The fact that you are doing an interview with my #1 idol, one of the most intelligent and sophisticated individuals on this planet is amazing. Keep this up man. Like wow.
@@xaviergatling5063 he’s literally a degree hold psychologist and your credentials would be? Single mothers aren’t the problem they are symptom of dead best ass absent fathers. Be better men in your community. Studies show and prove the absent father plays a larger more detrimental role than the mother who actually stayed and raised their children. That’s accountability
@@sanyo8440 I have my own laundry list for traits I like. So do you. If you'll just take any woman in a healthy weight range, you have almost no standards.
@@sanyo8440 Your values are your own decision. No one is forcing you to only take a woman's physical beauty into account. You chose to do that. Do you think women aren't people? That's the only way you'd be dumb enough to think there are no other qualities of theirs that you should have standards for.
@@Closedeyewilly Huh??? I laughed out loud at this. What kind of ridiculous statement 😂😂 ?? First of all, this doesn't happen. Secondly, you're no man or woman if you'll alter or completely remove any standards you have because people ridicule you. So what?? It only would matter if all the people you were interested in criticize you for caring about a person's character. And that should make you immediately uninterested in them because they clearly have no morals or common sense. It's like you'll do anything at all to blame external sources for your dating problems. You sound like a perpetual victim and that's extremely unattractive in anyone, especially a man. That's probably the source of your problems.
Men no longer date women; they don't have to because women give it up willingly because they are " sexually liberated ". Men are not struggling; just watch the videos on RU-vid and you'll fast come to the conclusion that women are being ghosted and used like toilet paper. This is why they are constantly complaining; getting a man is NEVER a problem for women; it's KEEPING a man that's the issue.
@@RARochester yeah I think any one who did a little bit of digging could see this but the cognitive dissonance of some people who can’t look past their gendered lenses. Men are finally wising up. Men are rational to a system that sees them only as a utility and doing the smart thing by walking away from society until there’s a benefit to upholding it. Women will compete for the top males only to be tossed aside and then will expect the world from an average male. Average men are wising up to this game and also walking away or being just like the top men and playing the field
because many men are seeking financial success money, material things and porn, lots of PORN! and other distractions are more appealing. Gym, making money, hobbies, sex with hookers in Thailand and Latin America abroad is much easier than dating women locally.
When I first realized just how much my wife cares about me was when her sister said something somewhat rude about me nothing to crazy. My wife yelled at her and stopped talking to her for a month. Knowing my wife has my back like that practically brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. The very least I can do is make sure I respect her and appreciate her and care for her at LEAST as much as she does for me. I love that woman.
@@amarjotsingh8455 Excuse me? Why go out of your way to make a pointless, rude comment like that? Make yourself feel good? You touching yourself to the idea of irritating people online? How does it feel? Does it feel good? I hope so.
@@okwaho5316 you said “at least” like it’s a lot of to ask of somebody and isn’t the bare minimum someone would expect from their spouse. Also men tend to be mommas boys and don’t stick up for their wife like the way wives do for their husbands
As a woman, I remember confronting myself with the same question about four years ago. “Will the kind of man I think I want actually want me?” It made me stop writing my list of things I needed in a man and instead I thought about what I really wanted my life to look like with a husband and children. And I talked about how I wanted to raise my future children and what things I value. That lined me up with men with similar character who wanted to do similar things. Just over a year later I married an amazing man I wouldn’t have dreamt of. Thank God, because I became very specific about myself and how I was aiming to live, and spoke of that openly, it wasn’t about my pride, but about real plans! We’re expecting a baby this summer. 😊
I am perplexed about so many women finding it hard to have long lasting relationships. Once I’m in a relationship, it’s hard for me to get away from the relationship. Maybe it’s because my dad raised me, and I try to see things in the man’s perspective. The reason I try to run away from a relationship, it’s because I put too many emphasis on pleasing the man, and not enough emphasis in loving myself. My happiness, or lack thereof, is my responsibility, and not the man’s responsibility.
Dating culture in the 1980s: I like you, you like me, lets date and see where this goes... Dating culture in the 2020s: I like you, you like me, but there might be someone better so I'll keep my profile up on the dating app.
@@jhilladay Dating sites proved that 80% of women think they deserve the top 20% of men. Obvious serious problem. Women can get a date with the top 20% but the men won't commit to them.
@@PeopleHealthTru And that's the delusion of these thots. They think because HVM are willing to have bedroom fun with them, that those same men would be willing to commit, even when that's obviously not the case
Except it's just not always true. There's a huge surge in entitlement in the younger generations. The amount of times I've seen people breaking up over the most ridiculous things is absurd. I've even been on the receiving end of such ridiculous breakups that made absolutely no sense. Never argued, never fought, didn't disagree. We went out for date night or to have fun. Stayed in to chill. Laughed nonstop. Nothing was wrong. Still been broken up. My friends included.
@@spin.chicken it might not be a popular thing to consider. But it may just be that you weren’t the type of man she’s interested and she didn’t realize that until after the honeymoon phase. And breaking up with you over something minor was her way of getting out.
You have to realize that Dr Peterson is a psychologist, and he approaches this discussion that way. He is more interested in helping the audience (predominantly male) become better people, that's why his message is focused on self improvement. He could have started pointing out flaws in modern women, but how would that help improve the listener's situation? At the end of the day, the only person you can change is yourself.
I still think that the message from Rollo Tomassi is on point. “What is their incentive to leave the escape?” The problem is young men, don’t want to grow up and take responsibility for their lives. Why are they stunting adulthood and becoming adult children who live at home? What is there incentive to go out and be a man? People want young guys to become men so they will be more attractive to women for marriage. All the responsibility, no authority, no benefits. What is their incentive, the only way to get them to take responsibility is to have them take it for themselves. The problem is there is no incentive for them to better their lives because their escape is so much better.
@ Average Joe I just finished listening to Kevin Samuels RU-vid channel. This is in direct opposition to what Kevin Samuels preaches. For ENTIRELY TOO LONG in this society, the blame for failure of relationships and marriage has EXCLUSIVELY GONE TO THE MEN. NO MORE!!!! The problem TODAY are these modern women!!!!
@@dabigd1860 Jordan Peterson is a decorated scholar, professor, and doctor. If you think KS gives better advice, you’re an idiot. Take some accountability.
The one thing I love about Dr. Peterson is that he doesn’t come from a damaged standpoint. He’s brutally honest and says it how it is. Much respect to him.
@@mrkennady not every woman is a whore. Just bc that’s what guys are into these days and they give most of their attention to hoes instead of the good women doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Men are just bad at choosing. Men are too mesmerized by the bad ones that they can’t recognize and appreciate the good ones. This can go both ways.
@300.Gucci Gang I could be wrong, but I thought he was depressed because his wife had Cancer. But she's better in the meantime, but Peterson still had to recover from the stress and all. Perhaps he had immune system problems as well, stemming from illness.
"Free love" and "hook-up culture" are just BS container phrases that disingenuously removes accountability from women under the guise of it going "both ways". In reality, it's largely women wanting to sleep with the men they actually want to get with and then getting mad the men that they **consensually** slept with didn't return the romantic feelings beyond bedroom fun. In situations like that, did the man coerce the woman into sleeping with him? The truth is that men and women by and large are sleeping with the opposite sex at different rates. These days, a third of men have not slept with women in a year or more. My point being: there is no "both ways". It's women making choices as adults with the freedom to choose then blaming their undesired outcomes on "both sides".
not one mention of marriage and family law ..not one mention of loose women nowadays.. social media.. the encouraging of single motherhood by the state and media .. and so and so on
Or maybe the social circles you move in, your community, etc just plain suck. If the mountain won't come to Muhammed, Muhammed will go to the mountain.
Peterson dousnt really know modern dating the man was married in the 1800s. His daughter is divorced though so he should know that modern relationships are not in a good state at all.
Other Tip: Men who say they can’t find wife-material women need to stop looking for them at parties, bars, night clubs, social media and hookup sites/dating apps.
Work church college grocery stores feels like sexual harassment I don't like singles bars sometimes but atleast at the bar if I smile and flirt it's kind of a appropriate place to flirt
dating apps are statistically the most common way couples meet now, third places have faded into the background and often times I see men post about how they sign up for these dance classes, or go to church or whatever and the only women there are married and elderly women because they are fulfilled already and are just picking up hobbies. Much of the female dating pool is just in college/focusing on career, 1/20 women have an onlyfans, indoctrinated by feminist ideology, or in their rooms depressed just like a lot of the men who have opted out of society. THIS is the world we inhabit, and im saying that from the perspective of living with my fiance not as someone who has a stake in the progressively worsening situation, just trying to be honest about reality. This doesn't even touch the topic of hypergamy and fatherhood or the lack thereof.
Tammy Peterson was talking about it recently how "the birth control" affected her mentality when she was young woman. She wasnt aware of any danger, because the pills caused she was more risky... she would put herself in a risky situations, without selfwareness. She had depressions and when she stopped taking the pills she got better. Then she started to take the pills again and her personality completelly changed. Jordan Peterson noticed it too. She noticed the same attitude with modern women, that if thye take "birth control pills" these women put themselves in risky situations without realising it, flirting with strangers...engaging a risky situations. the pills are altering the hormonal cycle,the microbipom of the guts,it affects the serotonin release, but also the mindset. It seems when men put themselvesa in risky situations, they are selfaware and know how to work , but if young women put themselves in risky sutuation, she sinta ware. Maybe people should do meditation then take some pills. It sseems the birth control pills cahnged women to become a man, and have diffenent wellbeing.
Something that helped me find my wife. Work on what type of person you are projecting. I kept finding party girls, why? I was projecting myself as a all fun, no commitment party guy. Then I started being more honest on dates and working on how I came off, then after scaring off a few women I found my wife who's values and goals met mine. I wanted a family, young. I wanted a woman who was willing to build a relationship for the rest of our lives and was not afraid to give up their youth to struggle though having a family at a younger age. Once I tried less of winning women over and more of being honest with my partners I eventually found my wife. So if you notice you keep getting the opposite of what you are after, look at what you come off as and find what would attract that type of person.
You attract what you are tbh You think a sports teams is going to be friends with their nerds Maybe one or two people on the sports teams might be cool with the nerds but the entire football team not gonna happen If your a party guy you attract party girls. A regular guy could have sex with a party girl but she won’t get commitment because “she for then streets”
Assuming that women are already angels and have figured everything out, right? Does this JP guy even consider that women can be deeply flawed in every aspect of life and can ruin a man's life?
@@sannjdof course he does but JP is telling men to take responsibility for themselves and their failure and not look externally for excuses when you fail at anything.
I love how he makes it VERY clear that men should stop projecting outwards and look within. Whether modern women are dateable or not isn’t your problem. Focus on the obstacles you have for sorting out your own life. Just good old common sense x
Its not common sense, its denying reality. "Whether modern women are dateable or not isn’t your problem" well if youre a man looking for a woman, it most definitely IS your problem.
@@Likexner I’m glad the conversation is being had with women about what men want and vice versa, but you can’t change the world and the people in it. It makes sense to prepare and make yourself into the best version of yourself as much as possible so you can attract the right woman. Because not every modern woman in the world is non traditional.
@@SummerJ200 "I’m glad the conversation is being had with women about what men want and vice versa" But it really isnt. Its mostly about what women want. Where are the women honestly asking what men want and actually listening? I dont see them. No matter what, boomersimps like Peterson will _always_ just blame men and dismiss any external factors, however real they may be. Peterson will tell men "dont worry about the alligators, just find that rubber duck man". You can show Peterson that in certain countries, a man who marries has on average a 40% chance his wife will divorce him and steal his children with the blessings of society and Peterson will still go "jUst iMproVe YouRSelF mAn". His denying of reality borders on that of an old cat lady in her 50s on social media asking "is it too late to find love" and then blocking anyone who says "yes". "you can’t change the world and the people in it" Oh, but you absolutely can. Not by yourself, not easily, ill give you that. It always starts small but it can build up. Feminism was a world changing thing and it happened. _Someone_ started it. Men walking away from the society that doesnt care about them is also a thing that started small but its growing. "not every modern in the world woman is non traditional." I assume you mean "not every modern woman in the world is non traditional". I consider that an oxymoron because in my book, youre either a modern woman or a traditional one, you cant be both. It does depend on your defintions though. If you consider any woman living in the modern world a modern woman, then yeah, i guess there can be traditional modern women. What tradition are we talking about though? The 1950s? The 1850s? The 1350s? What religion, what culture? I think a reasonable bare minimum is that a traditional woman has to be a virgin before marriage, has to have her father involved in the mate selection process and has to marry young and produce multiple children. She has to stay at home with them and take care of them. She has to have her family as the highest priority in her life. Not her boss, not her career, not her social media, not her single friends. Divorce is a dirty word to her. Now with this standard established, i believe there are very few traditional women in the west and there arent many of them left even globally. If i had to put it in numbers, i would say no more than one out of ten thousand western women are traditional. And thats just the bare minimum, not considering what shes like personality wise, how she looks, what her family is like, etc. Nowadays a lot of women seem to think that just _saying_ they are traditional makes them so. Just because she doesnt have blue hair and doesnt scream about patriarchy and attend pride parades, that doesnt make her traditional. If this is what she considers traditional, then the word has very little meaning. Its just a fashion statement, an accessory to a lot of modern women.
@@Likexner that’s a long complex reply . Okay well the macro problem of culture shaping women’s negative ideas of marriage is being addressed, and some women are taking it on board. Also many women are complaining that men are not husband material they’re being messed around and played by mulitiple men who they find out are just not serious.. are just staying single…. Another huge problem. However the personal power that people have to change your own life right now is what’s going to make a difference to a persons life immediately. That is for the individual to make 100% sure that they are marriage material. Mentally, emotionally, financially, and not bringing a whole lot of negative ideas and insecurity and baggage into a potential relationship.. which will ultimately make us incompatible with even the most reasonable partner. That’s my point. What’s going to make the biggest impact on our lives is us changing ourselves… because ultimately that the only area that we have control.
"If you aren't happy alone, you'll be miserable with a partner" Edit: I'm one to side with Schopenhauer about how happiness is internally derived. If you think anything outside of you will make you happy long term your weak-minded
I agree, I used to be confused and irritated by women's pickiness or irrational choices. The older I got the more it made sense to me. As long as I was making progress, I started attracting more women and became more successful with those I approached.
people in general tend to have short attention spans, especially in todays day and age. it can be exhausting, but a woman will tend to stay with a man who is trying rather than someone who just gives up and lets the world decide for him. keep trying. you'll attract the right person.
I would tell everyone to fully take responsibilty for every aspect of your life. As men nobody is coming to save us. Life will give u what u give to it. As long as you are alive there is always a chance to level up.
Amen. As a woman, I feel the same way. I learned very quickly… Disney lied… there is no prince charming… if I want a nice life and to enjoy luxury I had to work for it myself. Applied myself and focused on school and work and now own my own home, car, and saved $ for retirement. I cannot respect men who haven’t done the same… and they talking about submitting? To what mission? It is preposterous.
It's not one or the other, one thought process does not preclude the other. You can take responsibilities for your outcomes, even already have your desired outcome whilst still understanding there is an issue with dating in today's climate. It's observable reality and matters if your emphasis is on building communities, and not necessary your outcomes. I think perhaps the question could've been rephrased so as to not come off like the person asking the question is struggling with women, but from a perspective of people looking to build a community. And huge congrats to The Roommates!
@@ToddRogers00 your argument would be wrong majority know no one is gonna save them especially in a certain race but people refuse to use logical yes there are a percentage that thinks someone is gonna save them
Yeah this and that but for what? What's the end goal? Family or not? Experiences? I don't know if it's because of pandemic but I definitely feel like even those things are exercises in futility and don't bring me much joy. I think it stems from my childhood of neglect and other issues. I don't know if there's any cure but certainly there's lots of suffering and, money, ordered life etc doesn't fix it for me really.
Peterson is never a simplistic person who'll give you an answer such as "this is the one and only fault, problem solved" because he truly knows how complicated the world actually IS.
Peterson dousnt really know modern dating the man was married in the 1800s. His daughter is divorced though so he should know that modern relationships are not in a good state at all.
No, he is just smart enough to give you a word salad that contains so much that whatever eventually happen JP can point back to it and say "see, that's what I meant". It is a VERY old tactic. JP being educated knows that while most of his audience being uneducated thinks that this is a "new discovery"
@@user-lm6me2tz9t Bingo! And we have a winner folks. Peterson only appeals to very slow thinking people. Because when you take his word salads, and distill them into one basic talking point, it's basically "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps." Which is a tired cliche conservatives have been saying for decades now. He really has nothing to offer people.
@@homelessjesse9453 Have you read Asimov's Foundation? There is a scene where there is a politician around for days and when he leaves the senior analyst goes "we took and examined all of his statements during those 3 days and realised that everything cancelled its other out". Don't get me wrong, that takes SKILL, but, as you said, it is not really useful for anyone. And just like the public falls to obvious empty promises by politicians, in the same way it gets easily impressed by Wordsaladson's verbal banter. Sometimes he doesn't even TRY to make a point, but goes round and round asking "what do you mean by this?", "define that". Dude, I am asking for YOUR opinion. I know mine. :p
Every time I listen to Dr. Peterson, I get more enlightened and feel myself getting smarter. Not many people around like that, thank you Dr. Peterson and The Roommates.
Indeed, I never thought about men feeling intimidated. I find men who want to start at sex. Maybe they might not make that their priority. I hope this man that is going to call me tonight is different than these others I have met. I keep asking myself what am I doing wrong? I never act promiscuity. They think since I am alone, I desire sex. I don't care if I never have sex again is the truth. I am going into this with hope it isn't his expectation.
“You’re plenty of problem for you. You’re all the problem you need for yourself, thats for sure” Self reflection and putting the work in and on yourself is a solid start to turning your life around whether you’re a man or a woman, personally, romantically, or professionally.
If you are enough problem for you, then why would I want to add more problem by joining someone's problem to mine? Guys marriage is not a must! Women are the salty ones but acting like men are weak for not wasting their time on commitment.
@@sirrys red pill content is a good way to balance our views which have been dominated by feminist ideology but it’s so easy to get sucked into this idea that all of our problems stem from women or the feminizing of men. There’s a lot of blame to spread across the board and sitting down with people like JP can help us figure out what we need to be held accountable for.
I have a friend that needs to hear this, but I don’t think he’s strong enough to swallow the “I’m the problem” pill. He’d rather blame women, unfortunately.
Tell him to look at both and see the truth that lies In both of them. Some people blame themselves too much and start to feel guilty for things they shouldn't feel that way about. Sometimes that happens. Should he blame women? Only where it honestly is the cause. everywhere else leave them out of it and look at himself
@@x97s the high standards and accountability pill lol. One thing that has helped me immensely is expecting life to consistently be hard, because it is. Bring determination to the table instead of being discouraged when life isn’t easy all the time.
The issue is far too complex for simplifications. If you're 5'5 with a funny looking face you're going to have a hard time in the dating market place. I think what has happened over the last few decades or so is that men are taking less time to learn lessons that it formerly took longer to learn because of the internet and they have looked behind the curtain and seen what life can be like for genetically privileged men and the average woman. Some men are desired for not doing nothing because of their genetics and some will wither away despite trying hard. In the latter case it may be a case of strong genetic limitations or slight genetic limitations combined with bad luck. It does not matter how much you self-improve if you just don't happen to run into women who like you and who are the right for you. If you think that such bad luck is still his fault, what do you think about children dying of accidents or illness? Nobody likes that but it's just bad luck and happens and it's not always the person's fault who dies. If you can accept that then why cannot you accept that some men have bad luck in the dating market place? Gaslighting men into self-loathing and digging for flaws in their "personality" forever is awful. This is a strategy that women learn to use against unattractive men when they cannot bring themselves to say that they don't like his looks and it's mostly about his looks most of the time. Unless we're talking about plastic surgery then self-improvement can only go so far.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 This reply sounds like victim mentality to me. I know my friend very well and he needs to take responsibility and not blame women. There’s a reason he has “bad luck” with most women he talks to. This isn’t true of all men obviously. It’s important to hold people accountable - accountability can inspire growth, mental health, and success. Conversely, victim mentality often leads to feeling helpless, out of control, and depression.
I am a 61 year old woman. Where to find a single man my age. My best friend. I don't want jump in bed, which I have found is what men want and expect. I haven't met a single man at church and don't go to church as a pick up place, but it would be nice. Not one single man at our small church. I dress well, clean, well spoken, funny. I have been listening to J. Peterson about lonely men, I spoke to a man from my doctors office. He is a wee bit older and single. When he said how hard it is to be alone, I jumped on that. I told him he could call me, and he was happy and excited. He wants to call tonight. Great, then we can meet for coffee. I never would have opened that door if I had not listened to the good Doctor. Men are afraid of being shot down. I didn't push myself, he was really happy that I was interested in him as a person.
The part about the men complaining about their wives is so spot on - my father always talked glowingly about my mother around other people and It was a boon for my brother and I to learn how to treat women not only when they are around but also how to respect their being. I noticed in college I would be one of the few guys that didn’t rag on his girlfriend as soon as I was with the boys (and note she and I are now engaged - which I cannot say about any of the couples in which the guy was complaining)
Strange. My experience was the opposite. The women I have worked with said the most disgusting things about the men in their lives. The men I worked with rarely said a negative thing about the women in their lives.
Speaks a lot about your fathers integrity and what he passed down upon you and your siblings. Glad things worked out well for you and your future wife. Hope others learn from your story.
The men here trying to prove you wrong don't even have present fathers. The father what they had was the streets and never had a family representation but yet they talk the most how marriages are but in reality only know and see toxicity around them. That's why some try to disregard your mindset eventhough your doing great. Wish you and your fiance good luck and much love together 🙏🏼💝
There was a point when I was dating my future wife when I said to her "this is serious I see this relationship going somewhere so from now on I am going to treat it as such" so many people never draw a line in the sand its a mistake people how often have great relationships died after one date because no one had the gumtion to say "this is real" I much later found out she told her girlfriends that I proposed because for her I had and that was all she needed to throw her heart into the hat so to speak. That hat became 6 children and 9 grandchildren with more expected and a great life for us all.
@@psychopompous3207 possibly but not as much as people think,I think its likely more conservative now in some ways also. I also believe peoples basic wants and need for a stable home family etc is just as strong its just that they are not as sure how to get there.
@@psychopompous3207 I guess that depends on your country re administration I am in New Zealand ours is pretty dysfunctional but not a total disaster. Values well I am related to most of the people in my bit of society and I raised the vast majority of them so I think they have good strong values. I don't listen to the shouty minority on either side of the political spectrum either but rather the real people.
0:40 Question 1 Article about pairing 3:18 Question 2 Desirability 7:00 Question 3 Look in the mirror 9:39 Question 4 Push-Back 15:05 Re-phrase the question, accountability 15:41 Question 5 How to pick a partner? 16:43 Question 6 Porn and attractions
His penultimate statement about his wife was an amazing demonstration of vulnerability from Pietersen. Shows vulnerability isn’t weakness it’s knowing what you need to work on.
@@performancerdllc2585 that is great as long as we understand that respect is not a birth right like love it is earned, building relationships should not be that hard.. good luck in your future relationships...
not one mention of marriage and family law ..not one mention of loose women nowadays.. social media.. the encouraging of single motherhood by the state and media .. and so and so on
@@cnote3598 Both Males and Females are loose, focus on why men are promiscuous and the society seems to be accepting of that. Single motherhood is not something new, however it is a result of men choosing to desert their families, breeding illegitimate children, men have the power to change that stereotype, instead of looking within, they look for somebody to blame...
This man is just so brilliant. He doesn't shill to the red pill or blue pill spectrum and just speaks the objective truth. Hafeez also asked good questions that I often hear being regurgitated around. Great interview.
He's brilliant, but naive and dopey in some regards. Yes, men need to level up, but that's not the whole equation. A lot of women also need to be held accountable, and a lot of them aren't marriage material, straight-up. Peterson, like other TradCons, will just always tack it on men to patch a sinking ship, no matter how many holes it has. What the TradCons always leave out, is that the reason young men are so absurdly ill-prepared for the harsh realities of life today, is because of feminism. We have an epidemic of weak and absent fathers because of the sexual revolution, and God knows how many decades of women telling men that they aren't needed. Ridiculous divorce laws that no one wants to fix, pervasive hookup culture where only the top strata of men share amongst them most of the women, women who don't want to be wives, etc. ALL of that is because of feminism, but TradCons won't bring it up, because they don't wanna offend women lol. It's just easier for them to tack it on men, and ask them to man-up and lift the boulder. If divorce laws become even more parasitical tomorrow, women became even more rebellious and lower-quality wives, there will be another "Peterson" telling men to man-up, and take charge. "Well, it's bad, but that's life. Life is unfair. So what are you going to do, just sit there and cry to yourself, and give up on women? Are you going to be afraid of women all your life, or are you going to make something of yourself?" "Go on and marry, take a chance, you'll die anyways. At least you'll have lived your life knowing you did all that you could. Be a real man." If it isn't Jordan Peterson, there will be another "Peterson" saying the same thing. Just man-up. It's all these people know really, no matter how bad things get. They'll always compare men to the men of old, but what they don't realize is, that the men of old wouldn't settle for the absurd deal that today's men are given. They'd either simply walk away, or force their will upon the situation, whether that's good or bad. Guys like Peterson will never try to solve the problem itself, just tell men to deal with the symptoms. Beware.
@@toocheaptobuycolognes3681 That's why you just walk away. There's no better feeling than leaving the morons shaming you stunned as they realize you'll no longer bail their boat because you no longer care. "You need to grow up and be a *real* man, you need to fix the problems of a society that openly spits on you and demeans your contributions so tha-" "Okay, well... I'm not doing that, and you don't have the leverage to make me. So... what do you want to do now?" Pay your taxes, recycle, keep to yourself. Let nature's course correction hit them full bore.
To be honest I can't entirely blame women for my lack of success. I was so shy that even when a woman showed interest I bottled it. I did ask some women out, but either they said no outright, or I did not get very far. Some women showed interest when I got older, but I just did not fancy them. I think you have to dedicate time to it and find a way of coping with the humiliation and rejection. That is not easy.
Women have changed and men couldn't keep up with the changes. You are not alone. Don't forget Peterson don't hold all precious wisdom of life, there are some things he had no prior experience whatsover but still does his best explaining based of his life experience.
We feel the same, it’s difficult and painful to meet someone. It’s easier to focus on the differences which seems to be the default right now, I hope things get better soon
Mwam, 'they are right' he means from a standpoint of revolution. So they might be right in picking mates for the revolution of there child, but a lot is also still based on how it was for 1000's of years. I wouldn't say they are always right in picking a good partner who makes them happy. Maybe not even in who makes the child have the best life.
@@CS-wn2sz I just really don't understand how this perspective reconciles itself with the notion that a women's judgment is infallible. No one in the whole world has perfect judgement. People are wrong all the time, why doesn't that apply to women? Women make mistakes in choosing partners and mates constantly. How is a women right in choosing the abusive dead beat drug dealer, while neglecting the mentally stable well adjusted adult who'd be a good dad? We see it all the time. JP's argument is actually really quite reductive. It generalizes women's ability to make perfect judgment calls in regards to choosing mates, while simultaneously telling men to not generalize the behavior of women as unreasonable.
57 years old and married 36 years, lately I’ve been watching he divorce rate soar even among retired people! Everybody busy ‘living their truths’ creating an impossible relationship problem. He is totally spot on.
I'm still married and now that both my daughters have established their careers and recently bought houses, there is no reason for me to stay. He values and treats his employees better than me, I mean very little to him. Like the interviewer said my husband must of picked the wrong woman, I'm a mistake.
These conversations are worth while, that's why thousands of people tune in for them....keep having the hard conversations, through dialogue we all can heal.
I was asked why I never married by a woman several years ago when I approached 50. I could easily say part of it was due to graduate school, delays in starting an academic career, tenure and promotion, commitment to work, lack of time, bad timing or simply I never met the right person to marry. However, the better response is also to think it may be something about you and not exclusively about all the external factors.
Not really, considering 80% of women are the top/bottom 20% of men. No matter what these guys do, if they're not in those 20% they're not getting attention. So at some point, even if you've maxed all you can personally, it doesn't change the numbers, which are the problem, and it doesn't change the other problems of _female biological nature_ We can keep ignoring it, but eventually we will hit a wall and have to deal with the _female biological problem_ 🤷
Dr Peterson is a legend. He is a crusader for logical thinking, which we are lacking in these times. We need to stop placing feelings over facts, while remaining reasonably empathetic.
@@SCheco3 Oh, female here! i like facts.^^ Example: Till i was 30, i was only together with men who had no car, sometimes no job at that time, outisders. But outside my private life and when i was single, half of the men i rejected, talked sh** about me behind my back...like: I am being too picky, only want men with a big bank account and/ or a bigger car. These things where never an item for me and in our conversations!^^ And of course it was not true. But it had something systematical. It happened so often, that when i was 16 yrs old, i expected it after EVERY rejection! Normal. I forgot to say that i also was, of course, a sl**, can not count to 10 and it is easy to see that i am not fun in bed.^^ That came from men of every backround. From minimum educated to highly educated. But fact is also (yes, guess what? There can be more like ONE fact. Good morning^^) that the other half of the rejected men react like adults...sometimes charming. That charming that my hormones started working. (Because love is just hormones and i can not be with someone when i don't really feel anything...i know, i am so oldschool^^...but that was the case with most of my female friends).
The main issue is that 'dating' as an activity is phrased in preditory terms. Everything is defined in either playing the preditor or the bait. Instead of meeting people organically, we are trying to force the interaction, and then acting surprised at the failure rate. It's a manipulation playground.
It’s not necessarily male or female “fault”, but in the past women generally mate with males that are superior bread winners, not equal bread winners. So as women are becoming more often equal bread winners, their desire to mate with a superior bread winner hasn’t changed.
Not necessarily a true statement that women want to mate with an above bread winner. Dr. Vaknin, a professor of psychiatrics, says it is not about bread winning that women choose mates but other intrinsic qualities.Jordan and Kevin Samuels promote this idea that women want the HVM and that is just not the case. I would be considered a 10 and I married an unemployed guy that is 5'6". I fell in love with him because he asked to walk my dog. He spent his last paycheck on me for a birthday gift. There are no group think here we are all individuals and to put us all in the same catagory. I am sure there are those who choose a mate based on your assumption but the majority of us want to be valued and validated by a future mate not what's in his pocket.
@@kayhawkins5925 no. He’s right. There are multiple studies showing reason for declining marriages is because women don’t find men economically attractive. Since women are earning equally to men, there’s no chance for majority of average joes to out earn all females. And women are far less likely to marry men who earn less than them. While men have been marrying women who didn’t even earn a penny
@@raghuveer4552 believe as you wish fits your narrative. Men who have to be led by men " coaches" or "guru's" have no identity of their own so have to be told how to think, feel or believe and the real reason men have become weak as easy to become a victim and blame women. Guess I will have to tell my unemployed son with a beautiful girlfriend that his relation won't work out.
I firmly believe things happen for a reason. Now in my late 20's I'm going to continue working on myself and I believe one day it's all going to fall in place like it should.
not one mention of marriage and family law ..not one mention of loose women nowadays.. social media.. the encouraging of single motherhood by the state and media .. and so and so on
@@cnote3598 you still can look for a conservative woman or move to a more conservative country, you can turn off social media and you're not obligated to deal with single moms. Y'all just want to complain.
@@NNBU i do .. but you act as if liberal lefty commie culture isn't everywhere and that the avg woman nowadays is a skank .. I'm sure you ahve a checkered past as well. .. CELL PHONES, FACEBOOK, RU-vid AND INSTAGRAM ARE EVERYWHERE sweetheart...cultural Marxism is everywhere... it's in a farm girls pocket or within the reach of a preachers daughter .. wake up
@@cnote3598 there are virgins out here they just don’t want a red pulled psycho near them so to keep them at bay they lie and act sexually experienced. I have seen it and as a Virgin I have done it. These manosphere crazies need to be kept at arms length especially since most are hypocrites anyway. They cry about wanting virgins and when they get one they want to treat her like the women they call “whores”. I THINK NOT!!!
I just like the fact that he says "Dr. Peterson." It's such a simple thing and there's a string of interviews over the years where the interviewer doesn't. What respect from The Roomates!
That's just how we are raised as African children. To respect our elders and also the work or accomplishments a person has put to get to where they are.
I must say it is truly refreshing to hear a man speak this way. It’s true that wise women consider their future and the future of their children when choosing a mate
This is great advice for us women also. We need look at ourselves and not just point fingers. Also love the not bad mouthing each other to friends/people. I find that so trashy when friends do that all the time. It's like they can't get through a single hangout without ripping into their husband/wife.
Except the hole in his logic, and I don’t know why this question wasn’t asked, but what about women “batting out of their league” like he says men do? I’d argue most women nowadays bat out if they’re league than most men do. Every women feels entitled to a perfect top 10 percent man.
The best dating advice is to look at the persons past dating history. If they move from relationship to relationship with no longevity, you can be confident that the problem is probably them and not the people they dated. Also always check to see if they've cheated. Cheating is a habitual behavior. If they've done it before they will do it again.
Change being the only constant, I have to disagree. If people are listening to JP, I have to believe they are trying to grow and become a better version of themselves. Otherwise, nobody would give a damn what he has to say. Writing someone off for their past ... We can all do that to one another. Might as well all live alone and in isolation.
@TheHouseOfGames(Original) everyone is capable of change. Unless you are a perfect person, you have to believe it of others. Usually people who say things like "people don't change" what they really are doing is projecting their own failures on others, or giving themselves a reason (excuse) to not even try.
An interesting concept for people to have a dating resumé. I'd like see a swap here and have businesses randomly hire people without looking at their history or interviewing people. Even with all that trouble, businesses still end up with some terrible workers. If it's hit or miss either way, might as well wing it. 😂
I’ll say from experience when I was playing music and doing ok for myself I was getting some dates and a little attention from women but when I chose to walk away looking for something else, all that little attention from women dried up and honestly I’m not mad at them or the way things are. It is what it is. I’ve really come to enjoy my alone time but also the self reflection on my life and the decisions I’ve made have really come to light as well. I wrote down things I wanted to do and realize I have a lot of work to do and I don’t have a lot of time.
I would love to know the quality of women you were pulling. Education? Career goal? Life goals? Spirituality? In my experience woman who go after rappers, especially local rappers, tend to be birds or are just looking for a good time.
@@AMusicBaby I mainly played in cover bands. I mostly talked to educated women. Most women I ran into were either artists, in psych, or in social work. I’ve seen what your talking about though. If you’re a local rapper or some decently known artist they have a certain group of women that follow them.
Same here, man. Musician. Kinda a painful existence. I mostly got viewed as the guy that was an escape from the woman’s dull life. I never found any quality women worth being with doing music. I became a CNA, going to school to be a nurse, all of the sudden all the women vanished, and I was viewed as a weirdo. It was wild. (I also gained weight in school, so that is probably why) CNA work became horrible, and I decided I didn’t like it. Now I’m doing door dash, and I make more money doing this. Seriously, 24-29 dollars an hour doing freaking door dash. Oh, and now I see two women every week who just come over to sleep with me. WTF?? Right!? I am going to the gym now. Makes you think about what women really want, right? Women don’t need men’s money anymore, but they do need and escape from the corporate life they have brought upon themselves. I’m gunna start my music again soon.. maybe the ladies could tell that CNA and nursing was something I was forcing on myself for security during the “pandemic”.
@@benbenben123ben that’s definitely true about the musician thing being seen as a fun time. You run into some interesting situations. If you’re that type of person then it’s a decent life but most musicians I ran into or worked with admit it’s hard to balance a relationship. Not impossible just hard. I’m sorry to hear about the RN thing not working out. It is a rough job and career path. They may have sensed it or sometimes the way we voice things also has an influence. Man I’ll just say have fun when your in abundance while dating and enjoy the quiet when you’re not. Trying to figure out what someone wants is just difficult and something you have get from the individual women you’re interested in.
Men feel disenfranchised. Whether it’s true or not. The problem is the culture not the creature. The individual. Take accountability for what you are and aren’t
Men take accountability for themselves but women do not; the women subscribe to victimhood time and again especially with crocodile tears in front of the judge.
The world today women live in is superficial and they keep telling women that they deserve more and more and more and al because they're false and very insecure with themselves they put up all this makeup and all this fake bodies and they're thinking they deserve everything. What about self respect and chasteness loving other people and stop running around here half naked like sex objects but yeah you don't want to be treated as such what double standards.
With all the craziness i see in the world....dating and relationships being part of it.......I feel and think we're on the verge of collapse on all levels
He's so endearing. His intellect is just that...intellectual. And wholesome and Christian. He's taking about marriage, family, and responsibility, while the young generation and "manosphere" immaturily focuses on sex and possession
Don't blame us. You broke marriage apart and broke apart deep relationships. Men are just adapting to the new world that feminism created. Now that serious, responsible relationships are no longer possible due to the absence of suitable women, men are just finding other ways to be happy.
@@Megabimol I'm a woman and I totally agree with you. The manosphere is just dangerous and risky for some men, I think, because it causes them to simply hate women and view them as objects. Not all women are Miami influencers who just want to play the field and settle with a rich, old man. As a matter of fact, the majority of women in my life are exactly not that. So I appreciate Peterson's focus on traditional relationships and introspection (rather than generalizing an entire sex)
@@Tresdrole123 But the thing is we are living in the most progressive era of our time and marriage is the most old conservative institution, thats why you see lots of clashes between these two thing. You miss read me! I said manosphere is not perfect ( as no person is) but it is needed in this most progressive era we are living in.
@@Megabimol human beings are advance because we evolve. Marriage is conservative, but it too evolved with the times. Our great and great, great grandmothers started wearing pants to work during war time and our parent's were able to advance the quality of their living through two income streams. Evolution isn't always bad. To me, Jordan Peterson is one of the biggest advocates for men, so hes challenging men to look within and advance with the times. I suspect one way men will have to evolve is by chucking the coveted ivory tower of university education and pursuing in-demand streams to succeed, like crypto investing, the trades, entrepreneurship, and content creation. Women are dominating spaces that demand being agreeable to succeed. The sky is the limit for men to redirect where they go to succeed and become intrinsically and extrinsically evolved.
We found each other in our late 30s. Been together for 14 years now and have a 12 and 13 year old. Both of us enjoy our jobs, our kids and each other. Neither of us are supermodels but I think he's hot and sexy and he thinks the same of me. My best tip: being hateful and miserable all the time are not attractive traits. Be an adult not a child. Laugh. Often.
This was very helpful for me. I stop asking what's wrong with women and ask, what's wrong with me. An it does make things less stressful, cause I can fix me. I can't fix women.
@@gusjackson3658 I get you cause outside of hypergamy we really don't know what women want, an hypergamy doesn't to be honest seem important to all women,broke women have kids by and date horrible males with little to no social value.. that's why I said I can't fix women. All I can do is try to be a better me.
Both genders share the blame, i see the women are strangely chatty on this thread and not others, as if they found a small door to whine about men lol. Youre not off the hook ladies. The responsibility falls on both genders
This was really great. The collective mind often does not reflect on itself. The individual, alone, once reflects, feels a need to better the self and others. It’s important to teach others how to build themselves.
"Are you a rabbid pornography user" ding ding ding......it's an epidemic. He's so on point about hating the opposite sex. It took me delving into c-ptsd to start to act in a more respectful way towards men. I think it's similar for either sex. Clear & honest communication will get you far.
I literally dis-armed a man in an active robbery. My ex's best friend had invited rivaling gang members to a party (thought she was boss) and one of my friends was nearly a victim. I never told my ex about it. Happened on her birthday in her front yard. I could have been terminated that day. That was when I realized that my girlfriend of several years actually made me feel more alone than actually being alone made me feel. And that was the only "reliable" thing about her. Nobody to confide in or show any weakness. That's the quickest way she'll ever split on you as a man. I'm alone either way - so why not enjoy myself being alone? I can't even get a diagnosis of PTSD. I'm on my own as a man, entirely. I saw the collapse of western civilization nearly 15 years ago and I'm enjoying the show! Oh boy this good. All the exes are democrats... like the majority of women... and Men are the problem? That makes sense. Not. Masturbation is the problem? Better try again. Correlation is not causation - that is a logical fallacy Jordan is familiar with. Perhaps it's the other way around? What if excessive masturbation is just a symptom of a much larger problem? Who is to say? That's what I think. Did you know that 1/3 of men are raising children that are not theirs biologically and they aren't even aware of it? Are you aware that marriage is essentially entering a contract where the female signatory is paid to violate that contract? Who in their right mind would agree to those terms and conditions? What if I reverse the role play - are you interested in getting married and losing half your entire life at my discretion as I withhold access to your biological offspring (damaging them in the process to gain leverage in adult quarrels) while demanding that you pay child support for the kids that aren't even yours? *I HOPE NOT* . Does that sound like a GOOD DEAL to you, miss? Gee, I wonder... WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE???? O_o Maybe it's not all the men's fault after all? Maybe your therapist is a quack? Perhaps femininity is toxic in this society. Change my mind.
I'm not downplaying you or your C-PTSD. I'm just stating a difference of opinion and asking if you can help change my mind. I don't understand what all this fuss is about and I'd like to be enlightened. Clearly there must be something I just don't understand here. There must be something that, despite my greatest efforts, eludes my comprehension. Who knows?
@@jean-louislalonde6070 Did he remarry? I know his wife had passed away from cancer. I feel bad for him but at the same time I don't. He calls other men 'weak' and 'cowardly' like he doesn't have the ability to look in the mirror. Male model body builders out here, chad getting married to adult dolls and treating them like they're human (search Yurii Tolochko) and JP is clueless about it. He cannot empathize with the struggles of young men in my demographic and his advice is sometimes toxic and oblivious of the world at large. Other than that I agree with many of the political things he says... it's just that he is self-contradictory with a few of his statements.
@@betterdeadthanred318 I don't think men or women not mating is something to be blamed or a fault. It's natural. But remember, Jordan Peterson is more likely a conservative from another generation. And women who say, men are to be blamed for the lack of husbands, are obssesed with getting a partner. Most men are not. A few men are bitter lazy and want a top woman on their life. A lot more of woman are bitter about not finding men, while saying things like "I want a husband like this and that and I don't care what men think about it"... I mean, the husband will be a man... so... they should care. If you are a woman bitter and lonely, you are to blame for that, If you are a man bitter and lonely, you are to blame for that. But if you just don't care, there's no obligation, unless you are islamic, conservative, or gynocentric, those are the ones who think people not having kids is something to BLAME.
If you want a good woman, work on being a good man. If you want a good man, work on being a good woman. Good people travel in the same direction and circle. You will have opportunities to meet good people if you're good yourself.
I needed to hear this interview today. I only recently came to terms with my shortcomings. I was always trying tp push the blame on women, that it was in fact their fault. It is a sobering reality to come to grips with your personal failures as a person. Getting to see this interview right after I made that realization just confirms to me that I am heading in the right direction, even if it is just a baby step. Keep your heads up.
Like anything, it's complicated. As someone nearing 40 I have witnessed first hand the dating market being screwed up by apps and the ever increasing demands women are placing on their potential mate (all women are inundated by messages and it feeds into their belief they deserve much more than they can keep - although the smart ones realise this and date realistically). However, the individual male is not making things easier for himself in this shitshow if he doesn't offer anything. Just depends if you can be bothered playing the game these days, it's harder than it's ever been for men. If times get tough, the dating market will improve drastically for average guys
JP is VERY intelligent and with a measure of wisdom and I believe that many men don't enjoy hearing the truth of their behaviors that are not beneficial or downright wrong. JP is someone we can definitely learn great things from.
I love that he’s all about individual assessment. I believe we generalize way too much because we want to understand things. To look at an individual is far more realistic.
Basically an unclear, generalized question aimed at trying to "fix women" and JP does what he does: go back to personal responsibility first. And informing that for people to grow in their thinking they need help with experts to identify where the root of the problem you are facing is and help you out. Individuals are different in many ways and may have different triggers.
Also its more healthy to look for ways to adapt. Sometimes people know what they have to do but put excuses to try to feel good. Yes being fat automatically make us undesirable for a lot of partners at the first impressions. Whats the solution...? After 28y we need to find ways to socialize and get to know new acquaintances and friends if we are single. This problem is more about logistics. Just as any Joe cant end world class problems the individual cant stay dwelling on the macro. You build your own power and then tackle the bigger challenges.
@@zitstif he's not an expert. He's a psychology professor. He doesnt know everything. Professors are known to be the shittyest in their fields. Unable to leverage their knowledge for capitalistic gains. A good medic will cure sick people. A bad medic will teach young people thanks to other people's books.
@@teejay5516 or how modern men like to make excuses. When I wasn't getting the men that I wanted I left my home country, learned a new language and started my life in a place more aligned with my ideals. I didn't blame a entire sex because I didn't get what I wanted. People nowadays want everything without having to put in work
@@NNBU exactly, everyone needs to hold themselves accountable to some sense otherwise you're playing the blame game and you wont put yourself in the best position to succeed
Wherever you’re at in your life , that’s who we attract . If I desire someone who is kind, responsible , a good listener , someone who is honest, , that’s what I myself need to be or become . Don’t believe it though , put it to the test . Best wishes to all. 💕
@@famousxji1852 It's absolutely not true otherwise there'd never be disfunctional or bad relationships. If you think about it with any kind of logic it just doesn't hold up.
not that simple not one mention of marriage and family law ..not one mention of loose women nowadays.. social media.. the encouraging of single motherhood by the state and media .. and so and so on
People ar hurting out there . They are in a process. It’s hard to observe and not judge , move on . We can’t change other people, only ourselves. When we change, the world around us changes,
@@Tamar-sz8ox incorrect. You can change as much as you want, but some things are out of your control, and life circumstances can lead you to bad outcomes, even if you try your best to be better. Its the unfortunate reality. The world is more bad than good
I found the redpill manosphere subculture when I was 18, I'm now 28. I get it as a man, the struggle to obtain sex and affection, but the manosphere can be rather revenge seeking in it's discussion of female traits and the dating scene. I'll just say that of men from my observations are just as equally delusional but about different things.most guys don't know how to attract women sexually, or put effort into being so. So they cry and think I make this much money, have this car, I'm nice, and think women are just unlocked by meeting generalized attributes. When in reality they dont question how they talk, their attitudes, vibes, lol not wearing cargo shorts. Both women and men want it all for the least amount of effort.
Look, we all know the hate on cargo shorts is just because we have all those capacious pockets and too many pieces of women's apparel don't have a pocket to speak of. This has been my TED Talk.
Comment of the century 👏🏽. When both genders are that deluded though, that delusion runs deep enough to make them think their not deluded, and a Mexican stand off against each other ensues instead of each woman and each man taking accountability for their life. Amen 🙏
I agree 100% the problem with young people is the instant gratification, while women get drunk by it and end up single and can't find a man to settle, men get hateful that they don't get it and then blame it on women, in the end both will end up sad and lonely
One of the reasons that girls have an advantage in modern classrooms is that lot of boys need a kinaesthetic element to learning. I have tutored boys in their early and mid-teens whose grasp of mathematic concepts was transformed by the use of a basic abacus. The simple act of shifting the beads around allowed then to grasp concepts like basic multiplication and division that had been baffling them beforehand. It appears that the more sedentary a lesson is, the more boys are placed at a disadvantage.
@@eamontdmas hi, based on my experience I can say it's not hard to believe. I would like to use such a point in a discussion with friends, so to your knowledge, is there any study that underline similar facts? Something I could quote?
Glad to hear the Dr. speak about pornography as a negative. Diving into the outcomes of high speed internet porn use is devastating. So bad for our society from every direction.
I agree. I would also like Dr Peterson to showcase that as men have a problem with porn addiction, so do women have a problem with attention addiction. Both addiction tendencies cause problems to relationships between men and women
@@leahflower9924 You made a great point, while men need to pay for it, you get it for free, without doing any work thanks to social media. You can be the worst version of yourself and still get attention thanks to social media while the other gender needs to do all the work, level up and be their best version to suit your needs.
@@elidurdevic4234 men don't really need to pay for it there's tons of lonely women out there, but some men pay because they are selfish and like depravity
I've been said these men sound delusional. Instead of working on themselves they rather blame women. Choose better. Be willing to change and listen. Same for women. If you keep failing start looking internally.
they need to watch kevin samuels, that man tells men the harsh truth on how to succeed and none of this sugar coating victim blaming bs common in the manosphere/redpill
But men are not the ones that present problems. It's you womenfolk. How? You reject every man you come across if your single and you don't know what is right
You will never Truly understand men, and you took Dr Peterson’s words lightly. Dr. Peterson love men soo much soo that he is advising men to take responsibilities even when women keep on doing their trash. He cares aboutmen improving themselves!
I love when he said women get pregnant as a result, exactly. Women have more to loose than men, men have sex for fun women either get pregnant. an get an std or get attached to someone who may or may not be committed long term. They have a right to be choosy and not in a form of looks money or a superficial stands but character and morals.
Before character and morals they look at your appearance and that is external. There are men who might look average but have outstanding personality and character, values and morals. But they get eliminated in the first filtration process itself. So what's the point then?
This I think is one of the weakest points he makes. Yes, evolutionarily it makes sense, but not today. In a majority of social circles and standards, the man holds a responsibility to be a father all the same. There is absolutely risk for men, as well. It doesn’t affect their bodies, of course, but it does affect their entire future…. I don’t get what he’s trying to say there.
??? 1. women can, by all means, have sex for fun 2. if the woman gets pregnant, she can abort. if a man gets a woman pregnant, he can't do anything like that 3. a man can get stds too 4. the attachment part applies to men too 5. if a man gets pregnant, he's the one who's being screwed over; in most cases, the woman gets custody of the child, and with that, child support
@@peterparker1119 I mean you need to be physically attracted to the person in order to be intimate with them, so obviously the appearance comes first and then if their personnality is also good then you found your partner lol
Everything Dr. Peterson said was on point 🎯. Loved the maturity of the introspection he revealed is required to get to the heart of why you can’t find who you want in life.
No, it wasn't. He only focused on below average men who don't have their shtick together. He didn't address what average men doing their best working on themselves should do. These men was what the original question was about but he immediately started talking about below average men not doing anything to fix themselves instead of the average men doing their best while being average but still failing because *average women are not interested in average men*
@@obsideonyx7604 Generally, if no one of the opposite sex finds you attractive, then it makes sense that you are doing something very wrong. However, American women are mostly attracted to bad boys and athletes. They aren't looking for family oriented guys with a good education and job. So if you are trying to compete by being a good partner, you will probably fail in the USA. Go overseas to a 3rd world country and that dynamic completely changes. Women are looking for good partners that will take care of them and their families. They strongly compete for them. J.P. is wrong, he doesn't understand 1st world women.
The message I’m getting from Jordan Peterson is Stop blaming someone else and try to improve yourself in regards to Your way of life also be realistic with yourself when dating.
It is just like pro sports or action movies. When you know that it is all fantasy or at a level you will never achieve, I see no problem in it. Heck, you can even draw some inspiration from it! (And when you are single, you have something to.. You know.. Look at.. ) It is also a healthy thing to check if your apparatus is still functional once in a while :)
And it is sad for yourself saying... That you will never achieve something... You don't know your capabilities maybe or you think some external reason why it will stop you
I’m female and always been very shy. I always hoped some guy would come up and ask me out because me? No I am too shy to ask them. But no one came up to me during all my school years probably because I didn’t signal any interest back. I have met countless men about whom I thought: ”If this guy asked me out I would say yes in a heartbeat”. Countless men. Very basic looking men, even some ugly ones. I am not kidding. There are so many charming guys out there with great personalities. None of them asked, so… I just think you guys should know that. I mean, sure I’m not super attractive but I’m not disgustingly ugly either. I’m just shy. Guys: Ask out the shy women because you’ll discover that the reason you’re alone is mostly because you aren’t taking advantage of the opportunities right in front of your eyes :) I am doing the asking nowadays because I am stronger and believe in myself more! You should too!
that's a great comment and you are absolutely right. the main reason why men don't have girlfriends is always that they don't even try. and i bet it was the same for you no matter if you think you weren't or aren't the most attractive woman, more than enough guys found you pretty but didn't dare to approach you because they were afraid you would reject them which is really sad.
Yeah that's a very point you made here. Most guys struggle with approaching women but then there is the issue of men being made fun of by women they approach . But the main point here is that you would never know unless you try regardless of fear of rejection. Once you are able to master rejection and view it in a positive light as a man you can even be able to turn and use that rejection to make yourself more attractive and manly to women. The thing really is consistent approaches and practice then you will be 100 percent sure when you see an interest or disinterest from women
"Because men dont get pregnant obviously." I cannot believe that in 2021 that statement is considered controversial or objectionable in some circles. We are living out the story of The Emperor Who Had No Clothes in real time.
I have a pretty, petite 38 year old daughter who is unmarried. She has never married, has no children. A degree in economics and a certified welder. All the men she has met over the years have either been untruthful and unkind or have no motivation.
@Cristiano Ronaldo Wrong. The last one she really saw as being a suitable match was engaged to someone else. How he managed it over 6 months was a puzzle.
I am the same age as your daughter. I, too, am unmarried with no children. I've only gone on a couple of dates. I cannot blame this on external factors or bad luck. At her age, she cannot blame bad luck for not meeting someone. She needs to evaluate what she is doing, or not doing, that keeps her single.
No relationship last for looks or money. It'll last because of trust, compassion, communication and the willingness to grow & learn together. Nobody is perfect but 2 people can help each other become better individuals!
@@VersionBestyou did something wrong that's you are unaware of. Women don't do things like that easily or for fun they do when you aren't meeting their needs
@@KshipsinKchups bzzzt wrong. sometimes they just get seduced by chad and give it up for a player. tingles and feels over reals. you can do everything right, be fucking brad pitt, and still get cheated on and divorce raped. could you have been fuckin her better? maybe. giving her everything she thinks she wants? yup. dont matter bro. it is what it is. the system is fucked and thats why men are checking out of marriage and LTR's. dont hate the player hate the game
"I'm reasonably symmetrical." Lol. I once met a guy who told me he was single because women were overly histrionic. Then, as I got to know him, I realized he was rude and just treated women with disregard and disrespect. When the women would respond with anger or tears, he would dismiss them as emotional nitwits. It had happened often enough that it shaped his whole attitude, and no woman would ever pass his "tests" for them. And he did try to test each one by poking at her. As to recommendations for men looking to find someone, I might add being kinder and just being well mannered. Return a smile. Open the door. Learn to be interested in the woman beyond the sexual. If you find that you just don't care or can't care about her as a person, leave her alone. Get a dog or something, until you are someone worthy of being with and loving someone else.
I know a guy just like this!!! He was so rude and always in some form of "one-up" competition with me whenever we're talking about anything, nothing is right unless HE says so and when he is clearly losing the argument he'll get personal and poke at something sensitive and then you get emotional and now he's calling you emotional and just dismissive....lmao and he's constantly complaining about how he's single and oh poor him but he's always just so bitter and waiting to one way or another belittle a woman...lol doesn't help that he's unemployed and literally just broke and bitter.
@@ethereal946 I always wonder about this sort of thing...whether it's that some feel they must always be the superior or if there's a hidden resentment due to the way parents related. Or just twisted anger due to someone in the past. At least one man I knew who had trouble treating women with respect told me he was functionally impotent. In any case, it's misplaced blame. Many would benefit from self examination, especially if they found a counselor like Dr. Peterson. Thing is, many of them are too arrogant or too insecure, or just blind, so they go around spreading the misery.
Shitty response, I rode my bike to a job and did what I needed to do in a new state got a place never threw it in anybody face. Still not good enough, Im very likable but not good enough women don’t respect the hustle unless you got something they don’t have or can’t get
Something else to note is that he is objective and doesn’t attack either gender. There’s so much red pill content that INTENDS to do the same thing as JP but instead they come off as bitter and make sweeping generalizations about the genders.
One thing that I 100% agree with Peterson, is that we are falling our young boys miserably. We are always pushing girls to be empowered and be the best version of themselves. While with our young boys we teach them to not change and that the system is against them somehow which breeds this victim mentality.... We need to teach Positive Masculinity, have great role models for our young boys. Other that the ultra rich billionaires with no moral, or the rappers with no virtue, or the basketball players with no values.... Men are great, we are loosing the essence of positive masculinity that raised so many generations. Yes there is toxic masculinity that limits our young men, but there is also positive masculinity that our young men can and should try to emulate. And its our job to present that to them... but we are not. The masculine is noble, disciplined, virtuous and reliable. Me as a woman is always inspired by the masculine and even I try to emulate it (balance of course)
What? The essence of idiokogic feminism, that is dominating this whole debate in public, is telling women they must be empowered, cause the system, the conspiracy theory of the patriarchy, is against them, while men are shown as the problem and that they must be discriminated and have to fall back for women quote. Its girls and women who got the permanent victim mentality, while men get shown as the agressor and the reason for all bad things the whole time. And what is shown to women and girls is cherry picking. Take whats profitable, let the bad stuff do men. Where are the women who are coming out of their comfort zones?
No, Prof Sam Vaknin said women are becoming men, because there are no real men or is little group of real good responsible men.....therefore the women have nobody to rely on, so they have to rely on themselves to be stronger. He means that she is supposed to become stronger to survive, because nobody else will do it for her if she is single. If she has a nice guy she doesn´t have to be so strong probably. Therefore men also are becoming feminine, because there are very little group of a real feminine decent women the man can rely on.....therefore men are becoming women... He probably means some men and some women. Also there is the fact there is the neutral unisex gender. I guess he means if woman meets genuine nice decent well spoken man as Dr. Peterson, not necessarily rich but focused on what he wants....then she doesn´t have to become stronger, because she is in love with the guy who protects her. And people who are emphatic also fall in love easily. There are many good men as Dr. Peterson who speak decently, but maybe not all women have the opportunity to meet such nicely behaved men and not all men have opportunity to meet decent women. Men think women want only guys who have big muscless or that only men with muscles are attractive... women probably want balance between look and wisdom and decency... not just one things all three together. And men probably want the same, not just looks but also wisdom and decent behavior. Because human attention probably goes to al kinds of directions not just the muscles and looks 24/7 but other things.
As a woman i wish you goodluck in your further self discovery. You made the first step - realized something. Honestly, i also have the same problem as i am a female incel. My friend advised me to present myself better, as Jordan did now. I can see also how dressing better works better. But i still feel i have no will to keep going because of the past experiences. I just wish you good luck and as to myself, an open mind to learn and adapt and not give up. Because there is hope for all
“If they are not picking you,it’s because they are right” . “If you are better, then you’ll be successful with women” Sounds to me like self development and some accountability.
Sounds to me like he's putting women on a pedestal. As if alot of women don't generally choose men who are absolute garbage human beings, I really don't think we should be basing our ideal of what men should be by choosing the douchbags that women really like.
@@loganray3503 agree. Women are still the prize; men need to do whatever it takes to get one, have kids, and GO TO CHURCH! For the hardcore religious, it always gets back to ‘more in the church’s flock.’ So men, you need to keep plugging away and sacrifice….
Thank you Jordan, we are not crazy! And they love to ignore porn .... they also ignore the reality of pregnancy .... “If they don’t find you attractive, maybe it’s because you’re not.” Peterson laying down some hard truths.
Notice how the interviewer has his own, maybe different, views on this topic but still listens to JP. Because he is well, older wiser and more educated (being a very successful phycologist and such). This is the kind of attitude we need to spread. Don't react with anger or "You are wrong cuz I don't agree!", be willing to learn and accept you MIGHT be missing some knowledge. Very pleasant to see this and I hope more people catch on to this, this is how you become more successful.
JP is the man. And if you are lower status you should definitely work on yourself. But I don’t think he has the best feel for the current dating climate with social media and dating apps.
