Beetle juice This is simply not true, Grizzly territory extends from BC to Alberta to Northern Manitoba to Nunavut to Yukon and Northwest territories. Also they had been spotted as far east as Northern Quebec. BC has banned some forms of grizzly hunting not all, for example first nations are still allowed to hunt grizzlies.
Grizzly bears only originate in BC LOL can you imagine the bears like bro you can’t cross that field, Why not? That’s Alberta, we don’t have clearance Only blacks can cross into ‘Berta Yeah I went there...
Just the other day there was a poached grizz found by the side of the highway with its paws cut off and the rest of the animal left to rot!!! I got no problems if it's killed ethically and the whole animal used... I grew up on game meat and hunt deer and other game, (bear is much like pork in taste and texture, if harvested at the right time and isn't a dump bear), but so called trophy hunters disgust me... especially "canned hunting"... the truth is, a live grizz brings in more dollars than dead ones do... many of the bears that were shot each year were bears that stopped seeing people as preditors, they got so used to human eco-tourists throughout the rest of the year... they don't read a calender and say to themselves "oh, it's the start of hunting season today, people won't just be using their cameras to shoot me today", so it might as well be a canned hunt... this goes for any species on any continent
I think it is time that people maybe mind their own business and stop complaining about what others do. The sad part of animal rights activists is that most of them despise humans for shooting a trophy animal and would rather have the same animal die that winter or the next by starving to death because it is old and beat up. It actually makes me laugh when I hear Joe talk about old fat guys with their foot up on an animal like they have done something. If he (Joe) worked in a mine for 45 years and saved every penny he could and finally in his 60's got to do 1 thing he wanted maybe his attitude would change on the subject. Instead there are too many people who talk too much and have no clue. I actually agree with Rogan on some things, but trophy hunting and climate change are not 2 of those things.
I'm Canadian, from the province to the left, Alberta, where Grizzly hunting is also illegal. I can tell you that Grizzly hunting here was banned for population reasons, but BC is a completely different story. There is some real problems with them pushing out the black bears there, and the only thing keeping it balanced was the hunting, and now we have the extreme amount of anti-hunters in Vancouver wanting to ban all hunting, not knowing what they're voting on or talking about
I live in alaska, ive bear baited for black bear, becase the meat for spring bear is tasty. Grizzly/brown bears meat is nearly inedible. People hunt grizzly mearly for the hide/skull
I am from BC and i feel the ban on grizzly hunting is a bad idea. I personally have no desire to hunt grizzly bear but i do hunt animals they eat. The problem with banning the hunt is grizzly numbers are gonna get out of control with them having no predators hunting them. This is gonna put strains on the animals they hunt including moose which numbers are already very low. I do not support trophy hunting but feel predator hunting is necessary
The things that kill grizzlies are cars and trains (and sometimes other grizzlies). They are apex predators, they dont need many things to keep their populations in check. You should be smarter and not take the word from Americans on this topic, who absolutely decimated the range and population of grizzlies in their country. Do you think its legal to hunt grizzlies anywhere in the lower 48? No lmao. Want to know why? Because they annihilated their own populations of grizzlies.
If you look at the data on Grizzly populations in Canada, you'll see that they have been declining for years and they're classified as threatened. Problem bears in communities across BC and western Alberta can be dealt with through relocation. They don't have any natural predators, but they do have enormous calorie needs from their size and they compete with wolves and mountain lions for a portion of those calories. I think its good both the Government of BC and Government of Alberta have banned hunting them.
@@dingo9696 I have no idea what you are talking about, but bear hunting in the lower 48 is absolutely leagal. It varies by state. Also, the population is nowhere near decimated. You say that Americans don't know what they are talking about and then back it up with incorrect information.
I got stalked by a young male grizzly in Alberta years ago…still have ptsd from it. But I scared it off with the biggest roar I could come up with. Horrifying.
I live in Campbell River British Columbia and know the owners of Knight Inlet Lodge. The owners pay over 25k out of their own pockets each year to the person who has the tag to hunt one grizzly per year in their territory not to shoot it. Put a visit to their lodge on your bucket list, it's amazing! Or just sit in my back yard and watch for the black bears that wandered though tonight for free... (yes, I almost shit my pants!)
Yeah, but the people who pay to come on bear safaris where they only take photos generates far more money throughout the province these days. And the reputation as a pro-environment nature friendly area is huge for drawing in tourists. I'm from Northern BC, but now in CR as well. Your friends at the lodge should consider transitioning into animal friendly eco-tourism because that is where the future eco-tourism economy is trending. Relying on hunters isn't the most sustainable strategy, given trends. BTW for any readers who might be confused as there are no Grizzlies on Vancouver Island - Knight Inlet Lodge is on the mainland, but not far from Campbell River by sea plane. Please visit!
No its the dead salmon they leave on the ground that rot away that bring nutrients to the soil thats keeps the rain forest alive. Bears are a keystone species if you take out the bears in the Pacific rainforest you will kill it.
Lmao, have you actually seen salmon spawning? There are literally thousands of corpses on the riverbanks every season. While I'm sure grizzlies leaving corpses that eventually turn into nutrients is true, so do the eagles, ravens, coyotes, foxes, and just about every single other omnivore in BC. I'm almost certain the impact grizzlies have compared to any other omnivore is minimal.
Dude I'm not going to argue with you about this. I know I am right, I took this in university. I didn't say Grizzles I said bears. As in all bears. They are the ones that catch the salmon and drop them into the bush where the bush needs nutrients not the shore of a river. Unless you are telling me these salmon are flying thousands of feet out of the water miles away into the bush. Here are 3 different sources you fucking idiot. chonkp.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/how_bears-feed-salmon-to-the-forest.pdf www.bbc.com/future/story/20140218-salmon-fertilising-the-forests ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UOtkekP-sxk.html PS: I also hunt and care for animals.
this guy literally lived among wolves while he was studying them and doin a science project for the state. this guy is a legitimate rambo for conservation.
Donnie is the homie. I was in a touring band called Onward Etc. many summers ago and our singer knew him. Super cool dude and he was nice enough to let us stay with him while we were in town for our show. Oh and he has a super big moose head in his living room. Takes up his whole wall basically.
So here's a controversial opinion. I'm from Canada and the natives are allowed to hunt all year round. And I really don't mind that idea if they're hunting for food. However at my cabin up north it's mostly indigenous groups that hunt and just take the hides or antlers etc... So I think changing this law might help lol
Yepp that’s called being westernized douche. Maybe you should colonized them. If your white you have no business commening on natives in either the us or canada. It’s like germans criticizing jews.
@@moldman3686 wrong. It's legal for them to do it and illegal for anyone else. (Which btw is discrimination) Most tribes look down on it but when it's legal and no one's looking you can't stop bad people no matter their race
Everyone thinks that grizzlys are beautiful, until you have to contend with one in the pitch black woods of early morning. It’s easy to judge something and make regulations for it from the safety of your couch watching Nat Geo. Your opinion will change fast when you have one that frequents your front yard where your kids play and has no fear of humans because it’s been protected for so long
Don't leave your food out, don't leave garbage behind you and they have no reason to interact with you. What this bullshit about protecting is about? They will fuck you up if needed and it's not because they are protected lol
As a hunter I TRUELY respect this man. What he said is spot fucking on. If we’re not going to eat the meat, then what is the fucking point?... thank u sir. Good fucking on ya.
I get why they did it, however, there is a major difference between 90% of 1 or 2 grizzly bears being left behind, and 400 North American Bison being gunned down in a day. The difference being that, even if a hunter only kills a bear for its head and its hide, the meat will not go to waste. At all. Other animals will eat it.
You're missing the other side of the story. These "trophy hunts" bring in tons in revenue for local tribes, and in all legal hunts the animal is consumed by either hunter and/or tribes as well.
Note the big difference: grizzly bears are protected pretty good in a country with little corruption - compared to African nations, where corruption is high and the local, domestic effort to protect lions, which are endangered, are little.
Such a simple solution to trophy hunting is to create and adjust the take laws. To my knowledge, bears and predators do not have any requirement to take the meat. Make it an offence to take less and then your problem is solved and everyone is happy.
What you guys don't understand is that predators, such as the grizzlies, wolves are devastating the elk, deer, sheep ect. in bc. I live in BC and its terrible. right now for hunting.
Pretty sure that's how its supposed to be. When hunters complain about such things, its because they think they are needed to keep those numbers down. Think about it , you only had deer issues because of lack of predators, now do you think you need to keep the predator numbers down so you can hunt more deer? Leave the hunting to the wild animals unless you really need the food.
I highly doubt they are. The only reason those populations are affected is because we have taken so much natural habitat from them. The world would be in a natural balance if it weren’t for parasites known as “humans”. The idea that we need to control populations is absolutely ridiculous. The reason we need to control populations is for our own selfishness and greed. If we weren’t here the grizzlies, wolves, deer, elk and moose would live on in perfect harmony like they have for thousands of years.
@@csho6512 with the establishment of human populations the damage is done. The animals are displaced from natural home ranges, humans by their very existence have an effect of the natural world. What would have been cyclical population growths of all species before the arrival of the frontier civilization have now be put out of balance by us just living here. So we have a responsibility to keep things balanced. We could let it run wild but the long term consequences could be horrible.
When predators go unchecked we have problems with excessive numbers. I am a hunter and I was raised to use as much of the animal as I can. That being said I've had black bear meat and it's horrible. A lot of hunters donate the meat to food pantries.
I don't see the problem with hunting predators. If you're going to eat an animal why not eat one that also eats animals? Seems more fair than eating herbivores like cows, they don't kill anything.
Thats bullshit have you seen how many strands of grass a single cow rips out of the earth with just one chomp hahahahahahaha. THey are serious serial killers hahaha
I've actually eaten a meal of lion before, it was a domesticated lion that was put down for health reasons. Meat didnt go to waste, excellent meat, very tough though
barnoldwhv well no because its indirect killing, it's out of our control as individuals unlike the rest of my list. That's something no single person has control over, it's us as a species that does. That would be along the lines of saying that humanity should stop all wars, it's impossible to stop all wars because society is made up of individuals and individuals have differing opinions on particular issues.
Shogun33 there are farmers who have to kill pests like rats and possums, they also have to kill coyotes and wolves that threaten livestock. And sometimes you have to defend yourself from dogs in residential areas. If a Rottweiler comes running to your 2 year old, you have the right to defend yourself. If any dog that you deem capable of killing you or anyone else in your house comes onto your property you should defend yourself. To defend yourself you may accidentally or purposely have to kill the animal attacking(it has you and won't let go).
I guess we make more money in BC from Grizzly Bear watching than Grizzly Bear hunting. Maybe they are more economically and ecologically useful alive? There are a lot of made up comments here from people claiming to be from BC. i'm from BC and I highly recommend people look up any claims about the population of grizzlies, the legality of the hunt before the ban, and what most people do with the meat. In my experience, it's mostly been trophy hunters from other provinces (Alberta and Ontario especially) that come looking for bears. They mostly take the skins and skulls, since bear meat isn't particularly delicious. Bears are NOT a major threat to human life, attacks are rare. I'm not an expert. I think the ban is good, but maybe it would have been better to have a very small bear tag lottery.
The thing is, some areas of bc have more grizzlies then you can shake a stick at. Other areas have few or none. The areas with the best food will have the biggest grizzlies/most grizzlies. Typically too the human populations are on the places with the best food resources like valley bottoms. Look up the black grizzly of whiskey creek explains about some bear attacks that happened in Banff. See bears will eventually fill all the niches they can in the wild and the only places left will be near human populations. Grizzlies are sexually mature around 3-5 years old and the mothers raise their young for around 3 years. So its a slow turn around in the reproductive cycle. My guess is we'll be having increased bear/human encounters in the next 10 years. Also bears are fucking smart. They'll figure out humans aren't hunting them very quickly and will lose their fear of humans.
@@jwscheuerman what’s a BCian? You are an idiot. Are you even from Canada “diplomatico” or are you from one of the shit latin american countries if so stfu and be grateful to be in Canada
Well there's a lot black bears and very few grizzlies. I would love to go Cape Buffalo hunting in South Africa, on foot. A 3-6 week trip and would be okay with not getting a kill.
animus apertus Oh, not true. Other animals can wreak absolute havoc on an ecosystem as well. We are the only ones that care about MAINTAINING one though.
Few facts. Grizzly bears are omnivores. Apex predators are important because they regulate the intermediate predators who can overwhealm the ecosystem. Same way that great whites are not causing fish stocks to plumet...vanishing of apex predators is accelerating proliferation of medium size predators and grazers...
Hunting predators like lions helps pay for the protection of endangered species. They've already had it happen that after that cecil lion debacle, people didnt hunt there and more poachers moved in because there was no income to pay people to stop them. Rogan has even made this point.
People will never take you seriously with that name. Also try improving your reading comprehension, organ is the one who pointed out what I said in the original comment.
Trophy Hunting: Pure Vanity. No respect for the animal. No respect for the hunt. You test yourself. You test your limits. You become immersed in the land. The land hurts. The land heals. The solitude. The silence. The Night Sky: a sea of stars. Thunderstorms, gallop across the sky. The sound of Thor’s hammer. The Spirit of the North Wind fills the air, the trees, and yourself with each breadth ! The Cold, the wet, the Sleet. The fire. You become part of the Web of Life itself! Damn I miss the North Woods !!!!
Bro definitely has paid $50K to go on a canned lion hunt with one of those lions that were raised as pets (like Joe said) before eventually being led to the slaughterhouse
Grizzly bear hunting has been banned in Alberta since 2006 if you shoot a grizzly bear your catching a 100,000$ charge. If you are hunting black bears you are fine as long as it’s open season and you have your tickets from my understanding or as someone has stated if you have your white card you can’t shoot what you please as long as your not disturbing the peace and creating a ruckus to a certain degree…
Joe hunts for sport. He eats the animals but there is no reason he couldn't buy elk shot by a professional hunter. And there's nothing wrong with hunting for sport.
hollindh, Hunting for sport by definition, means that you are only after the animal or part of the animal as a trophy. It is like hunting elk and only taking the rack, hunting a bear for only the skull and hide, or hunting a wolf for just the pelt. Joe clearly does not do that. Enjoying that hunt has nothing to do with the definition of hunting for sport.
Hey Donnie, hey Joe. Humans are nearly at 8 billions, they're damaging the local area, poisoning the water, fighting with each other to a severe level, would you be up for maybe a little bit of conservation, help contribute to keeping the spices strong?
'Species' babe, NOT "spices." Yet humans are way over rated! Take those in Yulin! They slaughter poor dogs & cats while totally conscious and BEAT THEM before boiling and/or burning them while ALIVE. USELESS HUMANS that are as EVIL as the come!
All I was saying is hiding 850 meters away, with a high powered rifle shudnt count as "manly" hunting It's a badass creature So hunt it badass U and 2 of ur boys take it down with bows after tracking it proper and get a kill, fucking AWESOME bro But to drop it from a 1/4 mile away with a high powered scope seems cheap It ain't over populating, and it ain't bothering anybody Take it out like a warrior and let it GO DOWN like a warrior That's all I'm saying
I looked into the Cecil thing, and it wasn't legal to kill that particular lion. The guides that the guy hired were either incompetent, or liars, and apparently legal action was taken against them for leading him to Cecil. Even if it was legal, Cecil was a tourist attraction who had spent his entire life around humans, being looked at by humans and studied/monitored by humans. The lion was almost like a pet dog when he was shot and killed. The guy might have actually been able to walk up to him at point blank range and shoot him. Like, honestly, how can you possibly justify killing an animal like that? The official statement made by the guy "Hey man, I just do this because I enjoy this kind of thing," paints him in a negative light. Yeah, you enjoy going to a foreign country and hunting lions that have essentially been domesticated in a protected area.
Mr. Vincent seems to have some kind of ulterior motive in saying the BC g-bear hunt was closed due it being a "trophy hunt"... His biologist friends are claiming dwindling population, just like the biologists in Alberta did in 2006. But there's 1000's out there, in each Province. While it's true that a lot of grizzly meat got left in the bush, some hunters kept the meat and sometimes was donated to locals. Plus it's carrion for the rest of the scavengers & predators... Shame on you two for painting grizzly hunters as senseless killers.
Bash on Trophy hunting all you like but the truth is it funds more conservation then anything else and without that fat guy shooting fish lions in a barrel tons of animals will go extinct. Uniformed caring people dont pay the bills for the wildlife reserves
Really? When a predator kills it goes for the weakest of the group, a process of survival of fittest. But trophy hunting selects the best and healthiest of the group, hurting and diluting the gene pool. Apart from that vast majority Asian countries conserve and protect animals by tourism not by trophy hunting. Africa is bending over backwards to enable hunting to cater to Chinese demand for traditionalmedicinal uses and America's obession with guns. Europe decimated it's wild populations because of excessive hunting.
+Shiva Srinivasan not even close trophy hunting goes after older more mature animals that have had years to reproduce and carry on their genes... I'm not saying I'm a fan of trophy hunting but that is a fact...I would never kill something I'm not going to eat
I really don't see any problem with hunting things like grizzly bear or lion, etc. As long as the animal is 1. Not endangered. 2. If the hunter doesn't want the meat, the should give it to a local village or something. I just don't see what people's problem is besides these two things not being followed.
Trophy hunting does more to the conservation of animals than any other means. Trophy hunting have literally saved species, especially in Africa and have contributed means to stop poachers. With trophy hunting comes regulation, incentive to the locals to keep the animals alive and a lot of money from private investors. Without trophy hunting, most of the wild animals would be poached and killed by the locals, since they have no incentive to keep them alive, because animals like elephants and lions just become burdens.
hollindh that's not trophy hunting that's regulating the eco system, trophy hunters dont care about the eco system, they want to kill for the sake of killing and posting with their pray, they litterally enjoy killing.
Juuk - And how would you know? You are generalizing a whole group of people without any basis to do so. Trophy hunters care about the environment and ecosystems, because without them there would be no hunting. The whole media picturing trophy hunters as cruel human beings who just lusts for blood is pure nonsense.
Juuk it helps with C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-O-N of E-N-D-A-N-G-E-R-E-D S-P-E-C-I-E-S. Read that sentence over and over again and comment back when it sinks in. They are not environmentalists but help locals conserve wildlife in a mutually beneficial way. Trophy hunting is for the trophy. That's rather obvious. But what is wrong with getting a trophy if it's beneficial for locals and wildlife? After all they aren't poaching anything or doing anything illegal. Get it yet or do I need to pull out a kids pop out book?
i feel like they should have just regulated the bear hunting more instead of flat out banning it; however if ppl were actually just trophy hunting good thing to ban it for a couple years and than remove the ban
In most parts of Africa, a lot of the money made from trophy hunters goes specifically to conservation... it's a clever business strategy -- take the money from trophy hunters, let them kill an old or weak animal that was on the way out anyway, & use that money to protect animals from poachers & protect ecosystems from corporations, etc. That being said, the people who pay for those trophy hunts are still pretty gross imho.
Yes they eat lions in certain areas in Africa (Joe inquiring about certain Africans villages eating lion meat). I saw a show in which a lion was killing livestock in one village. A hunter was called in and killed it. The host saw the people carry it off and asked them what they were going to do with it. The leader (chief), said we're going to eat it. The host asked again in disbelief and the guy shrugged his shoulders and walked away. I guess It's a lot of meat, and the conditions for that village are harsh and they've done this before.
My ex mother-in-law went to Africa and ordered Lion at a fancy restaurant. She said that the meal costs a lot because the Lion tastes like shit. So every time someone orders Lion (always a tourist) they also cook up a regular steak to replace the cat meat once the person almost barfs.
Leaving the meat also feeds all the carrion eaters in a forest, if they are getting a hunting permit(which is limited on how many can be taken within an area) who cares. None of it actually goes to waste. Over hunting is the only possible problem, hence limited permits and seasons. you are either hunting legally, or poaching.
Couple of Hollywood hunters here...I am Canadian,, believe me poaching is a big problem across Canada,, doesn't matter what species you're talking about.. If the province of B.C deemed it illegal,, it was for a reason..
