#exjw #Christmas #jehovahswitnesses Chicken Scratch Apologetics. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Christmas shouldn't be celebrated. They are taught is has pagan origins. Is that true? No, and history proves it, as you'll see.
Christ has set us free from religious superstition. "So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths," Col.2:16 This includes birthdays, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving...and all the festive food and drink that accompany. Freedom in Christ. Bondage in Watchtower.
This verse makes the opposite point. Paul was stating that the meat and drink offerings and the Jewish feast days and holy days and sabbaths were done away with by Christ's death which was the fulfillment of all those things and that no one may judge you for NOT keeping them as the Judaizers were wont to do which Acts 15 and Galatians deals with.
@@ThyWordIsTruthJ17 no. The Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower isn't in the Bible. Neither are Governing Board, organization, Publishers, pioneers and Kingdom Hall found anywhere in scripture. The church is only in the New Testament so the Old Testament "Jehovah's Witnesses" don't belong to a New Testament church. The church is called the witnesses of CHRIST (Revelations 20). The correct titles are: Apostles, prophets, evangelist, preachers and teachers are found in Ephesians 4 : 11 through 13. Bishops and deacons are found in 1st Timothy chapter 3. There are many New Testament scriptures for all of those. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a man-made American corporation according to Mathew 16 :18. It has no connection to The original church. The Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrites.
@@ThyWordIsTruthJ17 Correct. An excellent comment. How literally can I take Colossians 2:16 according to Matt Murdock's interpretation? Can I as a Christian observe Diwali? Ramadan? Halloween?
@@mattgardiner614 what about the day of the sun? The days of the week are named after ancient Greek dieties and the week was borrowed from the Babylonians. See the problem?
@@Episcopalianacolyte well we better rename the days, Moonday, treeday, Winday, Thirsthday , Flyday, Satinday, Missunday, love to see what someone else comes up with, all the best, and happy naming 🤔
According to the Jw leaders, when Jesus came in 1914-1919 & picked them as the true religion ,they were celebrating Christmas. They stopped celebrating around 1930. So it sounds as though the new leader at that time decided to stop them from celebrating Christmas & fabricated so called biblical reasons.
I disassociated 3 months ago but during a couple conversations with an elder I shed some truth on their new light. I had asked "why it is when other religions make predictions or teach things that prove to be false or wrong you consider them to be false prophets and false teachers of Christendom but when this organization does they get to make an adjustment in understanding with new light?" And I also told him that "the truth is always true and it's not subjective so when you're watching the annual meeting and they announce new light just remember that it means they didn't have the truth and neither did you". I hope my words echoed in his head and he felt that sense of hypocrisy when he watched the annual meeting.
It's funny how JW's are so concerned about the roots of beliefs etc. They don't even know the "roots" of their own religion. They can't even read the old publications and teachings of Russell and Rutherford since they got all the congregations to remove them from their libraries. The teachings they had back then would today be considered apostacy.
Just read it yourself research it yourself the birthdate of Christ is not in the scriptures this is not a JW issue this is a Christian deal pick up your Bible and look for it see if you can.
@@cruzingchamp You can believe he was born in July if it makes you happy. Why do Jehovah's Witnesses borrow titles from Corporate America instead of those found in Ephesians chapter 3 and 1st Timothy chapter 3?
@@cruzingchamp This claim can be thrown back onto you also. Please state from the Bible ANYWHERE where it states we (the real christians) are not allowed to observe Christmas or the day the Early Church used as his birthday. In logic, it's called "an argument from silence" Please cite any scripture which SPECIFICALLY state we are not to have a day of remembrance for Christ. IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC, if God didn't want us to celebrate such a day, most of the world over, surely God would have had the forethought and made a commandment of sorts. Remember the scripture must be specific. Also my learned friend, please advise what God would find wrong with Christmas. 1)we go to church 2) we read the bible 3) we sing hymns 4) we pray 5) we worship God 6) We thank the Father for Jesus. 7) Our Children are taught about God 8) Our families unite on this one day. 9) Our families thank God for the wonderful food. Seriously mate, you seem to be a sheep short in the top paddock, if you think that is evil or wrong.
“The early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’] birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”-The World Book Encyclopedia.
@@STROND A historical fact, and that's the reason why nobody knows what day he was born, and They don't want us to know. I think that he was born in the Springtime, or maybe Autumn
Great Video D H. It's like getting a Christmas Present every week. Mr D C1 enjoys his weekly Christmas present from You. I know I do. Every year we get to "rattle the cage" of our JW friends and every year we get exactly the same "predetermined response" the Faithful and Discreet Slave who enforces upon all JWs this humbug response. It's a real pity none of these JWs cannot identify that FDS supposedly chosen by Christ in 1919 who gives them all these doctrines to follow. FDS = Mysterious, Nameless, Secretive Identity whose edicts must be obeyed.
Xmas and all it's attachments is a load of jazz all the same. "what a Friend we have in Jesus" is the song the non-Christian merchants sing on the 26th Dec as the joke goes.... Send me a gift though😊
dude- i wiah you were there when my folks had the parent-teacher conferences to explain to the class why i didnt celebrate christmas with the other kids
I'm sorry, but when some group criticizes the beliefs of others for what some may have thought "originally", holding them accountable for beliefs they've never remotely claimed to hold, and then relies on this mythical phenomenon of "new light" to grant themselves license to avoid accountability for old beliefs, it strikes me as just a teensy bit hypocritical. ... Okay ... I lied. It strikes me as HUGELY hypocritical. What does JT say? "Nobody does hypocrisy like the WatchTower."
I believe during the council of Nicaea his hand met with the face of one Arius of Alexandria, the Father of Arianism. Is there a link towards that event and why JW’s don’t like ole Saint Nick? 🤷♂️
Should we respect each other's believes? Or should we raise awareness by illuminating the consciousness with spiritual truth that comes from the realization of a Holy spirit.
Did Jesus not die at thirty-three and a half years old? His death is on Nissan 14th, calling it April 1st round about, so, six months from that approximate date would be his birth would be sometime in October. Isn't the birth of a child something special a time of rejoicing does it matter when you actually celebrate it? Not in the slightest, there have been many times when I was unable to be with my children, such as when I was deployed in othere countries so I celebrated it with them when I came home, did my children care? Not at all. Its remembering the event, which is important not the precise day.
I gotta agree, it is pagan! The U.S. of A. didn’t allow Christmas to be celebrated until the early 1900’s because of its pagan roots. By the way, I am not a J.W. Blessings to you all! Let us all be like the Beareans and search the scriptures daily!
The important thing is celebrating Christ and why he came into the world. Church buildings have pagan roots as well. Christians took over Roman temples when our faith was made legal and I don't see anyone complaining about that. Nowhere in the Bible is such use mentioned. People met in each other's houses if you want to get technical (Acts 2).
@@LightoverDarkMinistry New Catholic Encyclopedia says that “the Nativity feast was instituted no earlier than 243 [C.E.],” more than a century after the last of the apostles died.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry remember as in we were commanded during the lord's evening meal to keep doing that/ partaking to remember him. Jesus made no such command for the anniversary of his birth, but his death. Jesus himself put emphasis on it. I'm saying let people remember the birth of the wish, but let us remember that we were commanded to remember his death/ resurrection
@@Renewthoughtlife where does the Bible say to remember the anniversary of Jesus’ death? Jesus told his followers (all his followers) to partake of bread and wine as symbols that commemorate his death until he comes (which hasn't happened yet). The early Christian's celebrated the Lord's supper weekly-on Sunday (Acts 20:6-7). So why do you only remember him once a year on a day other than Sunday, contrary to the practice of his disciples? Second, why can't you remember Jesus’ death at Christmas? Here is the second verse of Hark the Herald Angel Sing: Hail the heaven-born Prince of Peace! Hail the Sun of Righteousness! Light and life to all He brings Risen *(from what?)* with healing in His wings Mild He lays His glory by Born that man no more may die *(because he died for them)* Born to raise the sons of earth Born to give them second birth Hark! The herald angels sing "Glory to the new-born king" Have you never listened to Handel's Messiah or read Mary's benediction in Luke? How does God save his people Israel? By sending the Messiah to die for their sins. Angels proclaimed that a Savior had been born. How would he save? By dying himself. Christmas is about the birth of the one who would die. I'm sorry but the JW reasons for rejecting Christmas are nonsense.
@@kevinfromcanada4379 I'm confused you asked where did Jesus say to commentate his death then commented that he says exactly that? He hasn't come which is why we still partake. If you know that and you know what the emblems symbolism is why are you asking? You answered your own question. I also never said to only do it on the anniversary of his death. Wether that is the case or not was but my point. My comment was with regard to Jesus not giving a command to celebrate the anniversary of his birth, but to remember his death, and if a person what's to or not that's their business. And i am an ex jw lol you are preaching to the choir, most of what they believe is nonsense. I believe if any person does, or doesn't do something unto the Lord that's their conscience and their business unless it goes against the gospel then it needs to be exposed. Everything you said sounds lovely and nice, and it's wonderful you have so much love for Christ!
@@Renewthoughtlife my friend, I asked you where you find the command to celebrate the anniversary of his death i.e., yearly, which you seem to imply by "evening meal" since Jesus made no comment about the time of day it should be held. Second, as I pointed out, remembering Jesus’ death is part of the reason for celebrating his birth, so why shouldn't we remember it?
LOL. It's absolutely idiotic when it's given even a moment's thought. Christmas is about remembering the birth of Christ-God became human to die for his creation. JWs think Satan wants people to celebrate this? Satan wants to provide an opportunity for Christians to evangelize to non-Christians by the very act of celebrating this day? What nonsense! Satan wants people to not remember that Christ was born (like JWs), to call it X-mas (like JWs), to disparage it as "pagan" (like JWs), etc.. Funny how JWs are supporting Satan in rejecting Christmas-the celebration that Christ was born.
No one can celebrate Jesus's birthday because no one knows when it was. Oh yeah, we can always make one up can't we Do you know how stupid that sounds?
The alternative being that people just do nothing. Imagine telling Jesus what you just said. “Hey thanks for coming to earth and all. I was gonna celebrate your arrival but didn’t know what day it was, so I decided to do nothing instead, and just mocked people online who just used a placeholder date instead.”
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Oh, sorry. I thought Jesus said in Luke 22:19-20 how to remember him. If he wanted people to celebrate his birthday maybe he would have said, but he didn't did he? If we start making things up we all get lost in translation. Stick to the bible and one can't go wrong. How you came up with "decided to do nothing" is beyond me. Why the 25th of Dec? Did you know (me being a sheep farmer) we don't stay out with our sheep in the winter. Also, they wouldn't have seen a star in the sky in the winter. Cold air doesn't hold as much moisture as warm air can and this is the reason we don't see stars this time of the years. Do you have a Christmas tree up? Look at what the balls you hang up represent. Why don't you melt gold and make an gold bull to worship while you are at it. I think you've fallen off the right path and got lost. I'm trying to save you, not mock you. You don't need a made up day to thank Jesus or God. All you have to do is talk to Jesus at any time. One doesn't have to get down on ones knees, put their hands together, close one eye in order to talk, give thanks or say thank you. All one have to do is saying it in your mind and Jesus will not only hear it but the Angels will sing as he hear it. So, why do people give presents to each other and not to Jesus? It's his birthday isn't it You need to wake up before Satan really get a hold on you and drags you down with him. oh, and as for mocking people, ain't you doing that by attacking Jehovah Witnesses saying they have it all wrong and you having it all right? What makes what you are doing right? You are a sinner as they are and the rest of us. Get on with being with God, no mocking other how they believe to be the truth. What did Jesus say about hypocrites. All my family are JW's and I know they are wrong in their ways, but I'm not here to mock them or judge them. That's Gods job, not ours.
@@oldmanonamission8055 Tell you what, you tell me right now, why it is forbidden and a violation of God’s law to celebrate the birth and arrival of the savior. Don’t give me your opinion, if scripture remains your foundation of truth and how we please God, show me.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I didn't say it was a violation or forbidden. Having said that, can you show me where it states in the bible to celebrate Jesus birthday and on what day? If it was an important time, it would have been revealed to us all. When people start adding and taking away from the truth and message people start to wonder off the track and that will lead you in to a very dark place where God isn't. I'm not here to mock you, but help you stay on the right road.
@@oldmanonamission8055 Well let me respond to what you said... Oh, sorry. I thought Jesus said in Luke 22:19-20 how to remember him. If he wanted people to celebrate his birthday maybe he would have said, but he didn't did he? ?He never said in Luke 22:19 to remember his death only. He said remember him, all of him, who he is, that includes his arrival on to earth as the promised messiah. If we start making things up we all get lost in translation. Stick to the bible and one can't go wrong. How you came up with "decided to do nothing" is beyond me. > Ok, so when the angel's celebrate Christ's arrival, that's ok, but not me? Because I don't know the exact date, I should therefore do nothing? Or can I celebrate like the angel's did, and just go with the date the early church set as a place holder, because they wanted to recognize God. Why the 25th of Dec? >Did you watch the Video, I explain why. Do you have a Christmas tree up? Look at what the balls you hang up represent. Why don't you melt gold and make an gold bull to worship while you are at it. > They are decoration, come about only in the last 100 years having no connection to paganism. I think you've fallen off the right path and got lost. I'm trying to save you, not mock you. You don't need a made up day to thank Jesus or God. All you have to do is talk to Jesus at any time. > Which I do, everyday. One doesn't have to get down on ones knees, put their hands together, close one eye in order to talk, give thanks or say thank you. All one have to do is saying it in your mind and Jesus will not only hear it but the Angels will sing as he hear it. > Got to confess with your mouth too, Romans 10:8-10 So, why do people give presents to each other and not to Jesus? It's his birthday isn't it body-blue-raised-arms You need to wake up before Satan really get a hold on you and drags you down with him. > We do gives presents to Jesus, our lives. oh, and as for mocking people, ain't you doing that by attacking Jehovah Witnesses saying they have it all wrong and you having it all right? What makes what you are doing right? You are a sinner as they are and the rest of us. Get on with being with God, no mocking other how they believe to be the truth. > I am commanded by scripture to call out false gospels and lies. JW's teach things contrary to scripture and lead people after a different hope and a different Jesus, one that can not save. What did Jesus say about hypocrites. All my family are JW's and I know they are wrong in their ways, but I'm not here to mock them or judge them. That's Gods job, not ours. >I'm not mocking them, and I'm allowed to judged them, which I do, and that's scriptural. I love JW's, they are nice people, but trusting in damnable doctrines.
I saw in a Witness publication that Jesus was born around the Feast of the Tabernacles which is September/October and this has been supported by people I know through Christian circles. If we go back nine months from here where are we??? And when DOES life begin??? The GB don't want witnesses celebrating Christmas because they don't want them reading scriptures associated with Christmas otherwise they will find out who Jesus is and leave.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Christians don't believe in superstitious nonsense such as magic or witchcraft. Saying that you hope someone has a happy birthday or have a nice day isn't magic.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 3 verses about Gaurdian Angels. There are many more. Hebrews 1 : 14 Hebrews 13 : 2 Mathew 18 : 10 The doctrines of men (no Guardian Angels) or the Bible (their Angels in heaven always see the face of my father in heaven, Mathew 18 : 10)? It's up to you.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 no one today celebrates birthdays as they did long ago and not for the reasons they did long ago . The practices they did long ago on their birthdays are not being practiced today and besides that show a verse in the Bible where God says birthdays are not to be celebrated that they are forbidden or that they don't have God's approval ? Just because there are no scriptures that speak of the apostles celebrating their birthdays does not prove they didn't celebrate their birthdays and it does not mean that God does not approve of celebrating birthdays . The scriptures don't mention the apostles wearing a suit and tie , does that mean they are not approved by God?
Celebrate Jesus Christ daily not a pagan worldly holiday like the world. Of course every false religion has some element of truth, that’s why it’s so deceitful. Isaiah 9:6👑 Romans 10:9-10🙏 1 John 5:19😈
@@cygnustsp There's a difference between translating an existing Hebrew or Greek word, and CREATING the word, then translating it. "Jehovah" is a fabrication.
That would be speaking of idols. The context is someone who cuts down a tree, refashions the wood into an idol, decorates it with gold and silver. Mentioned that it can’t talk or walk, implying what’s been fashioned is an idol.
Not sure if they have read the verse in the Bible where God says "I want obedience NOT sacrifice" It is a bit like trying to reason with someone from the "flat earth society" no matter what proof you give them they just bury their head in the sand !
@@LightoverDarkMinistry New Catholic Encyclopedia says that “the Nativity feast was instituted no earlier than 243 [C.E.],” more than a century after the last of the apostles died. So the point I make is that God wants obedience, celebrating something SO PAGAN is putting you into a serious situation with God. Remember what happened to those who at the foot of mount Sinia who copied the pagans around them and made the golden calf, even saying "this is a celebration to Jehovah" 3,000 lost their lives ! This is what separates the wheat form the chaff, those who are prepared to PUT GOD FIRST, remember God said "to obey is better than the fat of rams" I would leave you with this piece of advise, DO NOT put God to the test !
Being raised a JW, I was also told that we do not celebrate birthdays because the birthdays in the Bible always showed something bad associated with them. The example I was given was the beheading of John the Baptist at King Herod's birthday. I never did, and never will understand how JW's can find only negative things in the Bible. They do not focus on the birth, life and death of Christ and the glory to come. Instead, all I remember hearing as a kid was the heroing stories of the witnesses who were being persecuted for their faith. They seem to celebrate persecution and trial. (The Bible tells us that there will be persecution and trials, but it certainly doesn't tell us to focus on them.) The terror as a kid hearing that we have to live through the tribulation or you would be dead forever. No heaven. No hell. In my mind, the god that they serve is cruel and uncaring about his people. That is not the God that I serve! My heart aches for those who have been blinded by these fallen men at the Watchtower Society. I pray for all JWs that their eyes will be opened to the deception that the face from this religion and that they will accept Christ as their Lord and Savior and that they can find the true blessing and joy that comes from being in Christ Jesus. MERRY CHRISTMAS to all! Celebrate the birth of our King and Savior!
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
Luke 4:33 Now in the synagogue there was a man with a spirit, an unclean demon, and he shouted with a loud voice: Matthew 12:28 But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the Kingdom of God has really overtaken you. Matthew 8:16 But after it became evening, people brought him many demon-possessed ones; and he expelled the spirits with a word, and he cured all who were suffering, Luke 8:2 as were certain women who had been cured of wicked spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magʹda·lene, from whom seven demons had come out;
Ok this was better than your Easter episode. Good job. Good points. Everyone look at Michael Heisers biblical proof that Jesus was very likely born on September 11th.
Jesus was born 40 days before Jewish temple christmas date Kislev 25 which was before Magi Dec 25 arrival at their house door. Logic dictates they would be in Jerusalem before they go to the temple on Kislev 25, and logic would say they were in Bethlehem before knocking on the Dec 25 door.
I agree we should celebrate the life of Christ everyday. But in a world that has drifted away from religion Christmas can be a day of reflection for some on the birth of Christ who have otherwise have been away from church. If they were to get rid of Christmas or Easter I think there would be less focus on religion in the secular world than there already is.
As a ex Jehovah witness it is a pagan holiday!! I did my research on it too! If you want to celebrate it then just do it! But one thing they was saying is right!!
Good point and true. They’ve said a lot of things that are right. Every religion has some truth. I guess if you can deal with the hierarchy and the complete cluster… of twisted control. Then it makes me wonder sometimes was this God’s master plan ?
Do it right celebrate Jesus and what He did for us, not the Christmas Day like the world or pagans, celebrate Christ not traditions of men. Luke 10:27💝
It’s not a pagan holiday. Do the right research. The angels sang when Jesus was born and worshipped him. There is nothing wrong with honoring the birth of Christ. Dec 25 is not his birthday - and putting gifts under a tree is weird and does have pagan roots …. But honoring the birth of Jesus and what it meant for the entire inhabited earth … is a very good thing . So maybe Advent is more your flavor. Just don’t participate in the WT black mass where they all pass the bread and wine - their “annual rejection of Christ” is what I call it.
I read the Bible over and over. Never found any mention of Jesus' birth date? His death date is however mentioned. Ecclesiastes 7:1 A good name is better than good oil, and the day of death is better than the day of birth. It is obvious that Christmas is a borrowed concept from those who are termed pagans.
JWs celebrated christmas until about 1919 with plenty of photos showing governing board members attending. But the real reason you're not allowed to do it now is like all other evils in the world. You're dollars need to go to your organization. What's wrong with that? I don't know. But at least they don't have to make excuses in laying down laws that you so willingly fallow, teaching as doctrine the precepts of men
Bible students etc. Did celebrate x mas, I've seen the pictures. The jw org started in 1932. The students researched popular customs and found many customs did not agree with scriptural principals,,, AND STOPPED PACTICING THOSE CUSTOMS. others know the truth and make excuses and continue to practice non scriptural customs. Sort of like children. Some obey their father, some don't. 😊😊
Nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to celebrate his birth, but even if it did, you are celebrating it on the wrong day and one full of pagan customs. "December 25 was already a major festival in the pagan Roman world, the Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, or `Birthday of the Unconquered Sun,' a feast honoring the renewal of the sun at the winter solstice. Pagan celebrations on December 25 had included feasting, dancing, lighting bonfires, decorating homes with greens, and giving gifts. So when this became a Christian [?] festival, the customs continued, but with a Christian [?] meaning imparted to them." - p. 414, Vol. 4, Encyclopedia International, Grolier, Inc., 1966. - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, "Most of the Christmas customs now prevailing in Europe [and America] ... are not genuine Christian customs, but heathen customs which have been absorbed or tolerated by the Church... The Saturnalia in Rome provided the model for most of the merry customs of the Christmas time.... Christmas inherited the general merriment in a more restrained form (excessive only in eating and drinking) [but see 1 Pet. 4:3, 4]: games, giving of gifts (especially to children), abundance of sweet meats and, as more ceremonious elements, burning of candles..." - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Hastings, Vol. III, pp. 608, 609
The custom: According to tradition, Jesus’ birth took place on December 25 and is celebrated on that date. “Christmas,” says the Encyclopedia of Religion, means “‘Christ’s Mass,’ that is, the mass celebrating the feast of Christ’s nativity,” or birth. Its roots: “The establishment of December 25 evolved not from biblical precedent,” says The Christmas Encyclopedia, “but from pagan Roman festivals held at year’s end,” about the time of the winter solstice in the Northern Hemisphere. Those festivals included the Saturnalia, in honor of Saturn, god of agriculture, “and the combined festivals of two sun gods, the Roman Sol and the Persian Mithra,” says the same encyclopedia. Both birthdays were celebrated on December 25, the winter solstice according to the Julian calendar.
Those pagan festivals began to be “Christianized” in the year 350, when Pope Julius I declared December 25 to be Christ’s birthday. “The Nativity gradually absorbed or supplanted all other solstice rites,” says the Encyclopedia of Religion. “Solar imagery came increasingly to be used to portray the risen Christ (who was also called Sol Invictus), and the old solar disk . . . became the halo of Christian saints.
Remember what happened to those who at the foot of mount Sinia who copied the pagans around them and made the golden calf, even saying "this is a celebration to Jehovah" 3,000 lost their lives ! This is what separates the wheat form the chaff, those who are prepared to PUT GOD FIRST, remember God said "to obey is better than the fat of rams" I would leave you with this piece of advise, DO NOT put God to the test !
@@STROND JWs also use pagan things, wedding rings, ties, funeral flowers, white weddings dresses, brides maids, the symbol of the watchtower in many of their publications, etc etc etc. I have coloured lights up all year including my patio all summer, guess I'm a labeled one all year.
OK, a lot that I could say, but I will just mention a couple of things. One, Jews didn't celebrate anyone's birthday in Jesus' day because they recognized the link with Astrology. Also, you make it sound like only JW's have a problem with Christmas. Many "Christians" do. Christmas was banned in the UK after the English civil war, and the puritans who emigrated the America didn't celebrate it either. Groups today don't celebrate it. In fact, here on RU-vid, a poster called 'TiborasaurusRex' (NOT a JW) has an excellent 3-part series on it, and if you looked, so do many other CLEARLY non-JW channels. The star was obviously sent by Satan. Remember: it did not guide the magi directly to Jesus. It first led them to Jerusalem and King Herod who wanted to kill Jesus. That would have happened if God hadn't warned them in a dream to go home by another route
You said, "Jews didn't celebrate anyone's birthday in Jesus' day because they recognized the link with Astrology." Show me your biblical sources to confirm this. I've seen "TiborasaurusRex" and his arguments are easily debunked, I recommended, InspiringPhilosophy as he goes into detail with sources, "The star was obviously sent by Satan." There is no evidence for this whatsoever, and it's blasphemy to assume such. The star is supposed to represent Christ as a sign of his coming. They knew he was to be born around Jerusalem, so they would have gone to Harrod anyway. You also ignore the gifts, that are and example of who Christ is, and the gifts would have supported a poor family going to Egypt, that's the Lord providing. There is nothing about the star that proves it's created by the devil, nor is there a verse to support that. It also questions God's sovereignty, as if he couldn't stop Satan's actions to protect is only son. For JW's to hold this believe is Satanic and unbiblical, created only so they can't paint Christian's as Satan worshipers or pagans. It's abhorrent and a slap in the face to God's prophetic word, the birth of the savior and the absolute sovereignty of the Almighty God.
@@LightoverDarkMinistryYou said, " It also questions God's sovereignty, as if he couldn't stop Satan's actions to protect is only son." Noooo No! Did I not say "That would have happened if God hadn't warned them in a dream to go home by another route."? So protect him he did. I guess if Jesus was off limits to Satan, somebody forgot to tell Satan. Satan and the demons know what's instore for them and that they will lose. (James 2:19) Didn't stop Satan from trying to tempt Jesus off his course in Matthew 4, and - when it would have done him the least good - didn't stop him from influencing Judas to betray him in John 13 which did lead to his death. "The evening meal was going on, AND THE DEVIL HAD ALREADY PUT IT INTO THE HEART OF JUDAS ISCARIOT, THE SON OF SIMON, TO BETRAY HIM." (John 13:2) "After Judas took the piece of bread, THEN SATAN ENTERED INTO HIM. So Jesus said to him: "What you are doing, do it more quickly." (13:27) Read the entry for 'Satan' in 'Insight on the Scriptures Vol. 2'. More specifically the subheadings 'His fight to destroy the "seed."' and 'Efforts to cause Jesus to stumble'. You said, "The star is supposed to represent Christ as a sign of his coming." So, rather than taking the Magi DIRECTLY to Bethlehem, it first took them to Jerusalem. It was King Herod, not the "star," that was the first to direct the astrologers to Bethlehem. God intervened and told the men NOT to return by way of Jerusalem as Herod had asked. What chain of events then ensued? "Then Herod, seeing that he had been outwitted by the astrologers, flew into a great rage, and he sent out and had all the boys in Bethʹle·hem and in all its districts killed, from two years of age and under, according to the time that he had carefully ascertained from the astrologers." (Matthew 2:16) If your understanding was the correct one; that would kind of make Jehovah complicit in the so-called 'Massacre of the Innocents' wouldn't it? That would appear to me to be a pretty sizable hole in your argument. (Job 34:10) You say, in regards to my comments on birthdays, "Show me your biblical sources to confirm this. " I can't. Nor can you show me any that they did. I can, though, refer you to: 1) "The notion of a birthday festival was far from the ideas of the Christians of this period." (The History of the Christian Religion and Church, During the Three First Centuries, translated by H. J. Rose, 1848, p. 190) 2) "Origen [a writer of the third century C.E.] . . . insists that ‘of all the holy people in the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod) who make great rejoicings over the day on which they were born into this world below."" (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913, Vol. X, p. 709.) And 3) the Jews "“regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship . . . , and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were regarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born." (M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopædia 1882, Vol. I, p. 817)
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I forgot something just now. Also in regards to the star being in response to prophecy concerning Christ's coming. I've never heard anyone claim that Numbers 24:17 was talking about , as you put it "The Christmas Star". I believe this verse is talking about Jesus himself. (Cross reference with Revelation 22:16)
@@mattgardiner614 You know scholarship from the 1800’s isn’t exactly scripture. You need to understand, the Watch Tower makes you see things from only one view. You want look at the hundreds of opposing views, just the one. Scholarship has gotten much better in the last 100 years, If most the sources are from the 1800’s that’s not a good sign. I encourage you to read what Origen wrote, as i mentioned it in the video. Far as the prophecy in numbers is concerned, yes, the star represents Christ, but somehow you think the one that appears isn’t a fulfillment of prophecy or something Jewish wise men would have understood to be prophetic, it’s just satan. Again, you have no verse to support it, only “well it led them to Harod” so what. God’s cloud led the Israelites to the mountain and they worshiped a cow and God destroyed them. So maybe the cloud was Satan!?! 😑 point is, star led them to Jesus, and God corrected their Harod error, and the gifts were welcome as was their presence as Matthew uses it to show how important Jesus is. But you want to assume the writers just left this important part out.
@@mattgardiner614 OMG none of this even happened lol, I love these arguments about who got what right about something that history knows nothing about lol
A stare ( super nova) was born when Jesus was this is true the three wise men went to the Roman ruler to ask where the new king of the Jews was so they could worship him, the Roman replied I don’t know you find him come and tell me and I will go worship him too. So a light appeared and guided the three men to the house of Jesus. So who would want to give away his hiding place to have the Romans kill him God or Satan?
they say Jesus picked them in 1918 but there no such thing till 1931 before they were bible students so he picked the bible students right. there is so many holes in there doctrine the truth destroys the so called truth
Christmas did not come into existence until the third century CE in ancient Rome no doubt by Emperor Constantine the founder of the Catholic church and a sun worshiper. December 25 was the Christianizing of the dies solis invicti nati (“day of the birth of the unconquered sun”), a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. The 1st century Christians had nothing to do with birthdays.
Jws don't encourage friendship with non jws?, DA? Who is reaching out to you when we discuss bible at door or have studies, Does any other religion reach out to you like this!! No,
TWO simple quick literal facts. Dcember 25 is not winter solstice during these 4000 years 2020bc to 2024AD. It is winter solstice only (150 years) during Persian kings Cyrus and Darius. Fact two all calendars merge 2021bc Dec 25 to 2020bc Feb 2 as 40 days for an event called Dec 25 Christ Mass (Xisuthros Mass = Christos Mass) death of Noah claimed gone to heaven to be the last ruer before the Flood (who ruled 18 sars 180 years while Noah was 420 to 600. It is the MEMORIAL; of Noah's death as our savior.
Hes right ,, no letter J untill 1500. So ,, no Jesus, no joshua, . The original J had germanic sound of y . Ie yager / jager. Only english puts sound of J. On letter J . Thus we go from , yahovah. To Jehovah.
Chuck Russell would be ashamed to find what his movement turned into. He loved Christmas and Christian freedom. There actually are still practicing "Russellites" and have a ministry and presence online but pretty few and far between.
Well not to be a Holiday killer but the JWs are right 100% on the birthday of Christ his actual birthdate is not in the scriptures period the Holiday is great but for people to just come up with a birthdate is wrong example in the book of Exodus when Moses brought the tablets down the people below made up a celebration and called it something for Jehovah many died for doing that making up a birthdate or a celebration ( CALF) just to suit businesses or God himself is totally wrong I celebrate Christmas but I don't celebrate it b/c Christ was born on December 25th you can piece together what happened in Exodus with the 1st 2 commandments once you got that then comeback to why Jesus Birthday is not in the scriptures anyway Happy Holidays don't revel too much drive safely and enjoy your time off.
@@evanwindom3265 , Your right 100% date means nothing but we can't make up dates b/c as accurate the holy scriptures are God Jehovah or Yaweh would have put that date in there it is not and Christians need to know why so that they can make their own decisions if it's ok . happy holidays this Holiday in my opinion are for my kids and grandchildren nothing more.
@@evanwindom3265 Remember what happened to those who at the foot of mount Sinia who copied the pagans around them and made the golden calf, even saying "this is a celebration to Jehovah" 3,000 lost their lives ! This is what separates the wheat form the chaff, those who are prepared to PUT GOD FIRST, remember God said "to obey is better than the fat of rams" I would leave you with this piece of advise, DO NOT put God to the test !
Keep NOT the traditions of men. Read: Deut. 12:29-32(as example). You do NOT get to worship YAH however you wish. Lean not unto your OWN understanding. Proverbs 3:5. In short, true followers will adhere to the celebrations afforded them in scripture. Nothing else. Once gifted, you are to be LEAD by the Set Apart/Holy Spirit. You do not lead him. That all might go well with you, pray and fast for your answers. But do not seek them from men. If you are doing what the majority are doing, then you are not living a set apart life as required of HIS people. Be transformed from a physical walk, to a spiritual walk while IN the flesh. Let those with ears, hear. Shabbat shalom
Dude what? You used Deut 12:29-32, God telling people not to worship God like the pagans do, as in "They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods." Yeah because every Christmas celebration comes with a child sacrifice -_- . and I do not get to worship Yah anyway I wish? According to the Bible, or what the leader says? Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day- 17 things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 3:16-17 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God. So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
The Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Board removed verses and changed others to approve of their beliefs instead of changing what they believe to conform to the Bible. Their beliefs are idolatry because they replace GOD. They chose a man who had only two years of Greek from the University of Cincinnati to translate the Bible. He was told to remove all references to the divinity of the messiah. The result was a counterfeit of the true GOD inspired word that has many contradictions and doesn't make sense. The true Bible contains everything we need to be saved so the best translation is needed. If the NWT were so accurate, Everyone would have one. No church uses the New World Translation since it doesn't contain the truth.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I researched it. Did Fitzgerald(?) not have only 2 years of Greek? Where are his transcripts? I have had 4 years of Greek and I certainly don't believe I could translate a Greek manuscript. Most people wouldn't.
It's no surprise that the WT/slave doesn't celebrate the birth of Christ. It doesn't fit with goals to make the "slave" preeminent in people's lives. According to their own words : - Your spiritual health depends on them. - Your relationship with God depends on them. - Your understanding of scripture depends on them. - Your very salvation depends on your support of them. - Jesus is just an angel and is only half of the Christ. They are the other half. The role is not fulfilled without them. - They also prohibit gatherings for study/instruction/prayer that are not mandated or scheduled by the society. There's no "arrangement" for that. (That's from a letter to the elders, which they typically don't share with publishers. Why is that? What's the purpose of all the cloak-and-dagger stuff?) - They consider their manual for shepherding the flock to be highly confidential. If everything they do is based on scripture, why would that be necessary? Why not walk in the full light of day? They've minimized the role of Jesus, rendered scripture as a sideline to their publications, and destroyed the teaching and edification work of the Holy Spirit? They have torn down the things of God and raised themselves up as a replacement. And they accuse others of idolatry for putting an evergreen tree in their house...
SEEMS DARK LIGHT IS LYING ABOUT MANY FACTS REGARDING THE ANCIENT ROMAN TRADITIONS AND PRACTICES CONCERNING SATURNALIA AND THE DAYS THAT FOLLOWED INTO THE WINTER SOLSTICE Macrobius (5th century CE) presents an interpretation of the Saturnalia as a festival of light leading to the winter solstice.[34][14](1.1.8-9) The renewal of light and the coming of the new year was celebrated in the later Roman Empire at the Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus, the "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," on December 25.[35] ROME'S ADOPTION OF CHRISTIANITY (300 CE.) CONVERTED THESE OLD TRADITIONS INTO NEW GOD OF WORSHIP AND PRAISE TOWARD JESUS CHRIST THEIR NEW GOD OF LIGHT. One widespread explanation of the origin of this date is that December 25 was the Christianizing of the dies solis invicti nati (“day of the birth of the unconquered sun”), a popular holiday in the Roman Empire that celebrated the winter solstice as a symbol of the resurgence of the sun, the casting away of winter and the heralding of the rebirth of spring and summer.
Ya know there is no evidence of a Roman celebration on the 25th before Hippolytus of Rome wrote that the 25th was the recognition was of his birth. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share you source.
561bc Dec 25 is an anointing of King Cyrus so your claim it isnt existing is false. The birth of his kingship doesnt mean born as baby. Likewise Dec 25 is not solstice in 1498bc yet it was the date Kayak 25 and lacking 365 leap days does not return on Dec 25 until 38bc, explaining how a king Herod 41bc goes to Rome in 38bc to be re-crowned by the king of the world as king of Jerusalem. The Greeks of 1498bc and 778bc therefore followed Dec 25, and they claimrapture is not Noah's death (the true 2021/2020bc) but rapture up of the ark in Flood 2958bc Dec 25 to Feb 2. Sadly the water mass doesnt caclulate because it is not 40-day rain that totals 2 miles of water UPWARD but 150-day baptism of mountains going DOWN. Tis idea the ark raptured in 40 days not 150 days unveils most of the world thinks full water-extreme on that day 40.Point is 1498bc Dec 25 is when Flood 2958bc Dec 25 was reconstructed by Greeks. However, it is preceded by Assyrian 2970bc or 2960bc based on 600-year 365-day /or 600-year 360-day (loss of 8.5 years but claimed as 10 years to Babel such as 2970-2240bc 730 egyptian years confused with formula 730 of 360-day = 720 egyptian). British proclamation of 1763 Free religion where Anglican is only state religion of king not ALL Christian citizens is based on 2300 year dead-Daniel 538bc, but declares year 1733 war as year 6000 using Samritan 1307am Flood in 2960bc (Noah dies in 1656am).
Satan is the tree goddess. Her branches are in the heavens and her roots in the earth. She inspires the angels in heaven to rebel and come down to the earth. The angels are the shiny dewdrops. So the lighted Christmas tree represents Satan and her rebellion. The arrival of the Messiah is celebrated in the Fall by the festival of booths. Christ's sacrifice is celebrated during Passover week. But that means Christ becomes human at the time of the winter solstice. So Jehovah's Witnesses pointed out in the sixth volume of "Studies In The Scriptures" that the Annunciation occurred on December 25th. So when Christ becomes human it is always on the 25th of December. So December 25 is relevant. The annunciation occurred on December 25 and the second coming took place on December 25. Thanks for posting these details. Now inform us about how pagan Easter is. I'm anxious to see how much you actually know. Have a blessed day.
@@evanwindom3265 I know of no scriptures saying Satan is the tree goddess. Satan is one of the two covering cherubs in the Most Holy. The other covering cherub is Michael the archangel. That means Satan and Michael were husband and wife. Information about the tree goddess comes from secular sources. I got this information from the book 'The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, a book once published by the Watchtower Society.
Should Christmas be celebrated? What does the Bible say? Remember 2 Timothy 3:16 says that all scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight….. Christmas tree?? Jeremiah 10:1-5 says do not learn the way of the nations….for the customs of the people are a delusion……it is a tree of the forest that is cut down……they adorn it silver and gold….and fasten it with hammer and nails so it won’t fall over. What about the star of Bethlehem that is normally placed on top of the Christmas tree? This ‘miraculous’ star first led the astrologers to King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. After Herod, the star immediately led the astrologers straight to Jesus. After Jesus, they started back to Herod, but one of God’s angels told them to go a different way. Matthew 2:1-12 What about Santa? Are we telling false stories? 2 Timothy 4:4 1Timothy 4:7 2 Peter 1:16 1 Timothy 1:4 What about birthdays? Ecc 7:1 says that your day of death is better than your day of birth. Did you know that there are 2 places in the Bible where someone was celebrating a birthday? Phar’aoh celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Genesis 40:20 Herod celebrated his birthday. Was he a worshipper of God? Matthew 14:6 In both of these accounts, someone died, one of them being John the Baptist, Jesus’ own cousin. Please remember 2 Timothy 3:16.
Whenever you see a JW or a JW publication using ellipsis you should immediately suspect that they are misrepresenting their source. Case in point is Steve's citation of Jeremiah 10. Is this speaking about Christmas trees? Not at all, but with the ellipsis he makes it appear as if the passage is speaking about Christmas trees. Let's look at the passage without the ellipsis: For the religion of these people is worthless. *They cut down a tree in the forest, and a craftsman makes it into an idol with his tools.* He decorates it with overlays of silver and gold. He uses hammer and nails to fasten it together so that it will not fall over. Such idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field. They cannot talk. They must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them because they cannot hurt you. And they do not have any power to help you.” (Jer. 10:3-5 NET) As we can see, this passage is speaking about people who cut down a tree and craft it into an idol. They decorate the idol that they've made with silver and gold. Do Christians cut down a tree and carve it into an idol that they worship? No. This is a classic example of JWs ripping verses out of context.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Thanks for your kind comment. To touch on this further, What if the ‘star of Bethlehem’ wasn’t from God, but from Satan or one of his goons. Think about it. This ‘miraculous’ star first led the astrologers to King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. After Herod, the star immediately led the astrologers straight to Jesus. After Jesus, they started back to Herod, but one of God’s angels told them to go a different way. Matthew 2:1-12 Why did the star first lead the astrologers to Herod, instead of straight to Jesus?
Before I answer your question about the star, I want you to admit that you ripped Jeremiah 10:3-5 out of context and that it doesn't have anything to do with Christmas trees. If you are not willing to be honest about something that is so blatantly obvious, then there is no point in engaging with you.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth King James puts it this way: Jeremiah 10:3 “For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.” American Standard: “For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe.” The Emphasized Bible: “For as for the prescribed customs of the peoples vanity they are,-For a tree out of the forest one cutteth down, Work for the hands of a skilled workman with the axe:” New World Translation: “For the customs* of the peoples+ are just an exhalation, because it is a mere tree+ out of the forest that one has cut down, the work of the hands of the craftsman with the billhook.” 🤔🤔🤔
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. (Jer. 10:3-5 KJV) Why would a Christmas tree speak? Why would people be afraid of a Christmas tree? Do you think that a Christmas tree can speak? Do you thin that people are afraid of Christmas trees? Of course not! This passage is speaking about making an idol out of wood and worshiping it. The idol (made of wood) has a mouth (because the artisan gave it one) but it cannot speak-because it is not alive but made of wood. People are afraid of the idol because they think it is really a god. Is this passage speaking of Christmas trees? No. You have to be a completely devoid of any intelligence to think this passage is speaking of Christmas trees, but since JWs are not honest people, you refuse to admit such things.
NEW SUBSCRIBER HERE: In their 2003 Awake article about pinatas they went on about the history...how they were used in religious practices, birthdays, Pagans and such...even still to this day! BUT they also said it does not matter what it was used for 100's of years ago! What something meant 100 years ago, is NOT what it means today. The important thing is how it's viewed today! So using a pinata in a celebration or having CHIMES....it’s Ok if it's used for " fun"! Christmas isn't religious to all who celebrate...its for FUN! Thanksgiving is a time with family...the turkey...FUN (and yummy) Birthday presents and cake....Fun! All for fun!
Jesus instructed us to love Jehovah, but false Christians are doing the opposite the video. One day ya'll will wake up. Matthew 22:37. False prophets ignore that scripture.
Oh I love this scripture :) I surely do love YHWH will all my heart, soul, mind and strength. Guess I’m not a false prophet. Of course I never claimed to be a prophet so not sure what you’re accusing me of.
@Light over Dark Ministry You basically, admitted to being a false prophet. When did I accuse you of anything? You assumed. You're also a hypocrite by talking about Jehovah and Jesus and agreeing with the video. You're calling Jehovah a liar, yet you love him.
@@travishardy1761 Travis, let me ask a Bible question since you claim you have the truth, and you follow the scriptures exactly. Should I call on Jesus? That would be praying, so should I pray to Jesus, call out to the Lord?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry When did I say I have the truth. The truth is in the Bible. You just have to read it instead of listening to what your friends and family say. Look at Matthew 22:37.
@@travishardy1761 I’ve read the Bible and it told me Jesus was God incarnate. ( John 20:28) Should I stop listening and instead put my trust in men and listen to their interpretations?
Genesis 9:13-15 - "I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh." That's the Biblical background of the rainbow. And yet the LGBTQ*.* community has so thoroughly co-opted it that the majority of the world is no longer aware of the Biblical origin, and most Christians are afraid to celebrate it. Why should a group like that tell us what something should mean to us? Should we lay aside remembrance of a gift from God because someone else has perverted the symbol? May it never be so. Why treat Christmas any differently? Who really cares if pagans once used trees or candles for their own purposes? Should we therefore ignore all of the Biblical uses of the word "candle", which is used to describe light, life and good news just because someone else uses it in some sinful ritual? Of course not. The "thing" is not important. I keep candles around my house to provide light on the frequent occasions that a winter storm knocks out my power, or on the rare occasion when the fish I fried for support stunk up the kitchen. Are those uses of candles also pagan? Certainly not. The intention -- the "heart" if you will -- behind using the candle is what matters. If a brightly lit evergreen causes Christians to be more mindful of Christ's birth and the ultimate purpose it served, and those thoughts invoke in us gratitude and joy, should we care that others may have used trees for different purposes in the past? Of course not. If we put up trees and then indulge in some sort of pagan rites around them, we must certainly cast off such things. But that's not why Christians put up trees. Can we not reclaim the use of trees, candles, and song to the glory of God? We can -- and we SHOULD. Let's not let the pagans decide what we can and cannot do. 1 Corinthians 8:8-9 -- "But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak." If the faith of someone like a JW is weak such that the use of tree, candle or song would cause them to stumble or to cling more firmly to their own bondage, let's not push our liberty on them. We don't need to prove to them that celebrating the birth of Jesus is okay, but neither should we wave it in their faces if it makes them more resistant to the true Gospel, which they do not yet apprehend. How foolish would we be to win the argument, only to lose the soul. Let's enjoy our liberty in Jesus and treat the JWs as Peter suggests -- with gentleness and respect. (I'll be the first to admit that I fail in this regard frequently, but God isn't finished with me yet.)
The RAINBOW IS FROM GOD and it is not bad. What is BAD is if the PRACTICE IS something that GOD detests such as WITCHCRAFT, MAGIC, SPIRITISM AND IDOLATRY which all are ingredients of the origin of Christmas and birthday celebrations
@@Mr.DC3.1914 If that's what you think, then you probably shouldn't celebrate them. If you don't bother to understand what Christmas means to Christians today, then you definitely shouldn't celebrate it. But don't judge me until you know what I believe. I'm not going to discuss this with you, because you're not willing to hear any voices but your own and those of the Octopope, though there's little enough difference there.
@@evanwindom3265 I'm not judging you, I'm just telling you what the Bible and history say. tell me when the ORIGIN of Hitler salute and Hitler's flag will no longer matter?
@@evanwindom3265 Exodus 32:5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. Then Aaron called out: “There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow.” calling a PRACTICE OF PAGANS, and IDOLATRY as a FEAST for GOD does NOT MAKE IT RIGHT, IT IS STILL IDOLATRY. Same with Christmas and birthday celebrations, the ORIGIN CAME FROM SPIRITISM, IDOLATRY AND WITCHCRAFT, calling them Celebration for Christ, MASS for CHrist(from Catholics I think) does not make it right as it is still the same
@@LightoverDarkMinistry from this book - The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@mmltpb14 Should Christians PARTAKE on things that have ORIGIN WITH MAGIC AND WITHCRAFT AND SPIRITISM? from this book - The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day.
The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Saturnalia, a Roman feast celebrated in mid-December, provided the model for many of the merry-making customs of Christmas. From this celebration, for example, were derived the elaborate feasting, the giving of gifts, and the burning of candles.” The Encyclopædia Britannica notes that “all work and business were suspended” during Saturnalia.
@Kyroblox Christians worship only GOD, not a pagan deity. Will we be condemned for worshipping GOD on December 25th? Will we be condemned for singing praise about the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophesy? Are we to be judged harshly for reading the sacred texts about the birth of JESUS? We do the same thing on Christmas as every other day of worship. So get over it.
@Kyroblox you have allowed men who choose the titles of corporations and businesses instead of those given by GOD in 2nd Timothy chapter 3 and Ephesians chapter 4. That should tell you where their priorities are. They place heavy yokes and impossible burdens on you. You shun family and friends in ignorance of Mathew 7 : 1 through 5; 9 and 10 and especially verse 12. Yes, they give the scriptures, but remember, they changed the Bible from the original manuscripts based on what they think it should say. They made uneducated guesses to determine it. They are deceiving you.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry as Mclintock mentions "In fact, the later Jews at least regarded birthday celebrations as parts of idolatrous worship (Lightfoot, Hor. Hebr. ad Matthew 14:6), and this probably on account of the idolatrous rites with which they were observed in honor of those who were retarded as the patron gods of the day on which the party was born"
@@LightoverDarkMinistry The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton “Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties. They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles... The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...”
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Mr. D good to see you, you know it’s even funnier about your own religion Mr. D is the fact that they say that Christmas came from pagan origin. Actually pagan stole the Christmas idea from Christians that is fact. Secondly it’s really funny how that you as a Jehovah’s Witness would actually come onto a channel like this and start more stuff, and also not have faxed back you up just like you tried to debate me and I absolutely obliterated you and destroyed you on every single stinking comment that you gave. Not only that but also it’s even funnier that you as a Jehovah’s Witness yourself when you said that Jesus is an eternal but your own New World translation says that is eternal but you yourself say he’s not eternal going with your own teachers is even more funny. And continuing in the hilarity of it all your own teachers completely contradict them selves every step of the way because you’re only will translation actually contradicts the teachings of your teachers by far. For instance that Jehovah God is coming physically on the clouds of heaven in Jesus Himself claims to be the eternal God of all creation who’s coming on the clouds of heaven according to Revelation chapter 1 verse seven and eight, and also that your own teachers believe that Jehovah God is called the first and the last and that Jehovah God himself in revelation chapter 2 verse eight and Revelation chapter 1 verse 17 and 18 Jehovah God Himself says in this very passage that he himself died. Also it’s even more ironic and funny that you yourself don’t even know scripture and it’s even more funny and ironic that you guys also teach that a eternal force created everything and that the Holy Spirit is not a person even though your own New World translation completely contradicts what you just said because an eternal force cannot be lied to, so according to ask chapter 5 verse three and four in your New World translation the Holy Spirit is called God by Peter and is also said to be lied to you because you can only light of God and God is an eternal spirit so that would make The Holy Spirit god of all eternity. Along with the son and the father. And it’s even funnier and more ironic that you as a ignorant Jehovah’s Witness who knows nothing of Scripture and refuses to read the very Scriptures that I gave you from your own New World translation. So naturally what’s even funnier is that when you bash Christmas and say that Christmas came from Pegan origin how about this did you know that your own roots of the Jehovah’s Witness organization is steeped imp ionism oh it absolutely is you guys are Polytheus because you guys both say oh Jesus is the true God plus Jehovah God the father is the true God you can’t have two true gods there’s only one so then that would mean that Jesus is either a false God or the true and living God of the Old Testament, so we’re going to go with the latter and that would mean that Jesus is the true and living out of the Old Testament so if you have two true gods and that’s polytheism genius that’s even more funny. So it’s funny to say that Christians celebrate a pagan holiday when you yourself have on your own watchtower publications a pagan solar disk coming from Egypt, Christians don’t celebrate paganism paganism stole Christmas from Christians. However your entire Jehovah’s Witness roots are steeped in paganism and the solar disc is one of them. Also Jehovah’s Witnesses founder Charles Taze Russell is buried underneath a pagan symbol in Philadelphia Pennsylvania, and that is he is buried underneath a pyramid and wrapped in a pagan garment which was a toga he’s wrapped in it.
