keri caye Rather crude way of wording it........Your no Cinderella yourself judging from your avatar picture.....there! How does it feel to be cut down!!! Judge not lest ye be judged!! Joan Rivers needed an ocean worth of bucks for plastic surgery so has no right talking about Oprah needing to lose weight and ought to have been checked for that comment......Joan also was no beauty queen slender or not, healthy or not your words are crass and unecessary!
It’s probably because of the way she grew up. According to her she grew up chubby and ugly, even though if you see pictures of her really young I thought she was really pretty. She always joked about her “ugliness” a lot through the 80s and 90s but I always thought she was pretty.
Margaret well yeah, but a lot of comedians take inspiration for a lot of their material from real life issues. And she’s done serious interviews where she talks about it with no comedy context. She has even joked about eating disorders, and she herself struggled with bulimia in her adult life right after her husband died.
@@RosieOleanderDallinger Have not seen the pics. I always thought Joan was very attractive as an adult.I do think she went way too far with the plastic surgery.
@@madelinetramantano8302 While I agree with you that making fun of people can cause harm, I don't think it's fair to say that Joan Rivers made a living by doing that. First and foremost Joan was a comedienne, one of the first female ones, and she was a trailblazer for the comediennes of today. She was also a great representative for women. She pushed the limits and did things that women were not allowed to do at the time. She was just as funny and successful as any of her male counterparts and she was working hard til the day she died. Longevity. While her latter career incorporated making fun of fellow celebrities, at least the things she said were honest and real. She said what was on our minds. And she was the victim of the same thing in Hollywood, the butt of many jokes and punchlines. She understood that when you sign up to be a celebrity, you had to take everything that came with it even the negative things. In a way that's part of what celebs get paid for. If they can't handle it then they need to reconsider what they've chosen to do for a living.
The problem is Joan can give it but she can’t take it. Someone joked that her daughter Melissa was riding Joan’s coattails and Joan became incredibly offended and stormed out.
@@GetOnMyLvlBitch Joan could dish it out but she couldn't take the heat herself. Google her interview about a year before her death when she is in the hot seat. She walks off I believe,
misshair...Joan Rivers IGNORANCE is an was always common as her Hollywerid persona when it came to not know the difference between (Smaller Vs Taller) just to spotlight a small segment of Joan Rivers condescending personality that dominated Hollywood than and now.
🤣 you see an emaciated woman try to fat shame a perfectly normal bodied one, who then reveals that she is tormenting herself with diets for years now, going up and down in weight, and what you take away is a sense of longing... and you have a muslim sounding name... 😂
You call class many call it industry kiss ass to make a raise in this industry as at that time, Joan rivers could make or kill your career. I promise you the now rich & powerful Oprah would not take this today.
I think the fact that Oprah mentioned she won the contest "50 pounds ago" may have led Joan to believe she was comfortable with talking about her weight. If it isn't comfortable why bring it up? I don't think Joan was being mean spirited. Just a little insensitive.
@Shining Light Of Hope It's one thing for you to talk about your own weight but a totally different kettle of fish for someone else to talk about your weight and in such a derogatory way and publicly! Example: just because I make reference to my dark Black skin doesn't mean that that leaves the door wide open for a white person to call me a dark skinned, Black N$gger! The same with weight. To justify that in any way is just pure wilful ignorance with a determination to collude in abusive and shaming tactics, all in the guise of 'jokes/banter'. It wasn't merely insensitive, it was malicious. Everyone in America knew that Oprah struggled with her weight and that it was always a sore spot for her, including razor sharp and observant, Joan Rivers. You would think that someone who was so insecure about her own looks (and eventually died on the plastic surgeon's table at over 70 yrs old trying to meddle with her looks!) would be empathetiv and more respectful of another Woman's physical appearance but she went in for the kill because she wanted wanted make Oprah feel as bad as SHE was feeling internally and she used her public platform to maximum effect to humiliate and shame, a very successful Black Woman. That was malicious. Not 'a tad insensitive'.
Idk, it’s cool for someone to bring it up about themselves but for someone else to keep talking about it on national television? No. Maybe if it was a private conversation, but on TV? No. Just no. And usually when people mention their weight like that it’s because they’re insecure but want to deal with what they think is the elephant (no pun intended) in the room. In other words she assumed everyone else was wondering how this “fatty,” could ever win a beauty contest so she explained. Joan didn’t need to do that. But that’s Joan for you. I agree though. I don’t think she was mean spirited.
I have rarely found Joan Rivers as funny. I have very little respect for people who aren’t talented enough to be comedic without taking advantage of others and putting them down.
Oprah Winfrey later recalled this incident in her book "Food, Health, and Happiness.": "It was all going smoothly; I was starting to settle in. And then it happened: Joan interrupted with perhaps the only question I hadn't prepared for: 'So how'd you gain the weight?' Wait a minute - did she just use my national television debut to ask me why I was so fat? The studio started spinning. The word 'fat' reverberated in my brain." Winfrey continues, "Joan sat behind Johnny's big wooden desk, telling me that she didn't want to hear my excuses and that I shouldn't have let this happen … She wagged her flawlessly manicured finger at me, pointed out that I was still 'a single girl,' and challenged me to come back 15 pounds lighter next time she hosted."
I don't think I have ever in my life ever seen Oprah being interviewed by someone before. I mean, I know this was before she had her own show, but still though.
+m mar Some tough love isn't bullying. Joan didn't call Oprah fat or ugly. She said "You're a pretty girl, so don't let yourself go". Fair is fair. Enough of this oversensitive bs.
This was Oprah's big break into national television, and Joan Rivers personally begged the Peter Lassally to put her on TV. So let's be real here people. I don't like how Joan talked about her weight, but that's Joan.
It's funny because Oprah tells it another way. Saying she was fat shamed. First of all, Oprah is the one that brought it up and opened the door. She said oh 50 pounds ago. So Joan jumps in and says why did you let that happen. I mean 50 pounds is alot people and I think Joan was showing concern for her. It's funny to watch this clip because it's like Oprah is a completely different person. She's humble, self depricating, nothing like the person she evolved into with the holier than though massive ego. Ever watch her interview experts on her show. They are right in the middle of a sentence and she interupts them and jumps over them to talk. It's so annoying. So many missed lessons because she doesn't let them finish.
Your comment is the equivalent of justifying killing someone who has done no harm to you. This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Just because she was "self deprecating" did not give Joan the right to say anything more or further the conversation and assume this entitlement to say whatever the f she wanted. She's rude, and you're a dumbass with that weak ass argument.
This is the first time I've seen that interview and, to be honest, in 2022 I am so happy that Joan brought Oprah down. Whenever I've watched Oprah in more recent years, which is not often as I don't like her, she has over ridden many people and it was so great seeing her fat shamed by Joan. Yeah Joan. Trouble is it didn't work
Actually, my mother always thought Oprah looked better with a little weight on her. When she did Optifast in the 80's she got really thin and did not look as good.
No, her racist ass will not be missed and her racism came out later in life with what she said about Michelle Obama too. Just she jealousy no woman does this to another woman publicly That they would like and respect
After she made it she no longer had to “put on…” her radio/tv voice or personality to be accepted into mainstream daytime television. When she hit the scene most people didn’t look like her and she had to assimilate into their culture to fit their standards. Fast forward 30 Years… she has her Billions and no longer needs to put on a front on camera.
I swear regardless of thought or whatever Oprah must have been thinking when Joan (whom I also love) asked her this offhanded question in front of millions, I love how Oprah handled this with grace and no real animosity despite being shamed. Still love them both sometimes dumb things are done on television and she’s also a comedian which she never meant any harm and probably in her mind thought she meant well.
oh my goodness its 4:44 am and my angel is here! wow I always watch your shows! I love you and I am so glad you said something angel souls I love you! You are right it is judgmental and cruel . Thank You, because angels love food LOL... also scorpios getting the knowledge of the unknown it is kind scary. I am looking forward to this. Please don't stop what you are doing, finding your comment here is just another sign thank you angels!
Ana Qed haha well thank you Ana! And you are absolutely correct--angels do love food! And people often use food to protect themselves. The funniest (as in odd) thing is that most people who are putting down overweight people have some sort of addiction themselves. I think they call that projecting! ;) xoxo
OMG! Oprah I know I'm late as hell but she doesn't know what she's talking about. You are beautiful no matter what! I grew up watching you. Every time I saw you every time you are still beautiful. Joan needs to get some food in her.
I remember seeing this interview on the Joan River's show when it was orginially on. That was 25 long years ago. I knew Oprah was going to go places, and boy did she go!!! It doesn't matter if Oprah if thin or heavy, she is adorable. I love Joan too. She can be a little abrasive with her comedy sometimes, but it's only in fun. You have to take Joan with a grain of salt. She's basically a good person.
@@mel2000 Michelle Philips, when she was promoting her book, a woman with multiple personality disorder who she described as "pretty crazy", right in front of the woman, etc. I've also seen some clips here on You Tube where she is just plain blunt and rude to some people. There was someone she really ridiculed badly and humiliated them on and on and people were saying in the comments they agreed with the guest, not Oprah. From what I recall I think she implied a woman was obviously promiscuous, going by her appearance, but she actually was not at all and there was nothing wrong with her appearance either.
Great idea for a follow-up video: "Oprah tells Joan Rivers that being obsessed with your appearance might lead to an over-reliance on cosmetic surgery."
@@KowloonHK People are happier when they stop worrying about being as attractive, famous, wealthy, talented, or as powerful and influential as people they hear about on their computer and smartphone screens. I can understand a musician feeling inadequate because they'll never compose something as great as Beethoven - that means you have lofty goals. But, an internet "influencer" being despondent because they don't have enough "likes" this week compared to another influencer? Blimey! 😬
Tabloids would write that stuff behind her back. Joan said it to her face and allowed her to respond. She was bold.. and respectful, it’s show business.
We're still waiting for Joan to be resurrected from the dead, but it ain't gonna happen, oh hell wait...she was the walking dead - with that gaunt look and those arthritic bones she should have been on the slab way earlier...God rest her bony bones!
Only Joan Rivers had the balls to tell Oprah "You're fat. Lose the weight." No one else would dare. It's nothing bad. But it takes some courage to say that to The Messiah of talk-shows.
Who could disrespect a person that passed away? She has a family and friends that love her. Have respect for everyone and let’s hope respect will be given to us all, as well.
Disrespect? Joan criticized people her whole life. Maybe it's a weird survival technique humans have. Focus on ourselves...not what others feel or say. Criticizing someone for disrespecting a dead person.....is an attack on a living person!! I'm trying not to be critical...lol.
Oprah wasn't even that heavy here. What is this thing where trying to look like a skeleton was considered attractive? I'm a man and I'd take a soft built woman over a bag of bones any day.
I don’t agree with Joan’s fixation on other people’s weight, but I do think she was trying the “tough love & honesty” approach rather than just being mean, and I do admire that she always said what she meant and meant what she said.
No. Saying hurtful, shaming things to people about them publicly is not an admirable trait, and is not "shooting from the hip". Its mean, nasty and inappropriate.
"Tough love" is for people you have a relationship with and should be done in private. On national TV during an interview about career & entertainment is not the time. Tacky interview.
Oprah was young and green back then. The Oprah show didn’t exist when this interview aired. She would never let anyone treat her this way today, not even a Joan Rivers.
For an unfamiliar TV star in those days, this marked the beginning of Oprah Winfrey's long-running friendship with Joan Rivers, whom she met on the set of "The Tonight Show." For near 3 decades, they both talked about a lot of things, and that includes 4 yrs. @ The Daytime Emmy Awards (between 1990 and 1993), where Oprah has won more Awards, than Rivers (whom she only won once). In 1999, Rivers was reunited with Winfrey on "The Oprah Winfrey Show," who got people to talk about having people to look beautiful. Great comedienne, may she RIP! :(
i think oprah handled the conversation very well by being funny and still respectful despite the fact that joan rivers is delivering nasty jokes about her weight...
Agreed! Love them both but Oprah handled this in stride and still used this interview as an opportunity to connect with Joan and the audience. She took an uncomfortable moment and turned it around as an opportunity to show warmth, humor and class. It's no wonder why she's been such and incredible success.
Johnny Carson commenting on Joan Rivers: "Joan will never succeed me when I retire from the show....Joan is just too brusque for the audience." Johnny was right. Rivers could be very entertaining at times; other times she didn't know how to pull back. Oprah was holding her own very well!
