Assuming both players take like 25 (which is a lot) shots a game, that’s literally the difference between 2-4 points a game. That can easily be made up else where with rebounds, steals, or just good defense.
Yes buttttt Jordan's shots were more mid-range shots and going to the basket tho, Kobe's shots were more mid-range to the three point range. Jordan took less shots at the 3 point range and Kobe was more of a threat out there beyond the arc so he was heavily guarded more and sometimes double teamed as well.
@@DALykesBecause Kobe was a chucker. He shot 33% from 3 for his career, and if you take out a 3 year stretch where he shot 35-36% each year, he's a Westbrook/Giannis like 30% from deep every other year.
I like how Stephen A didn’t disrespect any player while trying to make his case. Meanwhile Skip was all over Kobe and almost gave him 0 to no credit at all
Kobe Bryant 2 finals mvps best player on only 2 championship teams 😂 Michael Jordan 6 finals mvps best player on all 6 championship teams First Ring Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38 ppg and 61% fg and 16 rpg First Ring Jordan 31.2 ppg and 11.4 apg and 6.6 rpg and 55.8% fg and 50% 3pt ShaquilleO'Neal 3 Finals Mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings Michael Jordan never needed a top ten all time player like Shaquille O'Neal 😂 Phil Jackson book he said Michael Jordan better player than Kobe Bryant Phil Jackson coach both players 2004 NBA Finals Pistons 4 Lakers 1 Kobe Bryant 22 ppg and 38% fg and 17% 3pt And Shaquille O'Neal 26 ppg and 63% fg Kobe Bryant choked in 2004 NBA Finals 😂😂 Kobe Bryant had 3 hall of fame players Shaq, Malone, Payton Proof Kobe Bryant wouldn't win shit with Pippen 😂 Give Goat 🐐Jordan a prime superstar Shaquille O'Neal and he would never lost to Detroit Pistons in 2004 NBA Finals Michael Jordan never choked in nba finals like Kobe Bryant did 😂 Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg most missed shots ever and 3x sidekick isn't top 9 all time player Goat 🐐Jordan > Copycat Kobe
@@deanmitchell1575 the disrespect to kobe, shaq didnt carry kobe, jellybean was averaging 29 in the playoffs with shaq. Shaq was the big beast but he damn near had a lot of help. In 04 karl malone and gp were out of their prime that wasnt defensive god gp. If your gonna use stats dont tell half a story in 91 finals though defensively he couldnt shut down this beast of a pg in magic and needed pippen to do it, other wise magic would of cooked on him again. Mj needed a top 50 player all time in scottie pippen and he needed another all star or great player like dennis lead the league in rebounds ffs. Horace grant was a all star, bj armstrong was a all star. Mj had hof with him all the time and kobe had average players. And you cant disrespect detroit if they dont face injuries and not to forget time was knocking on the door they win again. They were spanking the bulls so whats your point? They even said our strategy was make mj keep shooting thats how we win. What we do know mj never won without pippen but kobe could win without shaq. Because pippen without mj was one whistle away from the finals and mj without pipp was a 1st round exit You cant disrespect kobe like that. His fg% doesnt paint the picture this man worked harder than everyone else thats why he was so great in his system he was asked to shoot more long range shots they both 33% shot from 3pt but kobe had 3x more so clearly the one guy believed he could shoot better. Thats why to me we base legacy of our stars to much on stats im talking skill and skill wise kobe no.1 all time
If you compare overall talent of Jordan's Era compared to the talent of the last 13 yrs, the shooting guards of that era, team mates, and more between Jordan and Bryant, trust and believe man...you will DEFINITELY find a reason to compare Kobe to MJ! Stats don't tell the entire story! And A LOT of things folks like to brush off when it comes to Jordan too...he's overrated in tons of ways the folks don't even know
@@turtleislandlac1490 For one, which I already stated, he defeated weak competition, and you are only as good as your competition. The 90s had some of the most unathletic, watered-down players ever, plus 6 expansion teams? What players can compete with prime Kyrie, McGrady, Westbrook, Harden, Ray Allen, Durant, Tim Duncan, D-Wade and like 40 more, in their primes?? Craig Ehlo? John Starks? Detlef Schrempf? Jordan was, literally, the most athletic person on the floor every night at his position, and overall. Kobe could not say that. The tallest players were usually the best in the 90s while during Kobe's era, nearly every position could shoot and run post game. Plus, the game's defenses were not just one on one based on position, or just a hard-double team, but anyone can guard anyone, and use man or zone, and even no names can shoot the lights out compared to the 90s players. 🤨 Teams with one HoFer in the Finals, yet the Bulls couldn't sweep the playoffs? Probably NO player outside of Jordan, Hakeem, and Pippen could compete with Russell Westbrook in the 90s, and it's not close, yet Kobe faced, defended against, and defeated a ton players with athleticism, shooting, handles, IQ, everything! Next, folks love to talk about "Kobe had Shaq! Shaq was the most dominate whatever", yet only base this from FINALS MVPS (stupidest logic ever), but when bringing up how Scottie actually handled the assist, block, rebound, defense, and backup scoring help in almost every Finals (which stats and live action prove he out performed Jordan in most of those categories in the Finals) then Scottie is spit upon. Smh. That overrates Jordan because people REALLY claim Kobe was carried, but Jordan carried Pippen 😂. I have even heard people say they would take Pau (a better scoring Charles Oakley) over Pippen just to undermine Kobe and overrate Jordan. 😂😂 The real logic is Pippen AND Jordan carried the Bulls just as Kobe AND Shaq carried the Lakers. This is why Jordan and Lequeen fans overrate Shaq as well, as if Shaq is not the most swept big man.
Shaq didn't lead them past the greatest player of all time...if you were 33, you would remember that Jordan left for baseball and he was still getting used to being back..that being said, he also had if you don't remember Penny Hardaway, Horace Grant, and Nick Anderson. In essence, Shaq needed another star to get his rings.
Jordan was hardly EVER single covered on D - the man was routinely double and triple teamed his ENTIRE career. Illegal D just basically prevented players form guarding areas ala Zone D. Once a player got the ball, you could throw as many defenders at him as you saw fit. And Transistion? Hell, most of MJ's points in the second 3peat came from his own creation in the low post. Stephen A is off on that argument for sure.
When Jordan played against a Prime Magic he DID not tear it up the exact opposite happened and there is video footage on youtube to show the contrary. But the reason Magic and Larry say Michael is the greatest is how quickly he improved from his Rookie season and his ability to dominate on both ends of the floor in the games that they played against him in the TAIL end of there career. It has been acknowledged by everyone that when Jordan entered his prime Magic and Larry were on there way out.
i don't take anything from one of the greatest players to ever play the game of basketball but let's be real michael jordan struggled with winning early in his career. correct me if i'm wrong but if a player scores 40 pts and the team still looses, well i'd say your 40 pts meant nothing. larry bird, craig ehlo, and detroit pistons were problems for jordan.
mj was a closer at 33. the bulls were so good at that point that mj was a closer. flat out efficient scorer. they ran the triangle to perfection in that second 3peat. mj couldn't be stopped in that context. mjs bulls team at 33 was a well oiled machine, and kobe's current team isn't as good as his early teams. the arc of their career is so different so it lends itself to great conversation. but kobe being unguardable at 17 seasons is flat unprecendented.
We take Kobe, FLAWS AND ALL, and believe he's the greatest due to the things that he's done. JORDAN fans call him the "god of basketball" like he has NO damn flaws! THAT is what kills me!
WHat things has Kobe done that MJ has not done better? Jordan is not perfect, but there is NO fucking argument that Kobe is even close to Jordan. There is no fucking argument that Kobe is even top 5
Wait a minute...am I REALLY sitting here reading comments from someone with a BRAIN! FINALLY!! No one seems to get the point you just made they only just say HE'S THE GOAT! Jordan had so many mishaps that are ignored and/or denied! The excuses folks make for him ONLY apply to HIM! No one else! You killed it. Lol
in those years 2008 and 04. michael had scottie pippin who is ranked in the hall of fame. plus watch dan on fire and see what he has to say about kobe and michael
i agree with kobe being the second best sg but in my opinion kareem abdul jarbbar because everyone forgets that he has 6 rings and 5 mvps to go along with the most unstoppable move and he has the most points ever
So it's ok to say Kobe made Gasol an allstar and then they won together - yet exactly the same thing happened in CHicago with Jordan and pippen yet it's seen by Kobe fans as not being the same situation? Christ. Double standards.
Clearly MJ was the better player. Kobe has Bynum, Gasol and Metta who can guard good players. so kobe shoulda had easy shots especially since defense rules nowadays made kobe betterr. So in conclusion, MJ will always be the better player.
Erm - Jordan DID play against Prime Bird and Magic. He tore them up several times. Difference was, MJ's team was about as reliable as a chocolate fireguard. Wouldn't matter if Jordan was unguardable - the rest of his team stunk and normally couldn't win the ball games.
Use your brain man, all of those guys grew up watching and idolizing Jordan themselves. Plus, knowing that they are great players, why in the world would they want to be the one that says publicly that they don't believe Jordan is the best, and that they are better? None of them are looking to be in that spotlight and receive that level of scrutiny for no reason. It's unwanted and negative attention that they could easily avoid by saying Jordan is the best, I wouldn't consider that "proof".
He didn't even have the best FG% (Orlando Woolridge was out doing Jordan in that category) and only had the best Defensive rating ONCE before the championship yrs! BALLHOGGING (like everyone LOVES to accuse Kobe of) is how he was scoring so damn much! GO BACK AND CHECK! Jordan was, sometimes, shooting 30 times a game, but if KOBE does it, he's a ballhog, JORDAN does it, he's taking over the game! GTHO! Why don't t care about Kobe's flaws? Because his fans don't lift him like he's perfect!
The difference is Jordan shot at a much higher % then Kobe so its OK if he "ball hogs". Jordan was VERY efficient with the ball. Kobe was not! If Kobe was shooting 50%, no one would call him a ball hog
Very good point Stephen made about why there is a difference between the FG% of Jordan & Kobe. The same applies to Lebron's FG%. Miami's defensive pressure is great, combined with how quickly they get out & run off turnovers or rebounds, Lebron & Wade usually finish the break with high percentage dunks. I'll stick my neck out without checking numbers and say Lebron was in the top 5 in the league in dunks per game. To quote Barkley - I may be wrong... but i doubt it!
Dominic Thompson Sr. 49% vs 43% is a HUGE difference when it comes to fg%, especially for volume shooters like Kobe & Mike. That equates to hundreds of missed shots & a 4 - 5 ppg lower scoring avg during the season.
Same way Jordan needed Pippen and/or Rodman, and vice-versa. Fact is, Kobe appeared in 3 straight finals from 08-10 and won 2 of them back to back with one of the weakest teams to ever win a championship, let alone repeat as champions. The Lakers 2nd best player was a soft ass Pau Gasol who got ramrodded by the Celtics physical defense down low. His 3rd best player was a toss up between an Odom who only showed up to play half the time, and a D Fish who was 35+ and couldn't play defense for shit.
BOTH are completely MJ fans. But clearly Stephen is those type of fans that respect Kobe. AND I like that simply because Kobe is the best after Jordan. Plus Stephen logic is realistic, don't get me wrong mj done everything better than kobe but when people compare mj to kobe, thats when people forget how great kobe is, and just jump the jordan bandwagon. So stephen is trying to show people how great kobe is as well
When Kobe and Jordan fans gotta take shots at LeBron for playing with shooters us LeBron fans aren't allowed to say well "Kobe played with great rebounders during his winning seasons", 2 SEVEN footers who were skill guys not just alley oop finishers. But they can bring it up amongst each other smh. One day y'all Kobe fans gonna appreciate Pau Gasol AND Bynum along with Shaq.
LeBron could never win a title with Pau Gasol being his second best player. He has to have another elite closer on the team. Gasol never even scored 30 points in a single NBA finals game. Can't say that a bout Wade and Kyrie, not to mention he also had Bosh and Love. Also Bynum didn't even play in the postseason in that first NBA finals due to injury that they lost to the Celtics and he averaged 7 and 6 points in the next two finals that the Lakers won.
@@itshiho man idk about that we all know kobe is one of the best to ever do it and to me he is above mj and lebron... to me!! Thats the respect for jellybean bryant i have. But lebron 2 times in his career went to the finals with people we cant remember, kobe had all stars. Just like how allen iverson took the 76ers with no names
@@eek8605 True but the East has always been much weaker than the West from top to bottom ever since the 98 bulls broke up and none of those teams would have made the finals in the West. Only real good teams besides the LeBron led ones have been the Pistons and Celtics for a few years. The Derrick Rose Bulls only had one good season.
@@itshiho i mean i wouldnt even say the east was strong in the 90s apart from bulls like people like Stephen A say oh cleveland with mark price, larry nance and the crew but they were bounced out in the first round 7 straight years🤣🤣 i mean in the 90s the east was diluted people say knicks but ewing really had little help. Indiana with reggie only had 2 talented players... East was loaded in the 80s with pistons, celtics and 76ers. Probably not 90s to but 2000s it was when allen iverson went finals that was a loaded east same as lebron in 2008 he took a bunch of guys we cant remember to the finals and he had to against orlando, boston and dwade coming of a ring and while the big 3 celtics were in their prime. I would say pg13 indiana pacers was a good team we all forget at that time pg13 he had a arrived and they took miami 7 games in the ecf. I would say the east the last couple of years is loaded toronto is real good they just choke at lbj, 76ers are good for sure, bucks, celtics etc. But they didnt see the light when lebron was there gotta give credit. But i where i give my jellybean bryant all the credit lebron and mj basically needed 2 all stars or 1 all star and one guy who lead the league in rebounds. Kobe won without shaq which was amazing because mj and lbj need quite a loaded team to bring it home. But your defs right the west is always been more stacked👌👌 maybe in russells time the east was but thats about it🤣
If you think mj or kobe had as many good teammates or even close compared to lebron your high out of your mind. Lebron has played with more than double the amount Of all stars jordan has look it up and hes still got some years left.
jordan is abig inspiration to kobe....but kobe want to make a name for himself ,.... I definetly think that kobe has the competitive drive that MJ posseses in his prime
Gary Payton and Karl Malone were FAR out of their primes....Pau is inconsistent, and who is Bynum? Lol....Kobe didn't play in the playoffs this previous season, Howard wasn't 100%, Nash didn't play the whole series, and neither did Metta, Jodie Meeks, nor Steve Blake...just had to point that out
I agree MJ had 72 wins compare to kobe but remember MJ had Scottie to help him out im clearly on both side but what if Kobe have had someone like Scottie. Kobe is mostly doing all the scoring by himself because he wants to win. Think about it?
But take into consideration the minutes they both played, don't go by age, but compare by season, Kobe is still playing at a very high level in his 16th and 17th year in the league and MJ never even got to that, and was just not the same in his last season. I mean I don't think MJ would have been this good in his 16th or 17th season.
I am so sick of them tryin to find "something" or anything to compare this guy or any guy to MJ. Damn I wish MJ and this guy would've came in the league at the same time. MJ mastered the game of basketball like a kid masters a video game.
FIRST off, Jordan beat Bird and Magic in the 90s when they were PAST their primes, injured (Bird and Mchale), and old! Jordan couldn't even get his team above .500 the 1st 3 yrs in the 80s when those SAME teams were DOMINATING the League until the expansion teams and rule changes, that benefited him in the 90s! 6 Championships? So what? Kareem has 6, Robert Horry has 7, Bill Russell has 11! Stats? Kareem and Wilt Chamberlain are 15 times better! The best talent of the 90s? PIPPEN went against!
Brandon Guthrie Jordan was playing at age of 40, and Kobe isn’t even 40 now and he’s been retired for 2 seasons. So who in reality played longer? You only say that because Kobe had more seasons, and started his career earlier. Jordan had a full college career and retired for 2 seasons due to the murder of his father, which is the only reason he doesn’t have more seasons than Kobe. So you can’t act like Kobe is so much more superior in terms of longevity. Lmao MJ is just clearly the better player, at age 33, and his career as a whole. The only player that’s on MJ’s level is Lebron at his best. Kareem is a close 3rd.
Guy - ENTIRE TEAMS couldn't contain Jordan. That's a straight up fact. Teams became so frustrated trying to hold him down, they devised their own underhanded strategies to keep him from scoring. Notably, the Pistons and the Knicks. People always use the age factor with Larry and Magic - so what was the Entire NBA's excuse when Jordan was in his 30's and STILL destroying everyone? Magic was a damn MVP runner up in 91 - and people say he was past his prime?? Rubbish.
Okay, I know this is an old discussion, but the last thing you want to do is compare rookie seasons when talking about MJ vs Kobe. Bird was still fresh and the top dog of the Eastern conference in the late 80's, with Magic in the West. Those are respectable losses for a rookie MJ (or any rookie) with what was practically a no-name team. Kobe's rookie season? He lost two years in a row to Utah (whom Jordan beat), and in his 3rd year to the Spurs. Neither of whom were on Bird/Magic's level.
Thats a very poor argument considering the fact that MJ didn't have Rodman and a seasoned Pippen during his most productive years. These guys are paid to disagree. Its a show for them. Steven is going to counter Skip no matter what. Even if he really agrees with Skip. Its a show for these guys.
Continued....Very True that Michael performed extremely well against Bird&Boston,scoring wise.But to say he tore Bird up,is hyperbole.The same with Magic.During the 1991 Finals,Michael was schooled by Magic(who was at the tail end of his career),w/Magic averaging 18.6ppg/8rebs/12.4ast/FG 43%. Michael ruled that '91 Finals.....offensively period.But defensively,he couldn't keep up with Magic,as to the reason why Phil Jackson took him off Magic and put Pippen in(who was a better defender).
Typical Kobe fan - assuming I'm a 'hater'. And the irony doesn't escape me that you're calling me 'kid' when i'm 33 years of age. So - Shaq leads the Orlando Magic past the greatest player of all time and the Chicago Bulls and then goes onto the finals and that doesn't warrant being called a superstar?? I think you need to do some research. Kobe is a legend, one of the top ten greatest all time, and one of my Fave players for your information.
I respect Stephen A. Smith is saying but I think he missed out on his homework a bit. Michael Jordan was 33 during the 1995 and 1996 regular season and he averaged the entire regular season and not the playoffs included 30.4 ppg, ok he was out for a year and a half before that which means the question is can Kobe accomplish the same feat if went out for a year and half and come back to the NBA and post 28 points right off the bat, I seriously doubt that
Skip is right in this case, Michael demanded his teamates to play hard. There is no way Gasol or Bynum would have played that way with Jordan on his team.
Honestly I think if it was Kobe on the Bulls the discussion would be that he's better... It's really kind of hard 2 say because of the era & talent differences... I think the game was more competitive in MJ era but there are more talented players now.
And dude, the rule changes started in 1990..go look up NBA rule history..THAT is when the league softened up, and I FORGOT about the expansion teams! But YOU think those expansion teams were FULL of legends, so have at it bro! And How many players in the 90s are the top 50 greatest of all time?? 10, and 3 played for the Bulls! How many are on that list from the 80s/70!? HA! Legends future HOFs vs Kobe? Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Jordan, Pippen, Reggie Miller, Lebron , D-Wade, to list a FEW!
I didn't compare anyone's rookie seasons. Just stating facts about someone everyone "claims" is the greatest! And I do not apologize for Jordan sucking all the way til the rules changed to benefit HIM! I do not apologize that he won when the legends got old, injured, and retired. I do NOT apologize that the NBA's worst draft classes were in the 90s...I do NOT apologize that 6 expansion teams watered down the league in the 90s...I could continue, but why? NOBODY wants to face these facts!
Aries Marquis thank you 4that comment about Jordan. they 4get about the ballhawking he would do & men would be wide the fuck open. take look at his 1st 7 yrs. watch the full game not the just the highlights . if Phil J. hadn't shown up MJ may have many rings I say that because MJ didn't embrace the traingle 4 fear of not getting enough shots. MJ couldn't take the Mamba. Kobe ballhandling skills 2much 4 MJ 2 handle & last if they would have met a final KB would've guarded MJ but MJ wouldn't guard KB pippen would've. KB would've gotten in2 MJ because of his KB skill set streeball. That's why they defended Mamba with players that taller. look it up
Death of Len Bias helped alot he would have allowed the Celtics to keep Larry Legend Longer and Contend against the Bulls also .. Drazen Petrovick's Death Really Set Back that Nets Team ... And Kobe Won without Shaq but MJ never won without Pippen hell the Bulls almost made the Finals without MJ none of Kobe's Laker Teams even the Shaq led one's would have even came close
Selfish? Jordan led hhis team in assists for YEARS. Hell, MJ used to play point guard - he topped off 10 triple doubles in a row playing the point - when you ever seen Kobe be that unselfish?
Skip was an analyst for a long time. He stuck with Mike because Mike really is the best and he is not going to let all the fanatics replace him. He could have said Dr J, Magic, Bird, even tried replacing MJ with some new players. That is how you know Skip is giving you his real honest opinion and not being a fanatic. He even sticks with Brady who won't be surpassed because Brady was the most fundamental QB ever.
6:53 if ANYBODY disagrees with Skip Bayless on that assessment, they simple do not know basketball. plain & simple. Not that it's a fact, but the closest thing to it in my eyes. Than again, I'm happy that did not happen for Michael because he would not have averaged 30.12 PPG for his career.
the difference is that once mike was on top he only won until he retired. he never missed the playoffs and never lost any finals. kobe won, lost, won, lost then won again. it means he was beaten in the finals which means he couldnt be the best for some years in a row. there was always somebody or some team that did beat kobe. this was never the case for mj. once he was on top, NOBODY could ever beat him. he would have won 8 straight if he did not retire.
@@handlebucket6285 ima be honest the best out of those squads was jazz, blazers were completely outmatched and so were the suns. Imagine if Jordan had to play magic AND Kareem , imagine if he had to go up against Hakeem when he retired, or Duncan and pop, mj has avoided alot of all time greats[by coincidence], has he ever faced a prime top 15 talent in the finals. Plz educate me
No, what you were doing was telling only one half of the story in order to beef up your opinion. You called out Jordan's rookie season stats, and shitted on him for losing against legendary competition, but neglected to even mention anything about Kobe's losing rookie seasons (all 3). The rules changing? First off only ONE rule benefited Jordan, and secondly, he didn't ASK for those changes, he wasn't even in the friggin league when they set in! Legends getting old? Neither Magic, Clyde, Malone,
Its funny stephan a has the common sense to not go by age with mj and kobe but whenever he debates lebron he uses age to try and make lebron seem better
@DemonXY2j Hey, I'm not impressed. As far as I'm concerned, Kobe had his chance to be considered in Jordan's company when he played Boston the first time. He didn't get it done. Didn't show up. Same thing with Detroit series and even in his second Finals against Boston. Whenever the Lakers didn't have the better team Kobe couldn't get it done. MJ reached a certain level and "never" lost. I'm not impressed. Sorry. I'm more impressed with MJ ballin as a Wizard. #THATisALL
Cant believe Stephen A. revisionist history. Michael Jordan was 35yrs old League MVP,Finals MVP. Scottie was a shell of himself had a bad back missed over 20 games. Game 6 98 finals Jordan score 45pts 4steals 1 turnover while Scottie could only play 26 minutes. Kobe has scored 40 once in 40 finals games. MJ averaged 40points for a whole finals series. No comparison Kobe is no leader why the hell you think he only has 1 mvp and he s an overrated scorer 2scoring tittles.
The thing about Michael Jordan is he got the fundamental skills, athleticism and a very high basketball IQ..plus he so competitive to a point its scary to play against him. he will do whatever it takes to win.he also makes his teammates better. by pushing them beyond their limits. just knowing that you got MJ in your team already makes you think your a winner. and that gives his teammates confidence.I believe its his overall IMPACT & leadership that is incomparable that makes him the best!!
Wrong..I never said anything about hist "rookie" stats, because I stated that he was gettin' his ass handed to him until Stern softened the rules up enforcing flagrant fouls, no hand checking, etc because Jordan was bitching about "How tough they play". Pistons were owning him until the rule changes! Evern Wilt Chamberlain made statements about how rules were changed to BENEFIT him! It took him 7 YRS to win anything!, and the only thing he was doing in those 7 yrs was SCORING POINTS!
Can anybody tell me where to vote up for the description of this video??? - Wish we could stop the comparisons, Kobe doesn't even want to be compared to Michael he has said that many times--
