The problem is the common Joe Indian male would not understand the nuances but would start imitating him because of all the celebrity worship that exists here. Now don't tell me the public here does not try to act like actors they see in movies.
@@ananya1721 See, I understand where you're coming from and I definitely agree that misogyny has become a part of the "Bollywood culture".. But, I see movies as an artform and I don't think this movie was trying to promote misogyny or abusive behaviour. Yes, people here do idolize movie characters without completely understanding their "flaws", but labelling the MOVIE as 'misogynistic' is not gonna change anything.. Rather, people have to be made to understand why Kabir is wrong and then they can appreciate the movie for what it is.. :)
@@kaye_07 To quote you, 'Yes, people here do idolize movie characters without completely understanding their "flaws" ', therein lies the fulcrum of this problem.
Ash Bajaj what he is trying to say that indian movies target emotions of.people more than Hollywood movies do which mostly follow the plot and ofcourse there of emotion but most pf their movies don't target that feeling. That doesn't mean all of the movies pf Hollywood don't have emotions in them.
amir so Bro if Tamasha and Rockstar movies are bullshit then recent Bollywood never made good movies after 3 idiots actually these two movies made before it's time, actually for Indian ordinance that might be 10-15 years Later people can have the maturity to understand this kind of classics like "Mera Naam Joker" it was performed worse when it released but later people appreciated when Indian society got matured....and no offense the craps and actual bullshit is "Raamleela" like movies
Its not about Shahid Kapoor being Hindi Cinema's lovable, romantic guy that made people think of the glorifying factor. The film is portrayed as a romance film. But we have not had many "romantic characters" hitting their women. They would kill others or die for them but never raise a hand on their love interest. Nawaz's story in Sacred Games was not of his romance but of his rise as a mafia. And we could understand why someone like him was so violent and misogynitic. He was not supposed to be good. I don't think the film glorifyed the character but I can understand why people thought so.
@@Ayuuverse pls watch Thappad,one slap is a big deal and it is disgusting,even she hit him which was wrong,she should have walked away or said no but I have a feeling he would have killed her,he was dominating and treated her like property
The film did glorify the character because he got everything he wants and people love this type of love but more so the director glorified his character saying slapping was a expression of love and that they had a strong love for each other when they did not
Like you guys said, this is a story, a common story and it happens in real life all the time.Korbin is completely right about the audience wanting Shahid to do only a certain type of roles because of an image the rest of his movies have made for him while failing to understand he is an actor and not the person you see on screen.
Just to clarify, this movie has set off some real triggers for Indian women because there is a long tradition of misogynistic and abusive men being portrayed as the tragic heroes, perpetuating a culture of abuse and stalking sold as romance. I don't know a single Indian woman who didn't cringe and feel threatened by the movie-going men in India who literally have been cheering the moment he hits her. So it isn't a matter of not using our poor little female brains, it's a matter of cultural context where this movie is being lauded, in a culture where movie heroes and their behavior become templates for men's behavior for decades. I love you guys, but just saying why this has triggered Indian women, especially in the current political climate, where they already don't feel safe. Films don't exist in a vacuum, especially in India. They have very real and direct consequences, especially when the "flawed" characters are the titular protagonist.
Biggest opening for kabir singh around 22cr. Non holiday release, no ticket rate hike, A rated movie, worldcup fever, 3hr runtime. Such an amazing feat by shahid kapoor and sandeep vanga 😎
Shahrukh Khan once said in a movie "If the ending isn't happy, the film isn't over yet" Most Indian audiences come for entertainment more than to experience art so they prefer ending to be happy. That's why most bollywood movies have happy ending. That's what I think though. Hence the happy ending lol.
I sobbed throughout the second half a like a baby, and when his grandmother died, and he just realised it was up to him to get his father up again.. I just don't like that most guys actually are this way with anger issues and get away with it.. but I can understand how much he was in pain, and when he decided to change, the emotions he must be going through.... It's a great movie.
Notebook sucks! It was the fav movie of my ex. I only watched it for her even though I wanted to sleep so bad. I went through hardship watching that movie fighting my boredom. The movie gave me a headache. Then the next day I told her I hated that movie.
You suggest that the audience should view such portrayals 'intelligently' and not see them as glorification of an anti-hero. But there are many men who indulge in such behaviour and even believe that women like it. That is why you will find spectators of this film cheering and rooting for the 'deeply flawed' actions of the main character. They will only see it as an affirmation of their own behaviour while ignoring the turnaround at the end. What do you have to say about that reaction? For your information, this type of misogynist behaviour is regularly shown in Tamil and Telugu films by the main protagonists, and they are by no means considered to be anti-heroes by a considerable section of the audience.
Usually I love happy endings, things tied up neatly by the end, everyone coming around, that sort of thing. I usually agree with Rick. But for this specific movie, the ending was very different from the rest of the film. Everything in the movie was portrayed realistically, there was no sudden change in Kabir's character, even though it felt like there should've been on multiple occasions. The director didn't just give the audience what they wanted at all. But in the end, things just wrapped up perfectly, too perfectly. I agree that not all relationships are perfect, and the movie made a point about that. It was a flawed relationship with flawed characters, but the end was too perfect, too happy.
We loved Shahid in Haider and udta Punjab, but in India men throw acid and murder women who say no. Here he kidnaps, abuses his place of power and he's a hero.
@@Someone-hl5gr exactly thank you!!! And these guys think these stories weren't told? Heck most of the 90s were filled with stories of jilted lovers and toxic men who got off easy. What about the women. The problem isn't Shahid or his acting. It's the director and the script who think these stories need to have sympathy from the already toxic masculine public who just want to be able to get away with doing horrible things cause they are "misunderstood" sob sob. Sick of this
How can you forget that scene when PRITI SAYS THAT GRANY (OLD LADY) WAS THERE ALWAYS AND THE WAY KABIR THANKS WAS SOO GOOD. that shows Kabir is good by heart
Lol the epic Korbin intro. Also Korbin I'll fight you for him without the beard, but I also fell in love with Shahid back in 2002 when he didn't have a beard so that might be a major reason lol
I very much agree with this review!! As to the ending I really liked that he gets back with her but just like Korbin said the easy rehabilitation of her family especially her dad pissed me off. I'm glad you are pointing it out. I find it incredibly ironic that all the people who complain the film is misogynistic never bring up the misogyny of the dad... It's all just Kabir and I think it is partly because of Shahid's image, as you said! Also no one had a problem with Arjun Reddy and it's the same story, but the actor was a newcomer...
One of the other reasons fr the movie getting this much backlash was a newbie director from South coming to Bwood & his movie getting this much love from the audience....it seems far-fetched, but Bwood politics is much uglier than people think of it to be People at top can tolerate a newcomer getting critical appreciation fr his work, but they can't tolerate his movie earning big numbers
@@anantsharma6365 no the real reason for all the hate is becoz hindi films critics are all librandus and far left. They glorify films depicting army negatively but hate patriotic films.
I... hate that my internet friends have made me care about this movie so much... the extent of my interaction was gonna be just the OSR videos about it. The major concern for the internet activists (which I am a part of) was actually the reception of Arjun Reddy... apparently people actually wanted a boyfriend like the lead character after watching the movie... and shahid is a beautiful and popular man, so yeah 🤷♀️ you're right Korbin, no movie would be problematic if people just used their minds, but they apparently don't and that's why that's a problem.
Myra Rolston It’s not a problem you’re looking at a verbal minority of 2-5% who are getting influenced by the wrong stuff in the movie,this is not the first time this has happened in India or anywhere in the world people always say this movie that movie is gonna ruin entire youth but it never does.
mnikhk you are wrong .. A lot of Indian population actually inflicts and suffers from misogyny. This just revalidates their mindset because they lack the intellectual capability to understand that this character in the movie is not a “hero” . Problem is with the mindset not with this movie
It's kinda different scenario here... When a lead character is shown to have some flaw (in this case misogyny n womanizer) ppl don't see it as a flaw... When I watched the intro scene in theatres ppl were cheering!!! It's not like in-ur-face glorification but yeah... Ppl quite don't get it!
Yet we see Kabir singh getting destroyed every moment... And drowning in pain. Maybe if he didnt have such a horrible charcater... He would havent suffered so much. I hope you get what i mean? Maybe we could take this as a learning lesson. Maybe i would have also cheered.... Not because i encourage Kabir singh's character.... But because i am super interested to see the character development and how a drunk mysognist leads to self destruction. I dont know if you understand what i am saying? Because of having such a horrible character, Kabir singh is never happy and his own personality is destroying him. So i don't understand why people think its glorifying toxic masculinism or anything.
@Dishant a flawed character isn't the problem. It's the way the flawed character is being worshipped as "being cool" n stuff... I'm medical student n ik the movie has exaggerated this but finally the viewers must be able to get what's right n what's not! Esp the movies down in the south have the same vibes so here ppl worship n cheer for them!
True!! Fkn ppl cheered! See maybe American audience are all like we understand this is a bad character but not here!! Here people do take inspiration from movies!! Many took from Arjun Reddy too!! Come to cinema halls here and you will see how people cheered on the scenes on which you guys were shocked!
@@saavygupta4342 yep totally agree with you, audience or atleast quite a few young guys here r not ready for artistic expression without an in ur face morality lesson
Director of Kabir Singh (Arjun Reddy) Sandeep Reddy Vanga made a comment, “When you are deeply in love and deeply connected with a woman, and vice versa, there’s a lot of honesty in it. If you don’t have that physical demonstration… you don’t have the liberty of slapping each other, then I don’t see anything there.” This was the major reason for people protesting against this film. Literally it was Stockholm syndrome for the woman and you will understand why if you see a lot of mass hero movies in Indian movies.. Stalking is glorified, possessing women like an object is glorified, to a certain extent when a woman when shown as arrogant and gets slapped by the male protagonist is glorified.. I think if you understand the climax you will see the director's point of view which is very much in support of violence between genders .. a slap be it between anyone is just a means of saying I have more control and ego over you.. That is why the movie Thappad is the perfect answer to this movie!!!
A little perspective. This character was literally the hero in the 90% of Indian films for the longest time. People associate this character with what an idea Indian man is supposed to be. This character is celebrated by young men. That is the problem. Korbin said multiple times “If you use your brain” That happens when you live in a society that does not moralize and celebrate misogyny. India is literally one of the worst countries in the world for women. This is a crisis in India. This character will not be looked at like other bad characters are looked at.
Yep. Making a bad character the focus of a movie is not the problem. It’s the “glorifying” of his character and behavior using music to generate excitement or hype for violence instead of music that tries to show the audience the real fear and negatives of violence, etc.
Perfect review. No real life love story is perfect. No person is perfect. No lover is perfect. It is imperfection that help 2 individual fix perfectly together. I saw both AR and KS found both good 👍🏻
Bollywood and other regional indian cinema has a history of showing stalking, harrasing, molesting, violence etc as signs of true love and the female lead eventually realizing that the male lead does all that because he truly loves her and falls for him. This representation over decades has helped in raising a generation of quintessential bad boys who think the only way to win a girl's heart is by being intrusive, rude and even violent to them. From that particular point of view, another anti hero getting his girl in spite of being abusive (no matter how much and for how long) is bound to make those people unhappy who have been clamoring for a change for long. Yeah people should apply their own minds but a lot people watching movies are too young and impressionable to filter out the bad from the good.
Agreed!!! There are way too many impressionable young Indian men who watch movies like this and will see it as the right way to behave, will see Kabir Singh as the hero, and do as he does. And by the way, @Rick, regarding your comment that you'd see Kabir as toxic if he slapped Preeti twice... slapping a woman once is bad enough. We don't have to wait until a guy slaps a woman twice to realise he's despicable.
When Rick said that I was like DONT END THE MOVIE! YOU CANNOT END THE MOVIE WITH PREETI MARRIED TO THAT PERSON!! It was SO relatable! It was the same for me and I was on the edge, Idk what I would've done if they didn't give any closure to Preeti!
Yes. Thank you for your review. I don't know why people always think that the protagonist must be someone on whom the masses can look up to. The protagonist even in the movie is a human with flaws. People shouldn't always watch a movie with a moral compass.
@@hrishikeshbasumatary4725 yeah i know.. and whats wrong with making money when we enjoy the content... Wish you were a bit positive 🙄... And if you want to only see benefits in everything than there is one. Ignorant foreign people are getting to know our culture and folklore and it will help our people living over there face less racism. But nevermind, if you dont like this kind of stuff than dont watch or comment and spread negativity! Best wishes😅 mr smarts
Prerna Sharma hahahahaa😁😁😁😁😁u naive person if u seriously think Americans give two shits about Bollywood or even Hollywood u are mistaken.... And about racism if u can't stand for yourself u deserve to suffer racism.... Racism will always exist in America it's a part of their culture u just have to live with it........and by the way these two people are theatre actors so they know to act and fool us
People are bothered because this is a 'commercial' movie which reaches more people as compared to a Gangs which is more of a 'parallel' one. You know, those are still pretty distinct in India however much we deny. So people are concerned that this can affect the already misogynistic society of India more since movies and movie characters are hugely followed here.
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I held myself back from watching this review, I wanted to watch it after I've seen the movie. After watching this review, I am more than proud of you guys and the fact that I am a subscriber of this channel. I 100% agree with you both. Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows and its the same thing with people as well. When biopics are made, it includes both the good and bad phases of a person because that's how life is. It in no way means that the bad is being promoted. When SANJU released, nobody said a word about it, because it was a biopic. Nobody saw it as promoting the usage of drugs. It's a similar situation with Kabir singh just the issues are different. The story clearly talks about him being a misogynist, womanizer. It won't be talked about in the first place if it's being promoted.
The original Arjun Reddy was better ..May be cause I already watched it first. But then I loved Kabir singh too. Without bias the heroine made the difference. The heroine in Arjun Reddy had an edge, she was stage artist (google if you dont know what that is)....Arjun reddy was emotionally level up than Kabir singh. May be Kabir singh was made milder in emotion for Hindi audience
Kabir singh was complex and raw. At times it was really vulnerable with you to the point that you hated resonating with it. It's emotionality it's passion is what draws me most towards it B U T there are pros and cons to every movie and the biggest con to me was the ending. Had he moved on and grown in the past 9 months i would've loved the ending but he went back to the thing that broke him and that's what i hated i could be biased because i like omnious endings but personally , if you've gone back to the person who hurt you you've lost all self respect and that doesn't give a very good message. Kabir felt everything so intensely he must've been struggling with some mental problems and that aspect was never touched on. I would've loved to see some growth and character development from the movie. note : i haven't watched arjun reddy . I didn't know what to expect and had high expectations from kabir singh. To me the movie was below average at best. A 2/5.
Hey so most audiences in India aren't aware enough to distance themselves from the misogyny. I saw the same thing happen with the original Telugu version and now this, where what the hero does is glorified. We aren't aware enough to distance ourselves from the problematic parts, it's all very romantic, unfortunately.
Perfectly put Pallavi. It's still a country where "no" isn't understood. And in this movie, the woman isn't even asked the question to answer in anyway. Lol
@@Booyawatchin maybe in ur household and neighbourhood but don't lump all of India in that catagory cause a few incidents and a few baised media outlets don't reflect the nation as a whole .
ok its just a story alright . U think every man is going to go around hitting women and be a drunkard and drug addict after watching this movie ? Absolutely not and let me tell you many men and women watched GOT and i assure u after watching the first season no brother and sister thought it would be cool to have sex among themshelves . The audience is sensible enough to distinguish between right and wrong . And its been a nearly a week since Kabir Singh is released how many guys do u see going around hitting women ?
@@animeshbiswal8121 hey man I'm sure you're definitely able to tell what's wrong and right. But don't lump yourself in with the rest of the country. Men not behaving that way should be a given and yet, I've had people objectify me while telling me they like me, and the same is true for my friends. I'm sure you're someone who wouldn't have these behavior patterns, which makes you part of civil society, but please don't presume to tell me that thousands of girls' experience is invalid and assume that the entire male population in this country is as civil as you.
@@pallavichamarty6483 but the entire male population is not vile and uncivilized and also not the entire female population is pure and are a victim of patriarchy. Sure there are some men who are incomparable even to wild animals and its sad in a country like India where Goddesses are worshipped more than Gods . But don't presume to tell me that all women are victims of rash behaviour of men cause thats simply as false as a flying horse. The pendulum swings both ways and both parties are affected which is sad but to highlight the plight of one which is cause of the rash behaviour of another and just completely ignoring that in pther cases the situation is reversed is not what shpuld happen in a civilised society .
hhhhh I made a small note book for every new word I learn from you guys.. I loved 'cathartic' / 'lazy artistry'/ 'cinematography'. I enjoy the way you talk about acting and we all love that you're sharing your opinion about acting making movies and Indian cinema!
You guys are totally unaware of how people react after watching a character like this in India. They genuinely believe this behaviour is heroic & they ape it. They treat women like shit coz they think that's how they'll get them. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. You saw it as all bad because you have seen enough of the world to know that. Character actors like Manoj Bajpayee don't influence people but stars like Shahid Kapoor do. I don't like dividing actors in this manner but that's the only way I can make my point here. Also, it matters how you portray your female characters. In Gangs, Richa does not shut up. She gives it back to him for cheating on her & for being a womaniser. You guys have not seen all our films so you won't understand why some of us have a problem with this. It took us decades to get out of this kind of portrayal of heroes. The problem is not with telling stories of flawed characters. We've been doing that since the 40's. Hope you understand this. Dev D was a good portrayal of a flawed character who realises that he's flawed unlike Kabir Singh who is sulking, hitting people & treating them like shit & never acknowledges the fact that he fucked up. To each his own I guess. I have nothing against your review. You shared your opinion which is cool. I just wanted to make you understand why some people have a problem with it. Peace.
It's not him but if other movies are doing it doesn't make it right for this movie to glorify....There's lot of misogyny in the movie which I think should not be ignored....When they show that in gullyboy that father hit the mother ...It's explicit to us that it's wrong and the son was against it....But in this movie they got together and the slap was easily forgiven
Kritika Dewan It’s a character arc he goes from angry at some people ,bossy,unampethatic to drug addict,angry at everyone,empathetic then from this he changes his life in the end.Thats the whole point it’s to see what will happen if you keep doing this behaviour and how it’s only ruining you.There might be kids who are angry and smoking and they see the movie at first they’ll enjoy but it will hit them when he gets ill and how they might be on the same trajectory.You are saying kids will only pick up misogyny from this ,then I don’t agree with you I think they will see the overall trajectory and obviously there’s always gonna be 5-10% of those idiots who are gonna pick the wrong parts.
The problem is, indian youth are gullible af.. There are people who want to be like the character played by Shahid.. Who feel this behaviour is normal, hence the outrage.
@Suresh M yup.. Women have walked out of the theater, film companion, the hindu and indian Express have called it a hardcore misogynistic movie.. Which isn't wrong, after watching arjun reddy many wanted to be like him.. Kabir Singh takes it 2 notch ahead..
So basically we should only make movies on great admirable personalities coz apparently the youth may follow what is shown... It's a movie, just a story... But nope... We are Indians and we need to criticize something or the other. (whether criticism is warranted or not is another story altogether)
@@anu12121212 of course not. Movies with weird and eccentric characters must be made. But the creators should keep in mind, our society is not as progressive as the West, where there would be pin drop silence when Kabir slaps preeti in the movie or when he asks woman to undress in the beginning of the movie elsewhere, men were cheering and applauding it in many theaters here.. Which is wrong.. Very very wrong..
@@anakims_art so it is my fault if I were a filmmaker that people failed to bring up their kids with proper understanding of right and wrong? Here's a scenario... Pretty comparable A funeral service is going on and some idiots in attendance are laughing and cheering...highly inappropriate for sure but again whose fault is it? The person who died, the people who organized the ceremony or those idiots who don't know what's right and appropriate? The only fault of the filmmaker I could find was his assumption that he could just tell a story (real and believable for the most part too) in the times when feminism is all the buzz.
@@anu12121212 so according to you an actor Or a filmmaker should have no accountability to the current changes in the society while making a movie? And when a sizeable amount of people in the cinema theatre are connecting with this person and look up to him as a "hero" with no repercussions shown in the movie for his bad behavior.. It will cause an outrage for sure.🤷♀
Just back from the theater watching korbin singh ☺️ and watched the review it is 2:37 am and I freaking loved the review by you guys........Love you.......
You say itz a film and shud b seen as a flim ... True ... but perhaps u do not knw that most young men in India do not see films as films tey think if the hero is doing it why can't we ... Esp if the hero is a man mst people love Shahid Kapoor .... It scared me as a woman to b fair .
Let's sign a petition to make and release movies that only glorify the amazing great admirable personalities. Will be boring as hell but yeah sure... Atleast 'the gullible and impressionable' youth of India won't be misguided. Also, if movies are able to shape the thinking of teens and the 'new' adults...it isn't the filmmaker that is at fault... It's probably the parents and the family that brought up the youth and failed to give them enough sense to differentiate between right and wrong....and on a much smaller note... Between reality and a frikkin movie. God bless pseudo feminism
@@anu12121212 man come on, people loved Haider, Kaminey, people even loved Khilji. It's about being tone deaf and never seeing equivalent consequences to the degree of abuse. Think about it.
Yes true, I have also been influenced by kabir singh. I would not speak truth but after watching kabir singh I am honest. I used to believe in *One night stand* like feminists but after watching kabir singh I am thinking about sticking to one girl only. He was topper in his college. Now I am working hard and will definitely crack SSC cgl or any other gov. exam. *Thanks to Kabir Singh for giving me such moral values in a single movie* Now waiting for next movie of sandeep reddy wanga. My favourite dialogue from movie (modified in my style) *KABIR SINGH : Ayye, jisne kabir singh ko misogynist bola usko madarchod*
From my personal experience, which isn't very plentiful, the concept of love amongst Indians can be a bit intense. I tend to have little sympathy for people and characters who hang on to lost love, and maybe it's because I just haven't experienced it, but at some point a healthy person moves on and meets new people. I never felt bad for him, and I felt the guy that Kabir was in the beginning of the film was very unlikeable, and yet people seemed to fawn over him in the film, despite the obvious disarray in his lifestyle. When he ended up getting the girl after being a shithead the whole movie, that just cemented it for me that I really disliked the story, I just never felt the guy was redeemable. Maybe on a second watch I can be more forgiving, I don't even remember the romance so.... yeah there are people in India that are so over the top about one person they probably didn't even love, and were just infatuated with, and they refuse to live without that person until they get what they want and think they deserve. So many people just like Kabir, that it didn't feel to me like the movie was going to have the intended effect. It felt to me like people who were like Kabir could excuse their horrible nature because the guy got the girl, and everything he believed got proven right.
Aaaah I also just watched it last night ! Totally agree with you ! I loved the movie. I guess if anyone loves love stories they'd be totally invested ❤️
Watch Arjun Reddy also, if you can. You will see two very different performances and none of them can be compared. Both Vijay and Shahid have done a brilliant job.
You guys have done one of the best analysis of the movie and better than any Indian review. I had a hate love situation with the movie but I really am glad that such type of films are being made because this is real life. I cried too in the end.... I would have been disappointed if it hadn't ended the way it did.
u guys got it right!! the character is flawed and its how the character behaves. no neither the actor nor the makers endorse such behaviour in real life.
