Joseph Smith's Polygamy | Uncovering the Toxic Aftermath for Mormons

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Ask a missionary, a bishop, an apostle for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about if the church still practices polygamy and you'll likely get a "Whoa, whoa hey now, we discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890. Since then, the church has strictly adhered to monogamy! Monogamy I tell you!" But much like a lot of aspects in Mormonism, that's not the full truth. For this deeper dive, I chat with my friend and Ex-Mormon community building icon, Chelsea Homer, about the groundbreaking book "The Ghosts of Eternal Polygamy" by faithful Mormon author Carol Lynn Pearson.
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Time codes:
00:00 Intro, polygamy is apathetic to partnership
5:50 Chelsea, post-Mo community
7:40 Elderly Charlotte's heartbreaking afterlife reunion
10:00 Melvina dying of insanity
11:20 Polygamy the costly experiment
20:15 Adoption for men, marriage for women
23:00 Grooming, gates closed, gender roles
27:30 Patriarchy sneak-a-roo
31:00 Polygamy excuses and dodges
35:00 Why it started, what are the fruits?
38:30 Chelsea's temple cracks
40:20 Not ordained of God
43:10 Elder Oaks' dodge
49:00 Why don't Mormons address this?
59:50 Women's stories silenced, SLC cemetery
1:06:30 Polygamist families secret misery
1:10:00 Not telling the real story
1:13:35 Stories of this doctrine today
1:23:20 Widows, patriarchal rights, families torn apart

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@nuancehoe Год назад

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@MH-wz1rb Год назад

I lost it when Chelsea mentioned the happy polygamous marriages were where the wives liked each other and disliked the husband. I immediately thought, "Oh, because they were likely to be actually lesbians?" and Carah had a confirmed historical case 😂

@SamlovesLulu Год назад

I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you are on your death bed. When that moment dawns, and you realize that because of the lunacy your generation imposed on itself, there are no young people to take care of you in your old age. For the next several decades, though, don't sweat it. I mean... there's no way I could be right... right?

@dawna1214 Год назад

I bet lesbian situation are more common, especially umong large numbers of wives. I wonder how they justify it 🤔

@llamamama2910 Год назад

@@SamlovesLulushe has kids. But what a selfish reason you give to have them- for your slave labor

@Oliviaandtrina 11 месяцев назад

@@SamlovesLulu dude what are you even talking about? Reading all your comments on this channel you genuinely don't seem like you're all there. None of your comments make sense. Just sounds like the rants of someone in a manic episode. If you were a Mormon then maybe I could make sense of it, but you're an atheist -so why are you so personally attacked by the implication that polygamist wives are lesbians? Are you in a polygamist marriage?

@SamlovesLulu 11 месяцев назад

@@Oliviaandtrina That concept doesn't bother me in the slightest. Isolating that fact, and celebrating it, in this context, bothers me. The issue is, or should be, polygamy. Anything that derives from that is inherently unhealthy. Using polygamy to promote lesbianism or issues of lesbianism is like using Autism to promote the trans-activist agenda. It is an utterly, contemptibly cynical, reprehensible thing to do. Here's a statement that is born of the opposite position: "Yes, it was terrible that they were all in a polygamous marriage, but at least they had each other to fondle and lick so it was all good."

@americandurak5282 Год назад

I grew up in a polygamous group in southern utah, and was baptized in the LDS church at 17. I am finally getting answers to my questions as an investigator as i deconstruct from both religions now. Thank you for your channel and mormon stories

@nothanks9503 Год назад

I blame meth

@ayatown5042 Год назад

I love this episode! When I was younger, my mother who is a convert to the LDS church, was talking about polygamy. She said that it was only for the days of the pioneers, because there weren't enough men to take care of the women and families. She said that God doesn't change. If it was true then, it must also be true now, so it must not be true. That was the moment when I stopped feeling guilty for not believing in the church. I quit the church and I never looked back

@wellIdiditagain 10 месяцев назад

This is the same sweet of lies I was told as a 12 yr old, I even then could not reconcile it in my brain. The issue is working through all of the yes of brain washing that is put on you from this religious cult. My parents joined in 1980, I was 4. At some point I'll do my own video of my journey out of this religious cult/hell.

@Moonfasination Год назад

Thanks ladies!!! As a young girl, I remember sitting in church and fretting over what this meant, that I would e expected to be a plural wife. It made me upset and I felt that this wasn’t fair. And I’m sorry but this, “have faith, God will figure it all out.” excuse is so demoralizing. I remember feeling that everything seemed more to the mens advantage. I had so many questions as a young girl and NO answers ever made me feel any better. It sounded like bull shit even then.

@rickskeptical Год назад

So on the one hand the church no longer supports polygamy......decries it. On the other hand, the church teaches it is an eternal principle.

@randyjordan5521 Год назад

Yep, Gordon B. Hinckley said that polygamy "is not doctrinal," but it is still in Section 132 of the DOCTRINE & Covenants.

@wendyellsworth8443 Год назад

It’s literally called THE PATRIARCHAL GRIP😭😭😭😭😭

@nuancehoe Год назад

VERY ACCURATE.

@chrewtransformation Год назад

Yikes 😬😳

@mtbirds1 Год назад

Can’t make this shit up!

@kevinwasserburger3119 Год назад

At its core this whole religion was founded and then maintained primarily for the sexual gratification of first its founder and subsequently the men who came to lead it after him and and so on and so on...

@louiselucilla4019 Год назад

As a single woman in the church, I was asked on many occasions to become a second wife ! Yes ..like I was desperate to get to the celestial kindom under any circumstances. !!!! I never agreed wth the idea of polygamy... I always said that I preferred to be a ministering angel. Thankfully, I no longer have to contend with any of this nonsense.

@SamlovesLulu Год назад

As a conservative atheist and an intellectual, I can't find fault with this statement. I just wish you hadn't posted it here. Nothing relevent occurs here except confirmation bias.

@marksavoia3687 Год назад

luke 20:32 kjv

@llamamama2910 Год назад

@@SamlovesLuluummm it was on topic and personal, why not share it here

@SamlovesLulu Год назад

@@llamamama2910 I find no fault with the post, darling. It's the target audience I am insulting. Pearls before swine and all.

@kellyreilly-robinson2130 Год назад

@@SamlovesLuluI find all perspectives interesting. Yes this is more of a group that is trying to understand how we, as women allowed ourselves to be so abused and blind to it. All are important. Self realization is painful and not feeling alone is necessary to heal for most humans.

@McRambleOn Год назад

Thanks for exploring this topic, esp from a woman’s POV. I want to know more abt this topic as a never Mormon. very intrigued by the different things hidden from believers, and what ppl know/don’t know when they’re IN the church and fully indoctrinated, VS what they are impacted by most when they leave the church and find out the truth abt it/it’s history.

@nadinehansen9241 Год назад

Good show. I read Carol Lynn's book when it first came out. This subject needs lots of light shined on it.

@lexand_ecarg Год назад

My sister is the only sibling (of 4) that is still a LDS member and active church goer, I know the this concept was a big one to question for my mum, my siblings and myself. The civil divorce of my mum and dad left questions around what about our family being together forever? As this was always such a fundamental teaching that stuck with me from a young age, family being sealed for eternities When my dad got re married (civil and temple) it was totally fine, no one batted an eyelid and when I questioned (being 15) was told to have faith in God and it'll all work out. When my mum was remarried (civil and temple) she had to break the previous sealing and ask permission and be allowed to do so by general authorities, which was a process and a lot of stress. Like how is that fair at all. Plus I believe my step dad is sealed to 2 other previous wives also still, it's not a topic my mum likes to entertain. And this then brought alot of questions around the families are together forever part if the previous sealing was broken. Alot of things never sat well with me and the answer of "have faith, God knows" never sat well for anything.

@unclemaui Год назад

Talking about how my wife is supposed to get assigned a new husband is what sparked a great discussion last night.

@nuancehoe Год назад

Yay!

@lutefisklimeade6278 Год назад

I'm glad someone is talking about this.

@janeagreene2849 Год назад

Loved this episode! Thank you so much!

@chuddieDs Год назад

So great to have a female led discussion on this important topic!

@Cocoon68 9 месяцев назад

I read her book last week and it was so good! The horrible things that have come due to this principle is more harmful than I ever thought would happen.. Even today where we supposedly aren’t living this! Well we are in the sense that she brings up in her book! Most of her book is actual experiences shared by others!

@randyjordan5521 Год назад

BREAKING NEWS: An old document has been discovered in the wall of an 1842 house in Nauvoo, Illinois. The paper is believed to be a song written by a teenage girl who lived in Nauvoo when LDS Church founder Joseph Smith announced his revelation on celestial marriage in 1843. The paper reads thusly: I looked out the window and what did I see, The Prophet Joseph making eyes at me. It shouldn't come as a complete surprise, The angel told him "Try HER on for size!" Now, I could take a powder and leave the scene, But he'd probably send Porter to take care of me. I guess it must be so, But I don't wanna be, The prophet's wife number thirty-three.

@llamamama2910 Год назад

Nice limerick to popcorn popping on the apricot tree

@nathanputich4878 Год назад

As always Kara, love the nose! 10/10 will always be a fan of your channel.

@eiluvart0416 Год назад

🎶my heart my hips my body my love tryna find a part of me that you didn’t touch gave up on me like i was a bad drug now i’m searching for signs in a haunted club🎶 sorry i heard death by a thousand cuts and i couldn’t resist in all seriousness this video and learning about all of this is so important, thanks for all you do carah

@amargen Год назад

Hey Carah! Love your stuff! Keep up the good work!!

@nuancehoe Год назад

🥰🤟🏻

@unclemaui Год назад

Spectacular video, as usual. Thank you!

@pdquestions7673 Год назад

Warren Jeffs & his father Rulon gave us an important real-life example / glimpse of what may have been happening with Joseph Smith. We also can't forget the example of Chad Daybell.. I have no doubt that Daybell & Jeffs believe themselves to be very close to God & that much of what they have done has been completely righteous. Righteousness is a scary state, and very few people can escape the spell it produces in supposed "holy" people.

@merricat3025 Год назад

I think Daybell and Smith both know they are liars and conning people for power, mony and women

@six1nyne Год назад

It's a horrible comparison. Where pray tell is their scripture seale in their own blood. Where is the movement thay started small then grew into a worldwide organization. It's a reach to compare the real p.i.m.p to those clowns. Jeff's says one day he is a prophet and the next he is a liar. Chad daybell is a murderer who took some Idaho potatoes for a ride. Joseph is unlike anything you or I have ever seen thays just reality. He use to say he loved to hear the wolves howl. So keep huffing and puffing and trying to blow this house in it's solid it's permanently fixed just like josephs eye was. It will just get worse as Christianity continues to fall and Joseph's church continues to grow. It's what he wrote in his little book and it's what we will all see. So yall can keep going on making a name for yourselves of the name an fame that can't be slain. He wasn't worried. The standard of truth has been erected. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished and the great Jehovah shall say the work is done. -Joseph Smith, 1842

@pdquestions7673 Год назад

@@six1nyne -- good point, so Joseph Smith was an even more dramatic example... of someone with world-class historical charisma and influence & who still really abused a lot of young women and girls. Maybe Bill Cosby is a better example?

@awalkthroughtorah6897 Год назад

The Bible says we are neither married nor given in marriage in eternity. So this whole problem would be solved if people read their Bible.

@baarbacoa Год назад

I used to laugh at Mormonism and JS's cons and lies. But then I realized that He's just assumed the role of someone like David in the Old Testament. JS just added a layer of craziness onto the craziness of the Old Testament.

@brooklynparkse Год назад

Great vid! Did I spend the whole video trying to understand the construction of your shirt? Yes. Did it distract from the message? No. Funny though.

@jamiepotts6102 Год назад

Such a good video on such an important topic

@WaffleSalad Год назад

Wow😱 I had a yw leader who talked about how if she died she told her husband to get a new wife but they could only get married for time. I never thought about why she even had that thought… My parents are divorced and my dad got remarried and I wonder if that would make them polygamists in the afterlife. Bc I am pretty sure he like broke his seal w/my mom. I wonder if that’s something they specifically asked for because the prophets and other people are sealed to both wives. But I think they didn’t unseal my mom from him when they originally got divorced, so like is she still sealed to him?? My friends mom had SUCH a hard time getting unsealed from her husband and at that time I’m pretty sure she was engaged. Such a weird double standard that men can be sealed to multiple people but not women. I was slays of the opinion that if men can be polygamists women should be able to do that too. People did not like that sentiment lmao. Omfg maybe the church is the reason I sometimes consider polyamorous relationships hahaha members would hate me saying that

@lemani2024 Год назад

My cousin was sealed to her first husband. They are now married to other people but were told when they die they will be together 😂😂

@chlyri Год назад

@@lemani2024 she'll be with him, but so will his other wife if he was married to her in the temple.

@lemani2024 Год назад

@@chlyri He was told he can't marry in the temple because he is still sealed to his first wife

@chlyri Год назад

@isabellahsub401 that doesn't make sense. they believe in spiritual polygamy and other men have done it without issue. even if she was still alive. she isn't isn't allowed to be sealed to another man if she's still sealed to her first husband, even if he's dead.

@lemani2024 Год назад

@@chlyri well that's what he was told so he couldn't get married in the temple 🤷🏽‍♀️ this is in Australia. Judging by what I've seen on RHOSLC, or by what Heather Gay has said, American LDS is way different to how we are here.

@brannonorton3470 Год назад

Carah, i really enjoy your content but i feel like this was a little too easy on JS. What he did was nothing less than coercive rape. He was the mayor, general of the militia and leader of the church and many of these girls were not even adults. They virtually couldn't say no to this man. I think we need to call a spade a spade and coercive rape is rape any way you look at it. 10 of his wives were under the age of 19. Its just all so horrific.

@jasonshults368 Год назад

No one is the villain in their own story. Carah was trying to voice how JS likely saw himself. And judging historical figures using current standards, labels, and value systems serves no interest but your own sense of superiority. It isn't real.

@brannonorton3470 Год назад

@Jason Shults I understand the point that you are trying to make. However sexual coercion very much existed in the 1800s. That is not a modern idea at all. I would also argue that just about any decent human being is superior to JS because they are not pressuring children to marry and have sex with them. There were many people in the 1800s who wanted nothing to do with this, and they were superior to JS as well. Using your position of power to obtain polygamous brides was illegal in the 1800s, just like it is now. We like to think that people were completely different 200 years ago, but that is just not the case. His behavior should be called out exactly for what it was so people in the church know what they are supporting. These girls didn't want to be with him, which is very clear from their journals.

@amberinthemist7912 Год назад

@@jasonshults368Clearly we aren't judging him by modern standards. The angry mob who killed him for this behavior seems to make it very clear this was bad behavior in his time. He was a creep even then.

@HayDances 11 месяцев назад

Among other things, the concept of eternal polygamy ended my marriage. We picked a "sister wife" (#brainwashedbisexual) but I wouldn't commit. He did. Two weeks after we finalized our divorce, he married her. I'm still "sealed" to him. He plans to be sealed to her. Someday I could be sealed to my ex-husband AND my ex-girlfriend; how heavenly! The concept of THAT PARTICULAR "heaven", also among other things, cost me my testimony. It's a whole thing, and I could speak to this issue for hours. Although I don't regret the divorce AT ALL, I still feel robbed of my capacity to think logically for literal decades. Having been raised on wild historical accounts of my ancestors' abuse - reframed as uplifting, spiritual, anecdotes - it took some serious deconstruction for me to figure out how my life had spiraled so severely. This stuff was -- and still is -- TOXIC.

@whitajeman Год назад

I'm a single never married gal. I come from divorced parents- my Dad is a re-baptised after excommunication, temple recommend holding, remarried guy. My Mom is non practicing. Our step Mom is wonderful and a part of our family who I would not want to live without in the next life. My Mom and bonus Mom respect each other and "co parent" us all so well. They share 9 adult children and 11 grandchildren together connected by my Dad. I have never been through the Temple and I am the last of my siblings to be unendowed but from what I have learned about polygamy and through my deconstruction I just cannot subscribe to the ultra conditional afterlife that Mormonism proclaims. Our earthly family is full of love and light and the God and Christ I know wouldn't have it any other way than for us all to be together without the harmful effects of Temple sealings.

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

"Dirty nasty affair" = Alger in the Hay

@slconley Год назад

Joe was a sexual predator, Fanny Alger was not an equal or old enough to make it a nasty affair.

@jamybailey Год назад

"ThAt iS tAkEn OuT oF cOnTeXt!" /s

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

@@jamybailey IT'S A DIRECT QUOTE

@jamybailey Год назад

@@krismurphy7711 /s means sarcasm....

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

@@jamybailey Thanks. Did not know that.

@gnarlee4250 11 месяцев назад

My sister in law just barely got a spiritual divorce or broke the seal from her ex husband of 15 years who is a complete asshole! She was so happy about it. Can you imagine believing that you are sealed to the person you hate the most in this life? So sad!!!

@ninaschultz6922 Год назад

Really good video, you two were awesome! Please keep talking about polygamy, the topic is super important. Anyone interested in state of contemporary Mormon polygamy; I recommend highly RU-vid channel by Sam&Melissa “Growing up in polygamy”. Sam used to be FLDS, so they talk about this group as well as others. They are collecting and offering much knowledge on polygamy, they also support organisations for ppl that want to leave such groups. Really good and factual content; they speak on everything from everyday facets of life to doctrinal questions.

@thewhitegopnic3213 Год назад

Hey I'm talking with one of my mormon friends about the golden tablets joseph found and I remember you posting a video relating specifically to that topic and am having allot of trouble finding it.

@dharmabird1 Год назад

Wow this was awesome

@wellIdiditagain 10 месяцев назад

BY had a wife who did speak out against it, i believe her last name was "Snow". She spoke it against it. She also was a famous poet.

@Warriorcats64 Год назад

I had no idea Sealings were so exclusive. I always thought and the impression laid out was that Sealings were meant to catch literally everyone back to the Kingdom of God and link everyone eventually. In which case, it wouldn't really matter if a widow remarried a widower.

@JTdancers Год назад

Hey, current widow here. The thing is, I don’t have the choice to be sealed to a widower. He could be sealed to me no problem while retaining his sealing to his late wife. But according to church doctrine as it stands, in order for me to be sealed to him I would have to cancel my sealing with my late husband. Do you see the injustice and lack of peace here for a woman in my position?

@advisorywarning Год назад

If Joseph or the Mormon church actually paid attention to the lessons in the Old Testament, they wouldve known what an absolute cluster fck polygamy creates

@jamiepotts6102 Год назад

Completely

@techwithbec Год назад

I must read this book now.

@vibratinggoddess1111 Год назад

I couldn’t get a temple divorce till I was resealed to another man! WTF

@Larissa-eo3pt Год назад

To the church, you are a commodity, not a person. All of their attempts at PR and all their benevolent sexism cannot cover up that fact, that the policies around women's temple sealings lay bare.

@Maryfs1 Год назад

Look, bread! Poor people like bread! 🤣

@BoiseTriathlete Год назад

Amazing how an immutable God changed his polygamy decree to line up with Utah getting its statehood.

@jamiepotts6102 Год назад

Every woman (and at least every bishop and up) in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should read this book, or at the least watch this video

@slconley Год назад

Did you say the Mormon church has over 4500 offshoots?

@nuancehoe Год назад

Yes.

@slconley Год назад

@@nuancehoe 😢we have way too many cults in the US.

@andreadiamond7115 Год назад

I don’t understand why people just accept that there is an afterlife, much less over 2,000 “gods”.

@Larissa-eo3pt Год назад

It's easier for some than reckoning with the implications of reality.

@alisonyahna8041 Год назад

I just can’t imagine someone making the decision at the age of 19 or 23 to seal their soul to another person for eternity… Eternity. (You have your OWN soul journey)When you have maybe three or four years of young adulthood under your belt if that? How many decisions can you make at that age that are appropriate for the entirety of even one lifetime? I’m curious to see account of near death experiences by Mormon people and if their experience with the Divine without all the trappings of patriarchy are freed from this painful dogma.

@ranDrandal Год назад

Yes! I didn't know💩💩💩 art that age. Let alone making an eternal decision!

@davidchess1985 Год назад

Wait, Mormons don't get to be gods anymore? Talk about watering down the incentives! :D

@raymondraino Год назад

Time to design a joseph smith themed magic the gathering deck. Replace land with women and his powers do nothing really. Playing with this deck will get you killed. Blondes offer white mana, redheads red mana and brunette black mana. Call the wives out by name as you tap them.

@ranDrandal Год назад

As I understand it, polygamy is an eternal doctrine. If you want to be in the highest kingdom, you will be one of many wives! All those celestial bodies 😜Enjoy😮

@davidjaikaran4132 Год назад

I recently came across your work. Have you ever done any research on Joseph Smith Masonic affiliation. Also there is a lot of similarities between the way Profit Mohammed set in verses in the Koran and Hadith, to legitimize his practice of polygamy. The Koran part, I would advise not to discuss openly but I think a show on him being a freemason might be good.

@hittsrus5185 5 месяцев назад

1:09:24 😭😭😭

@paulgallagher5889 11 месяцев назад

Ya see, Mac, we start a religion, convince our followers I'm a GOLDEN GOD, and move everyone to the middle of nowhere. Once there, we can get women to do whatever we want and they'll do it.... because of the implications. ~ Joseph "Dennis" Smith

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

Joseph Smith had a too active imagination....ALWAYS thinking and pondering....(Like Nelson and his Legal Pads). Smith simply had little control acting on his thoughts....Modern Leaders learned to keep their mouths shut, NOT speaking out on every thought or answering EVERY question put to them.

@jamybailey Год назад

Yeah, now we just have leaders who say "We affirm our commitment to comply with the law, regret mistakes made, and now consider this matter closed" 🤮

@krismurphy7711 Год назад

@@jamybailey Not what I was talking about...but in the ballpark

@Moksha-Raver Год назад

Being sealed on a haystack with the barnyard sounds and smells is a very apologetic affair.

@julianarodriguex899 Год назад

FFRF the freedom from religion foundation

@HiggsBosom Год назад

I seem to have a Revelation. I dreamt a dream, I cooked a cooking. I bet a bet, I drew A drawing. and behold, My mind was taken up into the midst. Lo and behold my mind was opened. Me first perceived an Angel, but I looked & beheld it was the spirit of Prince bringing a revolution. Zombie eyed Wives unto Purple Rain. Vanity 6 too.

@sarawillett7431 Год назад

None of this is real though, so they don’t have to share their husband or kids in the afterlife. I understand that they might think it is & believing something can impact one’s life.

@Larissa-eo3pt Год назад

LDS leaders know this, I am 99% certain. They are all of the age that they grew up being taught that the Prophet and apostles speak to god face to face in the temple. There's no way, once they arrived in their positions of leadership and went on for a few years without ever speaking to god (much less receiving any revelation that differs in any way from what they "received" throughout their time as a lay member without all those Priesthood keys) that they thought they were still 100% still god's messengers for the whole earth. Knowing that, that they are lying through their teeth at every turn. They know it's all a big lie. There's only one way to interpret their insistence (and enthusiasm) for perpetuating all of the misogyny within the culture and doctrine. The cruelty is the point. They want women to be in pain, to be conflicted, and for them all to aspire to complete self-abandonment, obedience, and submission.

@alboxx600 Год назад

Mormon leaders check under their beds for Chris Hansen before they sleep.

@HiggsBosom Год назад

Speaking of scared. Stop your inability to face criticism. I'm here. Lets talk.

@CarbonatedBorger 11 месяцев назад

Basic math makes me worry. Are there way less men going to the celestial kingdom? 50 guys and 50 gals is one wife for each. If each man gets 3 wives that is very disproportionate.

@hoof__hearted Год назад

There must be a severe shortage of men in the afterlife if all the women need to share one. What's up with that ? If it's an eternal principle and everyone must do it to progress in the eternities, the heavenly mothers are not spitting out an equal amount of boys, or the males are dying off for some reason.. Such a stupid doctrine....

@chlyri Год назад

it has nothing to do with a shortage of men- though they may argue there was a shortage of righteous men- it's just about making sure men are allowed ti have holy sanctioned variety.

@mr_ekshun Год назад

Holy sanctioned variety... Holy fuck that's messed up

@hoof__hearted Год назад

@@chlyri I've heard similar during my indoctrination....in the pre-existence, none of the women followed Lucifer (not "the blacks" of course, apparently they were lazy and/or indecisive about the plan of happiness..). So the 1/3 were all men, hence the lack of men. But does this pattern happen on each new planet that is being created by a mormon god forevermore...? Men can't accept plans of happiness?? 👿. I'm starting to think this mormon stuff is kinda f'd up...🤣

@peterprentice9179 Год назад

why is that a lot of religions undermine women so much?????

@DJStebbs Год назад

You know what is kind of funny the LDS is super Anti LGBT but being Gay in a Polygamy relationships would be a bonus and you would be missing out on a lot by not being, right? It seems the to me that if you want polygamy where one guy has lots of wives that the church should be promoting at very lest BiSexuality to the women of there church.

@mr_ekshun Год назад

Assuming the only goal of a person's relationships is indiscriminate sex, yes... I suppose so. But I hope you understand that most people, regardless of orientation, seek more than sexual gratification in their relationships. Even if you only meant romantic fulfillment, not sexual, the same still applies: more does not equal better.

@Larissa-eo3pt Год назад

You bring up a relevant point that isn't discussed often enough IMO. The church will never (and can never) allow same-sex marriage within temples because of the misogyny that is baked very deeply into the doctrine. The temple sealings only "work" if one participant has the priesthood. Only males can hold the priesthood. For two males who get married, that's all well and good. But two women? They cannot be sealed at all, per mormon doctrine. Also per the temple endowment, a priesthood holder has to "call" his spouse forward during the resurrection. Two women could not be resurrected at all. If the policy ever changed (it won't, for this exact reason) it would lay the church's deep seated misogyny bare for all to see. Women are second-class citizens in the church. Devoid of value as anything more than servants unless they are sealed to a man.

@amberinthemist7912 Год назад

@mr_ekshun Do you really believe one man with his attention divided between 4 wives could fulfill the romantic needs of any one wife better than him and 3 wives all working together to fulfill a wife's needs? Why would the sex between wives be considered indiscriminate but all of the sex the man in having with all his wives is not indiscriminate? Is is only women who become loose if they have more than one sexual partner but men are immune? Even if the man exhaustes himself daily sleeping with all his wives? Does he ever reach the point of indiscriminate sex?

@Lookatmedonnad Год назад

If you put a black Tshirt that just has NuanceHoe in white. I will buy that today!. maybe some for my friends. I am in Memphis we have a lot of Nuancehoes.

@Lookatmedonnad Год назад

i am a moderator for #difficultresearch. I want to feature some clips from this video and give you credit. Kresha Kay Easton has a Morman story. Kresha's Morman Story began the day her mother, Kay Woodcock, had just left her home with her daughter and came flying back in the driveway to tell her that her uncle Charles Vallow had been killed/murdered in his home by Kresha's aunt Lori Vallow and her brother Alex Cox. We are trying to understand, in the meantime have made a long list of questions. IMO. don't hate me but exmormans tend to not take serious any comments or attempts to understand and have dialog about morman doctrine by "never been a mormans". I have studing and listening to more boring byu talks that any mortal should have to endure. Kresha and several of her followers have been digging deep both with the help and non help of the ex morman community. We got some questions. It no accident that Nate or Justin Lum or Lauren or John Delin have never tried to interview Kresha a close family member to the murder spree. Cause we got some questions about this morman story. This video explains alot, as we believe this was part of Lori's motive. We could use your help with explaining and understanding the details and nuance

Joseph Smith's Polygamy | Uncovering the Toxic Aftermath for Mormons

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