Jehovah's Witnesses: Judicial Committees Part Two 

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Big ups to you JT because most elders don't know how to say I'm sorry, I really appreciate you for saying your sorry.

This was very hard to watch. I lived this at the age of 23. I fought back and so, was kicked out. After I had already quit. They tried to get very invasive with their questions, but I refused and fought back. “How many times did you have sex? What were you wearing? What were the positions you used?” Just to name a few. I called them on their disgusting behavior and they backed down. I knew at the time that I could lie my way out of it. I knew I could return to meetings for a bit, and thus only get reproved. I was done faking it already. I wasn’t going to allow men to tell me what to do anymore. My only regret is that I showed up at all. The other thing I knew was that I wanted to be done with all of it, the pushy, judgmental people as well as the meetings and the lip service. I wanted to protect my future children. If I was disfellowshipped, these people wouldn’t be visiting me and pressuring me, they wouldn’t approach me at the grocery store with their culty lingo. I didn’t want to lose my mother, but that was her choice, not mine. I’m glad they threw me out. It saved me, and it saved my children from ever being touched by that disgusting place.

I have been through this exact thing. I am a 30 year old female 3 years removed. And after talking about it with other disfellowshipped ones was told that mine was a bit of a rare case as far as the way it was handled. The entire meeting was recorded and I was asked those same extremely personal questions. I went forward on my own because of my feelings of being a hypocrite due to my status in the Kingdom Hall. Felt I could no longer preach God’s word and live a “double life.” I am currently still disfellowshipped. I knew the moment my judicial hearing was over that I would never return. It hurt for a long while to lose my family. 2 years after it happened I moved over 500 miles away to another state. Completely alone. Best decision I could have ever made. Over time I came to realized that my family knew just who I was and the lengths that I had gone through for them. They knew I was still that person my heart was and will always be pure. So friend family or foe if they can’t love me without conditions the way I have always loved them then they don’t deserve me anyway. I’M FREE!!!

I was a young girl at the age of 17 went through this judicial process in Barstow California, with three elders in that back room, and it was mortifying, humiliating, and beyond word to explain, I was asked in detail of my sexual exploits, what I touched on this mans body, how many times, what parts of my body I used to touch him, did I use my hand, my mouth, was there penetration, did I do anything else to pleasure him, how long my sexual encounter was, how many times we had these encounters, what I was wearing, did I enjoy it, where we were at, how we met, conversations that I had with him, and many more sexually personal questions, so many questions so many details, it was extremely embarrassing and humiliating.. it was wrong on so many levels, afterwords I was reproved, my mom and I were the only ones baptized, I was baptized at the age of 12/13 year old. my dad had just retired from the military he wasn’t and still is not a witness, don’t remember if it was public or private reproval because afterwards I only went to one more meeting then I stopped going, me and my family had moved out of state and I went to live with my grandparents, and shortly after that I went into the military myself, because I felt that way I would be taken care of as I didn’t feel like I had many options after this situation.. a few weeks after I joined the military and was in basic training I received a letter from my mother practically disowning me telling me because of jehovah she would no longer speak to me except for necessary family matters, I was broken by that letter but accepted it because I believed still that I had done wrong against god and knew this was expected, my comfort came from a worldly man, my drill sgt, who saw me break down in tears after reading this letter at mail time and I told him the contents of it and he told me” don’t worry about it, were your family now we got you, it’s all gonna be ok” and the military did work for me for a while, but then I got out and had no place to go so I called my dad who is not a witness but still married to my mom, and asked to move in as I needed to start over since I was out, I still kinda got the cold shoulder from my mom, but she was friendly enough I suppose, I eventually moved out of their house, got married had children, and then she came to me and told me she had talked with the brothers and that since I wasn’t disfellowshipped she was able to have contact with me and that I was just like someone who had fallen away, she cried when she told me, she told me that the society has been revising things and that things are different now then they used to be since they have more information and new things have come to light now? Yeah ok.. lol... but since then she has been active in my life since , we have a good relationship now, but I have a better one with my dad who is still not a witness, I had started a study a while back bout a year ago I’m now 32, but recently came to the realization that it’s not for me anymore, and this video has solidified that for me, because I remember the humiliation, and how much I was messed up from it, and what it did to me, I have a duty to protect my children, and I would not wish this ever on them, it’s not love that protects these people, it’s fear. fear of man, because god is love, and god knows what’s in our hearts and knows our struggles and knows we are not perfect.. so I don’t have a religion now and don’t know if I ever will, but I’m a good person, I live a good clean life and have my own spiritual connection with god and that’s all that matters. I don’t have a hope of heaven or ever lasting life, but I have a good life now, And that’s what matters most to me. Thanks so much for Putting this information out there for everyone, I don’t harbor any animosity, they are mislead.. but I am definitely more outspoken now because of it and what happened to me and will stand my ground against this type of bullying. Because that’s what it is. Thanks again! -Heather

I have seeved on well over 10 of these commitee meetings. It never suprised me what could be asked! I look back now and ashamed and embarrased for being a part of these inquisitions!

I too was subjected to this abuse of power. Born and raised in the organization. Baptized at 15. My father had served as the presiding overseer for over a decade at that time (afterwards he was voted off elder island due to my conduct). At 16 I was reproved for being abused for 2 years by a family member/ministerial servant in the congregation. Also had to give EVERY DETAIL to 3 old men of my case. Now at 28, (and after being disfellowshipped twice in my life for coming clean) it's been a year since I've walked away from the organization.

You are absolutely right on all points! I was subjected to repeated interrogations at the age of 7 after being molested, even though I wasn’t baptized at the time. The JC was horribly traumatic. Then when I was 19 or 20, and trying to leave the JWs, I was hauled before a JC for sleeping with my worldly boyfriend, and “spiritism” (which turned out to be migraines! I kid you not). I was asked about positions, “climax” (meaning orgasms), duration, whether condoms were involved, anything you can think of. I was judged unrepentant because I refused to provide a blow by blow. The whole process is revolting.

I was so overwhelmed and terrified going through the process I lost weight and people kept asking me what was wrong. I had to take anti anxiety medication and it affected my job. I was treated very condescendingly by one particular elder. It’s a long story but I was traumatized and even the smell of the Kingdom Hall after that triggered me. Lots of questions about the relationship I was involved in. I was counseled for independent thinking. I don’t know how I lived through it.

I confessed to elders to seek help and gain forgiveness from Jehovah. Well that's what I truly believe at that time. I remember on my judicial hearing 1 of the elders ask me how many GF's I had. Then he followed it up with the question, did I ever kissed my ex gf. I said no. Then that elder said "What?"..You're kinda slow.". He was mocking me but I just let it go. Later one of the elder excuse his self to go to washroom. While waiting the elder that is mocking me said to the other elder "How much is your salary per hour because we've been here for almost 4 hours". I want to shrink and disappear after hearing that. I am so down because I have sinned against Jehovah and I approached them to seek help but that's what I got. I almost walk out of the hearing but I sucked it up because I have to get through it for Jehovah. I got reproved and it took me 2 years before I gained back all my privileges despite of reporting AP level hours because I can't be an AP while reproved and only missed meetings if I am sick. While on the same congregation a brother who got DF'd got reinstated in 8 months because he and his family have a strong relationship with the elders while me don't have one because I am the only JW in my family and does not have a strong relationship with the elders and the congregation. After all of this I started having questions and started doing research and I found your channel JT and Lady C. Thank you for helping me wake up.

It was total shock and awe for me. I had no idea that I or anyone else would be treated like trash in a judicial meeting. There is no love involved and that's why these meetings should be recorded or video taped. I was asked how many times, what kind of birth control and what kind of act did you perform. I was slandered by one of them but no one cared. There were four elders in my meeting. I told my family about it and they didnt do anything to support me. Just ridic. The back room is the room where no flowers grow. The worst place in the KH. My sister took me to the club to go dancing before I was df'd. Then she cut me off.

I believe this. I was never reproved or disfellowshipped. However, I have had meetings with the elders. I was in a small rural congregation once. Every time I went in the ministry, I would be ridiculed about being a city girl. I would go out of town to visit friends. When I got back, I was asked how my trip was , then the elders were told I was making fun of and putting down the congregation. This went on for months. My son was getting beat up after school, parents were blaming him for problems. Eventually I was called and asked to come in for a meeting about "pioneering ". I walked in and the whole elder body was sitting in a circle. They kept firing questions at me, saying I was disrupting the congregation. I was receiving public assistance and this was a disgrace. I felt attacked. I was told I was a jerk and not a good mom. I was reduced to tears. I finally left the meeting. It was too overwhelming!! It was a flagrant display of abuse of power. My son and I moved shortly after that. The elders trashed me in the letter to the next congregation. I was hospitalized a few months after that. I'm well aware how hateful elders can be. These were uneducated men. Thanks for making this video. It validates my suffering over the years. Please feel free to share my story. Stella

In response to your question and request,J.T.,yes as a 14 year old i went before a JC composed of three elders,one 27 the other in his 50s and the other in his 70s who asked me a battery of inappropriate questions about my sexual behavior, many of the questions,at the time i couldn't answer because ,as a child i had no idea what these grown men were talking about. While at the time i thought they were 'God's representatives on earth' now i look back and realize the whole process was humiliating and insane.

It's funny how you spoke on how it's only up until the time the official announcement is made, a person whose going to be disfellowshipped is treated like they aren't. I waited 3 weeks for my announcement to be made. I had 1 week to appeal, the following week we had the circuit overseers visit, and the 3rd week we had the circuit assembly thus no announcement could be made. So for 3-4 weeks I went out with my closest witness friends for drinks to hang out one last time and did as much as I could with my witness family even though they all knew I was being read off. I even socialized with the people in congregation like I normally did before and after the meeting. The whole purpose of disfellowshipping is to "keep the congregation clean", BUT only after the official announcement was made, did I get cut off from all of them and the friends started turning their nose up at me like I was Satan personified. So if that's the case, why was I allowed to quote/unquote defile and influence the congregation for 3 weeks. It's a downright stupid and evil practice.

Let's give a thumbs up to the comments of all those brave women who tell their story here 👍👍👍👍👍

I was raised JW, baptized at 10 yrs old and was a regular pioneer. I thought my case was an exceptional one, until I ran across these youtube videos of all the ex-witnesses sharing their stories! Oh my! I was 17 years old with my first judicial meeting. Not knowing any better, I answered all the graphic questions, crying the entire time through. It was the worst, my parents waited outside the room. I got DS for 6 mos and was allowed back in. The 2nd time I got DS, 5 yrs later, was because I didn't answer some of their irrelevant, perverted questions. I confessed what I did (and my pregnancy made it clear) but when they wanted to know which positions were done, how much did I enjoy it, how far did he penetrate, how many times...etc. I got defensive and stopped answering. I asked the brother was he getting off asking me these highly inappropriate questions. I was DS and told I displayed an unrepentant spirit. That was 19 years ago and I haven't been back. I knew that whole process was not representative of God, as much as I love God, I knew that was NOT "the truth." My family are still active witnesses and I'm saddened they are so blinded and brainwashed by the organization. Even with the light of all the wrongness that has occurred within the organization since I left! I was shocked when I saw Bro. Franz left! That was more confirmation that "the truth" was being exposed!

I too at the age of 16 was in a JC to go against the perpetrator who molested me at the age of 10. I was asked inappropriate questions that were very intimate and was in front of 3 elders. I remember the question asked...was who knows about this? Because it was not known the perpetrator only got a private reprove and told to read Watchtower and Awake magazine articles on how to treat women better. I had a second witness to their two witness rule because my neighbor a non-witness child (8 at the time) also experienced being molested they did not allow her to be a witness. Instead all this was kept quiet as it would reproach Jehovah's organization and his name. Thank you for this video. It upset me that these Elders get away with abusive behavior especially over women. So wrong. Keep doing these videos. They are very informative.

Almost 40 years ago I was a regular pioneer. During that time I was invited to a party that was held by the young people in the congregation. A week after I was contacted by the elders. They wanted to meet with me to find out what happened at the party. Two brothers came. Coley Perkinson and Marion Clark showed up. I was sitting on the couch and they were sitting in kitchen chairs in front of me. The smell of alcohol was very strong on Brother Perkinson. They started asking question and about five minutes in Brother Perkinson started rubbing my inner thigh. I was shocked, terrified. Brother Clark watched while he did it. I jumped up and screamed and ran out the house. A few days later they called and wanted to meet with me again. Instead of meeting with them I wrote a letter and disassociated myself. This was one week before pioneer school. You see I endured sexual abuse at the hand of my father and mother (anointed) for as long as I could remember. I felt like something was wrong with me. I wasn't good enough that's why this was happening to me. So I through myself into the organization to prove to Jehovah that I loved him. And this happened. Something snapped in my. Something shut down in me to allow me to function. Fast forward to 2009. I decided that I needed to try to go back. I had two children and even if I wasn't good enough, I wanted my babies to gain life. I knew that I would have to address what happened all those years ago to move forward. So I contacted the brothers and requested a meeting. Brother Bryant and Brother Boyd is who came to meet with me. I told them of my desire to return to Jehovah ( I had been gone over 30 years). I told them what happened to me and the reason why I left. They asked me a lot of questions. Example: what I had on? Had I been drinking? Why did I let them in if I smelt liquor on them? I answered all of their questions. They said for me not to worry. They were so sorry that happened to me and they promised to take care of it. They said that had to contact headquarters to get direction. I breathed a sigh of relief. I felt like I had done the right thing. Well weeks went by, then months. During this time I would occasionally ask for a update. They would always say that they were still waiting to hear from the society. Finally I got a meeting with them and they said that the society said that it had been so long ago and if the brothers had done some good since then to let it go. They said that they didn't even talk to Brother Perkinson because he had dementia and Brother Clark denied everything. But they believed me. However their hands were tied. ( this was my first experience with the harboring of pedophiles). Well, in my damaged mind it meant that I had not proven myself to Jehovah. But my goal was to gain life for my children, not for me. I was a lost cause. Well I meet with them again to set up a time when they could do a family study with us. During that meeting we talked about this issue. I think they forgot what they said to me before. This time they said they never got a response back but they wasn't for sure. You see the Coordinator of the body was Brother Clark and get this. The secretary didn't get the mail. He did. So I asked them what they planned to do? Because they said they would handle it. They said they couldn't do anything. I stopped going to the meetings In 2013, I started back going. I'm still trying to get life for my children. (By this time I am reinstated, and Brother Clark was no longer the CO. They brought someone in form another congregation. He was still a elder ) So one day Brother Bryant came to me after the meeting and handed me some magazines and said I could go in service. I said I haven't been out in over 30 years. It happened just like that. During this time at every meeting brother Clark would make it a point to approach me. He would make smart remarks and laugh at me. I just let it slide. However one day I was standing in the back of thehall and Brother Clark was standing in the front of the hall talking to my daughter. He put his hand on her shoulder. I lost it. YOU WILL NOT DO TO MY BABY WHAT YOU DID TO ME. I went to the CO and explained to him that he is to stay away from my daughter. He didn't know why so I gave him some of the story. He said he needed to set up a meeting. (Here we go again) this time it was Brother Boyd, Bryant, 2 other brothers and the CO ( I can't remember their names). The CO opened up by saying he was in contact with the society and he had ask certain question and needed to do a diagram. I. Wasn't allowed to take notes, but the five of them did. Here are some of the questions: what did you have on? You were abused by your father right? How far did your father go? Did you like it? Can you telll me again what you had on? These were just some of the questions. I was furious! I here telling you that I was abused by two elders when I wass a teenager. I wasnt doing anything wrong. I was a pioneer. I here trying to protect my daughter. I asked them what was the pointt If the questions? What dod what my father sod have to do with this? What did it matter what i had on? If i stood in front of them with nothing on, they had no right to do what they did. I told them that the Questions they were asking me went beyond the scope of what they needed to know. I asked one brother whose hands were under the table the whole time was he jacking off. That was the end of the meeting. A few weeks later the CO came to me and said the society wanted me to meet with brother clark. Well that was a joke. I was told not to talk to anyone about this again because i was bringing reproach on jehovahs name and not complying with the body. They told Brother Clark in the future when he was doing a shepherding call to make sure what he did was of benefit to the publisher. I was in shock. I said so you are telling me that you want me to come in here and act like nothing happened. This man is still a elder. He gives talks, prays, leads the group for field service. They said when he is on the platform its not him it Jehovah. I tried to stay there. But everyime he was on the platform i got sick to the point of throwing up. So i would look at the board and only go to the meeting when he didn't have a part. Finally i just went to another hall. I was there that i finally woke up. It was there that i became FREE. I know this was long. Sorry

This is why I enjoy listening to "Critical Thinker"! JT is so thorough.

I confess to a elder. If I knew then what I know now I would have never confessed to any elder. They do ask you some very,very very personal questions. I refused my second judicial hearing by writing my letter of disassociation.

YES!! I have been in the same judicial meeting scenario. I was so embarrassed by the questions they were asking me at 15 years old! 😢 it also impacts you if you are reinstated because all of a sudden somehow everyone in the congregation seems to know what you did!! They talk to you again and you're so happy.....until someone inadvertently brings up what you did and how happy they are that you realized how wrong you were......ummmm??? How does another sister know what I did? Shame and embarrassment all over again with now the hurt of knowing your secret meeting wasn't at all a secret 😢😭

I never had to face the JC, but I do remember when the Keep Yourself in God's Love book came out and pretty much said you could be called to the carpet for making out with someone, even if you didn't commit "porneia". I remember the strong guilt I felt in my mid 20s when I started coming out of my shell and did some things that I knew would get me in trouble, even without having sex. I felt that I was hiding my sins from God and was certain that I would die at Armageddon. Fast forward a couple years later when I was married to my non JW husband, my elders were hounding me by email and calling my new job several times a week to try to get me to meet with them. They were convinced I was sinning (which I had, at that point, but we were married now) and wanted me to meet with them. When I asked to meet with the elders in my new area, who didn't know me and would be able to make a more objective decision, they demanded that I "follow Jehovah's arrangement" and meet with them. I felt like a criminal fighting extradition for a crime. This caused me to finally look into the teachings on which I was raised and led to my disassociation (which I felt I had to do to stop the harassment, and I knew I was never going back). They never got the satisfaction of meeting with me and finding out what I did behind closed doors. It was none of their damn business anyway.

ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT!!! Everything said is the truth. When you study at least when I did no explaining of this process. The night I left this meeting was the worst in my life.the pressure was overwhelming. I did commit serious sin but I was already out for 3 years. I stopped sinning felt repeatant and was making the meetings for months .disfellowshiped and I was told that if it was 30 years ago I would have to be in the same process. This is now 2 years since this happened and I truly thank you and so many RU-vid channels for all your insight. That SIN didn't define me as a person. I still love Jehovah and all he stands for.again thank you so very much. Very well done.

I was an elder, sub CO, missionary. I feel ashamed when I recount what happened at committee meetings....

I thank the Most High God that he woke me up to my senses to walk out from this Religion in May 2016. I continue to pray that the awaken keep on shaking others to their senses. I read the bible now without the lenses of this CULT Wickedness.

Good for her, I'm glad she walked out... some things are just too much.

This is 100% true. The elders ask invasive, humiliating & irrelevant questions-where did it happen, when, how long, how many times, what kind of sex, how did you feel after & more. They ask the person’s name, how you met, how long you knew the person. They make you feel like you have to answer anything they ask otherwise you’re deemed unrepentant. Or later if “they find anything you left out”, they will come back to you and disfellowship you if that wasn’t the original decision.Then they have the nerve to ask why you decided to come forward. Why does one subject themselves to a humiliating and abusive process??? Sadly it doesn’t dawn on us until we are out the absurdity of this entire arrangement the Witnesses have. I wish I could warn & save even just one woman from going through this.

Been there and shamed by Elders. Thank you for sharing this with us JT.

So much to unpack here. I too was disfellowshipped years ago after my elder father drugged and raped me. I was completely isolated and had been a virgin up to that time. I was 27 years old and an exemplary JW. I turned to the internet to help me cope and a worldly person offered me a way out. I took it, found the elders in my new location and told them everything. Would love to tell my story.

OMG this brought back horrible memories. This happened to me. I was sick with embarrassment. One of the elders on my committee was half deaf so I had to not only constantly repeat myself but I had to yell my answers sometimes! This experience was one of the deciding factors as to why I left this awful organization! When I walked out of that room, I went to the restroom and I noticed my blouse soaked with perspiration. I don’t think I have ever sweat like that unless I was exercising!🤦🏾‍♀️

This "judicial committee" process is a joke. I went through this humiliating process. Looking back it now, I just laugh at how foolish this was.

Yes-exactly!! I was in a judicial committee back in the late 80’s. I was an elder’s daughter, and wound up being “privately reproved,” except it was far from remaining private. I was seeing a fringe JW, & since we were so young, hormones came into play & you can guess the rest. I was so guilt-ridden that I convinced my fringe JW boyfriend that we had to blow ourselves in to the elders. I was asked extremely intimate questions & was told that I could be disfellowshipped immediately just because I wasn’t bawling my eyes out and literally throwing myself on the floor at the elder’s feet. My parents had actually moved to another state at that point. I discovered that my bf was pretty much given a free pass. They never browbeat him nor humiliated him by asking him highly inappropriate questions like they did with me. They also called me “cold (not me at all!)” because I was contrite but not on my knees begging for mercy. I was thoroughly disgusted! And I began to think that if sex was so strongly hardwired into us as humans, and it was a natural desire that Jehovah supposedly gave us, why should I scream & cry & throw myself at these men’s feet as if had murdered someone?! One slightly saner elder helped steer the other two towards a “private reproof.” A short time later. I received a phone call from an elder from my PREVIOUS congregation where I grew up-and NOT the one I’d been attending. This elder who had nothing to do with the judicial committee, called to tell me that I’d better call my elder father up and clue him in because everyone everywhere was talking about my “private reproof.” I’d never been so angry, embarrassed nor disgusted! I believe that was the beginning of the end for me, although it took me many years to begin my actual awakening. Decades actually...! In the committee I was asked exactly what took place, was there penetration, what was I wearing, who initiated each & every move, in the greatest of detail. Too bad my parents are still “in.” It is one of the saddest points of my life. As for the “fringe JW bf?” I married him so that we could have sex & he turned out to be a highly abusive alcoholic. Thanks, JW’s!!

I remember the brothers asking me” what type of underwear I had on it was boxers or briefs”? I answered “ none of above , I don’t wear drawers “

I know the subject material is dead serious, but the entertaining way you brothers present it makes it much easier to assimilate.

Being an Elders daughter, when I disassociated myself from the JW, I was in the judicial meeting when the Elders tried to bully me into confessing to a Sin

When I was waiting for the elders to meet with me it felt like I was waiting to be sentenced for a crime. I'm like this don't feel right these guys have too much control. When I met with them I attempted to tell them about the fail prophecies, C.T. Hussler being apart of the Masonic. They almost ate me alive.😂😂😂

I remember my brother who was not baptized being disassociated.They changed it in the Watchtower and one of the local elders had not read the new light and began to yell at a brother who had read the article and was talking to my brother .At an early age i felt something was very wrong about the judicial processes and how some of the elders behave about the judicial process.

I'd like to see Jt. Or lady Cee reply to Leah Remini's special

My goodness I remember. The aim of the whole judicial committee is to shame and strip you of your dignity. It's very traumatic. The lack of Christian love at it's best.

My committee got mad at me because I kept shutting down their stupid logic. For example, one of them told me that they decided to disfellowship me was because I didn't behave like King David. He told me that even though David sinned, he never committed the same sin twice . So I told him that 1) I never murdered anyone, 2) I didn't commit adultery, 3) you can't prove he didn't commit the same sin twice because you have no proof as to whether every single sin David committed was recorded, and 4) David "fornicated" multiple times with all his "concubines" but he aint never sit before no judicial committee for it. That elder sat there like a deer in headlights after I shut that nonsense down, but their decision was already made.

Years ago, before her read-off i convinced a pioneer sister friend to appeal her disfellowshipment-something the judicial committee didn't tell her was an additional step. No one knew she had fonicated with en elder"s son and ministerial servant until she came forward. Yes she was asked intrusive questionsincluding questions from her past that was in an introductory letter from her old congregation she nothing about. But she summissively answered their questions through tears. IncThey found she was not repentive enough. Because she was a pioneer she was held to a higher standard and had to be disfellowshipped. The brother"s father was allowed to silently sit in on her hearing while she was questioned. The son was only privately reproved and kept his position.(years later he was disfellowshipped twice for other offences ).When she tried to turn in her appeal letter. The brothers refused it. They told her another committee would only confirm their decision. Also, she was not pleasing Jehovah by going against them and not accepting Jehovah"s discipline. After that she no longer wanted to be a JW. She had since married had children and small grandchildren. None have ever met her fleshy elder brother and jw sister and their cousins and grandchildren. It hurts to see them in public and decades later they shun her and her family. The kicker is that the three elders were all later disfellowshipped themselves and left the organization.The father was also disfellowshipped but was later reinstated and became an elder again.

Yes! Three grown married men asked me extremely personal questions when I was 19. It was so humiliating that it pushed me away from the religion. I was tempted to join a different congregation. It was only a few months later that I left. I was officially disfellowshipped a year later or so.

That was so sad and so shocking...myself and my families interactions with the so called judicial process has been surreal too. I have sat there and listened to 'top' elders actually telling outright lies about me, absolute untruths (as God is my witness)... So who will the other elders believe I wonder? I have seen the desperate scramble just before a CO visit to do judicial stuff, in my families case breaking every rule (procedural rules, rules of decency, mortality and humanity ..all shoved aside), just to have something for the CO.....but leaving so much damage behind. Why was I so blind...? So much pain, so much gaslighting, no love whatsoever. The elders have no wisdom and no holy spirit The brothers will say they are so sad when someone is df..generally not true, I can only describe such an announcement as a collective congregation 'climax' (sorry to be crude but that's what I witnessed), it gave us a sense of superiority, smugness, a chance to 'virtue signall' to everyone else, and was about the only interesting bit of the meeting. As I watch your video I feel a deep sense of guilt, shame and an overwhelming sadness for all those hurt and damaged by this process (I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive us). BTW....has anyone else noticed that the more WT thinking ebbs away the more deep, genuine love & concern for other people grows (or is that just me?).

When I was 14, I was privately reproved!! My grandpa was a ministerial servant, he didn't have to step down! Bro JT, I understand what you were saying about those "left field " questions. 5 years later, I was disassociated because I joined the Navy!! Best decision I ever made!! Bro JT and Lady Cee thanks for what y'all do!! 👏

Uneducated and malicious fools that have no other avenue of respect or legitimate authority in their pathetic lives. I knew many of them. It makes a person feel ashamed for having shared in that organization but at the same time proud and happy to be out. Thanks for sharing.

Yes, my 15 y.o. daughter was exposed to this UGLY, DISGUSTING "christian process." My daughter was inappropriately approached (details withheld) by a BROTHER and he kept his privileges. I sat outside in the auditorium while they were ALONE with the elders. I TRUSTED them, she trusted them and they ABUSED their entire responsibility towards to us. That brother for almost two years held his privileges. shortly after, I faded (although I did not realize this wonderful ExJW movement existed then) and refused to go back. I also had my own personal experience during a time in need. Sisters do get the **itty end of the stick. Elders are CLUELESS and ignorant.

I’ve studied with them. Over 30 years ago and recently. I have “never“ come across so much rubbish and lies . And I have been baptised in church that I spent many years in. And after I started being a silly person and started studying again with the J.W’s , I was told that my baptism was null and void. When I asked the question “why “ , I got the answer of because I’m not in the “Truth “ , it’s not going to be of any good to me. It’s an absolute truth to me that “Jesus “ is the truth and that’s the only thing that I now believe in.

HYPOCRISY AT IT'S BEST! DISFELLOWSHIP EVERYONE ELSE, BUT THE ELDER'S KIDS GET AWAY WITH MURDER!!!! YOU SAID IT RIGHT, MODERN DAY PHARISEES.

Can you imagine Jesus asking those question? NO! Even to the pristitute he say, "i know you sin are many, you are forgiven because of you love and faith, go and sin no more" To the adultere woman, Jesus said to the man, " you who is without sin cast the first stone", and then ask the woman " where are you acusers? She reply! They are not here, then Jesus say if no one is here to condenm you naither i condenm you" They are laws about sins that you can override using a higher law. The law to override "sin" is.... "COMPASSION, MERCY AND LOVE .... what JW don't see the diffrence is between a "sin" and a "crime"

I appreciate the section that you had in this video on favoritism. I was raise as a witness. Prior to being born, my father was a circuit overseer. After my birth he served as an elder and pioneer. While my doubts manifested at a young age, the fear of losing friends and Armageddon led to me to being baptized at 12. However, my actions as a rebellious teenager also led to me being busted for things like smoking, drinking, and sex. Only one time did I have a judicial committee. Most of the time one of my father's elder friends would speak to me on the side and everything would be "swept under the rug". On the other hand, friends of mine, who did not have parents who were elders or other prominent persons in the congregation, who be reproved or disfellowshiped for the same acts I committed. Total hipocrisy on the part of the elders in the congregation.

So glad I discovered this channel. I never had to go before a judicial committee but knew of others that did. and they often spoke of the inappropriate questions that were asked.. I LOL'd when I hear the questions "panties or thongs". I've been out for 30 years and I do not regret it. I lived through the 1975 debacle as well. Please keep making videos.

They TRIED to fire me, but I ALREADY QUIT! 😁 .

I've been humiliated too, I was reproved but it was the catalyst for me waking up. They were not interested in helping me spiritually they just wanted to know what was done that was wrong...no concern, care or counseling SAD

I feel like such a fool now. It was so damn humiliating. Yes I was subjected to same. Even when I was violated.

I actually believe this because on my elders meeting to find out if we qualified to be married in the kindom hall, they started to ask personal questions about whether we had sex, or anything "petting" as they called it back then. I was a bit stunned, a 21 year old virgin, pioneer witness, never seen the "B" school as we called it, and very dedicated to Jehovah. This poor elder, now that i am more educated with their questioning process and shepard the flock book, explains why he was so embarrassed, going beet red. He was in his 80's I can only imagine what any sisters by themselves went through!

This was hard to watch, I remembered my close friend went into a JC and after she called me distraught. A member of the committee asked if she had an orgasm as part of her questioning into so called immorality, for the life of me I can’t think of the relevance of such a question other than to excite perversions. They subsequently disfellowshipped her and she all but fell apart. It boggles the mind that an organisation that is meant to be based on loving guidance from above can have a policy that can potentially find a child molester show “works that befit repentance,” and yet two consenting adults be instant punishment

I was an elders kid and i went through the judicial process at 17 years old and you are so right, they ask right away who knows about it. I think I was spared from the super graphic questions bc my parents were present. I also had my JC at home. In the end i was privately reproved and my dad didn't have to step down. Even though it didn't get as graphic as you described it was still traumatizing for me. Who wants to talk about this stuff in front of 3 men AND their parents??!! Great video as always guys

I just now thought that the 3 elders sitting on the oppisite side of the table is a power play, done to make you feel small & outnumbered & ganged up on.

Thank You for exposing the "unknown" practices of this cruel ordeals.I'm willing to share the story.

This video makes me upset all over again. What you are saying is so true. Most of us who were Witnesses did not know the details of the judicial process. I was told or lead to believe if you are repentant for the sin you committed then you would not be disfellowshipped. This is sooooo NOT true. My baptized 17 year old daughter admitted to a serious sin. So my husband & I, who are both baptized, felt that she should tell the elders and go through the process. Thinking this would only help her spiritually, especially since she was sorry for what she had done. Not only did she meet with the first set of three brothers, but because THEY did not believe she was repentant (even though she said she was) they recommended she be disfellowshipped. Lets not forget the first two brothers that came to our home, to confirm the sin, before the judicial committee was even formed. So we appealed. Not knowing that she would have to meet with three additional brothers, bringing the number of brothers that she would have to sit down in front of, and tell her story again to SIX. That number not including her father and I, as we were in the room too. And at the end of the second hearing with SIX elders listening to this 17 year old, as she sat there trembling, crying, begging for forgiveness. They too decide to disfellowship her. Explaining at the end that they were really only there to determine if the first set of brothers did something incorrectly during the first hearing. Her father & I really thought this process would help her. Three months later she submitted her letter to be reinstated. They denied her & said it was too soon. Who knew they denied people this way? We didn't... After six months she submitted a 2nd letter. Denied again, and again they said it was too soon. What? After 9 months she was denied again. By this time I had written a letter to the Circuit Overseer & the Service Committee at the Branch in New York. The CO simply said, "Jehovah's finger may not have had a hand in this, but there is nothing I can do." The Service Committee said they were going to let the local brothers handle it, since they know the circumstances better... My husband & I wrote a letter to our local congregation & disassociated ourselves this past October. This is after going thru this ordeal for a year, AND finding out about the Australian Royal Commission, the child molestation cases worldwide, the organization being apart of the United Nations, the stocks in Disney, Lockheed Martin, etc, and the porn star's picture in the 'You Can Live Forever' book on page 93, and so much more... Hypocrites!!! I shake my head at how blind & naive we were...

When you are finally leave this so called religion it’s literally the hand of God that pull you out of it because it’s not easy at all after being endoctrinated for so long to be out of it it’s a pure miracle.

I was reproved(Then reinstated e-v-entually)Lolsss and you are so right about that process for a woman and those questions were uncalled for and WAAAAYYYY to deep for a shy person,(but not me, I think I embarrassed ALL THREE ELDERS)LOLSSS, JT....

These are the most grooviest guys ive seen. Great job!

My eyes are wide open ohhhhh my you guys rock ... so dam true

This is clearly man not God!! I love the information you guys give thank you ! And so true judicial committees are not discussed on studies and if disfellowshipping is mentioned they say it’s rare that anyone gets disfellowshipped you have to commit a serious crime is what i was told i found out later that was a lie

100% accurate. I was born & raised a JW. My story is long but I will give just some of the details of the judicial committee I went through. Had been in a bad JW marriage for over 20 years. I felt I had grounds for divorce but he never confessed to anything. So I had resigned myself to living in this marriage; you know the typical JW mind set. It will all be made right in the new system. I had never planned to get a divorce but met up with an old friend. Even then I had no intention of getting a divorce but eventually I filed for divorce. I had not committed adultery; he did not even live near me. I was called into a judicial meeting. I am a small woman and all 3 of these elders were big men, over 6 feet tall and big men. I remember the intimidation I felt just sitting across from these men. They asked probing, sexual in nature questions. They stripped me of my dignity. Even though I had not committed adultery or fornication, they still disfellowshipped me on the grounds that I was not repentant because I decided not to stay with my husband. And they kept me df'd for over 2 years. I feel that was to make an example out of me. I had been the model JW woman, pioneer, good wife, gave talks and demonstrations all the time. My brother had been an elder for many years. He said he had been on committees where the elder asked very intimate, inappropriate questions. And when you are a woman being asked these questions by men, I cannot describe the horror I felt. I was eventually reinstated after 2 years. But this was part of what started waking me up to JW doctrine. I faded out over 5 years ago. Now in my 60's I realized I wasted my life in a publishing/ real estate corporation. I still shudder when I think of what I went through in that organization. Thank you both and Lady C for your accurate, informative videos.

Im glad they are being exposed. We as people need to wake up. I was humiliated.

This is very accurate. I'm a elders child, and when I was 18 a few years ago they asked me "who knows about this?" I told them no one and I was put on reproof. Crazy!

We had a group at once once back in the 80's that got into some trouble. We went through this process and I was 14 years old. We were all minors. It was a huge event at the hall with a whole gaggle of elders and our parents. They grilled us about everything we had ever done, mostly minor infractions. The pinnacle was when an elder asked my friend, out of the blue, if he had had sex with his biological sister! Our parents were there! This type of thing went on for days. As a result we were all either reproved or disfellowshipped. I was disfellowshipped for holding back information about my best friends. I have since been told by elders that how our case was handled was wrong. It was traumatic to me as a young man. I can still remember everything about this ordeal and it took me many years to get over. This organization is pure evil.

You guys have the voices to be radio hosts, thanks for your videos! They're very informative

This was close to 20 years ago, but I was asked if my lower region became moist before having sex. Huh??? Smh, I haven't looked back since.

+Ex JW Critical Thinker Praise the LORD brother JT thank you 😊 for your honesty, your transparency and your candor as it pertains to this subject matter. God bless you, sir. but a tough and rough listen. God bless. Agape love ❤️

I just never understand why anyone felt compelled to share and confess anything personal with a group of men regarding their actions. I never confessed to anything and never will.

In 2005 when I was trying to be all up in the kingdom hall, I say try, because they never actually gave me a chance, but would always say if you love Jehovah, keep trying. So I stuck around for 5 or 6 years. Anyway, at one point I was ready to join the school, but my aunt ran to the elders and told them that I had a male friend in Canada, I wasn't allowed to join the school. It wasn't even 24 hours, between her running to them and they calling me to the back room. It was on a Thursday after a meeting. All the questions were so personal. And none of it had anything to do with my friend in Canada perse. It was things like, why am I so quiet, or why don't I dress like the other women in my family,(they dress really well, but I came decent, just not that invested) do I have a boyfriend, am I sexually active (I was in my early 20's and living on my own) , and proceeded to tell me that whatever is happening to me in my family is all my fault and that I needed to pray about it. When I tried to explain about how I'm treated by my family and why, these elders, couldn't even wait to go and repeat it to my family. So everyone was mad at me for speaking my truth, and the elders didn't do anything but stir it.

Yeah, nothing is being done about children being raped and they are concerned about THONGS, really!!!

It certainly happen to me, very humiliating, it's been 17yrs ago, but remember that feeling of disgust😢

I have seen the son’s of Elders disfellowshipped and reinstated in short order and some of them, depending on how prominent that Elder is, quickly become Ministerial Servants and Elders. Oftentimes leapfrogging past more “qualified” Brothers.

One of the elders who was doing some work at my home earlier this year, said to me, that they no longer call someone disfellowshipped, but prefer to assign, 'no longer a witness' as their status. So it appears to me, that this is seeking to walk away from the actual 'D' word. He also stated that the organization was experiencing a lot of growth. I wondered why he believes that to be true considering the exodus by so many.

Ok back in the day when I was still studying I was over zealous and wanted to be an unbaptized publisher . However I was not married just engaged to be married so I ended up before three elders questioning me about my relationship with my fiancée. They wanted to know if we are alone in the apartment, if we have sexual relations and if anyone sees us being alone in the apartment. I was very young at that time and was really upset and appalled. I went out angry feeling who the heck are they to ask these kind of questions, my own father doesn’t ask these specific questions. I felt extremely uncomfortable to be alone without my fiancé with these old guys and was very mad at my Bible teacher to subject me to this interrogation. It turned out I didn’t qualify to be an unbaptized publisher even though we weren’t doing anything but they didn’t believe me. I wanted to leave and never come back but stupid me I got baptized and spend another 20 years until I woke up about 2 years ago. This experience hurt me so much though that it stayed with me all these years.

Thanks so much for going into detail about the judicial meeting. This was hard to listen too. How could we ever be a part of such a disgusting organization? The J.C. Is designed to do more harm than good. The intimate questions are irrelevant and abusive at best. My father, husband, father-in-law were elders and it is shameful to know that they were involved in this.

As a male, this happened to me. After a certain point, I refused to answer their creepy, seedy questions - at which point they stopped the judicial committee to deliberate. You all know what happened after that. I can only imagine how embarrassing and humiliating this process is for a woman.

Perfect way to spend a December 25th Christmas day in conducting a 3-hour Judicial. AND you were 27? Wow. I'm sure you wanted to be elsewhere. I had a Judicial on my wedding day, May 22, 1999, with my then JW new wife. We were both 27 and I had been a ministerial servant when single from age 24 to 26. Three hours in the "back room", put back on private reproof for "fondling porneia" with "full restrictions". It was mutual consent so both of us were put on it and a nasty "Local Needs" talk soon followed after we got back from the convention. Some still shunned us even though we were not "disfellowshipped". Asked questions like "did I Climax?". Since my JW ex-wife died October 22, 2018 still deeply indoctrinated at 46 y.o. this brings back a lot of memories of the damage of these kangaroo court "judicials". Just disgusting, these inquisitions. Glad to have walked out of this high-control cult. Good discussion J.T. and Daniel. Many awakened elders need to tell these very real-life stories that have damaged and negatively affected so many people.

Thank you for this video. I am an ExJW and have been in a few judicial committees. It’s been a very long time, 27 years, but I do remember having been asked some very personal questions. The situation was that my husband at the time made me go to the elders at the Kingdom Hall in the area where we were living and confess my adultery to them. We were inactive JWs at the time, we never even went to that congregation. I was only 26 years old and I don’t remember all the questions that they asked, but I did leave there feeling so humiliated. Thank you for your videos!

The irony of all this is that the actions taken by the society strike more fear in imperfect men and how they will judge you, rather than 'Jehovah'. As you always say JT...its mind-boggling when you look back at what we deemed normal.

The sort of questions those elders were asking could only be asked by the woman's gynecologist. Elder friends helping bail the other's kids out; *"One hand washes the other."* However, as Florida Evans said on an episode of Good Times ; *"But they won't get CLEAN if they're washed in DIRTY water"* .

Yeah being asked how many times did I 'sin' and with how many people was a joy to sit through. Then to have one of the elders tell my then husband of what I did was wonderful as well.

She had power. The power to walk out.

Spot on! My 2 friends and I had judicial hearings in 1995 after going on a cruise 🚢 and dipping too much into loose conduct with men on the ship. The detailed questions were humiliating and even worse, the 3 elders on our case were taking all these notes 📝 on their yellow note pads, and getting us mixed up in follow-up conversations on who did what. We all ended up getting privately reproved but were told we had to come to the special needs talk were they would discreetly discuss the subject but not mention names so our privacy would be protected. That was the worst humiliation of all. The brother that did it went on to describe in detail all of the definitions of pornea leading one to believe we had done ALL of these things - that were shocking. Even my friends and I - who lived it - were looking at each other thinking, ‘Girl, you did that?’ He also was throwing around statements like, ‘You don’t go on a vacation and leave your friend in her stateroom with someone of the opposite sex, with a mild caution to be careful.’ We all turned beet red! Who had just been on a cruise!? Everyone knew. He was calling us out without naming names. We would have rather gone up front and exposed our bare @sses for a public lashing than sit through that ‘private’ reproof session. It was redic. I was never the same after that and faded within 6-7 years.

Can I tell my story about my JC and I had an exploratory committee as well? I need to still be anonymous though due to family

I'm sick. Disgusted. Heartsick.

JT!!!! I can remember just that sort of questioning from the elders in my committee meeting. I also refused to answer anymore questions by stating if you are trying to determine if my actions were willfully committed, they were. I was young, a minor, and at one point they wanted my mother to be present. I flat out refused her presence as well. None of this was necessary to determine if my actions were willful. The elders had a hard time deciding how to "punish" me because I was already mentally out. So, I was disfellowshipped. I then purposely got reinstated just so that I could walk away without all of that drama. Being a child of a single parent, I had never been a part of the congregation anyway. I was already so disconnected and had essentially disassociated myself. I also heard "them" say that when asked to step out so that they could make a decision. I would also like to add that my mother was disfellowshipped when I was a child, yet old enough to understand the things that i happened to overhear. My mothers best-friends' husband, an abusive elder, was angry because my mother witnessed his behavior on multiple occasions, reached into our car and punched my mother as we were trying to leave. He told the other elders that my mother was "interfering" in his marriage, so they disfellowshipped her. My mother sadly stated "If this is Jehovahs' will." I could share so much more and would love to do so.

It was so traumatic ... i CANT REMEMBER any of it... Self protection... That's all I can think of... I blocked the experience.. 😞

Hello. I am an ex JW. I was baptized at 12 and was a regular pioneer at 12-22 y/o. 10 years. My father was an elder for the majority of my life and both my parents were pioneers for 20+ years. I went to pioneer school twice and have been on assembly parts over 5 times. I even participated with my parents as main characters in a convention Drama. For my graduation (which I was homeschooled though a jw based organization created by a CO) my parents took me to Bethel. I was only allowed to go to college for nursing after I met with the elders and I approved. My parents only allowed me to go with he promise that I would go to Bethel right after. All my friends growing up were JWs. I was the star child. The example. My father was the charismatic elder. My brother.... He is 1 y older than me. He was baptized the same day as me. Pioneered the same day as me. However I felt more was expected of him. This video made me cry. Like BAWL cry. My brother was disfellowshiped at 16. I was 15. It was so fast. He was removed as a pioneer the same night he was disfellowshiped. My parents made him go to the announcing meeting. He was broken after that. Now he is in jail and his life completely changed. Me? Well I got married at 21 to a brother. After 3 years he was unfaithful. His friends that were jw and elders/ms washed off his sins and let him move down to there area and congregation and blindly ignored his sins. Even though he was previously disfellowshiped but reinstated for having sex before marriage. Smh I left at 23 because I eventually saw the lies. The man made organization. The change of teachings so easily. Since then? Well my dad has not spoken to me since. My mom barely talks to me but when she does she is only talking about god and staying faithful to his organization. I am too afraid to speak fo my brother bc I am not disfellowshiped, just really inactive. In too scared that I will get in trouble by speaking to him bc he is disfellowshiped. Thabk you for sharing your videos and experience. I never comment on videos but I could completely relate. Our family was never the same when my brother was df... my father would beat him. He was an elder. My dad would tell my brother to lay down he would say "superman" my brother would have to lay his arms forward and my dad would whip him. Then tell him to get up and get ready for the meeting. No wonder most Jw that leave have depression. What's my dad doing now? This elder? This pioneer? I found out he was sexting a MAN. I confront him in front of my mom with proof. My mom explains she knows that my dad is Bisexual. That he left our family for a time to go off with other men. Now he is saying I'm not gay. Just bi. They try to normalize it. I was appalled. I didnt care he was gay or bi. But you go out and tell sisters and brothers it wrong and disfellowshiped them! This hypocrisy! I called an elder right there in the moment. I was that dedicated to the organization. I knew he needed God's direction. The brothers asked to speak to my dad and they met. The outcome? He was removed as elder and pioneer. But not disfellowshiped. I still dont understand. They say he repended and just slipped a little. But my brother who was younge couldn't have done the same thing?!?! I still suffer from the teachings and strict life we had bc of the organization but your videos are helping me feel that my feelings are valid. Thank you again!

7:20 Not only does the outcome depend on which Elders serve on your case, but what "status" or how "well liked" ones family is... I've observed it within the various congregations I attended.....

I can't even believe they ask question like like that on the committee cant be something God is behind. To me it sounds like something the governing body came up with not God spiritual in site my foot love you jt and lady cee my aunt and uncle are witnesses

Thanks for sharing this vital info.

Keep going guys, love it!!!!

I did receive some interesting questions as well but my concern was what took place after I was publicly reproved. I wanted to discuss something that was weighing on my heart with an elder. Now we know Elders are only supposed to meet with you and talk with you if there are two people or two elders. But this elder had me come over to his home. His wife and children were home. His son was a ministerial servant at the time. Now he could have invited his son or his wife to be that second person. But he didn't. We could have stayed upstairs in a room and talked but he chose to take me downstairs in the basement to talk about whatever was on my mind. Downstairs he had a daybed, TV playing & a chair. the basement wasn't even fixed up. He asked me to sit on the daybed and he sat on the chair. Once I was done telling him what was on my mind, his response was," oh that's it"! I can't help but think, what was he expecting? Was he expecting me to be hot in the pants? Are you trying to test me ? That scenario was always weird to me. There was some things that went down that were completely wrong and I could see it on some of the elders parts but there's not much you can say. And it wasn't really that I couldn't say anything but I didn't know I had the right to say anything. I was a Jehovah Witness for 39 years and I was also very naive.

For this organization to be run by the one perfect GOD... they sure do revise a lot

You get special treatment as an elder kid especially if you are a male. When i returned to the Hall after several years away. I explained the lifestyle had been living. I knew everyone on the body as i use to be an MS in the Hall and my dad was an elder there. I was privately reproved. One of the of the elders later told me they did me a favor. I’m sorry especially for women that go through this abusive process.