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@@palatonian9618 That's where you are wrong. Unless you are one of the thousand daily psykers or f*ck up enough to get turned into a servitor, the Imperium does not strip you of your free will, nor does it consume your soul for eternity after death. In fact it's been strongly hinted in the past that there is a heaven like realm in the Warp where the souls of guardsmen, space marines and loyal citizens of the Imperium go to live at after death and keep in mind humanity is measured in quintillions in 40K, those two cases are VERY low numbers. Chaos eats, without exemption, each and every single one of it's followers. Or failing that, make them immortal puppets or furniture. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Farsight Enclaves fan, the Imperium is a nightmare, but it's better than selling your soul to the forces of hell itself and anyone saying otherwise is a liar or a fool.
Yeah. Angron did full cycle and ended up again to be enslaved. But this slavery is far more horrible than any type of slavery known to 42nd millenium or to the 2nd millennium.
@@Jon_REDACTEDhe didn't really submit to chaos though. Lorgar did some magic shit and turned him into that. He would have died fighting his oppressors but was again "saved" to be turned into another variety of slave.
I genuinely almost cried. Out of all the Primarchs, Angron got screwed over the most. Raised as a slave, robbed of his charismatic aura and turned into a killing machine, robbed of his chosen family, disrespected by everyone at every turn, even by his own sons, and manipulated by the gods of Chaos into enslaving himself, this time forever. Even worse than a slave, since his master not only owns him, but literally _inhabits_ him, and there's nothing he can do to end it. The only way out of that hell is to get killed by someone in the Warp.
Yeah, Angron's story is brutal. Before hearing these quotes I thought maybe Angron got some satisfaction out of being a daemon prince and fighting the Imperium, but for the second time, I think it's clear he would have rather just died fighting his oppressors. "This is not freedom, it is slavery" broke me
@@wb7585 i think the fact that angron would have died otherwise was only an excuse from lorgar to kharn. lorgar did turn angron into a daemon primarch on nuceria when angron was about to die from the nails. but lorgar also basically engineered the whole situation in which angron died and manipulated angron to be on that planet at that time, even tho angron never wanted to go there. and during the ritual where angron turns into a daemon, lorgar also finishes his ruin storm which cuts of ultramar from the galaxy for most of the heresy. so what i think happened here is that lorgar wanted to get himself a ruin storm. for that he needed a bunch of bloodshed all across ultramar and a big sacrifice at the end. and he chose angron as that final sacrifice because primarchs are rare and powerful. he actually says something like that after the summoning. something like "you were always meant as this sacrifice. nothing else would have been enough to summon the ruin storm". so he offers up angrons soul in exchange for chaos to create the ruin storm over ultramar. what makes this even more fucked up is that the last few world eater librarians see that this is happening, try to stop it and get butchered by angron who thinks lorgar is trying to save him and so defends him. all while lorgar stabs him in the back and prevents him from getting the one thing he actually wants. to finally die.
@@philip8498 that's the part I was missing thanks. I did listen to the one book were Logar and Angron fight the elder during the hersy and Logar hears of the prophecy that Angron would become part of khrone.
Kharn every morning be like: "SPACE MAGIC PROTEIN LET'S GOOOOOO" (on a side note, Kharn actually didn't fully loose himself, he keeps track of his killcount to remain somewhat conscious of what he's doing, he's got a different view on slaughter than he's primarch, still blood for the blood god it is though)
Really, it must have been a pain and constant stress to have a Literal Demon living and imprisioned in a cell inside the same ship you are, any momment he could break free and start killing his own sons. Its very hard not to think a lot of world eaters pondering about escape and join the loyalist after seeing the true face of Chaos.
@@vitaliyred622not all of them… the rest died on istavann. Other died later on and the unaccounted ones. Chance are a single squad or 2 of world eaters could appear in 40k and Immediately get fired upon. Warp be like that.
This made me tear up. Kharn’s sorrow for his father. Angrons pain anger and sadness as he knows he is once again a slave; before his mind leaves him forever in rage forever a slave. Too truly not be able to die. What should have been one of the most kindest of Primarks is forever gone. I hope he does die one day he deserves to rest. Great work you have done, you do it with such emotion and such zeal. I hope you do Lorgar’s monologue to Magnus at the start of the novel Betrayer.
Yes, one of the saddest story arcs in 40K. Yet I wonder what will happen if Fabius Bile will get so crazy again to create another perfect clone of a Primarch - if so, I hope it will be Angron's clone.
Whoever did Angron knocked it out of the park! You can feel the pain and rage at his condition. Omg I keep coming back to hear this. It’s so good, I tear up when he cries out “THIS IS NOT FREEDOM, IT IS SLAVERY”
Damn...you can feel the pain in Angron's voice...such a sad fate, for someone who wanted nothing but a honourable death with his brothers and sisters...imo one of the best tragic stories of 40k
A slave, who became a slaver to his legion like High Riders did with him. Ironic, that they brought this on themselves, Angron approved the nails, he became the slaver and a slave in the end, a slave to Khorne.
Then they wonder why he kills them and hates them so much. In their minds their love is to be appreciated but it's always been unwanted. It's why he hated that they were so willing to be his slaves,to install the nails,blindly loyal to him,it disgusted him because it was everything his brothers and sisters on Nyceria fought tooth and nail to escape.
In my eyes, Angron we knew died in this very moment. Replaced with an empty shell that kills for a god that never cares. It would be satisfying to see him rip lorgar into sunder.....
Well, to some extent, Khorne does care. The only moment of peace Angron ever knew came from Khorne. Not the Emperor or his sons or brothers... Then again, it was only a cruel twist. Khorne only let him know peace so that he would crave it, sending him into even greater turmoil - hoping to please his Bloody Lord enough for another taste of such blessed release
Lorgar's painful demise belongs to Corvus Corax alone, if Angron wants to die to a Loyalist Primarch... Again, i'm sure Corax won't mind tearing him to shreds as well
Angron had been dying his whole life, the only mercy ever given to him being true death was robbed of him by lorgar, now he's stuck suffering for eternity, he's even lower then a slave now for he doesn't even own his own soul, his own body. Poor poor angron
Technically no. Kharne was able to retain most of his sanity - until Sigismund killed him. Since Kharn was revived by the Blood God he did lose a piece of himself.
Great dubbing!! I think this captures Angron's suffering really well: he's not simply a crazed daemon spilling blood. Deep beneath, there's still a glimps of his old self, constantly screaming inside
The weird screwed up thing, most of the legion don't even like or love their genesire, they crave the idea of it but since the nails screwed with his "aura" they kinda hate him yet they still enslave him.
angron is tragic , alway be chain and force to obey , alway try to fight back cause he can only think that the way to free himself but it alway be fighting again one tyrant then fall in the grip and chain of another , the only different that this one is the last to chain him with no chance for freedom or even fight back like the other
Just wanted to stay, I started watching your readings with the Kharn versus Erebus fight, and since then I've felt compelled to go back watch all of it. Not only are voices good, but their accents, their cadences, the music, the atmosphere. The Death of Dantioch made me tear up, this reading made me feel for Angron, the Erebus kills Argel makes me realize just how right Raum was, the Erebus versus Kharn one made me realize Kharn wasn't angry, he wasn't wrathful, he was just done with Erebus, and to me that's utterly terrifying. 10/10 work, please for the Love of the Emperor's Light, keep making these readings!
I too do not wish to lose him or myself I also "fall to my knees" you felt a man give up 100% in his logic in favor of sharing pain was truly touching as expressed to such a precise degree
If in the grim darkness of the future there was to be a bright spot, it would be be Angron going out in a blaze of glory with his sons beside him raging against the dying of the light and reclaiming the honourable death and peace that was stolen from him. And hopefully that would involve turning Erebus into a crimson smear.
Man it must suck to be kharn constantly doing everything in your power to try to save whatever scraps of your father are left only to copnstantkt loose more and more of what remains of him.
No Not for the Emperor, he wanted and needed his father. His Brothers and Sisters of Neceria, even his Primarch Brothers, anyone. He wanted and needed someone to save him, and that's when Lorgar and Khorne did this to him.
If he directly attacks Guilliman than he will have it. He will be free because the Emperor's sword will give his daemonic form a true death and probably his spirit will appear in Emperor's realm in the Warp.
Sadly, Kharn would lose himself. 10K years later, he's no more than a frothing maniac like the rest of his brothers. And Angron...I don't even know if you can call that Angron anymore. Like Fulgrim there's so little left of him from the Chaos Corruption, he's nothing more than a beast in Khorne's eternal slavery.
A part of fulgrim is still alive. Torturing by the demon prince who force him to see his sons fall into depravation. Angron... he still alive... but lost in his own rage.
People cannot understand the wiseness of uncared slaughter because to understand it you have to be beaten like you Never thought you could be beaten, khorne is more than just violence it is pain, rage and vendetta alltogether we have much to learn
Given how cruel, spiteful and down right evil humanity is. I'm both grateful and suprised that something like the Butchers nails don't exist. Yet I fear it's only a matter of time.
Probably the last sane moment Angron had. Trapped in a daemonic body that keeps trying to revert back to the Warp, feeling it dying and fading around him because he's not doing what Khorne wants. Having thoughts forced into his head BY Khorne so he'll fall deeper into bloodlust, and horribly still, recognizing it for the trap it is and knowing he Can't. GET. OUT. All he wanted was freedom. Instead, he got chains even heavier than before and a destiny he didn't ever want. You can almost hear him breaking on the inside.
Sane/insane/ (probably seeing things while also still being able to see the present ) oh assuming the nails are just constantly biting I think due to fact a daemon doesn’t technically have a brain he’s able (with some probable will power which holy fuck I cannot believe he still has that) to speak to his son relatively normally.
@@RufusJuice Noice! I asked because I really want to start a serious journey in voice acting after I finish school (only one damned week and I finally graduate)
It bugs me that they made Angron turn into a moron. I understand that he’s essentially distilled rage with wings, but when he became a daemon he stopped being relatable. It’s a weakness in the storytelling.
Angron's story would be a lot more compelling to me if he ever just remembered that he could have, at any time, cannonballed into a star and ended it all in an instant. Or picked a fight with the Emperor. As it is, it's basically him being too dumb to just do what he wants to do for no real reason, much like Curze. I still feel sorry for him but it'd be a lot more if he weren't so simultaneously spiteful and dumb.
