#JW #ExJW #Apologetics This Chicken Scratch will look into the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, specifically, their belief in two classes of Christians. Is the anointed class, or the earthy class biblical, and can this be disproved?
YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING AMAZING!!! The moment I realized as an Ex JW that I was a Child of God, and I read the Bible on its own with the help of Holy Spirit, everything you mentioned became clear. Two groups are the Jews & Gentiles and God through Jesus united us and we have the same eventuality. I spent over 25 years (most of my adult life) indoctrinated by the Watchtower Organization. Jesus set me free. May God bless you and your work❤.
Same here! ❤❤ also it is based in an anti type of the “Jehonabad class”. The literature explains how the great crowed and the other sheep are the same but it is only based on assumption that there are second fulfillment to Jehu and Jehonabad
Thanks for sharing. I was born-in and deceived for 20-something years of life. By the mercy and grace of God I started to understand Scriptures in context and was horrified to see how they have strung along verses taken out of context and taught us to reject Christ and His promises. I always appreciate when other Christians who have never been JWs take the time to try to reach people because you are in a much better position to help wake them up. God bless. 🙏
I have many jws in my family and have read much of their literature . I always felt like there was something just not right . After reading the bible from front to back those scriptures jumped out to me . If you try to explain to them , they can’t see it or refuse to see it and will end the conversation. Very sad .
I have been studying the bible since I woke up over five years now I appreciate updates like this, it helps me when and if! I speak to any family. I can’t wake them, but Jesus said not one will be snatch away, , since this is the case I believe any family still brainwashed will wake up .
Thank you for debunking this false doctrine of JW’s! I left the religion 2 yrs ago! This is one of the teachings that woke me up!!! Just read your Bible’s JW’s!!!!
How did one become a JW in the first place? Filled a form? Gave a bribe? Or just self appointed oneself? Everyone on Social Media is not a moron to fall for scams.
@@tongakhan230 Most are born in. No one joins a cult on purpose…if you understand the tactics of a cult you understand why people join in the first place.
@@virginiagirl7014 : Who can be born a JW? That would make no sense. God is gathering his true worshipers in these last days as promised at Micah 4:1-5. There naturally, are children who have been raised in a JW environment. They don't automatically become a JW. These too have to QUALIFY to become a true worshiper. As do all who are taking God's command seriously to get out of their religions (Revelation 18:4) and come to true worship which has been restored.
Tonga Khan….you don’t understand stand. It has nothing to do with scripture! When you are born into a JW family, you are expected to join the religion at a very early age, baptism. If you realize, as you get older & start critical thinking for yourself that you no longer believe or want to be in the religion. If you make this choice, you will loose your family, friends & community, who are all JW’s! That’s why they only associate with each other…they have the “truth,” everyone else, the “world “ is Satan’s system & doomed to death. This religion is a cult when you research all the signs of a cult.
@@virginiagirl7014 : That comment sounds fishy. No one can JOIN JWs. Even those who have been born into a JW family have to QUALIFY to become a JW. Many who make such comments on these scam videos have never been inside a Kingdom hall. Hoping that everyone out there is a moron to fall for any scam is pathetic. This is the 21st Century. Things can be CHECKED.
Please do read, danniel cha, 2,v 44 ,'and psalm.ch37'people li veing on earth, forever,,, on earth,,, undeserved kindness for anyone of us,, prov 30-v 14 , keep strong, john ch 5 v 21,
@@deus_vult8111 no it doesn't as that is only until the resurrection, just says, as you all say in the Matthew model of prayer does, that the heavenly kingdom would come to eart-h. The truth of all that and much more, is to be found within your own h-eart, as promised. 🤔❤️🔥💐💯
Appreciate your perspective. Sharing a view point. & may be partially true, but assure you, not emphatically correct. His word alone is Truth. At present we know dimly. We continue growing in Light Of His Word, being taught by Holy Spirit, “Until the Day is firmly est ablished and a day star rises in our hearts”. I do believe there may be many more things (sur-prisingly) revealed to us. Latter rains assured the church (Body of Christ) Things none of us yet have (accurate) understanding of… to aide ripening the Seed. Let the wheat & the tares grow together…Until then, may we each wisely choose (5 wise 5 foolish) discernment. to adopt the one & only true Potentate , One perspective, that being our LORD God’s gospel Truth; “May EVERY man be proved a liar but He (God) be found true”! Amen
There is *one* body and *one* Spirit, just as you were called [in] *one* hope of your calling; *one* Lord, *one* faith, *one* baptism; *one* God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6
@@LightoverDarkMinistry All different churches including exjws apostate are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible Mathew 7;21-23,1JOHN 4;1???????.??????
Wow great video! They get caught up with the assumption the Jews got cast aside forever when they rejected Jesus, and now everyone can be a spiritual Jew. Well, I say everyone, but it’s only the special elite JW class that qualify.
A great multitude that no one could number! But this is not the case with the organization for they count every year and they know the number of their member who are the great multitude.
Absurd isn't it. Their excuse is, "Oh well you don't know who truly is and isn't" The CONTEXT of the passage is a number so large you can't count it, not an accurate number.
They don't and can't number the dead, therefore the resurrected would make it impossible to number. Besides God isn't about numbering anyway. There's a great crowd, be thankful!
Love your ministry. I will sharing this with JW family. However, I know they are going to bring up the scripture regarding the meek ones possessing the earth and residing forever upon it. How is this reconciled with the belief that Christ followers go to heaven?
Good question. Those dying now in Christ are in heaven with The Lord. You see this from what Paul said about “out of the body, present with the Lord,” or the martyrs in heaven in revelation asking God when they will be avenged. However, heaven comes to earth as it says in Rev 21. This is Eden restored. God was with his people in the beginning and that’s how it ends. So Christians are with God, in a new heaven and new earth that are joined.
REV 21:3,4 GOD is Coming here not them going up there. God's Tent is WITH Mankind, Ps 37 Righteous inherit the earth and the wicked are the ones leaving.
The a-millennial theologian Archibald Hughes once directed a lady to study the New Testament for information on the millennial kingdom. According to the report of Hughes , this is what transpired: "Many months later this lady came to me and said she had followed my advice but could not find a single reference to any millennium". I said, "well have you learned something," She replied, "I have learned nothing!" I said, "you have learned something, for you know now that the New Testament has nothing to say about a millennium". Archibald Hughes, A New Heaven and a New Earth, p209
May I query as to how one became a JW in the first place? Filled a form? Gave a bribe? Or just self appointed oneself? There are some intelligent people who also use Social Media.
@@tongakhan230 Tonga I encourage open and somewhat heated dialog/debate on my channel, however if start disrespecting people, hating them and being rude, you're not welcome here.
@@tongakhan230 everyone gets into something as a child since our parents teach us that "it's true and obey" but no we make our path theres no bribe or anything and what about ppl on media?
@@Cros.crypt25 : People are generally brought up in the religious environment of their parents. Those brought up in a JW religious environment don't automatically become a JW. They have to QUALIFY as do all others God is pulling out from all religions in keeping with his promise at Micah 4:1-5. One's comments sound suspicious as one cannot leave something that one was not.
Yes he does. He found me, washed me, redeemed me, and now I live in confidence and freedom, changed from the terrible person I once was, knowing I have eternal life. Praise his name. Love to know your thoughts on the content, and any recommendations.
@@MrPoohman1981the name of the God Father is "YHWH". Good luck figuring out how did the hebrews pronounced that 5000 years ago. But Jehovah is an english version. The church accepts this as the name of the God Father
@@eiredaltaprobably impossible to pronounce but we should not call him a newly created name. No prophet nor men of old knew him by that name. His son said when you pray call him father.
Its all make believe and you can make the bible say anything by cherry picki9ng and interpreting the way you want. It is itself constructed as literature and then manipulated as an apologetic work.
Jesus said to the man on the cross next to him "today you will be with me in paradise". (Luke chapter 23 verse 43). Where was he talking about??? Was this man one of the 144000???
Not possible to know, perhaps if he was Jewish but the Bible is silent on his race. The 144,000 are the Jewish remnant that are saved, and what follows in the chapter are the gentiles. Both go to be with Jesus on paradise/heaven.
Satan is subtle. In the KJV a masonic translation, they use a "," (comma) before the word "today". It should be after to understand it correctly. Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise. Many sinners (as are we all) believe in killing themselves to be in heaven, to escape their hell on earth. But Jesus said, he that "endures" to the end, will be saved. And besides the scriptures tell us that God is a god of the living, Not of the dead. So in layman's terms. To be dead is to be without God. So many (too many) people are tripped up by the translators misplacing of a simple comma!
@@dirtyratjim Two things about the "today". Firstly, Jesus always says "Truly I tell you......." then expects us to understand, whatever follows it absolute truth. He is extremely consistent in that phrasing. The comma is for English just reading it in the Greek it's understood. In the Greek, it's bad grammar to say, "I tell you today" It's like saying, "Now I speak directly to you today." Of course, you couldn't say it yesterday or tomorrow. You have to twist scripture and ignore Christ's words to make preconceived doctrine fit. He promised the thief heaven (which when Paradise is given location, it's always heaven) and as Jesus said, where I go, you will be also.
Jesus was dead and stayed dead until God resurrected him (Acts 2:32). Logically, he didn't go to any paradise. Jesus was walking on the earth after 3 days. No paradise still on earth. Thus, it was a promise for the future. The 144,000 are people CHOSEN from all mankind who are Jesus' DISCIPLES (cf Revelation 5:9,10). No one could have been chosen prior to Jesus establishing his 'Church", logically.
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Rev 21:3,4; "The tent of God is with MANKIND, and HE WILL BE WITH THEM and they will be His people, And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death and mournign shall be no more." Notice it doesnt say 'They will be with him' ( In heavan). Also Gen 1:28 is clear thats God's original purpose was for humans to live in perfection on the earth. The Lord's prayer includes a request on our part for "God's will to be done on EARTH, as it is in heavan". Clear biblical proof that humans will live forever here on earth under the Kingdom rule of those priviledged to be taken to heavan. So there are two 'groups' of humans who will have two destinies. However the 'other sheep' and great crowd' are not necessarily an earth 'class'. Yet JW's are right in respect of the future for the earth. The churches teach 'all good people go to heavan'. With them there is no 'second coming' no 'rerturn of Christ' to settle accounts with those 'ruining the earth' ( Rev 11:`18) Mankind, according to the churches will continue to grow old, suffer and die. The world conflicts will go on 'ad finitum'! So JW's are right in some respects here. I am Not a JW myself, but I am aware the churches are very wrong in so many traditional doctrines.
I don't believe in any doctrine but I think I'd rather live on Earth because I might demand real answers from God on why he let so much go the way it did.
So are the anointed not righteous? Did you watch the end, heaven comes to Earth,Rev 21. Correct me if I’m wrong, but JW’s believe that the righteous and unrighteousness are resurrected on a paradise earth. So is Psalms wrong?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry No, Psalms is not wrong, only u r. The RIGHTEOUS will POSSESS THE EARTH And LIVE FOREVER in it. This doesn't mean that GOD did not take some of the righteous to rule as kings and priests as Rev 5 mentions
@@Mr.DC3.1914 whoa! It says they will inherit the land and live on it. But Jesus inherits the earth and all that’s on it. And all those adopted as sons are heirs with Christ. Meaning it belongs to them too. But that’s the anointed. Again, your “proof” texts actually disprove the doctrine.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry actually psalms 37:29 states "The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it." so it is the EARTH that they will possess. And guess it says they WILL LIVE FOREVER ON IT. Understand what LIVE means? very CLEAR and yet u cannot see
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Yes. All believers will be in a new heaven and a new earth. When heaven comes down to earth and God lives among his people. Which is what Christians believe. This verse in psalms does not prove your earthy class, it only reinforces Christian doctrine. You are creating categories, the text doesn’t mention 2 classes of Christians, you are trying to make the Bible say something it isn’t.
@ 4:44 your explanation of the 144000 being about the Jews is in error. We know this because the tribes listed do not represent the entire nation of Israel. There was never a tribe of Joseph and Levi belonged to God. The two tribes that are missing are Dan and Ephraim. Therefore this cannot represent the nation of Israel because the list in Rev. 7:5-8 is incomplete. And if one believes that this does represent actual Jews then the list is in error.
I did a video on this actually. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E8XrzP0Ge94.html, think I made a pretty strong case that they are Jews, but we can disagree.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry you say the whole scripture is symbolic including the number 144000. Then you conclude that Israel is not symbolic but represents actual Jews.
@@frontRunn3r587 context should determine was is, and isn’t symbolic. Also the entirety of scripture. In that area, given the context of that is being talked about, it’s easy to conclude they are speaking of Israel. Then, more symbolism surrounds the man theme.
@@jahtruthdefender Revelation 21 is clear that heaven and earth are joined. And Galatians 3 and 4 is clear that there is only one group, one hope, one class.
@@jahtruthdefender Busy week, posting new videos and work. "I’d like you to elaborate on both your points, especially Galatians chapter 4,5." >I'll condense what I was going to say, and give you examples of how the Bible doesn't give you another class besides the Children of God, you are either a child of God, saved, or a child of wrath, unsaved. There is no middle ground. Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba! Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. Galatians 4:31 31 So then, brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman, but of the free woman. 1 John 3:9 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother and sister. "In light of do you consider yourself to be going to heaven." >Yes. "If so, How does the bible assure you of this?" Because Christ historically rose from the dead, and his word, his person and his work can be trusted. Therefor as his scripture says, Acts: 16:30-31, Acts 2:38, Ephesians 1:10-13, After repenting and accepting the gospel of Grace and being sealed with the Holy Spirit, John 1:12 I have an guarantee to overcome, 1 John 5:4, and that is heaven, with God 1 Peter 1:4. Only possible, because Christ has forgiven me of all sin, 1 John 1:8-10, Eph 2:6, Col 2:13-15, and given me a knew heart Ezekiel 36:26, 2 Corinthians 5:17, one that is seeks after God, and will look upon him in glory Matthew 5:8. "Does that make you one of Christ’ brothers?" >Yes Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God, this is My brother, and sister, and mother.” John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Who is our King? Even jw's will admit that it's Jesus. But here in Zechariah 14:9 of the new world translation it says: 9. And Jehovah will be King over all the earth.l In that day Jehovah will be one,m and his name one.n The King James version says: 9. And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. They've replaced the Lord with jehovah. Either way way you look at it, Jesus is God. The Lord is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
Study it out. The translation, KJV took out God's inspired name, Jehovah and replaced it with LORD over 7,000 times. The irony? They left his name in only four places!?? Imagine you authored the Scriptures and feeble minded "translators" took your "inspired" name out of your book? I'd be pissed. Jesus is as Jesus said, God's Son, not his father the Almighty Jehovah.
@@dirtyratjim that's what satan does, he accuses others of what he's guilty of. It's called transference. For example, Russell and Rutherford deviated from the original scripture and changed it to fit their agenda and narrative. That's called apostasy. They are the true apostates, but then they turn around and call people who want to leave the lie, apostates. The first generations were taught what you're saying and kept it going till the current generation. So of course you're going to believe that. It's all you've ever known, even if it's wrong. The bad part is that you teach others that same doctrine, even helpless children. You are offending them with lies. 2. It would be better if you were cast into the sea with a millstone were hung around your neck than you would offend one of these little. ones. Luke 17:2
@@dirtyratjim And Jesus answered and said unto him, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.’” Luke 4: 8 When Jesus gave this command to satan, He was talking to satan not people. So satan takes what Jesus said and twists it and says "see see, he said serve and worship God only" Then controls the leaders(apostates now)and changes the doctrine to fit your narrative which is to serve jehovah only. So you're actually obeying satan's command. Us true Christians are to worship and serve Jesus, just like we worship the Father. 23. that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:23 How do you honor the Father? Serve him, worship him, sing about him and spread his truth, just like we should honor the Son. If you don't, you're not honoring the Father. Then who are honoring? Satan?🥺 God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.(The Lord) Jw's are like catholics and other false religions, on the broad road to destruction.
This may help. Ezekiel 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, my servant David, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become their shepherd. 24 And I, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain among them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken. David had long been dead when this prophecy was written. Jesus certainly isn't David.
@@dirtyratjim Here is the problem for Watchtower. YHWH=Godhead. Father. Son. Holy Ghost. These are YHWH. The Godhead. Watchtower teaches; YHWH=Father. Father=Jehovah. In scripture, LORD is a title for YHWH. LORD is a title shared by Father and Son. LORD is used extensively for Christ in the Old Testament. The Tetregramaton represents our Father, the Son, and the Spirit. The Godhead. Watchtowers teaching that YHWH=Jehovah is faulty. This erroneous belief creates false theology, false god, (Jehovah) and false Christology. Nothing like that can be found in scripture. Our God is one God. Not one PERSON.
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now? JESUS IS Lord! His Lordship was MADE - See Acts 2. Who is the Sovereign Lord? He is different from Jesus as mentioned in Acts 4:24, 26, 30 There is no term God of gods or Creator or Maker used for Jesus.Acts 4:24 - who is NOT Jesus and who is called Sovereign Lord - "one accord to God and said: “Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth " Who is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Jesus who is the Anointed and the Sovereign Lord's SERVANT as Acts 4:30 mentioned "through the name of YOUR holy servant Jesus.”" Acts 4:26 - one against Jehovah and against his ANOINTED one. GOD IS NOT A LITERAL TORTURER. GOD is LOVE. He only gives eternal life to those who exercise faith in him and his Son (John 3:16, John 14:1) and NOT TO WICKED people. The Wicked will VANISH AND WILL BE NO MORE. Psalms 37:20 How many is Jehovah? Trinitarians say there are THREE Jehovah. What does the Bible say? There is ONE JEHOVAH and NOT THREE JEHOVAH. Deut 6:4. - “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah WHO IS THE STAR IN NUMBERS 24:17? That is Jesus. It is the same Hebrew word used in Job 38:7 for the morning stars. So as Jesus is called THE BRIGHT morning star (REV 22:16) so also are the other morning stars(angels). So Jesus is the CHIEF Angel with the archangel's voice (1 Thes 4:16). Jesus is called Prince of Peace in Isa 9:6 and the original Hebrew word for Prince means PATRON ANGEL which is the same Hebrew Word used for Michael the archangel in Daniel. Jesus is the High Priest and the High Priest is NOT GOD himself. GOD DOES NOT WORSHIP HIMSELF : John 4:22 -You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Jesus Included himself IN WORSHIPPING THE FATHER. ONLY A CREATION WILL WORSHIP GOD. If the holy Spirit is a PERSON then now you have MANY PERSONS IN ONE GOD. REV 5:6 - seven eyes, and the eyes mean the seven spirits of God.SO NOW YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL SEVEN PERSONS IN GOD. Who is the cause of Salvation? Both GOD and the lamb are saviors, Rev 7:9-10, even Jesus needed to be saved by the Father from death as the Father is the SOURCE OF LIFE AND SALVATION , Hebrews 5:7 & John 5:26 - THE FATHER GAVE THE SON LIFE. Does the Bible called Jesus MADE AND BORN? Yes! JESUS is the Messiah and a CREATION BY GOD! He is called “BORN OF/FROM GOD”. (1 JOHN 5:18) Hebrews 1:5 showed that Jesus was MADE/BORN (orig Greek-gennaw). Also it says "he will become my son" Notice, FUTURE TENSE, WILL, so before that the SON DID NOT EXIST. If you are BORN AND MADE then you are a creation. , Hebrews 1:5 mentions I WILL BECOME HIS FATHER, so Jesus relationship with the Father has a BEGINNING, When ? it was TODAY. TODAY implies a beginning. When did Jesus become SON? Even before Jesus became human he is called SON , Prov 30:4 Was Jesus GIVEN LIFE? He is called the firstborn and beginning of the CREATION BY GOD (COL 1, Revelation ) Also john 5:26 mentions that the FATHER GAVE JESUS, THE SON, with LIFE. If Jesus was given LIFE OR EVEN ETERNAL LIFE, then Jesus does not have life or eternal life before those were given to him. Notice, the Father was NOT given life. JESUS was MADE LORD (ACTS 2:36).JOHN 6:57 - Jesus Said “ I LIVE BEC OF THE FATHER” SO JESUS’ LIFE was dependent on the Father and his SOURCE OF LIFE/Eternal Life IS THE FATHER as John 5:26 states as well. 1john 5:1 - Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God,+ and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one . who is this that HAS BEEN BORN from that one? That is Jesus! 1 John 5:18 - Jesus is called BORN FROM GOD JESUS IS BORN FROM GOD, 1 JOHN 5:18 - We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God* watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him . WHO is the ONE BORN FROM GOD that watches us and protects us and who does not sin? JESUS CHRIST! HAS ANYONE SEEN GOD? NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD and if they see GOD's face THEY WILL DIE. Jesus was seen by many and they didn't DIE so Jesus Is Not The Almighty God. Jesus is called SON even before coming to earth as human. Exo 33:20 states "“You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”" NO MAN CAN SEE ME, notice ME , you think ME IS NOT LITERAL? IT IS LITERAL "ME" WHO IS GOD. GOD IS FROM FOREVER: John 1:1 mentions the WORD WAS IN THE BEGINNING, so Jesus was LIMITED "IN THE BEGINNING" Unlike GOD who is FROM FOREVER (Psalms 90:2). Is "a god" a valid translation in John 1:1? Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. The Greek used in the BIble does not have an indefinite article "a" so that's why you don't see the "a" in John 1:1, The Sahidic Coptic translation uses an indefinite article with the word “god” in the final part of John 1:1. again, john 1:1 about theos - Strong's Concordance theos: God, a god , so "a god" is a valid translation. "The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon" defines theos as "a god" as well. so it is a valid translation. Also Thayer's Greek Lexicon also defines theos as "a god" so it is a valid translation Is Jesus the same as Jehovah? Jesus is the SON. Jehovah is Our FATHER (Isa 63:16). Even the trinity doctrine states the SON IS NOT THE FATHER, so Jesus is NOT JEHOVAH
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There is no tribe of Joseph: His sons Manasseh and Ephraim were given the places in the twelve tribes.Rev 7:8. Also Rom2:28,29 A Jew is not determined by race, color, sex. The 144,000 are spiritual Jews. Keep on knocking brother
@@MrPoohman1981 Genesis 49 gives the listing of the original tribes. There is no tribe of Joseph his sons Manasseh and Ephraim took his place. Also revelation does not list the tribe of Dan. This is spiritual Israel.
@@mickhewitt4082 what your doing is called Supersessionism, replacement theology or fulfillment theology. How you take something literally and change it??
@@MrPoohman1981 Joseph is not in the 12 tribes of Israel. Jacob, who is known as Israel has 12 sons... Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin, Dan and Naphtali, Gad and Asher. So logically, 12 tribes of Israel would bore these names... But no... The tribe of Levi was given/consecrated to the LORD (Num 3:11-13) and were not to be counted. The consecration of this tribe did not originate in the legislative wisdom of Moses, but in the special appointment of God, who chose them as substitutes for the first-born. Excluding Levi and including Joseph there are only 11 tribes, but because Joseph is represented by each of his two sons, (Ephraim and Manasseh), who were given the status of independent tribes, it means that there are 12 tribes. This is their formation around the Tabernacle and in order of their marches; The Eastern Tribes : Judah, Issachar and Zebulun The Southern Tribes : Reuben, Simeon and Gad The Western Tribes : Ephraim, Manasseh and Benjamin The Northern Tribes : Dan, Asher and Naphtali
Of whom was Jesus Christ "the faithful and true witness? By his birth into the nation to whom the works of Isaiah 3:10-122 are directed, Jesus Christ was obligated to be a witness of Jehovah. He lived up to this obligation, for all the written record as to what he said and as to all the Hebrew scriptures that he quoted proves that he was Jehovah's Witness. If the question were today directed to Jesus Christ, of which God are a witness? He would reply: Of Jehovah! He was still is in heaven the "Faithful and true witness" of his God and Father." ----Rev. 1:5, 6. AS
You need to stop embarrassing yourself with your "Bible knowledge." Jehovah was a "true and faithful witness" in Jeremiah 42:5. Who was he witnessing to? Wow 😲 I guess that means he can't be God, Not! Jesus actually said we are to be witnesses of him, not the Father, so just stop embarrassing yourself because I'm starting to feel second hand embarrassment for you. Time to go do more "Bible study" with your comic book. Here's a list of verses where Jesus said to be witnesses of him, not the Father, for you to read while you're waiting for "spiritual food" to heat up in the microwave. (It's a bit stale so you got lots of time) John 15:26-27 - We are witnesses of Jesus. Luke 24:48 - Witnesses of Jesus. Acts 1:8 - Jesus said "You will be witnesses of me" John 1:15 John 5:37 ⬅️ This is the best one because you're acting smart 🤓 that Jesus is a witness of the Father but actually the Father is a witness of the Son 😂 Acts 9:15,16 Acts 10:43 Acts 22:5 Acts 22:15 Acts 22:18 Acts 22:20 Acts 26:16 2 Timothy 1:8 1 Corin 1:6 Rev 12:17 Rev 17:6
Seems like Satan is getting his foot soldiers to clear the way for his final putsch against God's people. (Matthew 5:5) “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will INHERIT THE EARTH. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will POSSESS THE EARTH, And they will live forever on it. Something or someone has to die for an inheritance to take effect.
Sounds very hateful, wishing death upon me. God doesn’t even feel that way. Ezekiel 18:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the LORD GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Might be good to actually read my comment. I only clarified the Bible TRUTH that humans do not leave this earth and float around in some surreal realm. Anyone who teaches anything contradictory is from his Father Satan as Jesus made out to the Religious leaders of his day (John 8:44). I do not see any 'death' threats in such a statement of Jesus'. Neither in mine. Sorry, if one understood it as such.
@@tongakhan230 You believe the righteous inherit the earth right? What happened to all the billions and billions of unrighteousness for the last 6000 years, what happens to them?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : It is right there in the Bible. The unrighteous along with the righteous will be resurrected back on earth. - Acts 24:15. At death all sins are wiped clean - Romans 6:7,23. The unrighteous come back with a NEW OPPORTUNITY TO QUALIFY FOR EVERLASTING LIFE ON EARTH. All this will take place during Jesus'1,000 year rule of this earth. Everyone gets a new opportunity to qualify for everlasting life. The end result is that the righteous will finally inherit the earth. God original purpose in creating humans will come to fruition. Satan looses in his attempt to thwart God's purpose. Hope this helps.
@@tongakhan230 Psalms 37:28-29 For the LORD loves justice; he will not forsake his saints. They are preserved forever, but the children of the wicked shall be cut off.The righteous shall inherit the land and dwell upon it forever. So the Bible says the wicked are destroyed. How does that work in your doctrine? According to JW’s almost all wicked yet eternal life, the same reward as the righteous. Also your posting of Romans 6:7 proves how Witnesses rip verses out of context from the Bible. You know full well that verse doesn’t say that. If you think it does, read it again, you’re either being dishonest in your explanation of scripture or you rather listen to the WatchTower than the Bible. Also, Bible proves you do NOT pay for your own sin. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 2 cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has DONE IN THE BODY, whether good or evil. Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is destined for people to DIE ONCE, and after this comes judgment Romans 5:9 Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience. Colossians 3:6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience John 3:18 The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.
144000 is written in revelation, me id rather be fishin here on an earth reborn than floatin in the clouds. More "CHRISTIANS should read their bibles rather than allow their ministers to dictate how they should live...
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Too many "Christians " foolishly believe that when they die, boom straight to heaven. Wrong. Not enough of them read their own bible to know that when they die, they are dead to the world physical and spiritual. Judgment must first come until then only those anointed will go straight to heaven (only those without sin).
Here they go again , cherry-picking bible verses to "disprove" something that is very clear in the bible. You cannot just make a conclusion based on few verses. Read the bible as a whole. Since the Beginning , God already gave the Earth for mankind to dwell. When Jesus came, He even taught his disciples to pray that God's Kingdom come Here on Earth. And one more thing, what those who'll go to heaven do? They will become Kings and Priest to rule over the EARTH. Rev 5:10 The bible is clear, This Earth is for mankind.
Which verses were cherry picked? Also Christians also believe that man will dwell on a new earth. The difference is heaven and earth are joined, Rev 21. You said I chrerry picked, can you give me an example of what I took out of context?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Ever read Revelation 21:3,4? Check to see if the prophecy is about humans going to be WITH God or God's Government COMING TO HUMANS to change conditions on earth for them. Might be enlightening. God has not changed his purpose for humans to live forever on earth. Adam's sin disrupted this purpose for a time (Romans 5:12). God SENT his son to give back this prospect (John 3:16). Humans do not want to leave this earth. That is why they go to doctors and get operated on in hospitals. Because they want to LIVE LONGER ON EARTH. This going to heaven is a brainwashing many get. It is not a natural inclination of any human. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will POSSESS THE EARTH, And they will LIVE FOREVER ON IT. The term EVERLASTING LIFE may come to mind.
How would feel if one of your dearest friends was executed on the basis of false charges? Would you make a replica of the instrument of execution? Would you cherish it, or would you rather shun it? In ancient Israel, unfaithful Jews wept over the death of the false god Tammuz. Jehovah spoke of what they were doing as being a 'detestable thing.' (Ezek. 8:13, 14) According to history, Tammuz was a Babylonian god, and the cross was used as his symbol. From its beginning in the days of Nimrod, Babylon was against Jehovah and an enemy of true worship. (Gen. 10:8-10; Jer. 50:29) So by cherishing the cross, a person is honoring a symbol of worship that is opposed to the true God. As stated at Ezekiel 8:17, apostate Jews also 'thrust out the shoot to Jehovah's nose.' He viewed this as "detestable" and 'offensive.' Why? This "shoot," some commentators explain , was a representation of the male sex organ, used in phallic worship. How, then, must Jehovah view the use of the cross, which, as we have seen, was anciently used as a symbol in phallic worship? You do not qualify to discuss Bible issues. Get out of Babylon the Great, while time permits. ----Rev. 18:4.
Questions should abound on everyone going to heaven. Why was the earth (and life) created? Why, after the flood did God "save" flesh? The wicked perished and God could take Noah and his family to heaven, end of story. Where, in the Bible, did Christ teach every faithful one dies and goes to heaven? According to Lazarus's sister, Christ taught of the resurrection. Of the faithful men of old, say Abraham ( God's friend ) surely upon his death would have went to heaven, right? Wrong. Jesus said, no man has ascended into heaven except he who descended, the son of man. From man's beginning till today everyone who's died is "asleep" in death, awaiting their resurrection into judgement. This lie, that when we die, go to heaven is the "first" lie Satan spoken to Eve. "You will surely not die", Satan told her. So, throughout the churches today, that lie continues. You won't die, you'll go to heaven. What of the Lord's prayer?? Matthew chapter 6? May God's will be done on "Earth" as it is in heaven. Or, the meek shall inherit the earth. Not heaven. Read the entirety of Psalm 37. God's children worldwide have an earthly hope. It is Our home, we are made of it as it was made for us. Revelation makes it clear, that the tent of God will reside with mankind, not mankind going to God. I'm not a JW and can see the truth through scripture. God created a paradise on earth for his family. Had Adam and Eve Not died, where would they be today? Alive, thriving on the earth from where they were made. Sin free. No death. A promise that God Almighty Jehovah will see through. Come judgement day, you still choose to believe Satan's lie? I pray not, in Jesus name!
Were all scum,, in Gods eyes, read, Isaiah,, 64,v 6 our righteousness is a period of menstua n,, filthy human,, do I agree, 100,000- percent, elders read that,,,
If humans was supposed to go to heaven, then why create them on the earth to begin with? Ones definitely go to heaven but the majority stay on earth... John 10:14-16 New Living Translation *14“I am the good shepherd;* I know my own sheep,* and they know me, 15just as my Father knows me and I know the Father. So I sacrifice my life for the sheep. *16I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also.* They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd. Notice the word picture Jesus used to explain the relationship between himself and his followers - A Shepherd leading sheep. Then after his death and resurrection he specifically commisions Peter to look after his sheep or followers. John 21:14-16 New Living Translation 14This was the third time Jesus had appeared to his disciples since he had been raised from the dead. 15After breakfast Jesus asked Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?e” “Yes, Lord,” Peter replied, “you know I love you.” *“Then feed my lambs,” Jesus told him.* 16Jesus repeated the question: “Simon son of John, do you love me?” “Yes, Lord,” Peter said, “you know I love you.” *“Then take care of my sheep,”* Jesus said. Then notice Peters own words to Christian overseers in local congregations/groups in a letter. 1 *Peter* 5:2 New Living Translation *Care for the flock that God has entrusted to you.* Watch over it willingly, not grudgingly-not for what you will get out of it, but because you are eager to serve God. Local congregations/groups of Christians were under the guidance of a Governing Body in Jerusalem. When there were difficulties the Governing body were contacted for definitive guidance. Acts 15:2,3 New Living Translation 2Paul and Barnabas disagreed with them, arguing vehemently. Finally, the church decided to send Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem, accompanied by some local believers, *to talk to the apostles and elders* about this question. *3The church sent the delegates to Jerusalem...* But notice who was a part of that Governing body in Jerusalem - Peter! The one that Jesus had directly a commissioned to feed his sheep/followers. But he was commissioned to focus on helping people who were not of a Jewish background (Gentiles). Acts 15:6,7 New Living Translation *6So the apostles and elders* met together to resolve this issue. 7At the meeting, after a long discussion, *Peter stood and addressed them* as follows: “Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. So Peter was one of a number of 1st century Governing body members specifically appointed by Jesus to act on his behalf after his resurrection. With that in mind, the illustration Jesus spoke before makes sense. He used a word picture of a wealthy homeowner who goes away and leaves a Head slave/servant in charge of running the home and the responsibility of the other servants. Jesus was clearly explaining that upon leaving earth a Governing body would serve in his place. Matthew 24:45 New Living Translation “A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them. The Governing Body from the 1st century was well aware of the immense responsibility on their shoulders. As the saying goes 'with great power comes great responsibility' Matthew 24:46,47 New Living Translation *46If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job,* there will be a reward. 47I tell you the truth, the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns. In Verse 47 Jesus explained that on his return if the Governing body was doing its job then as a reward they would be given greater responsibility. What else did Jesus/The master own on earth? John 10:16 New Living Translation *16I have other sheep,* too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also. They will listen to my voice, and there will be one flock with one shepherd. So Jesus explained that there would be followers separated into 2 distinct but united groups. Talking to his Apostles he let them know their place would be in heaven - his Father's home. John 14:2&3 New Living Translation 2There is more than enough room in my Father’s home.a If this were not so, *would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you* b 3When everything is ready, I will come and get you, *so that you will always be with me where I am* However, the second group of followers remain on earth where the first humans were originally placed. Why Create Adam and Eve on earth if the intent was for them to be in heaven? Psalms 37:29 Brenton Septuagint Translation But the righteous shall inherit the earth, *and dwell upon it for ever.* 144,000 of Jesus followers go to heaven, and the rest of Jesus followers stay on the earth. Revelation 14:3-5 New Living Translation 3This great choir sang a wonderful new song in front of the throne of God and before the four living beings and the twenty-four elders. No one could learn this song except *the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.* 4They have kept themselves as pure as virgins,a following the Lamb wherever he goes. *They have been purchased from among the people on the earth* as a special offeringb to God and to the Lamb. 5They have told no lies; they are without blame. Revelation 21:3 Amplified Bible And they sang a new song before the throne [of God] and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except *the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased (ransomed, redeemed) from the earth.* Interestingly Revelation helps us understand a significant point - That Jesus' ransom/payment of coming to earth to sacrifice himself was primarily for the 144,000. The "little flock" of Jesus followers/144,000 have a future in heaven. But why? What do they do there? Revelation 5:10 New International Version 8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down *before the Lamb.* Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, *because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.* *10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests* to serve our God, *and they will reign b on the earth.”* Luke 12:32 New Living Translation *“So don’t be afraid, little flock.* For it gives your Father great happiness *to give you the Kingdom.* So the "Little flock" are the members of the heavenly kingdom who look after/rule over those on the earth. What is their purpose in ruling? Its more than to keep order. As Revelation said they are purchased from the earth and become a kingdom of kings and PRIESTS. *Jesus and the "Little flock"/144,000 role is to bring humans back into a perfect relationship with God by helping to get our sins covered/cancelled. There is no other way for imperfect humans to be freed from sin and death that Adam and Eve brought on us and be restored to perfection as children of God.* 1 Corinthians 15:21,22,23,25 Amplified Bible *21For since [it was] by a man that death came [into the world], it is also by a Man that the resurrection of the dead has come. 22For just as [d]in Adam all die, so also [e]in Christ all will be made alive. 24After that comes the end (completion), when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father,* after He has made inoperative and abolished every ruler and every authority and power. 25For Christ must reign [as King] until He has put all His enemies under His feet. John 14:6 New Living Translation 6Jesus told him, *“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.* But why would God chose 144,000 humans to go to heaven to help restore the rest of humanity to perfection? Hebrews 4:15 New Living Translation *This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do,* yet he did not sin. So Jesus knows what its like to be human and knows our struggle to do what is right, but he was without sin. However, the 144,000 have been in the exact same shoes as the rest of mankind. They have battled with sin (the inclination to do wrong) and therefore can help and judge us fairly. So it makes sense why ones will follow Jesus and the little flock - Because they lead them to a perfect relationship once again with God. "The other sheep" (John 10:16) are ones who recognise that the "Little flock" of Christians are following (Jesus) and they want to join them. Zechariah 8:23 New Living Translation “This is what the LORD of Heaven’s Armies says: *In those days ten men from different nations and languages of the world will clutch at the sleeve of one Jew.* And they will say, *‘Please let us walk with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”* Today true Christians follow Jesus under the organisation he has appointed to look after his followers. Some of those are going to heaven, the majority stay on earth just as God originally intended. *Additional detail in comments*
In relation to 2 groups. Here is another bible example. There are more such as in Israelite times there was a separation of the Levites/priestly tribe from the rest of the nation. The levites helped the people spiritually. Numbers 18:1,2 Amplified Bible Duties of Levites 1So the LORD said to Aaron, *“You and your sons and your father’s household (family) with you shall bear the guilt in connection with the sanctuary* [that is, *through your service as priests you will atone for the offenses which the people unknowingly commit* when brought into contact with the manifestations of God’s presence]; and you and your sons with you shall bear the guilt in connection with your priesthood [that is, your own unintentional offenses]. *2But bring with you also your brothers, the tribe of Levi, the tribe of your father (ancestor), so that they may join with you and serve you [as assistants],* while you and your sons with you are before the Tent of the Testimony [the Holy Place where only priests may go, and the Most Holy Place which only the high priest may enter]. So in relation to 2 groups of Gods people the same thing happened when the nation of Israel was rescued from slavery in Egypt by God himself. God instructed his people to sacrifice a lamb/or young goat and put its blood as a sign outside their home and then stay within their home. When God's angel came to destroy the 1st born of all in the land, the sacrifice protected the Israelites. Exodus 12:12,13New Living Translation 3Announce to the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each family *must choose a lamb or a young goat for a sacrifice, one animal for each household* 12On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn son and firstborn male animal in the land of Egypt. I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt, for I am the LORD! *13But the blood on your doorposts will serve as a sign, marking the houses where you are staying. When I see the blood, I will pass over you. This plague of death will not touch you when I strike the land of Egypt.* However, many of the Egyptians also followed the instructions. And when the Israelites were freed from slavery in Egypt many Egyptians left with them abandoning the Egyptian gods for the only true God. Exodus 12:38 New International Version *Many other people went up with them,* and also large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds. New Living Translation *A rabble of non-Israelites went with them,* along with great flocks and herds of livestock. So there we see 2 groups of people, the Israelites who were given direct instructions about a ransom (a lamb or goat sacrifice) that would keep them alive, and a second (Other) group that joined with the Israelites and benefited from Gods instructions. The Israelites and others left Egypt under the representative God chose - Moses.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I responded using the bible only...not any publication of Jehovah's Witnesses. My point is that 2 groups is a clear BIBLE teaching.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry And yes I did watch your video... You mentioned Jesus words to the evildoer as evidence that paradise was in heaven. Let's look at that closer... Luke 23:43 New International Version Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, *today you will be with me in paradise.”* Jesus died that day. Where was he for the next 3 days? Luke 24:7, 46 New International Version 7 The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and *on the third day be raised again.’ “* 46 He told them, “This is what is written: *The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,* Matthew 12:40 New International Version For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, *so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.* Matthew 16:21 New International Version From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, *and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.* Mark 9:31New International Version because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, *“The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”* Acts 2:24 New International Version *But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.* Acts 10:39,40 New International Version 39“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. *They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40but God raised him from the dead on the third day* and caused him to be seen. 1 Corinthians 15:4 New International Version *that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day* according to the Scriptures, Jesus enemies knew this too. So much so that they guarded the tomb that Jesus was laid to rest in so no one could steal his body and pretend he had been resurrected. Matthew 27:62-64 New International Version The Guard at the Tomb 62The next day, the one after Preparation Day, *the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. 63“Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ 64So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day.* Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first.” So when Jesus promised the man to resurrect him, he had in mind the same time that Martha knew about John 11:23,24 New International Version 23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24Martha answered, *“I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”* Therefore, that scripture in many bibles has a grammatical error - Jesus was promising the man at that moment/ that day...he would be in the future paradise. The comma goes after the word "today" not before. Luke 23:43 New International Version Jesus answered him, *“Truly I tell you today,* you will be with me in paradise.” Matthew 28: Jesus Has Risen *1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.* 2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. 5The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. *6He is not here; he has risen,* just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. *7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’* Now I have told you.” Therefore, the verse you mentioned relates to a paradise on earth. God created a paradise on earth for Adam and Eve...they were removed from it. God's will is to restore the paradise earth and humans to perfection. Matthew 6:10 New International Version your kingdom come, *your will be done, on earth* as it is in heaven. Revelation 21:1-4 New International Version A New Heaven and a New Earth *1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”* a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. *They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.* 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ b or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Just like God himself won't live/dwell on the earth, neither will his son Jesus. But they are "with" mankind in the sense of a close relationship, the same kind that Adam and Eve initially had. Levitus 26:9-12 New Living Translation *9“I will look favorably upon you,* making you fertile and multiplying your people. And I will fulfill my covenant with you. 10You will have such a surplus of crops that you will need to clear out the old grain to make room for the new harvest! *11I will live among you, and I will not despise you. 12I will walk among you; I will be your God, and you will be my people.* James 4:8 New International Version Come near to God and he will come near to you.
@@mo2874 ( And yes I did watch your video…) > Well thank you. :) I appreciate your time. ( You mentioned Jesus words to the evildoer as evidence that paradise was in heaven. Let's look at that closer...) > Yes let’s! ( Jesus died that day. Where was he for the next 3 days? ) > Luke 23:46 Into your hands, I commit my spirit. Jesus is more than flesh and bone, he has a spirit, which went to paradise, because he said he would be in paradise, with the thief. There is no verse that links the word paradise with earth, and 2 Corinthians 12:4, Revelation 2:7 both these Paradise are in heaven. So of the 3 times Paradise is mentioned, two are in heaven, so why would anyone assume that it wouldn’t be heaven, given that Jesus said he goes to the Father to prepare a place, and will come back so they can be were he is. Paradise earth, I know, is a huge deal for witnesses, yet that phrase is never mentioned. Something to think about. ( So when Jesus promised the man to resurrect him, he had in mind the same time that Martha knew about. ) > Final resurrection, when the righteous and the unrighteous are resurrected into eternal life, or eternal damnation. Acts 24:15,Daniel 12:2,Matthew 16 Revelation 20, is the final judgment, yet chapter 19 has people in heaven. Your spirit is in heaven before the final day. Physical resurrection happens on the last day, when heaven is joined. ( Therefore, that scripture in many bibles has a grammatical error - Jesus was promising the man at that moment/ that day...he would be in the future paradise. The comma goes after the word "today" not before. ) > No, it doesn’t. Adding the comma is changing the message to fit a doctrine. Jesus never uses the words. “I tell you today” it is ALWAYS. “I tell you….then he tells you what’s true “TODAY you will be with me in paradise. It’s also bad grammar to say “I tell you today. Yeah, can you tell someone something tomorrow, or yesterday. Comma is exactly where it belongs, or one is manipulating one of Christ’s most famous sayings. ( Therefore, the verse you mentioned relates to a paradise on earth. God created a paradise on earth for Adam and Eve...they were removed from it. God's will is to restore the paradise earth and humans to perfection. ) > God’s will is to reconcile lost sinners back to himself. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20.Romans 5:1,10-11 ,2 Timothy 1:8-10, Colossians 1:20. Yes, God is going to make a new heaven and a new earth, but the point was not making a nice garden for us, but to cleanse of of our sin and rebellion. God cares more about our hearts than giving us a nice place to life. Christ lays this out in Luke 24:47, which is the good news to be proclaimed . If you read Acts, which is when the Good News is spread throughout the world, there is no mention of a paradise earth, or a renewed earth that everyone will live in, the entire point is reconciliation with God, and being cleansed of Sin. Yes, the paradise is part of it, but it's like having a Father return after being away for a decade, and you're more focused on getting your allowance than finally being together with your Father again. (Revelation 21:1-4 New International Version A New Heaven and a New Earth 1Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” a for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ b or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”) ( Just like God himself won't live/dwell on the earth, neither will his son Jesus. But they are "with" mankind in the sense of a close relationship, the same kind that Adam and Even initially had. ) > And here is where you allow the Watch Tower to change the message of the God's Word. God’s dwelling place, is with who, the 144,000 or the great crowd. You know how I know God will dwell on the earth, with his people, because the text plainly says so. Unwise to deny it, twist scripture and change the message. As the last chapter says, don’t add or take away words from this book, that includes manipulating the message. Which is exactly what the Watch Tower does to fit their false doctrines.
Another who has no idea about what the Bible teaches finding fault with those who do. (John 10:16) “And I have other sheep, which are NOT OF THIS FOLD; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd. The term FOLD refers to those with the same hopes and aspirations. Philippians 3:20 But our CITIZENSHIP exists in the HEAVENS, and we are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will TRANSFORM our humble body to be LIKE HIS glorious body These are the chosen ones who get spirit bodies as Jesus' and they dwell in HEAVEN. The other FOLD are those who have a different hope. (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess THE EARTH, And they will LIVE FOREVER ON IT. (Matthew 5:5) “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will INHERIT THE EARTH. No follower of Jesus can have two types of bodies and live in two separate locations.
JW believe that not all of good people will go to heaven. Instead they believe that the bible (Psalm 37) says "The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." Book of revelation doesn't say that the 144.000 are all of natural Jews. Instead 144.000 refer to Spiritual Jews. Galatians 3:29 says *"if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s seed".* Revelation 7:9 says about “a great crowd, which no man was able to number.” If the number 144,000 were not literal it wouldn't have contrast to the great crowd.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I just know that most religions including the Christendom teach that all those who do good things will get the reward of eternal life in heaven. As for those who do evil things, they will be tormented forever in hell. But the Bible says something very different. The bible says about 144.000 who will have special role in heaven. Since they will rule with Christ in heaven over the earth, after the Kingdom of Heaven was established. Meanwhile for the rest of mankind, they will have chance to live forever in paradise on earth. Bible doesn't agree with popular opinion that all good men will go to heaven since the Bible (John 3:13 NIV) says : *"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - the Son of Man".*
@@tuntun8935 Tuntun, my man, Christianity does NOT teach good people or people that do good things go to heaven. That is 100% not a doctrine and never has been. They are some people who claim to be Christian "Cultural Christians" who think that's the case, but they're ignorant about what the Bible says and what 99.99% of Churches teach. The Watch Tower says this, "Today, most religions in Christendom teach that all good people go to heaven when they die." wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019566#h=10 that's called spreading false information, which is also called lying. Tuntun I've been a Christian a long time, been to dozens of churches, around the globe, talked with thousands of Christians. I don't know any that believe "good people go to heaven" and would rebuke anyone teaching that. Whomever wrote that article is not only wrong, they didn't do the minimal amount of research and are twisting facts. Just letting you know buddy. If I may, I want give a quick summary of witness belief. You tell me if I'm wrong. You believe Jesus is the first creation of Jehovah God. That the Jehovah's Witnesses are the one true religion and are being lead by the Faithful Slave, God's only channel. Jesus began ruling in 1914 and soon Armageddon will come, destroying all false religion and governments. Only witnesses who are baptized and currently working on their salvation, ( Door to door, letting writing, reading watch tower, attending meeting etc) will be saved. Then God will resurrected the righteous and unrighteous ( those who never had a chance to learn about Jehovah) on a paradise earth, where God will set up his new government, his kingdom. That's where the earthly class will remains, but anointed Christians the 144,000, will reign over the earth in heaven along side Jesus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Now you tell me, about my faith. I am a standard, Sola Scriptura Christian. Without getting into my views on eschatology, what is my core doctrine. Who I believe God is, how to know him, and how one is saved?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : It seems that someone is contradicting himself. First one quotes JWs in saying that 'most of Christendom teach that good people go to heaven'. Yet say that such is not taught by Christendom. Then try to make out that 99.99 % don't teach such doctrine. Aside from not having a clue as to what Christendom IN GENERAL teach, whether it is 0.01 %, it still shows that it is being taught. One fact stands out by these videos. Like the Jews in Jesus' day, their counterparts hate Jesus' disciples. (Matthew 24:9) “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.
@@tongakhan230 Tonga I once had a Jehovah Witness tell me that women were genetically dumber than men, and God made it that way. Now. He is a small percent of witnesses, and obviously doesn’t preach true JW doctrine. Would it be fair of me to claim all witnesses believe and teach that?
