Josh Pate On FSU Possibly Leaving The ACC (Late Kick Cut) 

When you only have 55 players available. Can't fault all the players opting out when most came back from last year when they could've gone pro

@@brett8078 when you have poor leadership this is what happens

@@brett8078 This happens every year. Players have opted out of bowl games for every big time program, but no one has lost 63 - 3. Until yesterday.

It's been a couple decades since I had anything to do with the contract law but it seems to me that FSU's only real legal arguments are over its contract with the ACC to allow the ACC to negotiate media contracts for it. As I understand the situation (and I could be wrong), FSU itself is not a party to the actual media rights deal, which was between the media and the ACC as an entity, so that contract is _res inter alios acta_ for FSU. IOW, FSU can't complain about the media deal itself because that was a deal done between others. However, FSU CAN complain (whether successfully or not remains to be seen) about the ACC's handling of that deal because FSU is in a contract with the ACC. FSU could argue that this contract created fiduciary duties for the ACC towards its member schools and that the ACC breached these duties by signing a bad deal. The problem for FSU here is that the deal only looks bad now, in hindsight, and I'm sure the ACC asked all the schools if they were cool with this deal before the ACC signed it. How did FSU vote on this? I don't know but, if they voted for it, that pretty much scuppers this argument. If FSU voted against but was out-voted, then FSU maybe has a case. BUT, the same could be said of EVERY ACC school and I don't see any of the rest trying to make the same case, even though they're all in the same boat with FSU. So, FSU's case here seems pretty weak all around. The only other fairly obvious avenue I see open to FSU is more in equity than law by claiming that both contracts here (even though the key one is _res inter alios acta_ ) are, or at least have become, unenforceable due to now being unconscionable. Meaning FSU would suffer irreparable harm from having to abide by their terms. The problem here is that FSU as an institution is not going to cease to exist, it will just no longer be a high-power sports school. But we often forget that the REAL purposes of colleges is to train the future leaders of our national economy, who actually help us maintain our place at the top of the global economic, technological, and military food chain. College sports, however passionate we might get about them, are simply lagniappe entertainment and totally subsidiary (no matter how much income they bring in for the schools) to the actual purpose of the schools. There are plenty of excellent academic schools that suck at sports (except maybe low-budget basketball) because they have their priorities right. If FSU becomes one of those, then so be it. They signed the deal. Thus, I don't think FSU has much of a case here, either. Thus, legally, perhaps the only thing FSU can do is argue that some technicality in the specific language of their contract with the ACC makes it unenforceable or some such. Not having the text of the contracts, I can't say if this is possible. It probably isn't given that high-dollar lawyers from all parties hashed it out. So, at the end of the day, I agree with you that FSU will probably need to sell its soul to whatever entity agrees to cover FSU's exit penalties because I don't see FSU prevailing in court on this. This will present FSU with a choice similar to when Frodo offered Galadriel the One Ring. Retain, even gain, power but be cursed, or diminish and fade away in the sports arena while still being a good SCHOOL.

Read the description, he knows what he is doing

my thoughts exactly

Duh, he wants views

Georgia got charged with assault and battery

They ran out their backups and scout team so they could collect their check and stick it to the ESPN ratings. Have fun with your narrative, keep crying with the ESPN announcers about how Florida State ruined your game. Payback sucks don't it.

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Go Dawgs!!!

Worst loss in BOWL history..... holy shit

Makes sense when most the team opts out in protest. Don’t owe CFP anything

They could meet up with Billy Napier when he gets fired.😂😂😂

Gators in the sec fsu is not trying to make a case why they should by losing by 60 made history😂😂

Fingers crossed

we can only hope

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FSU don't even see they ruined all their arguments they have against the ACC in that lawsuit. The ACC can basically say that FSU representation at the orange 🍊 bowl 🏟️ and the slander fsu been doing to the ACC has brought down the value of the conference as a whole. FSU don't see how much damage they done to their football program

If they brought the value down the exit fee should be lower. They boycotted plain and simple. CFP told them 13-0 didn’t matter so why would one more game matter?! Not like they could play for a championship anymore and opinions on 14-0 wouldn’t have mattered either.

Yes! For free. Just pick up bags and go today

Lol please do it then when we leave that garbage conference and get properly compensated for TV deals we can actually prevent bum programs from offering the bag to our recruits on NSD

@@morganwartman8507You can’t even pay your NIL deals that were promised to your players. Ask Verse if he got paid? Mikey making promises that he can’t keep. All your talent is gone and just left with lies from Norvell.

@@palmbeachcane9523 FSU bowl game are results you get when you hire mercenary football players, and by seasons end, can’t foot the financial bill.

@@ronelite582 18 of 22 starters from the portal. Enough said.

Savage! 😂😂😂😂😂

They tanked the ratings on purpose

Wimps

The acc embarrassed FSU

Yes! Yes! Yes! Horribly embarrassing. The ACC’s reputation was besmirched. They are livid with rage. As I see it, the only thing for FSU to do is humbly apologize and turn in their locker key in the ACC clubhouse and leave by the service entrance. And take that $78m a year contribution to the conference coffers with them. The ACC doesn’t need their grubby money, they can cover it by raising ticket prices to the ACC polo games. Good riddance. I see that we are in complete agreement.

Your profile pic embarrasses you 🤣😂🤣😂

Still gave up less points, with a decimated team, to UGA, than Clemson did at full strength, to WVU. Maybe the ACC should let both FSU and Clemson leave.

Meh. Everyone knows it wasn't a real game.

Right. ACC is a dead conference walking and teams know this

@@brianpunter8471 I mean if we're being honest with ourselves, so is any conference sans BIG 10 or SEC. We've been headed for the AFC-NFC verison of CFB for years now. Once the Texas-OU domino fell a few years ago, so began the process of the power 2 conferences adding teams left and right, for better or worse (worse imo).

Yeah but they beat 9-3 LSU 😂😂😂😂

@@palmbeachcane9523 Ooo they beat the 4th or 5th best team in the conference! Riveting!!! 😱😱😱

@@CoolHandLuke813 Now they know what a real program looks like

And the clowns that wanted FSU in, lol - 60 point loss. The ACC should kick em out. What a joke. FSU needs to play Divison 3 ball.

@@chrispowell4251 I support everything you just said lol.

When Bowden was coaching in the 90s they were already playing 5-6 ranked teams per year, with 2-3 in the Top 10. Miami and UF were constants.

@@buff21cc check Bobby’s comments as to why he declined the SEC invitation!

Yet from joining the ACC in 1992 through the end of the decade FSU played more ranked opponents (46) and held a better record than the next best team (UF) in the country during that same span. UF played 45 ranked opponents. FSU's was the most winningest team over a decade until Alabama recently overcame the record (they played more games, less ranked teams, and won the difference). So state your SEC narrative however you want but it doesn't take away from the fact that FSU still played a tougher schedule than the SEC and still knocked off their top team year after year during the Bowden Era.

They were never offered. It was discussed...and it's possible that they may have been offered if they would have been willing to accept it, but UF had vowed to block it and it was definitely not a given that they could have joined. The ACC paid better at the time. AND the SEC wasn't very good. It was UF and Tennessee and a whole lot of bad football teams who just rotated on and off probation because they refused to follow the rules. It wasn't until Saban came along...at LSU, then Bama...that the SEC turned into the powerhouse that it is.

@@FritzTheCat_1030 you tube Bobby about joining the SEC! SEC won 3 Natys in the 90s, 3 different teams, before Saban came to lsu. You don’t read much?

Don't worry we don't want them

Absolutely not. I don't want a program that encourages quitters like FSU does. They can go to the Sunbelt, or whatever the fuck. They'll go 13-0 there, get left out, and cry more. Or they'll get in at 12th and lose their first playoff game. Bobby Bowden is rolling in his grave.

@@Braisedin the million dollar question ( no pun) is does the SEC wants FSU? 🤔

That’s why Coach Bowden kept them away from the SEC the last time the Noles had a chance to join the SEC… RTR

We own the SEC😂

@@joeberger601563-3 sure you own it😂😂😂

4-0 against that bum conference last 2 years in games that actually mattered, cope more

ACC's "best" vs SEC *EAST'S* best ended in a 63-3, buddy. You fucking losers didn't even deserve 5th.

lol its hilarious. i see a dif number every comment. 21 opt outs, 42 opt outs, 35 opt outs…. love to see fsu get absolutely donkey d*cked

Georgias 3rd stringers beat them 21-0 in second half kirby could have had the game 90-0 easy

Yes they do. There is no future for any program where anyone on a staff or on the roster that shows any potential gets poached by a mid or low tier SEC program because they can offer 2x or 3x what FSU could offer. There is no future if not in one of the big two.

@@css31069 they had their chance. Now suffer the consequences.

@MrMcgooOG yeah, absolutely. I'll pass the word along to the administrators, lawyers and board of trustees members who get paid a lot of money to do what is best for the school. I'm sure they'll be glad you had that amazing suggestion.

@@css31069fsu leadership had a lack of foresight.. tell em that too

@@css31069 sec don't want yall. Academic standards aren't high enough for big 10. Good luck in the big 12!

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They did it to tank ratings. As a big fuck you to ESPN and the CFP committee

When you deal with a school full of money grubbing coward sellouts they wasn't going to pass up the money showing their whole whinny "we got left out we're protesting" argument is 🐕💩 Because they're not going to give the money back

They won the national championship a few weeks ago lol

The only thing they won was a healthy dose of clowning.

But women play soccer

As a Bama fan, Clemson and FSU need to get out of the ACC to continue competing for championships. Th SEC, BIG 10, and to a lesser extent the BIG 12 are the future conferences of CFB. Going undefeated and not making the playoffs is sad but the reality of the sport and the right decision. The players did all they could to make it but the administrators need to put them in a competing conference.

Florida? They were not bowl eligible.

Obviously they meant Florida State. RTR

Not even the same team that played the regular season.

@@skipgumphrey9579 which just shows that the poster does not have a clue.

​@@AnthonyLopez-ph5ygfsu couldn't contain georgia 3rd string, 21-0

If UGA couldn't have done what FSU does to their backups and scout team everyday in practice then they shouldn't have been in the Orange Bowl to begin with. What FSU did, they showed up, collected their paycheck, and got live reps for their backups and scout team. FSU also stuck it to the ESPN ratings because you know that people didn't tune into the game because they knew what was going to happen and several other people tuned out because of what happened. I called it weeks ago that most FSU starters would opt out and the game would be a blowout.

You don't even believe that bullshit you wrote. "We should be champs if we end up the only unbeaten team!" From delusional champs to chumps, in three hours. Well done.

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​@@buff21cc FSU was an utter embarrassment to themselves and the university!!

@@buff21cc your the same type of fella who believes I the Ukranian war.

Why?

SEC says that they won't take FSU but I guarantee you the moment they see B1G try to get them they will pick them up for the sole purpose of keeping them away from B1G.

No, hopefully, the Big 10 will take them. Why shouldn't they make the money they deserve when every brand has moved to do the same?

The SEC did? You got a call from Greg Sankey? You and he went to high school together, did you? Does he call you often?

Greg Sankey better tell them the SEC doesn't want whiney babies.

Cool.

Homecoming opponent for the SEC? If FSU is so easy to play against, why didn’t Florida and LSU win? 🤔🤔🤔

I don’t know. Why don’t you ask LSU and Florida? And I just love it when people like you never mention their school. Don’t blame them. They probably have a very good reason. LOL

@@505premoto that wasn’t the burn you thought it was. If FSU is so bad and the SEC teams could treat fsu like a homecoming opponent, why did Florida and LSU lose to them. They’re apart of the same conference as Georgia.

​​@@caseymiller5257 listen to what you saying yall happy about beating the gators that's in rebuild mode with a 5-7 record that didn't make a bowl game this year and fsu 13-0 and play another play-off team and lose by 60 why yall couldn't beat Georgia the same way Georgia players still played and took it serious while fsu scared and opting out 😂

@@christopherrj3pp I’m not happy because I know they’re. Im making a point with sectards saying how FSU is a homecoming team for the SEC even though they’ve beaten multiple SEC teams this year and last year. It’s a stupid statement they made I’m proving wrong. Read.

The point Josh was making is that it would be better to be at the bottom of a conference with a future then to sit at the top of a sinking ship.

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As a buckeye I feel bad, first game third string freshman QB and our MVP WR opted out for the draft

No. You know FSU played mostly 3rd stringers right?

​@@richfitz3821That's exactly why they didn't get in. The defensive opt outs weren't going to help that offense

@@richfitz3821 oh yes well aware. But if they wanted to send a message, then no excuses. Stand behind the talk. Brock Bowers didn’t play. And by the second half, Georgia had second and third string in too. If you’re going to whine and complain then prove your point.

But lost to Georgia though​@@richfitz3821

@@richfitz3821the amount of times i have heard this excuse is hilarious. fsu is trash.

Simple, to the point, and ACCURATE ! RTR

Meh Ohio State managed a measly 3 points against Missouri and Michigan is about to get massacred by Alabama. Penn State got beat up by Ole Miss. Maybe FSU does belong in the B1G hahah😅😅😅

They were never gonna beat Georgia but they had a shot at mich, Texas, and Washington. Not a FSU fan but they deserved a playoff shot

@@bryanneal939 FSU at full strength wouldn’t have beaten Texas or Washington, maybe Michigan perhaps. They are a 2nd tier program, deep down a few of their fans are smart enough to accept this fact; therefore they’ll beg the big ten for membership, even accept a decade long paycut like Oregon and Washington have done.

You must not have watched FSU play without a single starting player they had throughout their 13-0 run this season. Not one of those players would have opted out if afforded the ooportunity to play for a ring. Not to mention, Texas lost to OU, what is their record again? What a braindead take.

@@ronelite582 I am a buckeye and stand by my comment. FSU might have lost to any of the 3, they might have beat 1. The playoff committee never gave them a shot

@@ronelite582 FSU a second tier program? Oh, really? What is FSU’s record over the past twenty years? Number of top 5 finishes, number of top 10 finishes? Weeks ranked in the top 10? Now do a comparison with all of the other teams in the SEC. Get back to us with your results. FSU would, at worst, be #3 in the SEC, which, apparently, according to you, are all second tier teams.

I see what you did there.

fsu is a trash program

clemson is solid though. fsu cant even score a td in their bowl game

Clemson never had more TV viewers than FSU.

Lol you’ll be glad to see us go because we will dog walk you bums for the foreseeable future 😂 have fun playing Miami, Virginia, and Georgia Tech and getting left out of the CFP because your already trash conference got worse

“Take your crappy team with you” lmao someone is saltyyy FSU dog walked you bums in your stadium 😂😂😂

@@morganwartman8507not as bad as fsu just got DAWG walked!

@@LilBoiPeep69 yeah our second and third stringers got dog walked by UGA’s starters in a meaningless exhibition game, congratulations, I guess

and where do teams like louisville and georgia tech and n c state would go? they would have a better chance of making a 12 team playoff from the acc than finishing 5th 6th 0r 7th 9n the sec or big ten

SEC cried and took the offer away when they looked at all of their options.

@@caseymiller5257good. sec is better without fsu. i mean 63-3? embarrassing

Of course not. That's why it's so damning that they quit for this game. Winners don't do that. Winners keep going. FSU aren't winners regardless of what their record might be.

Really? They sure didn’t have any problem hanging with LSU and Florida. Or are there two SECs?

who wants a fsu team that gets shit on by 60 ?

Where yall going big 12? Too stupid to play in the big 10 academic standard is too high for you dummies.

@@LilBoiPeep69Probably the same people that want other football powerhouses like 2-10 Vanderbilt, 4-8 Arkansas, and Miss State…

@@John_Hoover them teams grandfathered in…. fsu could have been Had it not been for their poor leadership in the 1990s

@@John_Hoover those teams are much better than Florida State at least to make twice as much money which makes them better. Florida State is a garbage program.

They did fight! They just aren’t as good as people were trying to paint them as. Even if they’d had all of their starters in they still would have gotten smoked.

@@malcolmjones27Naaaaaa

@@malcolmjones27Having veteran starters in is a massive difference than having freshman guys in

@@jayy-_-2262 , try telling Kirby Smart and Georgia that. Apparently it didn’t bother them none. you do know that after the halftime they were beating Florida State so bad that they put their second and third stringers

@@jayy-_-2262 it says a lot about a program when all your starters decide to quit on the team and not finish the season they started together . I give all the respect to Georgia for their players stepping up and actually playing

63-3. Fsu is dead

@@murph1329 13-1 is far from dead. They played with 3rd string true freshmen. It’s sad that UGA was left out of the playoffs. They had a chance at history, but they blew it against Bama.

And FSU blew their chance to prove they belonged​@@RoscoPColtrane17

be lucky to finish the season #13

What does that have to do with FSU'S need to get out of the ACC?

@@lorenzohaynes3886 fsu greedy! garbage program. poor leadership. 63-3 whooping in a top bowl vs #5 georgia. awful state of affairs for fsu

A person with 2 eyes and a brain 🙏🏽

Miami was never scared of anybody and went and played everybody you goofy!! Take that non sense somewhere else. You know damn well what u said was bs!! Won 5 national championships in 18 years beating up on everybody

To be fair, Miami had a decent reason to be scared of the SEC in 1992. I mean their Heisman winning QB is probably STILL having nightmares about how many times the Tide secondary picked him off lol 😂 RTR

@@skipgumphrey9579 alright bro 😂😂 you got us that year

Hell as a cane fan. I just threw another interception from that game.