One thing that needs to be said is that Brady is a phenomenal teammate and locker room presence. When he left the Pats, other players followed suit. Its like they knew things wouldn't be the same without Tom. He was like perfect liason between Bill and the players. I say this as a Brady hater.
I don't know how you can hate Brady. The guy has been questioned his entire career and is by far the greatest quarterback to play the game. I am a Brady fan not a Pats fan and certainly not a Belichick fan. Brady barely made it into the league thanks to Belichick but man he made the most of that opportunity.
@@chipsdad5861 just because I'm Brady hater doesn't mean I don't respect the guy. I wanted to see him lose and celebrated every time he did. But he kept on winning. I recognize his greatness.
This is the reason I feel Gibbs is arguably the best coach since the 70s. He won 3 championships with 3 different QBs . I like Belichick, Walsh, Chuck Noll, etc., but Gibbs was able to make the most of the talent he had. Theismann, Williams and Rypian are not Brady, Montana, Mahomes, or Bradshaw. Andy Reid is excellent , too.
@@KevinT7274 i love all three, but i was trying to be objective. it's the only good thing about being in my 50's -- i actually remember the Gibbs glory years.
@@normadamous It's a good insight. I find that people are so busy glorifying the sports idols they forget reality & context. (We do this slightly more with politicians). For instance, no one here is mentioning any of the cheats. Does anyone think Mike Tomlin would have gotten a free pass for deflating balls against Andrew Luck, possibly leading to him retiring early? Every last NFL fan would blame him directly. It's impossible to have an objective discussion when we revere sports, the league, & their decision to not adequately punish the cheaters. It creates a fear in people to ever mention the cheat again for fear of Angering their Daddy-Figures.
They were tanking last year. Belichick and Saban don't poach coaches off each other. I'm sure there was some type of agreement between Bill and O'Brien. Belichick wasn't going to bring in someone for a year
When he benched Malcom Butler the night before the super bowl, when he lined Ellis Hobbs 1v1 against Plaxico Buress in the red zone, when he gave no help to an average o-line against Michael Strahan and Justin Tuck in a superbowl..what did I miss?
Don Shula appeared in five Super Bowls with four different quarterbacks and appeared in three decades! He still holds most victories! I would say he is the Mount Everest of coaches! Rest in peace Don!!!!
Shula was the youngest coach in NFL history, in an era that youth always took a backseat, coached the Colts to superbowl III. He took that backup QB Earl Morral with him to Miami. Morral stepped in after Griese's early season injury up to mid way through the AFC championship game when Griese returned to win that perfect season superbowl. Repeat,,, Perfect Season. No one will ever beat his win record. He is the Mount Everest of NFL coaches. Bill Parcells was better than Belichick @@bconni2
He had a lot of great picks between 2009-2012. Edelman, Gronk, McCourty and Hightower were all fundamental pieces of the last three Super Bowls. He's drafted questionably since, but he knocked it out of the park in that time span. If he hadn't, I bet Brady leaves the Patriots in the early 2010s. So he reloaded the roster right when it was needed to keep Brady around another decade.
Haahahaha. Fool. Belidork didn't want Brady. He drafted him with his NINTH pick in the 6th round only to satisfy his then qb coach Dick Rehbein. He only kept Brady in 2001 because he was the cheapest backup option after giving drew Bledsoe a hundred mullion dollar contract in the off season. He tried to get rid of Brady in 2015,,, but Kraft went around him and resigned him. If not for that it is only THREE SB's. BeliDork is an idiot. It was ALL Brady.
I am old enough to remember guys like Chuck Noll of the Steelers and Tom Landry of the Cowboys both being unceremoniously escorted off the head coaching positions that they had held for so long. It is a what have you done for me lately league and no matter how high you go and for how long you do it you're always just one horrible season away from losing your job.
@bookaufman9643 I remember also those two great head coaches (Noll, Landry), and the way they left the game. By the way, for me Landry is the best head coach in NFL history; and maybe the greatest defensive coordinator in league history.
@sportsretrospective6759 Hmmm. Landry eh? The man who for some reason didn’t have a clue that Rodger Stauback was the real deal and platoon him with Craig Morton for a whole season.
@@sportsretrospective6759 I actually said that Bill belichick is one of the greatest defensive coordinators of all time. Even though he had other people coaching his defenses in New England it was always his gig.
@@MrBlackbolt1 Yes, that guy. He had success with 4 different starting quarterbacks. Led the Cowboys to championship games in the 60s, 70s, an still played in three straight NFC title games in the 80s, after Staubach retired. Roger was the best of the bunch. No question. Landry was the first to popularized different formations on offense, motions behind the libe of scrimage, double TE, RB catching out of the backfiled, flea flickers, etc. Same thing on defense. He had a different schemes for each offensive formation. He invented the 4-3 defense, the Flex Defense, using the zone blitz way more than other clubs., etc., etc .,etc. And 21 straight .500 season or better...Still an NFL record. Ron Jaworski said a few years ago: "Tom Landry changed the game". Jaws was right.
Belichick built great teams, good teams, average teams and even below average teams! It didn't matter! Brady was just that good! The bigger the moment, the greater the pressure, the bigger the performance Belichick is an excellent coach ! But Belichick's numerous mistakes were lessened by having Brady! He elevated his teams and Belichick the coach!
@@martinadavies8006 No, but you can either be Dan Marino and go down in history as someone who never won or you can go down as Joe Montana. It is a fact that the Patriots were a crappy team from 2004 - 2013. All this as a Pat's fan.
Belichick was never more than an average coach. Brady took an average coach and elevated him into the GOAT conversation. When Belichick gets his Gold Jacket, it will be undeserved and in his heart he knows this. He presided over a 20 year dynasty because of two decisions. 1st to draft Brady and 2nd to elevate Brady to back-up. He couldn't win with pro-bowl QB Bledsoe. All the same players, all the same coaches. Brady steps on the field and instantly everything changes. At best Belichick can be credited with not screwing up a good thing. Maybe that is enough to earn a Gold Jacket. Why did Matt Castle perform so well in Brady’s absence? What is completely misunderstood is that Brady’s influence on the team transcended his play on the field. Brady’s off-field influence lifted the entire team. What Matt Castle inherited was that Brady influenced team.
That hit on Bledsoe did not end his career, he played another 5 seasons after the 2001 season Edit: He's also the reason the Pats made it to the SB in 2001. IYKYK
Mo Lewis started the Pats dynasty. I think Belichick would have stuck with Bledsoe for most of that season if it wasn't for that hit. Brady forced Belichick's hand so they couldn't go back to Bledsoe when he was healthy again.
@@JohnA_VT25 Well, if I wanted to be harsh I'd suggest you reword everything. _No_ mention of the cheats that affected every S-B after the first one? Brady took the lessons he learned watching those illegally-made videos of other teams' practices & made the best of them. But cripes, look at _ANY_ other QB's highlights. *No one* had receivers more open to throw to than him. & aside from Randy Moss, he never had any top "got free because they fool the defense" receivers. Anyone think Gronk lost defenders because of his speed, tricky routes or ability to change direction? Never. They studied opposing defenses & knew that of the alignment they saw pre-snap didn't change where to send the check-downs. Brady continued doing this _in Tampa Bay._ So this affected his Entire Career. It allowed him to relax in the pocket & effortlessly throw check-downs all game leading to his second sneaky skill that is intelligent: not wearing himself out for 3 quarters, _then_ playing his best in the 4th. Of course that depended on *having* great defenses, which he always had. The Bucs went from 26th-ranked to 5th-ranked on D the year he arrived. Talk about luck. Then there was deflate-gate. Imagine being Andrew Luck throwing away your health to do your best for your team only to have the league spit on you & hand the fruits of your efforts over to someone to who didn't _accidentally deflate_ game balls for what was it, over four full years? They got caught because it took One Feel of a football to notice it was deflated. So again, Brady & Bellichick's success depended on cheats. One wouldn't risk suspension or expulsion from the league _unless they felt they needed to._ The thing is he was a defensive mastermind. I think that this is what his ego rested on & that's why his cheats were always on offense. He must still be aware of this & is still acting like a child worried he'll get caught. Since everyone conveniently forgets he's crap because they wish to idolize Tom if not him, he keeps getting a pass. He's a great DC & nothing else though.
@@choosecarefully408 Every team cheats, Patriots were better at it. The better argument against Belichick is his record without Brady. Deflategate was a load of 💩. Refs couldn't figure out the footballs were under inflated.
@@KevinT7274 1) By all means, tell me what teams are cheating & how. 2) Why would you even _watch_ it if you knew this? 3) What other teams committed the specific cheats the Patriots did? 4) "Deflategate was a load of 💩. Refs couldn't figure out the footballs were under inflated" is just you upset that Daddy was accused. They were caught at it precisely because a ref agreed that the balls definitely were underinflated. Grow tf up.
Why don't you people just look it as a team game versus one guy doing more? It's a team game, coaches win with good teams, the coach creates the environment for a good team, the coach keeps what players he wants on the team, he has to keep them happy or motivated in a way, he did that and won a lot of rings.
No room for Nuance, not like Tom Brady had super defenses that he never would have won a superbowl without, not like Belichick's Patriots absolutely carried Brady to his first 3 superbowls
BB is a fantastic defensive coordinator who will go down as the greatest coach of all time because of TB. He definitely wouldn't have had the same success without Brady but he was still a beast in his own right.
Bill has a SB win with a different team as well. He also drafted, coached and made the Ravens team that won the SB in 2000. Belichick is the greatest defensive coach ever. Tom was the greatest QB of all time. Put them two together and you get 6 SB wins and 20 years of excellence.
He didn't draft or coach any of the notable players from the Ravens team that won the SB. Ozzie Newsome built that Ravens team starting the year after Belichik left when he took Ogden and Ray Lewis in '96. All the other good players were drafted after that point or were free agent signings.
@@ftbllguy2515 I would say that Ozzie Newsome learned how to be a player personnel director and GM from Belichick (and Ozzie would also say it). Newsome couldn't have drafted Ray Lewis without the picks that Belichick had traded for while in Cleveland. While I will say it's a big stretch to claim a Superbowl win, Baltimore was in a much better position because of Belichick. And Art Modell firing Belichick? I think that wasn't the best idea.
@nunyabusiness5075 I had no idea how much backstory those two guys had. Thanks for the comment. I did know about the Ray Lewis pick coming from a belichik trade, but yeah op saying he drafted and coached them, I was like huh? Haha
@@nunyabusiness5075 Kissing butt HARD aincha. Ozzie has NEVER said he learned anything from BeliDork and it is a good thing he didn't. Dork is an Ahole, and a stupid one at that. Give Ozzie his due for what he has done. BeliDork didn't make any decisions for the Ravens and it is a good thing for them. Dork is a fool.
I was allnon board with BB being a genius, but the 2nd half of the patriots run and the post Brady years have reshaped that. Im nkw convinced more than ever that 90% of their success can be just die to them having Brady. In fact, I think BB is directly responsible for them missing out on 2 or 3 more rings because of his questionable coaching decisions, staffing choices, and roster moves. Looking back it was clear that he completely relied on Tom to just get it done no matter what.
Not only did Brady overcome being drafted as an after thought. He took himself to greatness and brought Belichick to greatness as well. Now I am curious where Belichick would be if he stayed with the Jets and how that would have played out.
Generally agree, and thought the same before TB won the SB with the Bucs... But, but, but: Belicheat won the first 2 superbowls despite the Brady led inept 2001 offense (and defense; lets agree the NFL and/or Vegas gifted this title to the Pats for whatever reason), and the mediocre 03 offense... I think the reason why Belicheat/Brady went on that extreme winning streak was: The longterm starting QB was relatively "cheap" (compared to all other teams with longterm solutions at QB), thus allowing the Pats winning all the SBs from 2003 on with a complete roster... Except for the 2018 season (in which the defense still bailed Brady out), 4 SB wins came with a top 10 defense. The years Brady had to shoulder the main load, he melted down with his 500 points offenses, as late as bad SB endings. Football is the ultimate team sport. Everything needs to go in sync to prevail, and lots of luck have to go your way too.
@@FoxxyBrown1111 The biggest reasons were like you said, a cheap franchise qb. Teams just don't win super bowls with expensive qbs. The second thing is they didn't have to invest in offensive talent because Brady just made it work. And then because of that they were able to heavily invest in defense every year. Always having forst rd defensive picks and signing big name corners.
Yes. And you can even win without a longterm starting QB (see Dilfer, Williams, Foles, Hostetler, Plunkett, Johnson, etc). All you need is a top 10 defense (or better). If your "franchise QB" Fs it up in the playoffs (happens more often than not), you have somebody to bail you out (especially PM needed it)... Nowadays, you have a 4 year window to win (with a cheap QB), unless Mahomes talks himself to wins via refs... I like the 49ers this year, maybe even the Browns. They are drinking in the last chance saloon, before the dead Watson money cripples them for years. @@dash4800
@@FoxxyBrown1111 dude what was that team in 2001 record again before Brady started? didn't they win 5 games the year before and were winless until brady started. but yea brady was the inept one. lol.
So Bill held the 2018 Rams to 3 points his defense has dominated Manning multiple times in the early 2000s defense played a great game against the greatest show on turf where they won 20-17 but this is all Brady’s accomplishments yea ok it takes both of them
@@terrancelee437 yea and the offense carried the defense in the 2018 AFCCG to get to the SB... they would t even be in the SB if the offense did t drop like 40 on KC (with Brady making a late gane drive to seal the victory as usual). Like I said, Bill has had great defenses before eithout Brady and they dont do sht.
@@terrancelee437 also in 2018 the pats had the 4th ranked offense (despite have an offensive roster that was average at best)... and the only reason they won their first 2 playoff games before the SB was cause the offense put uo 30+ points. Brady and the offense carried that team to the SB, the. The defense finally holds uo their end of the bargain in the SB and you wanna act like they were that the whole time lmao.
@@terrancelee437you’re clueless Brady won 2 SB MVPs in the early 2000s, put the team on his back against Carolina in 2003, and played great in all 3 of those SBs, was runner up for mvp In 2003, and carried some horrible offenses on his back.
It wouldn’t surprise me if it came out that before Bill lets his assistants walk, he tells them to go ruin franchises from within before he eventually welcomes them back
When Belichick can win 3 Super Bowls with three different QBs and not HOF bound QBs either, like Brady, Elway, Montana or any of those guys, but with QBs more in quality level of Joe Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, only then can Belichick be in consideration for greatest coach in history award. I think Brady proved that he was the GOAT when he took Tampa Bay to the big show in his first year with the team, so we can no longer claim Brady wasn’t great, but Belichick that made him look good. I can’t imagine how many trophies Gibbs could have snagged had he had any QB in the same league as Brady or someone like Mahomes. Gibbs believed that the offensive line was where the strength came from, not HOF bound QBs. This is why John Riggins set the Super Bowl rushing record in 1982, but when Marcus Allen took that title a year later, the same Hogs opened huge holes for Timmy Smith to bring that record back to Washington and it’s never been broken since 1988! In 1991, the Hogs allowed Mark Rypien to be sack a total of 9 times. Some offensive lines allow that each week. This was in an entire season. The greatest offensive line in NFL history is most likely the Hogs and twice giving runners the Super Bowl Rushing record is a pretty good piece of evidence. Sadly, only one of those Hogs has been enshrined in the HOF, Guard Russ Grimm. It’s a shame that Joe Jacoby, who was left tackle for all 4 Super Bowl teams Gibbs coached was once again snubbed by the HOF in 2023. Both Jeff Bostic (Center) and Joe Jacoby (tackle) have been eligible for a couple of decades now, but like always, offensive linemen are the most ignored players of the game.
Y'all really think I'll believe a wet behind the ear rookie was the reason for Bill's success for decades.. For the longest all I heard is Brady is a game manager & Belichick could've had QB win those first Championships now it's switched up because Brady's been gone 4 yrs. You'd think Bill's went 3-14 the last couple yrs the way people be talking post Brady. But I never get tired of the same people that didn't like Brady sucking him off now 😅
Belichick is a defensive genius and an above average head coach. It's clear now that Tom Brady skills in elevating the offense allowed the Patriots to spend more money on defense.
They’re spending all this time talking about Russell Wilson to distract you from the fact that bill belichek was carried by Tom Brady for almost 20 years.
Thank you all a ton for 10K views, which this video passed earlier today. I know 10,000 isn't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but for my third video ever, I'll take it. I'm working on my next video now, and have some great ideas tucked away in the corner of my brain; I think you all will enjoy them. Make sure you hit that subscribe button (: Also, as for the video you're watching, some of yall really need to actually watch the video lmao. I acknowledged that Belichick is the GOAT coach not a minute in; it's not that deep 😂 Regardless, it's all love. Thanks again for your support. 👍
Yep his SB"s are all linked to Tom and half of them are linked to cheating. In the end Vince Lombardi is the GOAT as he has 7 title s and won 5 in a row at one point with no cheating and no GOAT QB. BOOM His name is on the SB Trophy for a reason.
If you understand anything about football you know it takes MANY people working together to win. Bill’s legacy is secure, he won 6 chips as HC (and GM), you can’t do that unless you are great and you have great players and assistant coaches. TB12 was the most important player but that’s just one piece. BB hit his stride and had great teams from 2001-2018. Before that he was learning. After that he didn’t have great players/coaches (yet anyway). In 2019 the Pats lost in the wild card WITH Brady. The draft is part luck and part skill and a few bad years of drafts left the roster lacking. His best assistants keep getting poached. How many GMs kept a SB winning roster going for 17 years? 1 BB. He's made some bad mistakes (Matt P) but most of the time he's done great or he wouldn't have 6 rings as HC.
You keep blowing smoke up BeliDorks azz so you dont look like a dummy for backing his idiocy. But BeliDork. Brady won in spite of BeliDork. He galvanized the lousy players BeliDork saddled him with. Dork didnt even want Brady. He draft with his 9th pick to satisfy his the qb coach. Dick Rehbein. Then only kept him because he was a cheaper option Michael Bishop and John Friesz after giving Bledsoe a hundred million dollar contract. Got lucky when Bledsoe got hurt or he would have been fired in 2 more years. Rode Brady’s coattail the whole time. Thats right you conveniently forget he tried to push Brady out the door in 2015. But Kraft went over his head and signed. Giving NE those last 3 SBs. BeliDork is a phuckup and without Brady around to save his butt. Even halfwits like you should be able to see it.
@@nunyabusiness5075thats STUPID. BeliDork couldn't draft a good one if he was in the top ten. He wouldn't even he had the chance. He'd trade out of it. He always does. His theiving butt doent want to pay top ten money. He even screwed Mac Jone over contractually at 11. Y'all keep making excuses for this ahole.
idgaf what anyone says, the Patriots are cursed for a very long time for not keeping Brady. Winning a Superbowl the very next season solidified the curse imo.
Exactly. Phil Jackson had MJ with the Bulls and Kobe and Shaq with the Lakers. That doesn't make Jackson a fraud either, but good a coach with great players.
Without Tom Brady he is below average as a Head Coach. He will retire having never won a Super Bowl as a Head Coach. With Tom Brady as QB Bill Belichick won 6 Super Bowl championships, 9 conference titles, 17 division crowns. Without Tom Brady as QB, Bill Belichick will retire having won 0 Super Bowls, 0 Conference Titles and 0 division crowns. The Legacy of of Bill Belichick is: Bill Belichick has always been a HOF Defensive Coordinator who got to masquerade as a great Head Coach because of the Brilliance of TOM BRADY. "The Patriots Way" was always Tom Brady Bill Belichick will retire having won nothing of importance as a Head Coach without Tom Brady.
Dumbest thing I ever heard in life players only know what to do based off what the coaches coached them to do. The coach get fired when the players fail to grasp the concepts.
There’s a lot to be said seems like there’s something questionable a lot of the years. Tuck rule, deflated footballs, spying on team’s practices, video footage, headsets for the other teams not working, etc. sounds like I’m a hater which I am but you can’t deny it’s fishy that the Eagles had fake practices leading up to the Super Bowl and they won unlike last time they faced off in a Super Bowl. Just saying it’s odd
Greatness has windows. Some of the greatest ever never hit the window. Andy Reid was likely to be there if not for his 4th act in Kansas City with Mahomes.
Wait, but you didn’t even mention his super Pe wins with the giants, it’s funny how you forget to mention that bc that’s a great part of his legacy just to “prove” your point??as the best defensive coordinator in the league? He’s been an amazing coach since he’s started. A coach isn’t always successful everywhere he goes (the browns) bc sometimes it’s just not a good/right situation and it’s also tough for a coach to move from defensive coordinator to he’s coach of a brand new team.
He's just not though. I don't know why anyone would think that. Brady gave him his legacy. Without Brady...he's maybe with the Patriots one or two more years before bou ding around the league as a coach...then prob coordinator. He's just not that impressive without Tom Brady as his QB
He needs to prove it. Tom took the entire Patriots culture of discipline and confidence with him to Tampa, and turned them into perennial contenders and a Super Bowl champion. Patriots look like a rudderless ship. If Bill can’t at least make the playoffs without a HOF QB, then how is he different than the dozens of coaches that get canned over the years for the same problem?
So asking legitimate questions is hating now? Why does he not have to prove himself without Brady? He just gets to coast off his past success when his last playoff win was almost half a decade ago?
Reid was just winning every year for a decade w Eagles going to the NFC champ gm and then winning the AFC West for 5 years in row pre Mahomes yeah he was nothing not to mention he got his head coaching job cause he made a Brett Farve into a great QB in the 90s was a coach on super bowl Packers
Bill is an average coach with a worse than average attitude. He is the unpopular kid who hangs out with the most popular kid, to make himself seem cool.
All these comparisons leave Andy Reid looking better than ever. Reid deserved a SB win with the Eagles,but it didn't happen. Ive always believed Belichick was over rated without Brady.
People are now quick to say Belichick was carried by Brady, but that's such a bad take because without Belichick's genius defensive mind and genius defensive scouting, our defense would have been pretty bad or just average under Brady, not consistently top 10 as it was during the Brady-Belichick era and even post Brady. Belichick also had a knack for finding quality rbs and is more of a rush-style coach which is especially rare in this modern dominant passing era. Another thing to note is we had quality OCs such as Bill O Brien and Josh McDaniels who knew how to scout and train offensive talent as well as a genius defensive minded DC in Matt Patricia (making him OC was one of the worst Belichick decisions of his career however). I might sound crazy saying this, but if Mac Jones has a breakout year, we could see a deep playoff push and the 'Belichick is carried' argument will lose steam. It all depends on this new season.
Think about it this way 01 to 04 was dominant defense he tried to go all out with the offense from 06 to 2011 losing in afc champ games and the superbowl twice then went back to going all out with the defense from 12 to 18 so I wouldn't count him out now that they got Billy o because that defense it's starting to look scary again
Heap all the praise you want on Belichick, but make sure you fall short of calling him The Best Ever. He certainly ISN'T that. Without Brady he's looked very mediocre and when you make decisions like mysteriously benching your best CB before a Super Bowl (who by the way single handedly helped you escape the jaws of defeat the year before SB against Seattle) and when you're so full of yourself you think you can make a defensive coordinator an offensive coordinator (way to wreck your young QB Bill!) then you most certainly don't get the title - Best Ever!
As eras change and the roster of your team changes, certain elements of your coaching style and scheme need to also change to reflect the times and the construction of your team. Bill Belichick didn't have sustained success outside of his run with a HOF Quarterback, but that's normal in football I think. Most coaches no longer have their contending window open without a great field general to run the offense. His drafting is notably pretty bad over the last 6 years, and his weird interest in replacing Brady just makes the current QB situation all the more laughable. His real achilles heel these days is that it's no longer a league where being a defensively minded coach works anymore. Too many rule changes, too many transcendentally gifted offensive players, too many dynamic offensive schemes. Belichick's never had a good offensive framework and he doesn't really have notably good OC's throughout his tenure. His legacy as one of the greatest, most successful, most acclaimed coaches of all time is secured, but will his legacy go untarnished in today's offensively dominant league? Most likely he won't last much longer. Everyone's time comes due, and it seems it will soon be Belichick's time to retire.
BB is an all time great coach. That being said... Not sure he wins multiple superbowls, with NE, without Brady. Don't know how long he would've been there if they had multiple mediocre seasons with ___ as qb. He may have moved on and coached at GB, or SF. Not sure how many Brady wins without him. The relationships pushed that organization into greatness. IMHO Salute 🥃
As a Patriots man that was born and raised in Houston Texas I must say that it is Bill Belichick‘s fault that the dynasty is no longer and he needs to be fired and replaced immediately if you don’t share my same opinion please comment
Y3t brady didn't turn it on in Tampa Bay umtil he taught the bucs coaches how to adopt the patriots offensive system. Because the learning curve to succeed in the Tampa system was so steep it could very well taken years to perfect
@@Noah-lj4jj havent made the playoffs in a decade either at that time. 30 picks? So what. That teams stacked right? Surely they would have found ways to win regardless.
Except it's hardly the system Belichick created as much as its a system TB is great at running. B.B. is honestly a highly over-rated coach. Who owes his legacy to TB12
Ever hear of a rebuild? People really don’t know football. Patriots had to dig themselves out of bad drafts from 2014 thru 2019. They do not have one single player left from those drafts. They were so bad. That’s what happened. GM Bill Bellichick screwed Coach Bill Bellichick by drafting crappy.
Most dynasty teams need to enter a rebuild phase every 5-10 years, Bill Belichick kept the Patriots out of a rebuild for nearly two decades, and Tom Brady (coincidentally I’m sure) left the team as soon as they finally needed a rebuild. Belichick is the greatest defensive mind of all time, even after Brady’s departure his Patriots team’s defenses have ranked 7th, 2ND and 11th, and even had the 6th ranked offense after just 1 season without Brady. The only thing holding Belichick back is that he hasn’t found a reliable QB to replace Brady, but once he does it’ll be back to dominating, as not only has he supplied QBs with elite defenses for over 20 years, he’s also supplied his QBs (Brady) with above average to elite offensive support as well, as Brady’s receiving weapons, running game, and offensive line have been statistically better than other all-time greats of his era, like Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. A big wall to face however is a change in division. During all of Tom Brady’s years with Belichick, they played in a division that was in contention for the worst division for 20 years straight. Coincidentally, as soon as Tom Brady leaves the East, a guy named Josh Allen decides to be a top 3 QB in the NFL, the Dolphins become contenders, and the Jets improve as well. So not only is Belichick facing a QB vacuum, but his division has gotten *extremely* more difficult since Brady left, that’s not on him. Even with Brady’s departure it only took 1 season before they got a top 10 offense and a playoff berth in a harder division than Brady ever played in, and while they did lose first round, it was to a juggernaut Bills. Bill Belichick may not be the single greatest head coach ever, but he is the greatest defensive mind of all time, and supplied Tom Brady the tools he needed to become known as the goat. Once Belichick finds a new conservative passer with average physical skills who is careful with the ball, or in other words another Brady, he’ll be back to winning rings every 3-4 seasons. Though not at quite the pace as with Brady due to the division’s rise in competition.
@@brlyjo Yeah I mean by 2021 the AFC East had grown much more difficult than the NFC South, but the year that he actually left, the NFC South with Drew Brees and Matt Ryan Saints and Falcons was much harder than the AFC East, in fact Brady didn’t even win the division that year! So while Brady did leave to a harder division, after just 1 season his old division got a lot harder and his new division got a lot easier
@simon_carrick8198 I agree with your analysis. I'm just saying Brady knows how to consider all the factors. Even going to the NFC seemed to be a good move.
Belichicks CAREER Head Coaching Record w/out a Tom Brady 79-89. Not even a .500 average Head Coach. Way overrated. Since he kicked Brady out the door, 25-28. He's the biggest con of a Head Coach.
Problem is hes a defense 1st thinker. And in modern day NFL you as a head coach are only judge off your Offense. Last three years his Defense have been scary. People forget that with Bryan hoyer and Stiddam he almost beat the Cheifs.
A Defensive thinker that won Superbowl 25 and stopped a Bills team that beat the Raiders 51-3 to be there. BTW that defensive plan now resides in the football hall of fame in Canton.
defenses scary 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. dude his defense stat pad against garbage teams and get torched by everyone else. their is a reason they only beat 1 qb who wasnt benched last year
@@VMan29397 I seem to recall this Belichick HC guy won with defense in a 13-3 Superbowl victory in Feb. 2019......Ancient history, yeah not like the modern NFL. I also recall a year before that a certain QB on Belichick's team threw for over 500 yards in a Superbowl, how did that happen with this "defense first" coach?
The reason Bill I struggling is because the NFL is turning into a league of sissies. He’s a hard nose old school guy. The game has become virtually unrecognizable.
He's one of the best in a "Touchless QB era" He never had to take the hits the previous generations did, it was a lot more vicious back then. The media and their bullshit journalism makes you hate the labels they attach to Tom, as well as other players. Other than cameramen you don't need any other form of opinion to love football. I'm a Dolphins fan. :)
@@crankybastid2197I think you’re forgetting how old Brady actually is. Dude won 3 super bowls in the era where you could hit the QB. Literally 20 years ago. Go look up “Nate Clements hit Tom Brady”.
Thats why i can't stand sport's fans sometimes when someone is Winning yall give them all the prase and admiration but when they stop winning now he sucks or you question his legacy the man had superbowl rings before he even became the head coach for the patriots and not only bill drafted Brady when no one else thought he would amount to anything
He got those Giants ring as a staffer not a head coach, as a Head Coach all he has proven is that he can't win without Brady. Also Nfl is about what you've done lately, no Patriots fan cares about Old rings from the 80s, 😆 that brings no comfort when your current team sucks, got "Mary" Mac jones as the qb, and you probably gonna be dead last in the division.
@syminite1 bro Winning 7 rings as a head coach should never go away that what u done for me lately shit is ridiculous its alot of coaches right now who haven't won a dam thing and still have Jobs plus he was the defensive coordinator for those giants teams something u or me know nothing about so stop dick riding Brady number 2 no one wins without anybody in sports so that's a mute point
Truth is sonny boy. BeliDork didn't want Brady and didn't think he would amount to anything. You need to do some research before you say stupid things. Look up Dick Rehbein. He was BeliDopes qb coach at the time. He is the one who went to bat for Brady. He is the reason was NE drafted Brady. It was Dorks ninth pick of the day. it was a throwaway pick. He did it to satisfy his qb coach (who contracted cancer and died the next year) and then rode the Brady's coattails for 20 years. T Always taking credit for something he doesn't deserve. Yep... that is BeliDork
Too be fair the entire pats dynasty is shady with multiple cheating scandals but let’s be honestly Brady is overrated to me, I believe you could put both mannings, rodgers, mahomes, allen, Big Ben and numerous other top QBs from his era on those teams and they would win just as much if not more superbowls , Brady went to a team that had plenty of talent to win they just needed a qb and he brought even more talent to win just for good measure, a qb just needs to throw the damn ball , a coach needs to put a whole team together which is significantly harder to do
all the cheating scandals surrounding him and the Patrots are so blatantly ignored by everyone.... It's like everyone forgot the deflated balls, spygate and bounties on other players. When he was finally not able to continue doing these things him and Brady were never the same, hum wonder why...
@bradywalton1380 That's because Roger Goodell told them to destroy all the evidence and everything else. Why you think he gets booed every year when the NFL draft.
@@bradywalton1380 Worse the NFL itself deflated the deflategate scandal by collecting ball pressure readings the following year and once they have collected the information and analyzed the results. They were advised by the NFL legal counsel to destroy all the documents and analysis regarding that story to avoid any future litigation.
Honestly, even though Brady was the reason why the Patriots won all those titles, it was Belichick who gave Brady his shot and didn’t automatically go straight back to Bledsoe after Bledsoe had come back from injury. Even though Brady had outperformed Bledsoe, the prevailing thought at the time was that a starting QB did not lose the starting job while recovering from an injury. Belichick didn’t care. And had Belichick not done this, Brady may never have had another shot. Give Brady the credit for making the most of his opportunity, and give Belichick the credit for sticking with Brady even after Bledsoe had fully recovered.
No he wasn't. He wasn't even the reason they will against the Rams. That was all Bill's defense. And don't get me started on the 3 SB Pats won off the leg of Adam Vinitiri. Amazing how people forget.
It's a team game but let's argue about who did more for who lol. It's a team game, it takes a group. Damn this shit reminds me of politics, it takes a group of people to destroy a country, not one president.
You really can't compare what a backup quarterback does to what a starting quarterback does. If you have a backup in there then your chances of winning aren't very good and that doesn't necessarily land at the feet of the head coach. If you take out any starting quarterback in the NFL your chances of winning plummet.
@@VeggieRice how so? Watch the in-game betting odds when a starting quarterback leaves the game. There are a few teams that are about the same from starter to backup but that is not the case with good teams. This year may be the year that my comment is least true but it's still true.
@@arcadiusgamingofficial their quarterback suffered a major elbow injury, their OL massively regressed after whitworth retired, and a lot of their splerging on 1-year win now deals and trading away their picks came back to bite them.
He went 7 and 9 in 2020 with cam newton, the next year a playoff apperance and then the following year barley missed the playoffs honestly probably should have if the raiders dibalcle didnt happen. i know pro sports is what have you done for me lately but i can name atleast 6 nfl teams that would be satisfied with that 3 year span its not realistic to win the division every year for a decade plus pats fans need to realize that its not normal and wont happen again.
Don't forget the 6 years before Brady became his qb... not to mention that 2nd year you mentioned they got absolutely destroyed in embarrassing fashion in the 1st round of the playoffs (showing they weren't real contenders).
@@keenannash2947 Right he was subpar in cleveland but had one playoff apperance to be fair literally everyone whos gone to cleveland hasnt faired well at all besides a few people. and i hate when people bring up the word "contenders" like yeah i get it they didnt match up against the bills or the chiefs but once youre in the tournament so to speak you have a chance any given sunday but if you want to continue living in a world were everythings cut and dry then so be it. But they were still top 10 in rushing offense and mac had a pro bowl alternate so in any case it was better then the previous year getting rid of mcdaniels is what turned things worse imo.
@@trayisraw no... this is where history is important. The Cleavland Browns that Bill coached left Cleavland an became the Baltimore Ravens. It was actually the Ravens that fired Bill, they had already moved cities and changed the name before firing him that off season. It's understandable that people don't know this, the current clevland Browns are an expansion team that started in 1996, but the league wanted to help ingratiate them with the fans who were still upset their team moved so they gave the Ravens franchise history as the Browns to the expansion team.
@@keenannash2947 Well according to wikipedia it says that he was the browns head coach from 91 to 94 and dont say anything about him being a head coach until 2000 with the pats but i do know about the whole thing where he was the head coach but quit before the season and went to the pats only leaving a note explaining his departure so yeah he has baggage but seems like most coaches do to some extent.
@@trayisraw no that's something completely different. What I am talking about is the Browns moved to Baltimore. Bill couched the Browns in 91-94 and in 95 the Browns moved to Baltimore and became the Ravens... they had already moved cities and changed names when they fired Bill, but he was fired in the offseason before they played their first game as the Baltimore Ravens.
I'm okay with this. Of course, I always thought Belickick was crooked, smug and unlikeable. I'm glad the NFL is experiencing a changing of the guard as far as elite coaches are concerned.
Donovan McNabb is one of the most underrated quarterbacks in NFL history. Imma bucks man who had to watch Donovan McNabb evolve from a running quarterback to a complete and utter nightmare to play
All of this is stupid when put into context. We can agree that Bill didnt draft offensive talent in brady's last year and brady won because he had a compotent offense. Once he didnt have said weapoks he fell off a cliff. Brady stays in NE his fall off comes sooner. 2021 Pats make the playoffs and last year its missed because by one game despite an abysmal offense and 4 out of the 9 loses were winnable, like cmon
I've been saying this for years as a Tom Brady fan. But Belichick is a great defensive mind, a good manager overall, but only so-so when it comes to an actual good coach. Tom Brady is an enigma that breaks all of the standard football mentality. Brady is what made the Patriots special the majority of the time. I think the Pats could have gone to the Super Bowl with Bledsoe in 2001-2002. But after that is when Brady took over the team and made it the reason they won. As long as he had decent tools around him and a serviceable Defense to "bend-not-break". Brady would win games, and did. While I largely agree that the lack of support Tom was getting was a big reason why he left. The ego of Belichick was another reason. I think at some point (or he always did) Belichick believed he was the reason the Pats won, and he could have done it all with or without Tom Brady.
Bill hasn't won a SuperBowl without Brady? And ?!?! Did Bill Walsh win any without Montana? Has Andy Reid won any without Mahomes? Does anyone think Brady becomes the GOAT without Bill Belichick? Bill believed in Brady, and had the giant brass balls to continue to play him with the highest paid QB in the league and former #1 draft pick riding the bench. The decisions to draft Brady, keep him as a FOURTH quarterback on the roster his rookie year, and to go with him over Bledsoe to win the first Patriots SuperBowl are genius level decisions in retrospect. He had the insight and determination to make them in real time. The Patriots do not have six SuperBowls with any other coach in history. Bill is the GOAT.
Reid was still a winning coach ask mcnabb 5 straight nfc championship games hmmmm Bill sicked b4 Brady bad AF Now after he is average at best Minus Tom and Bill is butt cheeks facts #'s don't lie
@@alexdenty7041 Coach Belichick has six Super Bowls as head coach of the Patriots. He also has two additional Super Bowls as defensive coordinator of the Giants.
Cmon, let's call it for what it is. The Patriots level of talent the last couple years is no where close to any of the 2000s or 2010s Patriots. Anyone remember how phenomenal Brady was his last year in New England? How about this past year in Tampa where he had similar talent around him like the Patriots did? 8-10 & get crushed by America's chokers in the 1st round. Football is a team sport & Belichick & Brady BOTH struggle with lower to bad teams around them.
What? Are you saying when your first round pick is normally 25th or later overall for damn near 20 years straight it's a bit hard to put together a quality roster and eventually finishing so well every year takes it's toll?
If you don't think those Patriots teams couldn't of won those superbowls with Manning, Favre,Rivers,Marino.. they went 11-5 with Castle, and not The Punisher
They went 11-5 with the same roster as the year previous (who went undefeated in the regular season). That's a five-win dropoff. Also, Matt Cassel left the Pats and made the Pro Bowl with the Chiefs, so it's not like he was a bad QB. Let's not be absurd.
Are we forgetting that an undrafted cornerback won a Superbowl with an interception on a play that they practice in training camp...? And damn near every single super bowl the Patriots won there was at least one crucial turnovers forced by the Bill belichick defense.
@@cheekoyywith a top defense and two pro bowl receivers…and a Chiefs team without their two starting OTs. That ring he won in Tampa came with an insane amount of luck lol
@@TrueValience yeah it’s so annoying how people act like Brady went to some 1-16 team and single-handedly turned them into a Super Bowl-caliber team. That Bucs team was 7-9 the year before, would’ve been 8-8 if their rookie kicker didn’t miss an easy field goal against the Giants, and could have easily been 13-3 at best and 11-5 at worst if Winston didn’t throw a record number of INTs…which would’ve made them a playoff team since the Vikes made the playoffs that year with a 10-6 record. The 2019 Bucs were a playoff team disguised as a bad team. All they needed was a quarterback who wouldn’t throw 30+ INTs to be a contender and Brady fit that. I’m pretty sure Case Keenum could win a Super Bowl with that Bucs team lol
Im sorry but you cant claim a coach is the best when every single accomplishment is linked to the greatest QB ever. The year Tom left he went on to win a super bowl while Belicheck hasnt recovered since. I pray he keeps coaching another decade to make clear the fact it was always Brady
Wow, wonderful point. It's almost like you need great players to win championships. What a groundbreaking argument that nobody has ever thought of before
As a pats fan, hear me out. If it is another losing season this year, Belichick should lose his GM responsibilities. As a defensive mind, he has not lost his edge at all. Despite the debacle that was the 2022 pats, defense was still top 10. This man cannot draft offense and has been so inconsistent with scouting offensive talent.