Ivy League School Vs. State School - Which One Is Better For You? 

Both my daughters went to VA state schools. My oldest went to medical school at Duke, anesthesia residency and fellowships at MGH, double boarded in anesthesia and intensive care. Just paid off her “brain house” ie medical school debt. My youngest has an English degree, works for the government and earning her masters, making six figures. Neither had undergraduate debt b/c we paid into VA tuition program. Unless there is an extraordinary reason to pay hundreds of thousands for undergraduate school, just don’t, especially if you don’t make an enormous salary or your family isn’t wealthy.

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Tom, since you used a picture of Royce Hall at UCLA as emblematic of a "state school," I felt compelled to give my thoughts. However, you don't seem to be someone who might get into dialogue or heed those who comment on your posts, so I'm guessing that this may fall on deaf ears, but nonetheless I will respond for those who do read YT comments, and hope you don't word-count me. Let's go over some various industries (or possibly sectors) of employment: engineering and tech, business & commerce, law, health care, entertainment. . . and I haven't meant for these to be all-inclusive. Engineering and tech is indeed an employment equalizer for state-supported (or just "state") institutions. There are the MITs and Caltechs of the world, but most of your mechanical, electrical, computer, aerospace/aeronautical, chemical, materials, computer, computer science with engineering, as well as SWEs have been educated at state schools. (Obviously I've included CS as an engineering science, but for which isn't at some colleges.) And since most of the chip/hardware and software companies are in CA, the University of California (9 undergrad campuses) are the leading feeders to MAANG, Cisco, and the others. There are also a good number of aerospace employers in the state like Northrup Grumman, the Aerospace Corporation, and Space X, for mechE and AeroE types. There are companies and firms in CA for the various other E majors also. UCB whom you disparaged, does feed the most CS majors to the tech companies including MAANG, and UCLA which has roughly half the amount that UCB does feed a good number to those five companies and the many other software companies within the state. Btw, UCB has actively reduced the number of straight CS majors, because before, all one needed was a 3.3 gpa in a couple/three of classes to get into the major. UCLA requires admission to its E school upon entering the school, and the rate of acceptance was 3% in 2023, and it could dip below that in 2024. UCSD like UCB has a lot of Math/CS and CS majors, but maybe not as much. So my point here is that the overflow which is prevalent also in Stanford's CS major's intro class as well as a handful of UCB's CS classes (>1,000 students) is a function of having a lot of CS majors. Even Caltech has large CS classes, and undoubtedly MIT does also. And if you feel especially alone as a Dartmouth grad working at Google, then maybe you could go into quant, which would be more an eastcoast-college type feeder (or feeding?). In business and commerce, you mentioned the MBB firms as especially one of privilege. UCB places well in the three, and UCLA is starting to do so, also. Before BCG and McKinsey never hired UCLA grads as recent as five years ago, but there are certainly more now. And unlike UCB which has Haas undergrad, UCLA doesn't have an undergrad B-major, so consulting at UCLA is across many majors, and being that there are close to 10% math majors at UCLA, many of these are getting very good placement into consulting, IB, and higher finance because of their quantitative backgrounds. Some are combining Math/Econ, Econ, and Bus Econ with Statistics and Data Science, the computing specialization, and/or Data Science Engineering. UCLA also has a very heavy stats and math based major called Data Theory which has placed some into MBB. I don't doubt that the Ivies, etc., place best at the MBBs, but the highest paid consultants there have MBAs -- what, about twice as much as one with just an ug degree? -- but why would one want to interrupt his/her employment history 2-5 years down the road? I'm going to shorten my message, but Law is somewhat an equalizer, but there are lesser ranked law schools that specialize in lucrative things like real estate, and general investments, etc. UCLA Law is great in entertainment, and a lot of UCLA students major in Music Industry or minor in Film/TV specifically to go into entertainment management and or law. Health, i.e., medicine, dentistry, pharmacy, nursing, are great equalizers like engineering/CS, and it's the state-school grads who seem to be the hungriest to defer their careers until 30 to make bank in, e.g., medicine. I'm concerned about the word-count so that's all I'll say. And the idea that the elite privates including the Ivies have tiny classes is absurd. Maybe at Dartmouth because they are the smallest Ivy, but if a major is in high demand as E and CS is at MIT, or CS at Stanford, there will be large classes. And your thoughts are a bit outdated based on your shorts, especially since there are no colleges that you can stereotype as being exclusively wealthy. And sorry if my thoughts are a bit disjointed, I've been trying to multitask.

I like your video style! You seem like you will be very popular one day :-).

I'd love to see your take on some other types of Universities. I guess with Jesuit universities, a running gag could be: "I went to Loyola", followed by "which one?"

Career services and access to financial networks are the best reasons for selecting an elite school.

Woohoo! I went to Dartmouth for grad school - good times.

Great insight!

One of the most underrated RU-vidrs ever

You have a lovely voice. That’s it.

In my country State Universities are better than Private but opposite for Secondary and Primary Schools

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My Dream job would be to work at Nvidia Because they're the only trillion-dollar company I actually like. or maybe to work at Netflix But i don't know if I would need to go to an Ivy league school to work at Nvidia or Netflix.

It's an "alumnus," not "alumni."

2023-24 rankings As of U.S. News & World Report's most recent 2023-24 rankings,[14] the top 11 national universities, which are universities that "offer a full range of undergraduate majors, plus master's and doctoral programs", and "are committed to producing groundbreaking research", are: 1. Princeton University (Princeton, New Jersey) 2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Cambridge, Massachusetts) 3 (tie). Harvard University (Cambridge, Massachusetts) 3 (tie). Stanford University (Stanford, California) 5. Yale University (New Haven, Connecticut) 6. University of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia) 7 (tie). California Institute of Technology (Pasadena, California) 7 (tie). Duke University (Durham, North Carolina) 9 (tie). Brown University (Providence, Rhode Island) 9 (tie). Johns Hopkins University (Baltimore) 9 (tie). Northwestern University (Evanston, Illinois)

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