetization is to make the player/audience love or care about the game first, then it will make them buy lot of stuff about the thing they love or care within the game (thus thats why cosmetic is one of kind to make the player feel special about something that they already enjoy and love about the game) Also there's lot of way to monetize the game just like what dota 2 did (a free core game, with full roster), and they mainly focused on "battlepass" and international tournament for the potential earning from lot of sponsorship as their main monetization (yes, skin and other misc cosmetic also a factor) My point is, just make the basic/core gameplay free, and then the other feature (like story, skin, battle pass, fun mode, arcade mode, minigame, misc cosmetic, etc) as their main way of monetization, they could also include half or maybe all of the side feature for free, but its "optional" to make it free, cuz the thing that matter is the core/basic game which will be mostly played by the general audience Basically we are not "paying for the full game" so its kinda fine if they doesnt give the full game to the audience, which back to my point that they should just give the "core/basic game" as free and monetize other side feature that arent the main gameplay of the game, so i hope that they just let the full roster free, free training mode, free frame data, free hitbox/hurtbox indicator, and other free basic feature of a FGs, but put other side feature behind paywall (or if they generous, then put the story prologue free to be played but the next chapter till finale behind the paywall), the problem with SFV lack of story mode is that we are paying "fully priced game" to just get the basic/core function of the game Again, no offense, and sorry if it sound kinda harsh

Riot has always been an advocate of f2p with cosmetics for real money, because they know that people will invest money when they are invested in the game itself. Which in turn results in people being more invested in the game.

knowing riot it will be F2P with cosmetics microtransactions . the only problem is not all hero/champion is unlock play/grind to unlock it your self like other of their game. They probably let you choose 1 or 2 hero/champion (plus some free hero/champion) at the start and grind the other

execution is not an arbitrary component of fighting games, if the execution is too easy it ultimately would reduce the depth of the game.

@@polkunus but it’s something only new players struggle with. It’s almost entirely a massive wall that makes the barrier of entry way too high for most interested people to get on board. Hell, the origins of these inputs are literally anti-player. The whole point of having these weird inputs back in the arcade days was that they were secret moves that encouraged people to keep pumping quarters in to find and master. They were literally designed to be unintuitive and harder to pull off for most people. And honestly imo you could maintain about 90% or more of the “depth” these bad inputs provide while simplifying the controls. I mean is anyone saying that DMC or Bayonetta lacks depth? They have absurdly complex combos and move sets arguably bigger than most fighting game characters, Yet those sorts of games do it all while not having inputs more complex than back, forward + button. Yes obviously you can’t just rip them out of a game with 0 consequence because they’ve been designed around the limitations they create, but a new game built from the ground up with simpler inputs in mind can easily be just as complex as a game that insists you learn how to do pretzel inputs consistently. Hell I would argue that these complex inputs are a very artificial crutch for fighting game design. Instead of designing a move to be balanced no matter what, you design it to be harder to do, and all that does is alienate more casual players and create artificial gates that pr event even dedicated players from competing at a high level unless they learn some 1 frame parry or weird combo thing or whatever. Which imo is not healthy for a multiplayer game. Games like Rocket league do this kind of thing much better imo. It’s extremely simple to control, but there’s still oceans of depth to master. RTS games are another example. All you need to control it is moving a mouse around and the ability to hit some keyboard hotkeys. Yet once again oceans of depth materialize from the actual depth of the gameplay itself. Learning how to control a game is the most boring part and it feels like you haven’t even started playing yet. Games should be designed so that the controls are intuitive and able to be understood immediately or as soon as possible. When I’m learning how to do special moves and combos in a fighting game, it feels like homework. Meanwhile exploring combos in practice modes are fun in DMC because I’m just trying out moves together rather than learning how to do the move in the first place.

@@polkunus Execution comes in forms other than just command inputs Dawg. You look at the shit people got going in battle for the grid and come back here later.

@@babadook1283 command inputs are more than just tedious shit u have to memorize. It has a lot to do with frame data and is a great mediator for people to make decisions choice and consequence decisions based on reaction time

@@polkunus this is such a dumb take. Command inputs are important for games DESIGNED around them. This is not designed around command inputs. If it’s done right (and honestly, power rangers is the only one to do it right so far, so I’m doubtful), the loss of motion inputs will have no effect on the depth of the game We in the FGC are collectively the least creative sect of the entire gaming community, I swear. We refuse to consider how game design can be different from game to game

It really does. It checks so many boxes

Divayth, what are you doing here.

@@catzor4795 Me and Yagrum are thinkin about picking up this game. Something to do between doing skooma and banging my daughter-wife clones.

I hope this works so more people go into Strive after trying this game (since it's free and popular)

@@gabrielst527 I personally don't like strive, but if more people go into skullgirls I will happy.

@Jermare Execution is a skill, thus removing execution removes some skill gaps.

@Jermare its not about the execution, its the fact the special move inputs, regardless of how fast you input them, require more premeditation, awareness, and presence of mind. A 360, shoryuken or half circle is less immediately accessible than a quarter circle, which is less immediately accessible than a button press. One button specials have huge gameplay implications and require the entire game to be designed around them, and the design decisions made to compensate for them have always been unsavory to me.

@Jermare theyre fun to do and add depth to characters, and the basic ones really arent too complicated, they just require some initial practice. Theyre not needed for a fighting game, sure, and i think riot will manage to make a fun game without them, but they definitely add more than just "overcomplicating" the game.

Fr, like he is the literal reason why fighting games are literally playable online now

Lol this is what geras could have and should have been, but NRS drop the balls hard

@@yeahboyz9314 I don’t wanna think of a world where Geras has fast left right mix setup lmao that sounds fucked. Though MK has block button so maybe not as bad.

As much as I am praying for the downfall of riot games due to my LRT (league related trauma), if Project L pushes current developers to get their shit together and actually make improvements in the genre instead of just building on top of barely function infrastructure. As long as 2 button special inputs doesn't become the norm because I hate that shit. But I will do all project L shilling needed to get devs I actually like to make better games.

HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 he doesn’t speak truth though, I love motion inputs but the only way characters will feel the same is if they play similar. There are a lot of fighting games with no input motions that work just fine.

I'm not sure, they are trying to cater to a really wide audience, and that can hurt the product. Honestly, I'm not a fan of no motion inputs, but for now I'm just gonna wait and see