Jake Kaminski - I brought a Knock-Off Archery Riser and regret it - Response 

The Legend anecdote was interesting to hear. I had a similar experience. I use and review their bags and quivers and had no problem. They uploaded my content onto their channel, I flagged it and they got struck. I got an angry email saying that I should have contacted them, that THEY sent ME the equipment for MY channel, etc. And I said yes, and I did my part of the deal and made genuine positive reviews, but they don't own my video. I said I was happy to make an arrangement to make content for their channel. Suffice to say, I haven't received any approaches from them since.

I can not wrap my head around this video. You made it just to ensure thet no one will call "because Jake said so", but it is ok that the riser will explode in someones face because the manufacturer added wrong limb-bolts? Crazy. 100% with Jake on this one. The bolt was not checked, it was a dangerous product as is, Jake rightfully addressed it.

I really enjoyed the grounded talk about running a shop. There's so much that an individual will miss because they're not working with the sheer numbers of bows and sales. I might get _one_ sample. It's probably a good one. On a very rare occasion it might have a fault. But the reality is that the one sample I have isn't representative of the product - or of consumer demand. I don't do a lot of exhaustive testing for products and decline to do things like speed tests and limb comparisons because the average consumer doesn't know or care. My reflections and recommendations, both online and in real life, come down to the basic trifecta: look, feel, and budget.

Jake got a really bad bow riser and warned the public. seems like a reasonable response from a fellow archer.

Sorry, I don' think you have a leg to stand on here. Thats a casting vs a CNC machines part. No comparison other than the 100% stolen shape.

Steve I think you've missed a lot of what Jake was criticising. The crushed box wasn't a criticism of the box itself but how the seller packaged and shipped the order. That box is really should ship within another box. Weighing a bunch of other risers to compare to the TBow H8 riser doesn't really achieve much if you're not comparing it directly to Hoyt Formula Xi weight which the H8 is a copy of. Jake felt that his H8 felt lighter than a Formula Xi as he had used them in the past. Everyone agrees that the tiller bolt he got was bad. Was it the wrong size or the tapping on the riser the wrong size? Don't know as Jake didn't measure it. BUT it does allude to very poor quality control at the manufacturer if they allowed a bow to ship with a tiller bolt that you could wiggle with your hand straight out of the box. The riser is advertised as cast, if they missed a simple QC issue such as the wrong size tiller bolt what metallurgical issues could the riser have?

I think the point Jake was trying to make was that you shouldn't buy from a vendor who shows so little care that they would ship a riser with the wrong sized tiller bolts (sure it's a "minor" issue in that it could be easily remedied, but not so "minor" in that it poses a serious safety risk to the kind of consumer who may not know any better) or not bother to pack it properly for shipping. Jake wasn't saying people should shell out more money for the "genuine" article, but rather spend the same money on offerings from manufacturers and vendors who can be bothered to deliver a good, safe product.

I’m really happy at how well you are doing after heart surgery. I wanted to say that. You’re a great archery resource.

There's nothing wrong with cheap risers, and there is certainly a need and large market for them. There are plenty of budget risers out there to sell that aren't copies of another company's product. It is hardly morally acceptable for a company to make direct copies from other dedicated archery manufacturers, and gain leverage from the development costs, marketing, reputation and other factors from both large and small companies like Hoyt and Border. There are a number of points that don't seem logical in this video, like using a different model of Hoyt riser (looks like an XD perhaps) to compare with the TBow copy of an Xi. Also, what relevance does the fact that one person has never seen a particular item have to the acceptability of breaching valid patent or copyright? The defence of selling an ethically dubious product by saying that if they don't sell it, then someone else will, seems like an abdication of reasonable ethical standards. I suspect that there are sellers of many potentially harmful physical and chemical products who make the same justification.

😂 "He was a French guy. Really arrogant." I have yet to meet a French person who WASN'T arrogant.

Damn I just love how down to earth and honest you are talking about your experience, its so true. Thank you for the review, and story time

You spoke from my heart with this video. That's how the world is. It's nice that there are people like you. Greetings from Austria.

I returned a H7 (xceed) the limb bolt had a lot of play and also didn't lock. Wasn't as insane as Jakes but it was enough I didn't feel comfortable shooting it with the amount of play and having no lock meant it would move and effect my tiller. That put me off since it was a fairly easy QC check.

Sorry mate, but you are wrong on this one. There really is no defence for knock off bows. I understand not everyone can afford the top of the line stuff, but there is plenty of good budget equipment on the market without supporting Chinese IP theft and poor quality control. You even stated in this video they have sent you bows with the wrong tiller bolt in the past. Thats a massive issue and shows they have no idea about what they are doing and are not taking the time to ensure the safety of the product. The fact you have not seen anyone shooting the Hoyt that riser was based on does not justify selling knockoffs, nor does "well they will just buy it from aliexpress" because as you literally state in this video beginners walk into a shop and buy what they like the look of, they are not going to go seek them out on the internet. Trying to hand wave away dodgy business practices such as stocking dangerous poorly made products as "the consumer needs to inform themselves about what they are buying" is just poor form. Not all the companies they rip off are as big as hoyt either, as demonstrated by your review of the "tbow storm" a few months ago a blatant rip off of the Border tempest a bow made by a small UK company. These bows are not something anyone who says they care about the sport should be supporting.

I shot a Hoyt Dorado over the weekend, the owner of the bow is the guy who owns my local range, he bought a Tbow like you have there just to see what it's like. To be honest it's not that bad. It is a little twangy but with some harmonic dampening it quietens down to something rather respectable. The grip on the Dorado is to die for but the Tbow grip is too wide, they sell an alternative wooden grip for it which he has but it's still a little too wide in the palm area. I was shooting them both barebow on a 3d course and as far as stability goes there's nothing between them. I'd say the Tbow is a great gateway into archery, cheap and does what it's designed to do.

His point on limb bolts is still valid. Some inexperienced archer is going to buy that bow online and shoot it with the wrong limb bolts and it will break. If they don't care enough to check the bow they sent to Jake is correct, I doubt if the rest of the bow is very well made.

For starters, Jakes knowledge and experience far exceeds yours and is an unbiased opinion as an Archer not a salesperson/bussiness owner, so to say someone is wrong from your stand point without doing your own indepth reveiw of the claims your refuting is just ignorant. Jake addressed alot of your points and more about it being "identical" you are clearly rushing through, glossing over it and not actually taking any measurements to support your claims of them being "identical". Jake did, and as a result you clearly just come across like a salesman trying to save face and retain sales.

I saw Jake youtube on this riser, You say wrong lim bolts looking back at the video/ the lim bolt hole was oval shape on the riser. ?

Hey Stephen, love your videos love your channel i’ve been watching you for many years now I appreciate this response and hearing your side of it. I also watch video from Jake when it released and I kind of felt the same vibe. I think you might’ve gotten from it but I won’t say he’s wrong. I know where you’re both coming from and I appreciate both of your videos, I firmly disagree with many of the salty people on here. Looking to put you down for making this response and I want to say that I truly appreciate you offering an in-depth look at this issue from your side. Best wishes to you stay strong glad to see you back in it after the surgery

Have you had much dealings with the Buck Trail Nobleton Traditional Phenolic ILF Riser if so what are your thoughts

I think the general thought is that quality control on these bows are not as tight as the more reputable brands. the acceptable bell curve for error is much wider so more defective bows will slip through the net.

I refuse to believe that as a shop owner, you've never seen a Formula XI before...

My first compound bow was a PSE Thunderbolt 60lb lightning cam that I bought from a gun -firearm range shop in small town , Wisconsin. I had Easton aluminum arrows with my setup , and after a few years needed new arrows . I went to a reputable archery shop in Milwaukee,wi to buy new arrows and string , and they looked at my bow and arrow size and determined the size wasn’t the best for bow . I went with victory carbon arrows of course and it turned that bow into a real tack driver. A good archery shop will give good advice to consumer . I ended up buying a new bow from that same shop Diamond Deploy SB A COUPLE YEARS LATER , but my old bow was so much more fun and accurate after the advice I didn’t go anywhere else to buy a new bow .

Kiwi viewer here. I love your reviews and your honesty. Also love how you do reviews on both brand names and also the Chinese made bows. Very helpful to those of us who aren't that knowledgeable. Your 40 plus years of experience is mush appreciated. I only wish some of the other RU-vid were as unbiased and honest. Keep it up, love your stuff.👍👍👍👍👍

Nothing wrong with an inexpensive good value bow, but this is a cheap knock off. There are some great entry level compound and recurve bows these days, doesn't have to be a flagship model.

I had a guy shoot the Tbow riser in our QRE and it was a replica of the Hoyt exceed. We compared it with one of the competitors who had a real Hoyt riser but we could only real see very minor details. I think it will be good as a secondary bow instead of a main bow. In Melbourne their is a shop selling Tbow risers called Topoint archery.

If you carefully unfold the cardboard into a flat sheet, it'll fit almost perfectly with another piece of cardboard that factory cut. It might be a different type of box, or it might be the same box, but that's why they have random curves. There's another box that has the inverse curve.

My initial impression was that the riser looks a lot like the Formula Xi. I feel your criticism of Legend was fair, and that your advice to customers that there is no warranty is good consumer advice. You should expect to pay for quality. Same with this riser. Powder coating is less. But China has lax IP laws. Maybe it didn't sell well for Hoyt, or maybe it did. But it doesn't mean you get to take someone else's ideas just because their idea wasn't as popular as that company hoped. I want to say I do agree with your point that archery shops should stock target models, even if only a few. Yes, this bow does offer something of good quality to someone on a budget. Because the factory producing it in China did none of the research and development that made this good design. It was Hoyt that paid for the research and development. If Hoyt suddenly disappeared tomorrow, would the factory making this inexpensive copy of Hoyt's riser take on the cost of research and development to advance technology for archers, Olympic, barebow or compound? They would not, it is not their business model. I sympathize with archers who are entering on a budget. I am sure it is the same for people wanting to get a start in golf, ice hockey, or cycling. I hope archery grows this year and for years to come, in your country and mine. I don't have any magic answers to these big questions.

I like both Jake Kaminski and your videos and think you both are right. I purchase a fair amount of stuff on ebay, alibaba, and amazon and it is now common for people to break a product and return it and get a full refund. And because of the volumes of these products, they probability rarely get fully checked before being resold. Budget products have less QC at the factory and then in addition for all the returns and resellers, there is a fair amount of broken product circulating. The fact that the box in Jakes video was busted up could mean it was a sold as "new" but was in fact a "open box" being sold as new from a reseller. I recently purchased a "open box" (return) push up board from amazon (physical training for archery) that arrived without handles in the box. If the bolts are stripped and could fail then that is a hazard where someone could potentially loss an eye. But I think for the most part this is a more rare event if you are purchasing a completely new budget riser being shipped from China. If worried, buy the same product on your countries ebay, possibly pay a little more, and get a 30 day return window as shipping back to China for a budget item is not practical. Also, if anyone had to fill a long video with product review points you are bound to nit pick to both be rigorous and fill the time. I recently purchased a full archery kit and wanted to buy all the big ticket items from my local shop, and all the small stuff from lancaster. The shop actually either screwed up my order completely, or charged me strange amounts, (one moderate item was 30% cheaper than lancaster (old sale amount?) , one 2x as much...but overall about 30% higher than lancaster). But I do indoor shooting there and wanted to keep a good portion of the sale there and was prepared for the higher cost to help keep them in business. I had to keep emailing and calling the shop because of the errors. QCing the receipts. The wrong riser was corrected but I was too late in realizing I got medium limbs instead of long and many other issues (mixing another customers arrows with my repair arrows, running out of the arrows I requested a month prior, etc etc ). I did not complain to the owner for the awful experience and make a stink because I did not want to feel any bad vibes when I go into there to shoot. I started shooting at another shop closer to my home and their workbench looks OCD clean and organized. If behind all the counters it looks like a bombs hit it, expect chaos.... I believe this too is a rare occurrence and most shops are not like this. I would trust that riser and in fact I would hope that company would make a budget 27" riser because they do not seem to exist. I now need 2 more inches because of my wrong limbs and I already have my dream riser and absolutely refuse to get a second unless it will add value to my archery experience. Jake said in one of his videos he used to prefer longer risers with shorter limbs, so I want to try that setup if the price is right.

Thanks, I'm convinced to buy that TBOW now and I can buy some for friends!

You are very clear that you feel no responsibility for what you sell and that selling is what really matters to you, which is your choice. The truth however is you do and should have a responsibility for what you sell, i have followed your channel for 3 years, this is the first time you have really disappointed me (polite version of my feelings), as I have just unsubscribed it will also be the last time I am disappointed in your views

Love you man. Keep the truth coming.

At our club you arent allowed to shoot any bow over 60lbs as well. Same with comps as far as I know

My Nika ET-12 riser I received just over a month ago looks alot like the Hoyt riser. It has the same limb pockets, the same cutouts in the riser & it weighs 2.8 lbs. The grip is every bit as good as if not better than the Prime compound bows I've shot in the past. It weighs 2.8 # & it shoots great. Couldn't have been happier. The case it was shipped in is every bit as good as the great socks that come with the Nika N-3 limbs. Things r changing & it's becoming hard to maintain transparency in archery target or traditional archery market.😮😅

4:02 "My impression is that this is an old Hoyt riser." So, it is ok for a company to outright copy it? Junxing is literally, blatantly, outright stealing Hoyt's IP as a business model... they steal their font, their box, their sleeve, their components and their riser designs, and make a business out of that theft by copying them as close as they are able to (poorly). Jake bought a riser out of curiosity and made a PSA for archers. You go at Jake to support and go to bat for a company that does that? Why? Do you believe that is a good way to do business? Is that the kind of company you want to support and back, to attach your name and reputation to? You missed the point Jake brought up about the stickers... Jake mentioned that the marketing images Junxing uses are actual Hoyt risers with the HOYT stickers replaced by TBOW stickers, and showed how easy it was to replace it. Just FYI, that Junxing H8 "old Hoyt riser" you are referring to is the Hoyt Formula XI... it was being actively sold around the world as early as 3 months ago as of your posting of this video. It was recently replaced by the current Formula XD model that you show in this video which has also been copied and is being sold by Junxing as the Tbow H10. Junxing is also selling their Hoyt Xceed copy as the H7 if you were unaware. They also have carbon copies of Win&Win and now Border risers as well. You support all of that by with reality of owning a bow shop? While I understand 95% of your business is beginner archers... to me that still doesn't come close to justifying supporting Junxing IMO. Jake mentioned in his video, and you mentioned/showed in this one, DOZENS of budget risers from actual legit and honorable archery companies that came up with their own risers that you have the option to support instead.

My concern is that when you promote Chinese copies the companies that produce the original bows will lose money to invest in new products and eventually may just stop doing so No one can develop new products just so that china can copy it and sell it cheaper. I worked in the UK in a company that produced electronic equipment for the navy and a Chinese company got hold of our equipment and then produced it and sold it at a tenth of the price Guess what, we don’t sell it anymore

It's IP theft. On behalf of everyone who has had their ideas or designs stolen, shame on you.

Extraordinary talk, and your honesty and professionalism really shows. I was one of those guys with a budget bow and a limited budget to upgrade it; you and your staff were amazing.

I just bought the Tbow from you a few days ago and it comes in a plain brown box without the bag 😁

sob story for what? does the fact that you had to work mean others didnt? dont put down others successes as a result of privilege without knowing better.

Yip, that's how it works. People are very budget minded and rightfully so, and you have to start somewhere. I have a reasonably well paying job but I still can't afford those high cost bows and arrows, I get what I can afford. I am looking forward to the test shooting. It'll be interesting.

Hi, I believe that both Jake and Steven have a burning love for archery and only desire that it grows. Both, I believe have not come from privileged backgrounds and have had to make great sacrifices for their passion. I hope that these guys do not fall out over this, as they both are striving in their own way of bringing more people into a sport and trying to ensure that it is a sport where those on a budget can improve and get better. Personally I feel that what they both offer along with the likes of Armin Hirmer and NuSenei is much more than all the Federations put together offer to the general archer for free. I don't believe that Jake was personally attacking Steven but within the comments it was obvious that many were negatively alluding to Steven in all but name. Personally I stand by both these guys as they both have a desire to grow archery for the masses and not to keep it for those who can only afford the best. Don't fall out guys your on the same side.

Great video. No nonsense. No BS. Always good to stop by and watch a video here 😁

The compliant was that the thread was wallowed out in one of the screw holes. So basically a qc stuff up which Hoyt has also had. Its made by people. CNC tooling changeover from worn to new has an effect or didn't clamp it properly or the sent out the wrong screw. Numerous ways to stuff up but without doubt Chinese stuff has improved and in the blink of an eye as happened with Korea welcome to the top tier at which time people will start complain about the price and this whole thing will be repeated with Vietnamese bows.

I bought the Tbow out of curiosity, mostly because it was cheap and I wanted to know what all the fuss was about. I use it with 40lb limbs, and I can honestly say that it has not given me any problems whatsoever. I have shot it for hundreds, if not thousands of shots, and it works just fine. I've even used it for a few competitions and one indoor tournament. In a nutshell, I have two silver medals with that bow and one gold medal for the indoor event. That's my experience with it.

Spot on! 👍👍

I'm all for cheap equipment. I know you have a vendetta against Hoyt/Easton. Carrying direct copies, literally molded and cast from the originals is pretty unethical. I'd encourage other manufacturers ripped off by TBow, like W&W, to refuse to do business with you.

Another honest straightforward video, keep it up Steven

Always great to hear your opinion. As a reviewer of archery equipment l have found or heard of issues with multiple bow manufactures- Bodnik, Hoyt, Bear, etc. I think the best advice is to go to an archery shop and purchase your bow - buying online is fraught with issues. I realize this isn't an option for most but if you are going to pick up target archery you really should talk to a shop owner. WRT the IP issue... I don't love that the design was used without permission if that is the case. @JakeKaminskiArchery probably should contact the OEM and do an updated review if indeed the limb bolts are not the correct ones. I suspect that most TBOWs are tapped ok and some are not. Anywho.. good video and nice to see your perspective as a shop owner that sells TBOW.

Interesting video as always, Steven. Thanks!

The Junxing TBow is a nearly 1:1 copy of the Hoyt Formula Xi. The Junxing on this video weighs 2.83lb = 1284gm, which is HEAVIER than the advertised Hoyt Xi weight which is 2.7lb = 1225gm.

Thanks for the video, I have some 18 bows purchased from Junxing, including the Taow bows, I have had no issues with any of the bows.

Recurve or traditional is very hard, at least for me. I generally get more satisfaction out if compound shooting because it’s easier and feel way more confident

The reviews from archer are different than seller. Archers are easily came out with bias idea because they're can ran their mouth with less risk. Seller can't do that because it can give them bad reputation and the brands/manufacturer will avoid them from selling their products.

Never care about color I paint them how I want. I go by length and how it fits my hand and if it is LH . Comfort and line of sight is more important. My current I have been using for the last few years is a Junxing, To Point Trigon and a Predator for Bowfishing. I have had very expensive Bows and go back to more value Bows 🤷‍♂. I would by the riser if it fit good

Love the passion you put into your reviews Steven. Timmo

Yeah, but where did he bring it? I’m 8 minutes in and no mention of where he brought it.

If they have good quality, good product control, they should do there own riser, not coping others.

So... Is it ok for poor people to steal of buy cheap stolen things? And is it ok to sell stolen good to poor people? To me your point of view on intellectual property and morale is skewed - at best.

I have a lot of respect for your reviews. However, in the event you have not seen it Jake did a follow on to his original review. He goes into more detail including footage of a catastrophe failure prior to reaching full draw. Check it out and see if you still hold this view point.

I currently own a Legend case or two. NEVER AGAIN!!

Steven, the issue Jake was raising was the bad qc releasing this bow from the factory , do not attack this person for raising a safety issue with this product. Not everyone is a super smart experienced archer, they would not think to check the issues Jake reviewed. You should be backing him for raising these issues. Great you were an Aussie champ not quite an Olympic champ. The issue was and is a crappy unsafe product pull your head out of your arse and acknowledge this safety issuep

Iam an archer, There shop owners (in it for money) and those in it for the frame and then the ones (help newbies don't see much of this )

Even on just the box you missed the mark. From a distance, yeah it’s all cardboard. Jake shared closeups that highlighted the differences.

I purchased the black wolf carbon riser and the grip is so lose and cut wrong no matter how much you tighten it still moves so buying expensive doesn’t mean quality. Im changing the grip so im not fused but the point here is all bows that are mass produced your bound to get some with issues.

Are these cheap risers cast magnesium or machined high aviation grade aluminium? Are the cheap risers rated for limbs over 38lb? I understand beginners would not shoot 38lb but intermediates could well shoot 40lb+. I have seen a bow snap at the handle. It's dangerous. TBow don't just rip off Hoyt and WinWin they rip off the small guy like Border Archery. A manufacturer with a handful of employees who all need to feed their kids and are not driving around in Mercedes saloons. None of their stuff was/is made in China. It's made in a shed in Scotland with their own R&D and expensive CNC machinery. Border have been pursued by the guy from TBow trying to get manufacturing details so they can rip off the Tempest riser and sell cast copies for peanuts because they can due to no IP and employee rights in China.

There are many factories in china (or other cheap labour countries) that make quality stuff for big name brands. It happens a lot that stuf is made that does not meet the standards of the big name brands and its trown in the bin. But someone in those factories like to make an extra buck and sell those parts that are rejected, often under another name, sometimes as original for prices to good to be true. Its hit and miss, if you are lucky you get a very good part that has been rejected due to a scratch or a finish problem. In the worst case you get a piece of scrap metal.

My point of view as an American if a larger company files for usa patent protection on their product then outsources their labor to a cheaper market and a comparable product is produced im all in after all i run my budget much the same way save cost as long as its effective......

I think the problem was that the guy always says negative things because is chinese and a copy he never focused just in the issue or verify if this was a specifc error for a specific stock... and he always says these kind of things because he alwys uses expensive things, he never talk about of good quality products and cheaper... so for me the problem is not the issue the problem is the privilige he talked... so it is nit about one issue it is about that for him everything was wrong... if you see the comments here you can see that a half says that never had that issue and the other 40% said exactly the oposite...

Hi Steven, i think a lot of the archery public simply dont know that a significant amount of archey gear, components ,bows, limbs and arrows is made in china, even for the major know brands. Perhaps you could do a video explaining this and also that there are OEM factories making parts for multiple brands.

I am your top fan now 😂 Thanks for the honest review Steve

The economic issues world wide is bad. The consumer must shop within his means or just not participate in any archery sport. Bear in America is the working man's bow. Unless we go at Foreign companies like Topoint and Sanlindra.

I agree with everything mate people don't know the cost of archery 40 yrs ago and that's why I only buy from you

I bought a tbow because of your review and have been very happy with it. supposed to be a copy of the Hoyt satori, it very well may be. I couldn't justify $1000.00 just to fling arrows in my yard. I'm sure I would shoot the Hoyt just as poorly. Love to watch you shoot and love your videos.

Based on his experience, including Olympic Silver medals, I'm with Jake Kaminski on this. I would never consider buying anything from your shop as you have never held or shot a Hoyt formula riser.

I find myself struggling with the ethics delima of should I purchase a bow I really want that is an obvious clone of a high end bow I cannot afford. One one hand it's excellent value and the other hand people will always criticize me for my purchase decision. I do believe in Capitalism and free trade but I wish every country had similar IP rights laws

You are selling stolen property. You are happy to do that. That speaks volumes on your integrity.

Clearly a Hoyt rip off? Fortunately I'm not buying a box. Boxes get damage in shipment. I seriously doubt the manufacturer of a bow sends out damaged boxes. I believe Jake Kaminsky's main point was that the taped hole for the limb bolt was elliptical. When Jake screwed the limb bolt into the riser, the bolt rocked back a forth. I don''t care if you spend $250 for a riser of $1,250 for a riser the manufacturer of the riser should CAREFULLY inspect the product BEFORE shipment to insure; ONE (1) safety of the user. A novice buying bow for the first time may not know what a limb bolt does and/or the safety issues associated with POORLY made product. As a responsible , knowledgeable , quality dealer I'm sure you inspect the bow before selling it to the customer, AND if there are any issues you address those before the riser or bow leaves your business. HOWEVER pity the novice who buys to bow on-line or from a less than quality dealer. CONCLUSION: Caveat Emptor i.e. Let the buyer beware. I believe that was the point of Jake's critique. FINALLY: The riser Jake had in his hands was crap. At least the riser limb bolt taped hole in your riser appeared to be taped correctly. Good luck.

This is just a guy that wants to sell you something, literally anything even if there there is no guarantee of the quality

the box being squashed is the shipping companies fault not the manufacturer

Love your videos and you make great points here Steven. I also think its super important that there are options for all budgets. I could or would rather never spend the money on a new top of the line bow... I dont mind that bow manufacturer steal each others ides, think that allways been going on. But I am not a fan of this when they steal the exact geometry. Maybe its just my untrained eye that cant pick up the diffrensis since Jake said he could see it clearly. Also never realy looked at these H-seires risers and the "real" ones side by side.. Anyways I think Jake also makes great vids tho I think he is bias in some ways where he have gotten stuff for free just like I think your a sales merchant and might be leaning more towards some brands somtimes. ;) Anyways love these vids and its good to see you in stuch good shape after the suergery. You came back quick and your looking good!! :)

6.10 - "What bow do you want?......How much do you want to spend?.....I don't care what you buy". 10.38 - "If you have a problem with manufacturer or a product, you go back to the manufacturer" - Why? The customer's contract is with YOU. YOU go back to the manufacturer on behalf of YOUR irate customer. Take some ownership man. Your advertising dollars and time are largely spent acquiring new customers. Retaining them costs next to nothing. Be the best.

I ve just started bow hunting. I am finding out that archery has a lot of elitist people and a lot of gimmicky branded crap. I like your no BS stance keep up the good work people just get angry because they are being deceitful and don't like being called out on there BS

Pretty pathetic to call Jake privileged, he worked long and hard to earn his sponsorships. Its not his fault your career as an archer was a failure

Thank you so much for your content i wish one day i could visit your shop.

I am thinking the Tbow company is legit in Australia...but the junk ships Stateside. Because everyone knows the Chinese wouldn't copy a design...

Wasnt Jake talking about the cheap ali express copy of the Tbow? Or am i remembering it wrong?

...32 minutes of whining...

Next time stop in the Netherlands instead of USA, more recurve than compound. Even better: next November there is 'kings of archery' here. Why not join? Drop a line what you think.

Stephen is crying because Jake mentioned “Aliza archery” in his video instead of Archery Supplies!

I watched his video a couple of days ,i thought the same thing about the limb bolts , i was like it was probably sent with the wrong bolts, why i thought that was the same reasons as you explained, maybe he should have contacted the manufacture and told them what the issue was first then after he installed the right bolts he could have done a different video perhaps , Great video, stay safe and god bless, hope your health in improving

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I think your approach to even making this video is out of line. Firstly it seems a bit hypocritical that in one part of the video you complain about how the bow case company from France wrongs you and seemingly you expect everyone to agree to your side of this story without even showing this bow case or photos of it to us. And then in the next part you disect every element of a video that had nothing to do with you, with a product you don't even sell, all under the guise that it couldn't have any validity or that it somehow isn't true because your experience of 40 years suggests it's not possible? Look back at your videos and try and objectively consider the fact that you are often very critical of manufacturers for a wide variety of reasons. I don't see other reviewers criticizing your opinions publicly? Was it such an inconvenience that some possible new customers may call you about his video that you felt so compelled to create this one? You don't even sell this bow anyways. Clearly the bow Jake received is defective. He was providing his account of what he received. The fact that you didn't receive a bow that was in the same condition as his doesn't mean the company isn't shipping out defective versions. Your video is eluding that the brand in question has never done wrong. When you could have just stayed out of it. Or simply show your own unboxing and perhaps give Jake some credit for his experience and suggested that everyone needs to be aware of possible issues and maybe go into how to identify a manufacturing defect. The beginner archer should be thought of especially regarding their safety as they enter a sport that does have a level of danger associated with it. It's not always obvious to a new archer with little experience or more importantly anyone with limited mechanical aptitude that the bow Jake received would be unsafe. You should rethink this and perhaps try to take a less aggressive approach or simply stay out of the conversation. Yes I do think Jake should have contacted the manufacturer about the issue to see what they would do in response. With that in mind, did you try to contact him before you directly attacked his posting? Maybe, maybe not? I kind of lost some respect for you on this one Steven.

I really loved this video. Keep on doing exactly what you are doing. Thank you.

The Junxing riser is a copy of Hoyt Formula X from 2019 that weighs in at 2.76lbs (1252gram), the Junxing weight is 2.83lbs (1283gram). There is a big difference in how the dovetail is. I would suggest to focus more on the comparison of the two risers, this video is hard to watch - you're jumping all over the place like a skittish squirrel

Well done mate, you got all the way to @23:03 before telling us what a great archer you are. Pretty much every other video I've seen of yours you absolutely can not wait to blow your own trumpet. Which is funny because in those videos your technique is clearly pretty aweful compared to, say, Jake Kaminsky? Or......my 2 year old daughter. Yep, @31:55 !!! BUY QUALITY SECOND HAND NOT dangerous junk

Got my view from jake but only long enough to write this 😂😅yer welcome

As someone that hasn't picked up a bow since taking archery in college many moons ago, but has a casual interest in getting one just to do some "plinking" in the backyard, I definitely see a market for decent introductory bows at introductory prices. No disrespect to Jake or his video as that particular bow DID had a significant issue. But, his advice to buy used isn't feasible to many since all the bow shops, as well as al the archers, around my parts are only interested in hunting with compounds or crossbows. Finding a selection of used recurves is pretty much not doable in many parts of the country. But, as someone that "might" pick up the sport, and "might" also bore with it quickly, spending $1000 + just to see, doesn't make sense. High prices of the big name bows would kill the sport if not for these inexpensive alternatives, some of which will hook newcomers who will then upgrade later down the road. We've all bought and own TONS of products made in China. They CAN build good stuff. The one biggest issue with many products of not just Chinese manufacture, but also origin(Chinese company), is in lax QC. Some are good to go, and some are absolute crap, like the example Jake received. My advice is not to avoid at all cost, but rather buy from someplace that has a reasonable return policy. Skip Aliexpress! Buying from there may save a few bucks, but if you get a bad one like Jake, it's money down the drain. For example, I was looking at the Tbow copy of the Satori. On Amazon it's $20 more than on Aliexpress. BUT, on Amazon it has a 30 day return. So, if there's an issue, just ship it back to Amazon. If it's good, shoot the thing. Same with a store like Stephen's. I seriously doubt that if one buys a Tbow from a reputable retailer that you'd have any issues at all as I'm sure the seller would never let it leave the store in an unsafe condition.