I began working in Leeds hospitals in my early 20s which was in the mid 90s. Whenever Savile was around in the department the male staff and the much old sisters would metaphorically muscle us women out of the way which really pissed us off at the time. I suspect I now know exactly why they did that and I’m very grateful to them for it.
@@mushroomhead3619 You cannot rape a dead human being if looking at the legal definition of rape. Necrophilia is the correct term and I cant say or not say whether he undertook such a practice whilst working as a hospital porter.
That's disgusting that they knew and did nothing. They should all face charges! Everyone that knew including all the hospital workers not just the powerful people should say charges
And the culture was very different. What was acceptable behaviour in 1985 is not acceptable today. Can go to jail for kissing someone today for example. When I grew up rape meant rape. Today rape is dependant on someone's feelings about what happened, not objectively verifiable facts. Which is wrong for many reasons, especially that post-hoc buyers remorse often becomes "rape". 2 identical sets of events, 1 will be rape the other not because of a mental factor called "consent". There needs to be objectivity when it comes to law. Violence or coercion must be used, which is an objectively ascertainable fact. Refuse to see things another way. Things have swung too far in the wrong direction way beyond the point of balance. Sperm count is at its lowest in history. There is a war against men. Satanic forces are behind it. Collapse of Western society is imminent and inevitable now. When the law of the jungle is re established in the aftermath, everyone will be begging for real men to protect them from the horrors. The pendulum will swing the other way again. Neither of the extremes is good. Everyone has the responsibility to increase their IQ and spiritual awareness to benefit all of humanity; even one person waking up really matters.
What did he say when they asked what he does in the caravan? Additionally, wasn't there a political party or something that was for paedophilia? in the 70's?
I remember as far back as the eighties my mother in particular saying there was something very, very off about Savile. In fact it's curious how nobody ever actually seemed to actively be a fan of him at the time, he was just sort of there on TV all the time, with the media telling us he was popular and a "national treasure" while everyone shrugged and said "well, I think he's a bit weird, but whatever".
@Babblebrox One time in the late 80s Savile came to open an annual festival thing in my home town. I used to go to that every year, but as soon as my mum found out he'd be there that year she point-blank refused to let me go anywhere near it. She can't have been the only one getting such a strong negative vibe from the guy, he was so creepy.
Don't kid yourself, back in the 60s and 70s Saville was one of the UKs most popular DJs/Celebrities. Look back over old editions of the pop music weekly magazines, Melody Maker, NME, Record Mirror, available online and you will discover year after year he came top in national polls as the UKs favourite DJ. Jim'll Fix It was one of the highest rated TV Shows on a Saturday Night throughout the 70s. Personally I always thought he came across as a creep and a really crap DJ. I never understood his appeal but he was immensely popular back in the day. No revisionist history can change that. Fact is Jimmy Saville was Britain's most loved Paedophile beating Rolf Harris into 2nd place with Gary Glitter in 3rd and Jonathan King 4th. They were ALL very popular at some point in the 60s 70s and well into the 80s.
@@knockshinnoch1950 I can only speak for the 80s and 90s when I was growing up, and back then EVERYONE thought he was creepy and weird and couldn't understand why he was on TV so much. By contrast, Rolf Harris was genuinely popular and well-liked. That came as much more of a shock.
@@jamesjackson5020 and for those who don’t believe in god or karma your resolution is meaningless. Those on the other hand who can assess things critically using evidence quite want there to be some form of justice and closure for the people who have come forward say they were abused by him (not everyone mindlessly believes everything they read or hear - although religion can be quite an appropriate example of that)
@@jamesjackson5020 Karma is a made up word, same as God, they are nonsense words with no semblance of proof to them at all. Savile on the other hand, had plenty of proof to his, as you put it, "so called" actions. Take your head out of the sand and stop defending child molesters.
I’m still bewildered why the public took to an odd looking middle-aged man, smoking a cigar, and making weird sexual innuendos and thought he’d be alright around the kids.
"Hiding in plain sight" - this was an accurate assessment of the behaviour of some dangerous psychopaths, although Jimmy was spectacularly audacious. He rode Louis Theroux like a little horse in that documentary. Some have suggested that he may have committed worse offences than those already reported.
Louis Theroux never stood a chance of getting it out of him, and he was hardly the only person to try and completely fail. His documentary is important in hindsight, now that he's dead, as a part of the historical record. I don't think anyone should denigrate him for trying and failing to go up against a wall of silence created by an evil genius with the most powerful people in the country at his back. And to be fair to him, after the first couple of interviews he stopped falling for Savile's game of hinting at something and then clamming up, and instead just focused on documenting how fucking weird and sad and lonely his pathetic sicko life was. Which I think is important. He took a lot from his victims, but every one of them is loved (at least I fucking hope they are), and Jimmy Savile wasn't. By anyone. Just celebrity 'love', screen 'love', the love of what riches and fame a powerful person can bring you. And that's meaningless. (If you hold the power to feed the hungry, house the homeless, cure the sick, etc. at an insignificant cost to you, you're not a saint for choosing to do so, just because choosing NOT to do so would be evil. It's a morally neutral act. Anyone who 'loves' you for that act is misguided and should instead devote their time to hating the people who put them in the position of needing charity in the first place. Obviously Savile thought the exact opposite. He donated millions over his fairly long lifespan.... but of course, he was rich enough that it was never an amount of money that he'd actually meaningfully miss or need. Not to mention donating much, much more of other people's money, often poorer people's, and taking credit for it because he pretended to run marathons to solicit the donations!) It was Louis Theroux that showed us beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had no family, no friends, not even a cat. Just little girls and boys who loved him before they knew him and then hated his guts the second he revealed the real Jimmy. All of his victims, the ones that survived anyway, will die surrounded by people who love them, hopefully without having even thought about him for years. He died alone, and instead of kissing his wife and children one last time, cracking a joke about her remarrying, and thanking his God for giving him this wonderful life full of love and joy and Earthly riches ('cause let's face it, you need SOME money, it makes the other two much easier to get and keep), his last act in this world was crossing his fingers. There's only one thing he was thinking about: himself. Specifically his worst acts. Even more specifically, he died SHITTING himself with terror about the Judgement waiting for him. Because he KNEW what he was (and I don't mean a nonce, I mean a sociopath. He was deeply religious and KNEW where God would put him if he died without remorse and without confessing. The survivors have the last laugh, and the ones who didn't survive are at least at peace. Savile died KNOWING, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he was about to go to the lake of fire for Eternity. As wrong as Schadenfreude is, that's a comfort to me, and I wouldn't know that if I hadn't seen Louis Theroux's documentary on him. Sorry for the very long comment, this subject gets to me as you can tell, and I got ahead of myself.
Jimmy Savile was on children in need twice or three times in the 1980s....But the then chairman of the BBC Children In Need revealed after savile's exposure, that he actually banned savile from children in need back in 1998. Because of the rumours and suspicions that had been going around about Savile for decades. But he never told the other BBC bosses.
Terry Wogan should be credited for this. He was given the gig and refused to have Saville involved using the excuse that he wanted a fresh team. Terry had heard all the rumours and boxed clever even though Saville demanded to be involved. RIP Mr Wogan
@@stuartrichardson6928 Apparently terry wogan said in a interview after the savile scandal came out that when he and the daily mirror columist jean rook were one day sitting together having lunch in the BBC premises back in 1997. Savile was also there. And when they both looked at savile go into the loo. Rook turned back to wogan and asked him. ''when are you lot going to expose him'' ?....And wogan replied back to rook...''That's your lot's job''.
@@MrEd94 No I'm not. I'm talking as if they wanted to excuse themselves for laughing at the time when they're taking it seriously at a later date. They could've at least kept the laughter in and acknowledged it afterwards like "we laughed at the time, but we didn't realise how serious it was back then", or something. As opposed to just cutting it out and acting like his statement was so obviously controversial. He's still a piece of shit.
Jimmy Savile lived mostly in Leeds and often worked as a volunteer porter at Leeds General Infirmary. His eagerness to take dead bodies to the mortuary was well known first in the hospital and then throughout the city. Leeds United fans would regularly chant about Saville's strange activities and the fans of other clubs would soon pick up on this and create their own chants. These chants would often be broadcast on programs like Match of the Day but they would be studiously ignored by the studio commenters.
Saville's crimes were in part committed in the age when gropey types were classed as creeps not criminals and children advised to stay away from them. We had a teacher in the 60s who liked to rest his hands in your trousers when marking your homework up at his desk. We reported it and were told to avoid him as much as possible.
"Permissive society," or not, the conduct you mention would still constitute Indecent Assault contrary to the 1956 Sexual Offences Act. And the age of consent has been 16 since 1885. It was probably convenient to brush this stuff under the carpet and pretend that "things were different then" (it looks like the BBC did), but actually, they weren't... There were laws in place to forbid this.
@@Radagast- yes but undoubtedly accusations were brushed off a lot more hence the pushback in certain movement I.e Metoo and such. Just because there were laws doesn’t mean people abided by them
@@Azoria4 I don't think that victims have it any easier, these days... look at the conspiracy of secrecy that protected Weinstein and Epstein, and continues to protect Epstein's clients [sic]. The point is that society had already acknowledged that these things were wrong and the evidence of that was the legislation that was in place. People were and are too cowardly to do what's right... they have the system they deserve.
@@Radagast- The most cowardly people were the ones he knew. He cultivated relationships with powerful people, who should have looked closely at the "rumours" around him. They chose to ignore anything negative about their acquaintances, and many probably still do. His victims were children, many have said they reported him to police but nothing happened; it might be coincidental that he knew some very senior police officers (and probably a few lawyers too). The victims didn't have the system they deserved, but they didn't have much power if those they reported to didn't take them seriously.
@@Azoria4 be nice if they did abide by the laws. Well nit all of the laws, don't know if it's true but apparently all black Hackney cabs should carry a bale of hay in the back. For the horse, a law that has never been repealed, allegedly. The source not the best.
Many high profile celebrities and executives at the BBC new exactly what Jimmy Savile was up too, they simply didn't want to rock the boat and put their own careers in jeopardy in speaking out. Savile had a vast portfolio of 'friends' in high places - be it in TV, the media, government and Royalty. And through his vast charitable work and huge celebrity status he was untouchable.
It wasn't just their careers at stake, I expect some of them had children and didn't want the social services involved. He had friends in high places. They like them young. I KNOW.
Thatcher was a huge supporter and close friend of Savile's and undoubtedly knew. These people should be similarly posthumously investigated and held to account!
Even the Leeds Police covered up for him by not investigating accusations passed to them by the MET.........he must have had filth on the Chief Constable, I expect they were all up to no good together?
So you do not see the irony of your comment? HIGNFY are discussing how the press are blaming everyone for their connections to Savile but themselves and you want to associate him with Thatcher and "the Tories". Political agendas make people buy in to any conspiracy theory. Benefit of hindsight is a fool's game.
I met a girl on my gap year in 2001, she was late 20's then, but worked on a reception desk at the bbc when she was 18. She had loads of stories, but one thing she said was that on her very first morning she was warned by her manager to stay away from Jimmy Savile. They said he was a dirty old man who would try to shag her. I didn't think a great deal of this at the time. Now i realise how many people knew but didnt know enough to do anything about it. On a totally seperate point, this girl also got to go and watch rehearsals for jools holland in her lunch break, she saw all sorts of people and she said Tina Turner just warming up was the most increadible singer in the world. Anyway, unrelated, but i wanted to say something positive as well!!
Yep, this is the problem. I’m about the same age as her by what you say and nothing much was done about dirty old men, because they were men and women were just expected to stay away and protect yourself. I’m not saying it was right, it really, really wasn’t. But technically there wasn’t much anyone could do. Harassment laws were either non-existent or weak as a rich tea that’s been dunked 5 times. Women had very little protection or support. No one had any direct evidence of his abuse of kids, so what was anyone to do? Dirty old men who were creeps to women were tolerated and I guarantee they still are far more than most people realise because things haven’t changed all that much.
he didnt "know" anymore than any of the people in this clip, or in any of the other compilations of jokes on here, did. he'll make out (or at least heavily imply) he somehow "knew" better than everyone else because hes a pompous self-important arse, but thats about it
No he didn't, John Lydon said just about everything about everyone in order to satisfy his own sense of self-importance by being 'edgy'. Savile just happens to be the one that he got right! He's also lied about being banned from the BBC about it, there's multiple YT videos of him on the BBC post-Savile interview. What he was banned from was 'live' BBC radio because he simply couldn't hold his ego together and behave himself which was leaving the BBC up for all sorts of court cases
@shoaib btt I don't think the BBC is allowing Savile stuff out now - mainly coz they'd have to pay the family a royalty. It was out on DVD years ago tho.
I remember watching that documentary when it broadcast - thinking what a deeply weird guy he was. Walked past his Glencoe house a few times - was covered in graffiti after the truth came out.
The Press have gone after people in many a vendetta.. but couldn't out this dude? Fgs... He minced on to our screens and my grandparents said" look at him ... bloody paedo"..It was that obvious. And he was creepy. Compare that to their coverage of that footballer who got 6 years jail for a consensual kiss with a 15 yr old ....unbelievable.
The guy was generating huge sums of money and viewers. Some of his shows got up to 20m viewers which is insane. People will look the other way in regards to despicable acts to not get thrown off the gravy train. Pure scum the lot of them.
My late sister was regularly in Great Ormond Street as a child. Jimmy Savile was often there allowed to act as porter. He took her down to theatre and brought her back afterwards when she had an anaesthetic. I have awful thoughts about what he may have done to her alone in a lift. I remember her telling me he sat on her bed and she pulled his hair to see if it was a wig. He should never have been allowed free reign around sick children.
Lydon didn't say a bloody thing, and he wasn't banned from the BBC at all. The only thing he said is that he wanted to kill Saville, and a whole bunch of other people because he wanted so badly to be edgy and relevant, but never really was. Now, he's a bitter, sneering little goblin.
John lydon said it, and so did comedian Jerry sadowitz. The pair of them both banned and sensored..bbc radio wouldnt play public image records for decades. Sadowitz in particular nailed Jimmy's Jimmy's character down to a tee
@@nodiggity9472 he did mention on that interview that he had heard loads of rumours and that he was up to seedy activities. What more clarification do you want?. Unless he had solid evidence he couldn't just name the crimes outright, lydon already had an open MI5 file with his name on it after the sex pistols boat trip, so he had to be careful in what he said to a certain degree
Lydon was a fake ...a bbc puppet ...2 faced manipulator and Liar ...look at the clip of him now. . .Looks like a fat woman ...-the guy is a joke !!!!!!
No-one at the B.B.C. outed him because they were scared of losing their careers. Esther Rantzen admitted as much in an article in the "Telegraph" weekend magazine a few months later.
Esther Rantzen is constantly telling through adverts to out anybody who is abusing a child and rightfully so but yet she didn’t out Jimmy Savile despite knowing about his atrocious past.
It's hilarious that every man and his dog, wife, friend or mother-in-law "knew" back in the day that he was a wrong 'un. Whilst he was alive he was almost universally loved and even revered. Hindsight after the fact is so easy, "you know what, I KNEW there was something shifty about him.....".
Well not really, l think many did get a weird vibe from him if not of pedo definitely something not right, l remember my dad saying one night in the very late 60s as he looked up from his paper and caught a glimpse of him on top of the pops l was watching, " why are old men like him in shows with teenagers in, what teenagers want old men around them specially that tulip ' thats what he called creepy blokes tulips, he had a way with words, he called Randolph Scott" that puff cowboy " because no matter how he got into a fight or had ridden 30 miles gallop thru a dust storm he always apoeared immaculately groomed hair brushed and combed clothes clean as a whistle and laundered somehow and the kneckerchief he always wore did look a bit camp the way it flared out by puff my dad meant any bloke super smartly dressed or effeminate. That was the 60s for yer. I dunno if it was because my dad had said that but as a 12 year old l began looking at Saville with more cynical a view up until then I'd thought him a bit weird or eccentric if l had known the meaning of that word then, but he also looked like an uncle of mine married to my mothers sister, who l always felt uncomfortable around as he was loud and looked a good bit like him he was a serial philanderer as l found out always knocking off women behind his wifes back and had tried it on with my mother and her other sister, slimy creep is the words l would have said then.
I didn't think he was a pervert ,but I do remember thinking he came across as a real busy with no obvious likeable qualities , and he liked hanging around with perverts ( Charlie)
In Rochdale it was an open secret that Cyril smith was a nonce. It’s perfectly plausible that their was an undertone in the country that a lot of people were aware of rumours.
Yes. Thousands upon thousands lined up to see his coffin in Leeds to pay their respect as it was put on display before the funeral. Church leaders, hospitals, charities, Leeds council, and the public were all mourning his death. Leeds was a sea of people all there for Jimmy. Funny how it's impossible to find these people now.
Ian Hislop has made his career out of knowing every bit of dirt on every public figure in the UK. For decades. No one will tell me he didn't know this. It was spoken of openly by staff at Broadmoor and Leeds Infirmary. Many of those people took their concerns to the police and were ignored. My Aunt was a nurse's aid at Leeds and they all knew. I was raised in Manchester and my older siblings weren't allowed to go anywhere near them filming TOTP or even have it on in the house because "he's a nonce". This is an exercise in arse covering. Their own and their bosses' at the Boob.
@@aquanefarious6258 Hislop has been sued many times for exposing people and lost, so if he said he never knew he most likely didn't he's a very honest bloke,. Dont disparage him because of Savilles evil.
Everything is a rumour until it's proven to be true. Short of Hislop walking in on Savile abusing someone I'm not sure what extra insight you expect him to have had?
I doubt either Hislop nor the most sued publication in the UK would shy away from printing anything. They regularly are critical of the actual government, the BBC & the royals, all of whom have a bit more influence than a DJ/TV presenter. I don't find the assertion credible.
Hislop probably heard more rumours than most people since the rest of the press passed stuff on to Private Eye that their own papers would not print. They were willing to take the risk of libel actions, but they needed to have SOME evidence to have a hope of defending themselves. The likes of Rupert Murdoch, Viscount Rothermere or Robert Maxwell had the wealth and journalistic resources to take him on, but for whatever reason were disposed to leave him alone.
There was another character in Leeds who I first met in 1969, Trevor Henry Gledhill. He worked for Leeds City Council and in his spare time was also an organiser in youth clubs. A few days after beginning work in the same Dept. I was approached by Gledhill who said he'd been in the Army where there were no women and it was justifiable for two men, always bearing in mind that there were no women, to satisfy their sexual needs with each other. I was petrified and didn't respond and he left me. He clearly had mental difficulties and after visiting a tenant of the Council, he'd come back visibly agitated and angry and using the phrases "being funny with me" and "taught them a lesson". He was aggressive and violent and twice assaulted me in the office of our section head who leapt to his feet and dragged him off me. On one occasion he slammed against a wall and put his hands round my throat and briefly strangled me. One thing which interested me was that he used a phrase "just a bit of fun" to sanitise misbehaviour, and Jimmy Savile used the same phrase. Coincidence, or did they know each other?
Sad to hear Graham Linehan talking about Twitter even back then, considering how he's just perpetually on there now. Even sadder that this shows he was funny at one point. That stake joke was actually a good one! He was an undeniable big name in British comedy. Man. It's astounding how far he's fallen.
Pretty much a 100% guarantee the royals and politicians will have heard the rumours and had people digging deeper into it, so there's no excuse for giving him a Knighthood.
He already knew some of the most senior police officers and politicians, so I doubt if it was looked into with great care on the first occasion. After that, it was probably something like, "This has already been investigated so we won't do it all over again". He had lots of money, knew some powerful people (police, politicians, lawyers, royalty, business directors, hospital managers, etc.), had built a profile as a charity fundraiser...
@@seegee9927 Charles was informed decades ago about savile by the secret service. Anyone who is befriended with the throne pretender is under close watch. Charles also had a friend who was a bishop .....he raped a boy and was convicted. yet charles sheltered him in one of his properties even knowing he was convicted. The rape victim committed suicide. .... let that sink in for a moment.
Mrs Thatcher repeatedly put Savile up for a knighthood and had it knocked back by the Honours Committee, until the last time - possible her resignation honours list, which must have different rules. Don't forget, he also had a Papal knighthood, which must have been approved by Cardinal Basil Hume.
1:40 Ian Hislop and the Irish (?) panellist try to exonerate the BBC for doing nothing about Savile. As he was a BBC employee for decades and some of the abuse took place on their premises, it's incredible that no one there, producers, presenters, cameramen and other technicians, make-up artists, over such a long period knew anything or witnessed enough to raise questions about it. Much-loved BBC, Auntie, my *rse.
routeman680 Graham Linehan, Irish comedy writer, a transphobe as it turns out. I think only top executives directly involved with Savile would have known about his disgusting abuse. When abuse happens on BBC premises, BBC employees only know about it if they’re also on the premises and in the same bloody area, either in the same room or in adjacent rooms. I don’t think Savile would have gone out of his way to make it known to a lot of BBC employees and people in general, funnily enough. Just enough for him to get off with his subtle hints to his behaviour.
Saville actually had a house around the corner from Sutcliffe and a young girl was killed and found in the parkland behind Saville House, they knew each other .
That's what he's saying in the clip though, lots of people "knew", but there's a difference between "knowing" something and having evidence of a crime taking place and actually being able to do anything about it.
Now we pump these kids full of drugs and parents fears their kids may be gay are pushing those children into transitioning. What a fucked up world. He may of been cancelled but history will show he was right
Graham is consistent. Those sanctimonious witch hunters who have made his life hell are the ones feigning outrage at Jimmy Savile one minute and grooming minors, with their 'affirmation' the next. If a child is old enough to consent to puberty blockers in preparation for trans surgery, then what else is he/she/they old enough to consent to? Savile would be rubbing his hands at the chaos trans ideology has brought to safeguarding. Graham is heroic.
Paul Merton is correct here when he refers to 'didnt he spend each Christmas at Chequers'. He is telling everyone the answer to why Savile wasn't pulled up during his life. Incredibly, Savile did spend Christmas with Margaret Thatcher as her guest. She was the person responsible for pushing through his knighthood by directly writing to the Queen asking why it hadn't been granted. I'm not suggesting she knew about his activities but she did support the way he could drive huge amounts of charity money for hospitals so that she didn't have to fund them, and he was a symbol of her 'get up and get it done for Britain' rhetoric. According to recent revelations from Savile's Yorkshire press secretary (who still has the letters), Prince Charles was of the same mind, writing directly to Savile asking for advice on how to engage with the public for his causes since Jimmy was so good at it. Savile sent him back a plan which Charles implemented. This gained Savile personal access to Buckingham Palace. These are two examples of his high level support.... so does anyone really believe that the Crown Prosecuting Solicitors (CPS above the Police), are going to take him to the old Bailey? He was protected for better or for worse and tolerated by the intelligence services, which are again, above the Police.
I wouldn't say that necessarily. Damage limitation is part of public office and I think most MPs would want to give this a wide berth (having knowledge or not).
I study the bad man Crowley seems savile was his type . Why now we have evidence saville was york ripper he was in the same city as the murders lived 250 yards away . Why we moan of Andrew when charles ten times worse . We joined EU as of UK press black out over heath . He went to see if Sutcliffe ok he owed him so that's why Frank bruno went and did Jim will fix it he went in nut house after . Many kings liked young boys like Charles 1st maybe great reset planned another Charles then u need Leslie as we did the bugger not Cromwell irony to Scots Charles 2 was their assasin
Met him twice on HMS Ark Royal, 75-76, basically wandered around the ship as if he owned it, took an instant dislike to him, but I could never explain why.
He's a pathetic little snake. "The press didn't reveal it either" he says, defending the BBC's silence - in full knowledge that the press desperately tried to reveal it but were legally challenged to not do so.
In the 60s two of my uncles, who weren't far off his age, a bit younger, would hoot at him in contempt whenever he was on TV, "a grown man acting like him" "always with the bishop" "devout catholic" "definitely something not right" "wouldn't leave him with the family dog never mind a kid". And the people at the BBC, closest to him, didn't notice anything?
I live close to where he lived, and he wasn't well loved round here I can tell you. Always came across creepy and I was terrified of him as a child. My mum had to turn the TV over.
Find any interview Savile gave - He was constantly dodging questions and making "risky jokes". The creep hid in plain sight - and definitely had people covering his back making sure nobody looked into the "rumours" too much
There's a clip on RU-vid where Jack Dee roasts Savile about his perversion. Savile mentions Dee's children, it came across to me as a veiled threat, and I think it did to Dee as well.
@@brucelamberton8819 The hundreds of photos of them together, walking, hunting, laughing. And the well publicised fact that Savile was actually called it to "counsel" Charles and Di before they separated. Do you think anyone gets that kind of access to the Royals without MI5 going through their life with a fine tooth comb? Every traffic ticket you've ever had is gone over. If he'd ever been to a union meeting or an antiwar march he'd have been blackballed but being a paedo just made him useful to them.
What he said about people knew meaning people had heard the rumors is so true. And yes. If anyone did know they should be prosecuted, (obviously not meaning a 12 year-old victim). There probably were a handful of people who were also pedos who joined in and absolutely knew, and everyone one of them should be prosecuted. But it does bring up a moral conundrum. What is your moral duty when you know a rumor? Savile not being called out is a horrible tragedy, but the McMartin’s being falsely called out was also a tragedy, albeit a slightly lesser tragedy. I genuinely don’t know the proper response. If you get it wrong, you are potentially destroying lives either way. And quite frankly even just reporting it to the police is no guarantee. The police often prosecute/investigate/hound the innocent while letting the guilty go free with barely a glance. Sometimes it’s corruption, but often it is simply naivety and being easily manipulated. I genuinely don’t know what the answer is in that situation.
What did you do in the caravan ............... anything I could Lay my hands on. Savile really was untouchable and yet no one else has been brought to book over enabling him.
he was speaking on behalf of the bbc to the audience at home - making it sound like he was just casually talking about it - its like he was making a statement.
Weird to see an extended conversation about once-respected figures having their memory and legacy torched, and see one of the participants is... Graham Linehan.
I can vividly remember growing up in the late 70s to mid 80s and my Father continuing denouncing Saville as a filthy old nonce that should be executed, and always immediately turned off when he was on tv. I used to to think, 'wow Dad has issues'. There must have been thousands of normal members of the public who felt this. Yet, the powers that be, right to the top, did nothing? He said similar things about 3 other men, 2 have since be found out to be paedos. One is still alive and so far not found out...
Norman Tebutt said they thought Saville was weird but tolerated him because he was good PR for the Tories. Maggie's mate . ? Have the Tories changed that much.
Proving that the media spirit that muted critics of Saville back then is alive and well today, and busy muting critics of the current misogynistic anti-gay gender cult. Watch this space for another ‘shocking’ revelation of abusers hiding in plain sight.
@@zargonthemagnificent330 'bit of a pain' - absolutely twisted in a hate campaign, trying his hardest to get people killed and in a point where even his closest friends and family seem to have distanced themselves
In the early 90's I remember watching Jim'll fix it and I mentioned wanting to write in and ask for something. My aunt gave me a strange look and said "no no no... don't do that..." and I had no idea what she was on about. She did work as a nurse so she probably heard some of the rumours from colleagues.
Jimmy Savlon used to do an annual drive to Blackpool (i think) with tha black cabs & kids. 1 year he was passing our area with the motorcade & he was in an open top yankee car. My big brother told me to grab my .22 rifle & a gang of us climbed up the back of a billboard & i took aim & shot at Savlon. Pity i missed
Top coppers in their pockets. Savile even boasted of having a team of senior officers at his beck and call in a police interview. Rotten from top to bottom.
Savile preyed on all sorts including kids that had no affection from their parents. He was also welcome at Buckingham Palace any time. I just wonder.......
I had a conversation with two of my friends, one of them form the US who had no idea who Saville was, we both briefly explained who he was and what he was like, explained about allegations and the doc with Louie Theroux etc, and the other UK friend stated 'we shouldn't talk about the monster anymore, he's evil and dead now, pure evil, he doesn't deserve to be spoken about'. I said that is the problem, we shouldn't shy away from talking about it, if only to warn future generations of people like this, its not trashing his memory or keeping his spirit alive, not talking is the reason this monster was allowed to continue for so long, we absolutely must remember what people like him did to make sure that nothing like his sort is ever allowed to continue, I take into account that he has passed and his victims also, do not want bad memories brought back but white washing and removal from public knowledge needs to stop, he was a monster and there are many other like him who need to be talked about. Also Ian Hislop probably knew.
@@the_local_bigamistLook how uncomfortable Paul Mertons facial expression is. He knew too. It was an open secret for years in showbusiness. Much like Max Clifford, Gary Glitter & Rolf Harris were too.
@@9-11DidBush He knew all about the goings on but "Private Eye", which he was long-time editor and which prided itself as being a thorn in the side of the establishment side, never had the bottle to take on the story. Ian Hislop liked his career too much to shake things up outside of the confines of what topics journalists are really allowed to touch. His magazine has been close to the dirt but they know how to steer clear of what could really get them in trouble, hence the fact that Private Eye never really looked into these goings on, even though it was common knowledge to high-up media types (and plenty of low-level types too). And as I said, Scallywag magazine DID take on these subjects, they were the real deal, but their editor/owner died in a mysterious car crash and they were shut up for good. Can you put 2+2 together?
@@sarahholland2600 Yep they all knew and thought that the public would probably never find out due to the airtight media lock on certain subjects (i.e. the "royals" for example) - and to be fair, there is still plenty we don't know. And anyway, they kept their mouths shut, turning a blind eye because speaking out would cost you your career (even your life if you said too much). Of course, the most uncomfortable part of it all is that these monsters got away with it in large part because other people in the media, politics, ruling class generally were compromised themselves in one way or another. Savile was a master blackmailer, how else does some skanky Leeds gangster from the 50s end up being best pals with the future "king", whos uncle just happened to be a massive nonce in his own right (Mountbatten)? Not to mention his brother who was exposed due to Epstein, who basically did was Savile did. Its a dirty, filthy game and a dirty, filthy establishment with the worst kinds of creeps doing whatever they can to climb the greasy pole. And for anyone with a conscience who ends up in those circles, anyone with a moral compass, I don't know how they survive. This explains why so many end up as drug addicts and alcoholics, even if the public isn't aware of that. Imagine sitting next to a monster like Savile, at least hearing about some of the evil things he'd been up to and having to just keep your mouth shut? I couldn't do it. But he could have you murdered. I still think that Jill Dando was assassinated because she was getting close to this filth - all the stupid BS they tried to sell us about a "Serbian hitman", the care in the community type Barry George doing 8 years for it! What the f*ck? And they expect us to believe them about anything. As for Jill Dando, I remember reading that an infamous gangster was a suspect in that murder and this guy wasn't well-known to the public because he didn't want to be, but he was a very serious criminal and a proper hitman with many murders believed to have been committed by him - knowing what we know about the interrelationships with law enforcement, state security (the police, MI5 etc.), it isn't hard to imagine some MI5 agent giving a seasoned shooter a big job, promising that it will be covered up, all to get rid of a threat to the establishment but knowing that the crime would look like the work of someone not connected to the ruling class. We were always told: "a professional hit" but Barry George did 8 years for it? Did the muppet even have a gun? Anyway, its a dirty, filthy, evil ruling class and they should be gotten rid of. They represent the things that the masses find despicable and disgusting.
Maybe the fact that acknowledged pedophile and sexual predator Earl Mountbatten introduced Savile to all the senior royals, including then Prince Charles and the Queen, had some affect on his power and influence?
I like Hislop, but he gave the BBC a pass there, making out they didn't know, especially after the amount of celebrities that followed, no doubt the executives at the BBC were involved, no doubt at all.
A bit off topic, but how the fucking hell has Bill Wyman managed to avoid going to jail over the Mandy Smith affair? How is a 50 year old man dating a 13 year old girl not paedophelia?;
Hislop is someone I love and admire but I have to say he’s very much playing the 20:20 hindsight card I watched that episode he was laughing along and enjoying Savilles jokes
That's unfair. When Savile told his most gross jokes on that episode of HIGNFY ('I was a wrestler at a girls school', 'I did anybody i could get into my car') etc. Hislop looked very visibly uncomfortable. Didn't stop the audience from laughing hysterically though.
growing up abroad, I'd never heard of him until maybe a year before all this came out and I was in my early 20s. with the complete absence of background story, it was abundantly clear to me the guy was a creep.
