Kobe didn't switch teams for rings, still has more rings, is more skilled, and didn't run for superstars....if anything superstars ran to him (unless the league stepped in to stop a trade here and there). Kobe was also a leader during a dynasty....I still don't understand how you can be a GOAT and not lead or create a dynasty or dominate an era, but Lebron apparently is the only one who can do that.
Havlicek 8 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen better player then Kobe if having better team finals record and more team accomplishments rings means better player Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings which you forgot to mention 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on Lakers 3peat Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick on yo lips
Totally agree with you here. Lebron is the ONLY player in the "GOAT conversation" that was not on the dynastic team. One of his many media produced magic tricks...
@@Yamamabestfriend697 you don't even know what rent free even means, goofy. Rent free means nobody is talking about Lebron, but literally everybody is trying to prop up Lebron even after going 6-18 FG yesterday. This is why you don't get girls my dude
kobe deserves to be part of the goat conversation for sure... ppl have been really disrespecting him his whole career until now. it's like at this point he's so underrated.
@@jonnyblayze5149but lebron should? 4-6 in the finals 2012: baby thunder, kd foul call, 3 straight home games after 2013: benched team, Ray Allen 3 2016: Kyrie steal and 3, and game 5 draymond suspension 2020: speaks for itself Not to mention the ppl he’s played with on all those teams Most turnovers, his records are irrelevant when it comes to his winning or in this case for lebron losing
@@JaMorantfan420 I don't know why ? Who the phuk said ANYTHING about lebron kid? You fools need to calm down. Anytime goat is mentioned you fools start crying and trying to trash James. Who cares. And in all honesty he's better than Bryant and WILL be higher on the list
@@jonnyblayze5149 y’all might not see it but have he ain’t like mfs out here disrespecting kob dam near like he ain’t did all that he did foo I knew really be actin like he n average player jus good at everything “the perfect nba player” he trippin
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
@@KennyDays-wy9wtDon't forget about LeBron’s turnovers, finals records, finals losses, or being swept a couple of times and choking against Boston and Dallas; Kobe’s a better defensive player. Because that's the moment, LeBron became the greatest player of all time. If you're going to list Kobe’s failures, mention LeBron’s failures as well. Don't be a hypocrite; it makes you look like an ass.
People overlook how much the charges against Kobe in 2003 hurt his overall reputation and relationship with the media. Just in time for the media to pivot for LeBron as their self-proclaimed king.
And Kobe took the media’s hatred of him and used it as motivation. The media screwed him out of multiple MVP’s and devalued his championships, yet Kobe didn’t care. He just wanted to win championships. Which he did.
It's sad this is even a discussion. This dude was never close to kobe. The only people you MAY be able to put over kobe are Kareem, Bird, maaaaybe magic. In my opinion none of those are better but you can atleast make a case. LeBron is nowhere in that conversation. It's really laughable.
Not according 2 these brongoblins apparently lol the 2016 run was heavenly 2 them Bron smoking the eastern conference was otherworldly lol give me a break it was always tougher on the Mamba what made him better and a certified killer he defeated the best competition not the softest easier path 2 victory
@@relicdad88yall act like lebron being in the west would've been harder for him. Teams are more talented out west and your adding lebron. Whatever team he was on would've been title contenders.
@@Dretube523 What they're saying is, if instead of running through the Spurs, the Kings, Jazz, Nuggets, Suns, Rockets, and Blazers all when they were at their best and winning 50 games, imagine if Kobe ran through the Raptors, Pacers and Hawks. That's not really LeBron's fault, though there was a difference in competition between the conferences that's for sure.
When it comes to skill alone, LeBronze is like the kid who brings a water gun to a paintball match. He may have some "impressive" numbers and highlight reels, but when you break it down, it's clear that Kobe was on a completely different level. LeBronze's reliance on brute force and lack of true skill make him the odd one out in this conversation about greatness.
Well, Shaq was Monster... but give him the ball at the 3point line to create something... i guess not much happens. Shaq NEEDED a brilliant playmakers like Kobe who spread the court and gave Shaq the opportunity to stand right at the hoop to put the pass into the ring.
I dont even understand the logic of some people. People widely consider MJ the goat and the media usually say Kobe is the closest the league has gotten to Mj, some have even said they are so close, it is 1A and 1B, so if that's case surely Kobe would be top 2 to 5 just by that logic. The other logic inconsistency i dont get is people routinely consider Magic a top 5 player, Magic and Kobe's career numbers/accolades/personell are similarly ish but somehow Kobe's placement is question, and Magic is unquestionable a top 5 player.
You're making WAY too much damn sense here. I just don't understand and never will the obvious Kobe slander and hypocrisy in these damn lists. The only point against him is he only has 1 mvp. BUT he has the third most top 5 finishes for MVP ever behind only Kareem with 15 and LeBron with 14. Kobe has 11 which is more than Jordan, Wilt and Russell. Somehow all of those guys have AT LEAST 4 and Kobe only was given one. I am not holding the fact the media HATED Kobe against him when evaluating him as a player.
@skap_attack even if they bring up the mvp argument, all the people who have more mvps such as Magic and LBJ have far less all defensive selections to Kobe so to me it balances out.
@@StephonAllen-dn2uwi don't now how you can put Lebron up there?...... I mean to get swept twice in NBAs biggest stage (NBA FINALS) Should ne embarrassing for someone making a case for being the Goat... On top of that he and hes team lost by largest amount of point difference in NBA FiNALS Hystory (to the SPURS)🤣🤣🤣.. And on top of that Kobe has more championships and he never lost as bad in the finals as the King himself..
@@skap_attackIt’s not just that LeBron and his circle pay media members to pump the airwaves keeping him in positive light. A couple other media members like this besides rachel nichols is dave mcmenimen and brian whindhorst
Meanwhile, LeFlop Drama Queen James' whole legacy is manufactured through media with constant, blatant lies about his accomplishments/stats. 1. Media never talk about his flops, which he has been doing his entire career. 2. Media and Bronsexuals always disrespect other all time greats' legacies just so they can hype LeChoke up. 3. Media and big NBA youtube channels lie about him "clutch" when he clearly isn't. LeChoke would rather pass the ball in the final moments since he is a horrible finisher at clutch time. You don't believe me, then search up "LeBron James clutch shots made: Regular season". The basketball reference clearly shows that out of 200 sample of "clutch" shots that LeChina took, he only made 15 of them. That's why even in the recent games, you will see him passing the ball or even straight up getting blocked constantly, as in the case of last year's conference finals against Denver. 4. Media constantly makes excuses for him for all his problems, as shown consistently in Skap's videos. It's all his teammates for some reason, when he basically is the GM of the franchise with how much power he has over players' contractual decisions and he's the one who brought them in. 5. Refs are very lenient on him with calling fouls for him and against other players. They also just straight up overlook his travels. This is very clearly shown in the recent games with Pelicans. Angry Old Hoops Fan actually did a breakdown video discussing this. Search up "LeBron "Shines" in Blowout Loss to Pelicans". Overall, LeChoke, LeESPN, and Bronsexuals are all a joke. The only thing they can do is just lie. Not to mention, when discussing legacies and stats, the context only matters when it's favorable to them. So they are also hypocritical in that regard.
Bro I've been trying to figure out the Kobe hate all my life. The only thing I can think of is the Colorado case or it's just some Personal jealousy. The guy is the best BBall player I've ever watched live period. When he stepped on the court it was a show
The fact that Dwayne Wade said me and lebum decided to team up was to stop Kobe from winning. He just won his 5 ring. There is no debate for lebum after that.
So because of what Wade said, it's suppose to mean something? That sounds like a desperate argument. Everyone knew the Celtics was the biggest road block. It doesn't make sense for Wade and Lebron to worry about Kobe when he was in the West.
@@syzorstWade said what he said. Besides, Kobe beat that same Celtics superteam while 2 injured fingers on his shooting hand, a bad knee that needed to be drained & required surgery in the offseason, no superteam, and after being down 3-2 in the series. So yeah...
We need someone like you on ESPN to counter all the nonsense those guys be saying! I don’t understand how anyone can say that Lebron is more skilled than Kobe!
Skap wont be on ESPN.....espn and sports media is a business...they are interested in shaping the narrative for profits not being objectively correct as Skap is
Ya bro all the people who played against them and all the guys who ar paid to analyze the game are all just lying to you, for sure. lebron is undeniable the best passing forward of all time, the greatest slasher of all time, while also being probably the most athletically gifted player of all time. stop being weirdos
@@Kings0424 LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
If u seriously want a tier ranking from someone that places Kobe above Lebron than ur not looking for a greatest player list… ur looking for a fan boy list😂
@@Joe7_OSRS Lebron is 16-6 against Kobe with better stats and better efficiency and majority of the matchups took place when Lebron had them trash Cleveland teams. Lebron is so much better than Kobe there isn’t a discussion to be made unless we disregard facts (statical evidence)
@@Joe7_OSRSYe and lemme guess he is better cuz he was a better scorer blah blah blah ye kobe the dude with the most missed shots of all time Oh wait he has more championships then lebron??? well yes he does but kobe has 2 finals MVPs he got carried 3 other times by shaq
Every time you put that clip of lebron doing the Harlem shake has me dying. 😂. That and the “that one made Me the greatest of all time” clip , are so funny to me
Your right, it is pathetic. Shaq's avg in the finals during the 3-peat: 35.9 PPG - 15.2 RPG - 3.5 APG - 0.7 SPG - 2.9 BPG - 59.1% TS - 3 Finals MVPs Kobe's avg in the finals during the 3-peat: 22.0 PPG - 6.1 RPG - 5.1 APG - 1.3 SPG - 1.2 BPG - 50.8% TS - 0 Finals MVPs Lebron has ALWAYS been the best player on each of his championship teams. Lebron 4 MVP - Kobe 1 MVP Lebron 4 FMVP - Kobe 2 FMVP Lebron 20x All Star (and still playing at an elite level) - Kobe 18x All Star Lebron 19x All NBA - Kobe 15x All NBA Lebron 1x Scoring Champ - Kobe 2x Scoring Champ (crazy how he only has 1 more scoring title than Lebron despite being a "much better scorer" Lebron 6x All Defense (2x DPOY runner up) - Kobe 12x All Defensive (1x 3rd place finish) Lebron 1x Assist Champ - Kobe 0x Assist Champ Lebron career avg 27.1 points, 7.5 rebounds and 7.3 assists - Kobe career avg 25.0 points, 5.2 rebounds and 4.7 assists. Lebron playoff avg 28.5 points, 9.0 rebounds and 7.2 assists in 282 games - Kobe playoff avg 25.6 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 220. Lebron career efficency 27.1 PER (2nd only to MJ w/more than 700 games played) - Kobe career efficiency 22.9 PER. In conclusion, while Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron, Lebron still averages more points than him throughout his career in the regular season AND postseason. Lebron is a much better rebounder, facilitator, and passer compared to Kobe. While Kobe has double Lebron's All-Defensive teams, I'd still take peak Lebron's defense over peak Kobe's defense (2x DPOY runner up to 1x 3rd place finish). Lebron is the more versatile player, can play any position, and plays the game textbook perfect. I really don't even see an argument for Kobe over Lebron since Lebron has put up better numbers than Kobe in every major statistical category (pts/reb/ass/steals/blocks) on MUCH MUCH better efficiency. Thats the literal definition of a "better player".
@@Max-ys3xgthe only argument for Kobe the video made, amid the slew of immature ad hominems, was that Kobe won championships without all time greats because Pau Gasol wasn’t an all star until 2009. That’s such a weak argument to put Kobe over LeBron. Completely ignores Phil Jackson, underrates Pau and overrates Kyrie.
Ignores Phil, Shaq being the bus driver for their 3-peat, Pau and Bynum being big reasons why they won 2009 Finals (held prime Dwight to 15 ppg), and massively overrates Kobe's ability to perform in the clutch. Its honestly amazing how Kobe got the narrative of being "clutch" when all the numbers show that he was one of the worst clutch-time playoff performers EVER. @@PM-vs3rh
@@Getitdone-xh2lb Kobe was carrying an avg team at best Queen James was playing with a HOF and a perennial all-star who basically avg a 23 point double double for 6 straight years and all 3 were in their primes so a little different scenario I'd say context matters
Shaq's avg in the finals during the 3-peat: 35.9 PPG - 15.2 RPG - 3.5 APG - 0.7 SPG - 2.9 BPG - 59.1% TS - 3 Finals MVPs Kobe's avg in the finals during the 3-peat: 22.0 PPG - 6.1 RPG - 5.1 APG - 1.3 SPG - 1.2 BPG - 50.8% TS - 0 Finals MVPs Lebron has ALWAYS been the best player on each of his championship teams. Lebron 4 MVP - Kobe 1 MVP Lebron 4 FMVP - Kobe 2 FMVP Lebron 20x All Star (and still playing at an elite level) - Kobe 18x All Star Lebron 19x All NBA - Kobe 15x All NBA Lebron 1x Scoring Champ - Kobe 2x Scoring Champ (crazy how he only has 1 more scoring title than Lebron despite being a "much better scorer" Lebron 6x All Defense (2x DPOY runner up) - Kobe 12x All Defensive (1x 3rd place finish) Lebron 1x Assist Champ - Kobe 0x Assist Champ Lebron career avg 27.1 points, 7.5 rebounds and 7.3 assists - Kobe career avg 25.0 points, 5.2 rebounds and 4.7 assists. Lebron playoff avg 28.5 points, 9.0 rebounds and 7.2 assists in 282 games - Kobe playoff avg 25.6 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 220. Lebron career efficency 27.1 PER (2nd only to MJ w/more than 700 games played) - Kobe career efficiency 22.9 PER. In conclusion, while Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron, Lebron still averages more points than him throughout his career in the regular season AND postseason. Lebron is a much better rebounder, facilitator, and passer compared to Kobe. While Kobe has double Lebron's All-Defensive teams, I'd still take peak Lebron's defense over peak Kobe's defense (2x DPOY runner up to 1x 3rd place finish). Lebron is the more versatile player, can play any position, and plays the game textbook perfect. I really don't even see an argument for Kobe over Lebron since Lebron has put up better numbers than Kobe in every major statistical category (pts/reb/ass/steals/blocks) on MUCH MUCH better efficiency. Thats the literal definition of a "better player".
Well considering how you don't really have a response to my arguments other than "blah blah blah", I think I can safely say that your opinion is wrong. Also, I don't "hate" Kobe. Just because I'm not a blind Kobe stan does not mean I hate him.@@Therealtre
The best example of this is when Kobe had to lead the u.s. Olympics team to victory and taught them how to win. (Shoutout to Duncan and Wade who were also proven winners before 08 and before lebron for dwade specifically) Kobe > easily
Agree...but one of my great sports regrets (what ifs) is LeBron NOT choking in the 2009 and 10 playoffs so the entire planet could have gotten a NICE look at Kobe demolishing Lebron in the finals. Would have really made these conversations easier today...
@@StephonAllen-dn2uwIk you didn’t just bring up “chocking” while mentioning lebron’s meltdown in 2011 and the fact that he had to get a superteam to win 💀 Y’all need better arguments
@@zaiah1215 Mavericks 4-0 swept yo boy friend Kobe Bryant who had home court advantage and favorite in series and couldn't win 1 game in 2011 playoffs kiddo
I think the fact that kobe had to face down the duncan spurs, year after year and he still scraped out 5 rings is a testiment to his greatness. cause duncan took 5 as well, basically playing in overlapping careers. think about that. 2 guys in the same conference for the same period of time (late 90's to mid 10s) and in that we'll call it 15 years... they collected 10 of the 15 championship up for grabs between them.
The Lakers and Spurs owned the West before the rise of the Warriors. From 1999 to 2014 only the Mavericks in 2006 and 2011 and the Thunder 2012 got to the NBA Finals from the Western Conference.
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on teams championship Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan and LeBron finals mvps and best players on all they teams championships unlike Kobe 🐐 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 5. Larry Bird 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history not top 10 player all time That's why Bleacher report has him #14
@KennyDays-wy9wt But like the man said Kobes 2 came with far less help than LeBbay and even Jordan's so his are worth 3 of theirs. So Kobe 6 Jordan 6 LeBaby 4
@@blackdynamiteSJC Havlicek 8 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen better player then Kobe if having better team finals record and more team accomplishments rings means better player Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings which you forgot to mention 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on Lakers 3peat Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,531 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
@@blackdynamiteSJC Havlicek 8 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings Pippen better player then Kobe if having better team finals record and more team accomplishments rings means better player Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings which you forgot to mention 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best player on Lakers 3peat Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,531 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships You got Kobe D ick on yo lips
Thank you for this video mate 🔥 I knew I wasn’t the only who’s been seeing mainstream sport media disrespect Kobe, crazy cause they damn well wouldn’t say shit to his face 🤡🤡
"It's like who is the better comedian: Kobe = Katt Williams, objectively better at the craft. Kevin Hart = LeBron, propaganda machine, false narratives, leaves the room when Katt arrives/passes the ball when Kobe plays '1v1' defense.".
I saw a clown talking about "Kobe is in that Tim Duncan tier", but Tim Duncan was better than Lebron, too 😂 I know these clowns want to cut in line so bad but the head to head between tim Duncan and Lebron is 2-1 for Duncan in the finals, and it would've been 3-0 if Ray Allen didn't bail out Lebron's entire legacy 😂
LeBron is the face of everything the league is trying to correct -Building superteams. The league has set rules in place for this not to happen -Flopping. The league is now given out technical fouls for flopping -Load managing. LeBron is on the mt Rushmore for load managing Hes done nothing but took competition out, made losing acceptable and quitting on your team
Exactly. And his fans call it player empowerment. The player who was all about player empowerment was Oscar Robertson. He and a few others put their careers on the line for players to get paid more. Lebron didn't do player empowerment. All he did was cheat the game by taking pay cuts to play with the best players while also holding teams hostage with his player option deals. Then you wonder why teams have a hard time getting good free agents
I appreciate every player who has given their heart and soul to the game. We all have our favourite players. Just enjoy each player and stop arguing man... kobe should be a reminder to everyone that life is short! All of these guys in the conversation of the goat are unreal athletes who we can only dream of how it feels to play like them!
The debate ended years a go when Lebron lost more finaks than he won with more help than any other player in history. Itsnt a coincidence almost legends players and fans still sayin Kobe is over lebron , including Lebrons teammates that played with prime Lebron like Wade,Bosh and Irving.
I like where your head is at 🙏 ❤️ 🐍. While I recognize Jordan as THE GOAT, the best player I have personally ever seen (born in the mid 80s) is Kobe Bryant. And he’s number 2 on my All time list. A razor thin 2 to MJ.
I think most of us have no problem where Kobe is placed on the all time list as long as it’s not behind Lebron. Bron is all time at putting himself in the perfect situations to win his titles. I woulda actually respected him more if he had stayed with the Heat and rebuilt with a great coach and great organization around him. But no he needed to shortcut and hand pick his way to titles
@@Mrgiftedsoul one of which was Kyrie, and one of which was used to acquire Kevin Love in a trade. So like I said Lebron went to whatever situation allowed him to play with star players.
@@Shockkings0714 more defensive first teams and most points scored in a single game higher single season ppg average and 5 rings Lebron will not ever tie or get that as the main guy I don’t even count the 2020 nba finals as a legit ring
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
@@KennyDays-wy9wtand here's another robot, that cannot think for them self, got to follow bleach report, which is the stupidest thing ever, but you did forget LeBron has the most turnovers ever, 6 NBA championship losses, the most NBA championship game losses since 1964, LeBron can never be true to a team or a teammate and LeBron does not care about his fans, but let's not really forget, LeBron is the only NBA player to ever need to beg for respect😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡 media.tenor.com/nLVYrS5ZX9MAAAAM/i-want-my-damn-respect-lakers-championship.gif
A thing people often leave out that matters to me for whatever reason. The only dudes I ever emulated growing up were Jordan and Kobe because they were both so damn smooth to watch. Lebron looks like a 18 wheeler barreling down the highway while they were both poetry for the eyes.
you didn't try to do what LeBron did because no one in the history of basketball can. he's a unique talent with a wide skillset and is one of the most athletic players to ever play the game. in his peak he could play and guard any position from 1-5. its not because you didn't want to run and dunk and shoot like bron, its because you couldn't.
@@user-cf4sc7gp7f unlike you casual Lebron fanboys, I don't need to have some goon sportswriter to tell me what to think. I actually know basketball unlike you non hooping clowns
before we can even have this conversation, an important aspect is that things that le-media uses to detract from kobes legacy/place in the nba greats, is completely ignored or explained away through excuses for lebron(not using the same standard for both players, a.k.a double standard). mainly turnovers, shots missed and HELP. for Turnovers: lebron(#1) @ 1455 games has 5078 TO's, kobe( #5) @ 1346games has 4010 TO's. ( To equal lebron kobe would have had to play 109 more games average 9.79 turnovers for all of them. also stockton @ 1504games has 4244 TO's) kobe TO's : "he's a ball hogg and an absolutely selfish player" lebron TO's: "He's the primary/only real ball handler so its only natural" for shots missed(yes kobe's missed alot and it not great) kobe(#1): 14.481k missed in 1346games--> "he's just a high volume high risk shot taker unwilling to let anyone else on the team get sufficient attempts" lebron(#2): 14.179k misses in 1455games --> "he's the only legitimate scoring option/ he has to shoot alot bcz no one else is doing enough/he has no choice" HELP: there are basically 2 main equations applied in terms of both impact/contribution to wins and as player individually. shaq>>>>>>>>>(wade+bosh+ad+kyrie+k-love+dwight+haslem+ray-allen+caruso+rondo) OR (shaq+pau)>>>>>>>>>>>>>(wade+bosh+ad+kyrie+love+dwight+haslem+ray- allen+caruso+rondo) there's also a silent yet now universally agreed upon pre-qualifier in these debates in the media( mainstream &players podcasts) that (wade+bosh+ad+kyrie+love+dwight+haslem+ray-allen+caruso+rondo) were all past their prime(tru fr some), were all carried by lebron(regular &post season), lebron was the main reason they won, they were all lower-IQ players that needed lebrons 4-D chess to become better and win, lebron made them all infinitely better players, they owe credit in their legacies to lebron but not the other way round. point of this post is not to hate on any player, its just to point if ANY NUMBER of players of similar caliber have any SIMILAR NEGATIVE ASPECTS to their game(all players do), then it HAS TO BE that they be considered in the same way for all those being discussed.
Can you imagine the amount of hate Kobe would have received if he didn't went to three straight finals without Shaq and winning two of them back to back.Crazy! Kareem only won one title without Magic not only that he struggled to get back to the finals before Magic came along.
Kareem and Magic also had James Worthy, who is in the HOF. In addition, they had Bryon Scott, Michael Copper, and Kurt Rambis. Granted, they were not HOF plsyers, but they were awesome role players. The 80s Lakers were stacked. I just find it funny that ever other player gets a pass for having another great teammate or teammates, excpet Kobe. It's always "he was carried by Shaq."
I respect brons game accordingly however Kobe has always been my guy. But I truly love watching you dismantle the narrative surrounding brons mid legacy
Honestly it all comes down to Kobe v LeBron. I grew up in the 90s but really started studying the games in the 2000s. Kobe was EASILY the best player in the world, winning titles and LeBron was somehow ALREADY getting thrown in those conversations. From right around 2007 and running till right around TODAY, for the life of me, I will never understand the consensus of LeBron being put over Kobe. I know what my eyes have told me. I watched all of their careers in totality.
@@skap_attack wdym somehow? LeBron blows Kobe out of the water stats wise. PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, etc. Overall points, Kobe was also statistically the WORST shot taker in NBA history with the most MISSED shots in NBA history. I feel like people also put Kobe super high in the top 10 when they don't look at the facts.
@@skap_attack lol are you sure you can watch? LOL One more ring with 15 ppg, less mvp, less fmvp, less finals run, less at everything besides all defense team altough Kobe never was top5 at dpoy, Bron was dpoy runner etc. Kobe never shoot over %47, Bron' career was over %50. Even at scoring Bron scored better. How could you think Kobe better? LOL
@@mustafamete656715 Ppg. Such a convenient take, to ignore the pacers intentionally injuring Kobe in game 2 to have a chance, and Kobe playing 3 games on that injured ankle. But 15 Ppg 😂 you fucking dweeb
Even Lebron being top 5 is debatable. No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list. 4-6 in the finals. Has the record for most games lost in the finals in NBA history. While playing most of his career in the weak East and with super team after superteam. Also has been swept in the finals TWICE! And as far as mastering the game of basketball, LeBron has never been in the top 10 of most skilled players in the league in any year that he's been considered the best player in the league. His skill set is limited compared to many other greats. I can go on and on. No player with that many faults should be sniffing the top five. And stats without context are meaningless. Jordan, Kobe, Kareem, Bird, Magic, then the rest.
I agree completely. LeBron can be in the second grouping of 5 somewhere between 6-10 along with Wilt. Another statistical entity that was 2-4 in the Finals. I mean, Jerry West isn't even considered top 10. His statistical averages are nearly identical for his career as compared to Lebron. He went to 9 finals in his 14 year career. UNFORTUNATELY, he was 1-8 in the finals and WINNING MATTERS. At least it always did until this loser era we currently reside in.
@@skap_attack Agreed. And there have been other players with crazy stats that have not been considered top five or even top 10. Like Karl Malone. He had been second place in the most points scored in their careers for a very long time behind Kareem. But just because he scored that many points , which again was because of longevity, he was still not considered to be top 10 in most people's eyes. But now LeBron fans want to say LeBron is the goat because he scored a lot of points based on longevity like Kareem and Malone did? Delusional. And again stats are meaningless without context.
@@skap_attack Kobe vs Lebron Age 22 vs Tim Duncan LeBron James averaged 22.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 6.8 assists in 4 games in the 2007 NBA Finals. Lebron swept 4-0 Kobe Bryant averaged 33.3 points, 7.0 rebounds and 7.0 assists in 4 games versus the Spurs in the 2001 Western Conference Finals. Kobe wins 4-0 "i think he's the best player in the league by far" - Shaq 2001 (post kobe 48pts 16 rebounds vs kings and next game 45pts on spurs) Hand checking was still allowed in 2001 but not in 2007 lol
Its crazy how people give LeBron props for beating the spurs and then make excuses for him loosing to them , but never mention Kobe had to fight them for 20 years 😂
It doesn’t matter how difficult your road to the Finals is. Just breeze through the playoffs and meet a tough team in the finals and you get an immediate pass to lose.
What im saying man Kobe was the best period. Everybody growing up playing ball back then wanted 2 be like the Mamba he learned from all the greats he took from all the og goats and worked it into his game somehow y he was so great n so deadly
Remember that Kobe has a winning record against Duncan in the playoffs and unlike Duncan he was able to defend his championships and repeat. Yet they still say the 2000s were Duncan’s era….
We make excuses for Kobe as well. When he got drafted and came off the bench made excuses. When Shaq left the made excuses about his teammates. After he tore his Achilles we made excuses.
The icing on the cake was just days ago, Lebron didn’t wanna speak to the media after getting blown out at home against a Jimmy Butler-less Miami Heat. Such a loser mentality. No matter what, you should always stand by your team and take credit for the losses as much as the wins. LeCrybaby never wants to shoulder any blame, cracks under pressure every time. I cant think of anybody in the top 10 ever having this issue. Only Lebron.
the thing is, we'll forgot that before kobe became the face of the lakers, it was shaq all along. You can never put a dude who wasn't the alpha of his team or the main man of his team for his 3 straight rings as a goat. kobe is not him, I can even take td over him
It's also important to note that before the Gasol trade, Kobe had the Lakers rolling and looking like a championship contender. The trade only came after Bynum got hurt. The most likely scenario if Bynum stays healthy is that the Lakers make a trade for veteran bench depth or nothing at all. Gasol came to a team that was already playing like a contender. And what was their biggest roster move prior to the season? Derek Fisher...Not some other big name all-star
I swear people keep forgetting this. It’s why I rolled my eyes when Brian Windhorse and all them were saying that Pau Gasol saved Kobe’s legacy. Gasol was a very skilled and smart player but cmon… Jesus Christ.
And, how many of Shaqs points, were a direct result of Kobe’s playmaking and assist to Shaq? Including that dunk against Portland in that epic comeback. How about this thought… Maybe Kobe could have played 22 seasons, if he wasn’t carrying 350 pounds of Diesel for those years they played together.
F yeah bro, F yeah. Pure truth! Kobe disrespect has always been rampant. First in his early career it was bc he came in too close to Jordan's time and media that loved Jordan were not ready to compare the two in any way so he was criminally underrated by the media. Then later when he was just starting to get some love Lebron came in and the media wanted to make him the next big thing and needed to remove Kobe from the conversation to make Jordan vs Lebron a thing. So now again he is criminally underrated. I watched his entire career from first game to last and no one I have ever seen has compared to him except Jordan. I have Jordan 1, Kobe 2 though my favorite player is Kobe. Bron, though a great players is not really close to them for me.
Jordan in 13 years: 9 all defensive awards with a defensive player of the year. Kobe in 20 years: 12 all defensive awards Lebron James in 21 years: 6 all defensive awards Yet I am to believe Lebron James was overall better because of his defense? Why is no one mentioning this?
@@syzorst Uhhhh, probably because he's been playing for 21 years now. Its based on the number of minutes played. Cumulative stats always makes you look good.
@alfasiger4178 What? Kobe had played longer than Hakeem Olajuwon and yet Hakeem is higher in defensive win shares than Kobe. Defensive win shares is not accumulative stats. 🤣
@@syzorst It is based on time played. Hakeem was better defensively than Kobe. Thats why he has better win shares. Do you not know how the stat is calculated?
@alfasiger4178 it's goes by the formula of marginal defense/marginal points per win. One of the main reasons why Kobe's defensive win shares are not so high is because during the later half of his career, his help defense was suspect and he would blow defensive assignments and took far too many risk which costed his team games. Saying Kobe is a better defender than Lebron simply because he has more defensive teams is weak because again, by this logic you would say Kobe is a better defender than Hakeem because he has more than Hakeem.
Ofc he is Bron only won when he left his 60+ win team to join perennial all stars to try to out talent the competition. Bron closer to KD than Kobe tbh
Bleacher report top 50 best NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson 6. Shaq O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Bleacher report got Kobe #14 PPG: LeBron RPG: LeBron APG: LeBron SPG: LeBron BPG: LeBron FG%: LeBron 3pt%: LeBron FT%: Kobe TS%: LeBron PER: LeBron WS/48: LeBron VORP: LeBron MVP's: LeBron FMVP's: LeBron Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2) LeBron better player then Kobe Field goal% LeBron 50.5%✔️ Kobe 44.7% Points scored career LeBron 39,380✔️ (1st all time) Kobe 33,643 LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Total 3pointers made LeBron 2,327✔️ (7th all time) Kobe 1,827 Total Steals career LeBron 2,227✔️ (9th all time) Kobe 1,944 Total Blocks career LeBron 1,093✔️ Kobe 640 Defensive win shares LeBron 79.53✔️ Kobe 50.66 Assists Leader LeBron 1✔️ Kobe 0 Career highs Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record Career highs LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters LeBron 5✔️ Kobe 1 2010 NBA finals Game 7 Lakers 83 Celtics 79 Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points 2013 NBA finals Game 7 Heat 95 Spurs 88 LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2011 NBA playoffs Mavericks 4 Lakers 0 Kobe got swept with home court advantage and favored to win series LeBron 16-6 wins owns Kobe in 22 career meetings Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in NBA history isnt even top 9 player all time
The dumbest comment of all time because when he joined the heat it wasn’t a super team wade was already getting old. Bron has 4 finals mvp on 4 rings dumbass
It’s crazy to me how people mention Kareem when it comes to being over Kobe all time and than saying he got carried by Shaq… Kobe in his worst title run still was by far the second most important piece of the team who still was the one to clutch up the most important games when Shaq got hack a shaqed, while Kareem literally was just an alright roleplayer towards their last titles. Even funnier when they say „he couldn’t do it without Gasol“… I mean you just explained that Gasol was basically a nobody who wouldn’t even dream to be a HoF if he didn’t player with Kobe, but what’s with Kareem? During his absolute prime (age wise), he only got one single championship with one of the most stacked teams ever in 71, not getting another single championship THE WHOLE CENTURY until another top 5 all time player joined him (and a bunch of HoFs along the way as well) yeah but Kobe was carried 😂 it’s really laughable how some criteria only apply to Kobe and Koby only
Kobe got carried by Shaq, when Shaq couldn't win until Kobe came into his own, and Shaq had Penny and the Magic, and 2 all star guards with Van Exel and Jones with the Lakers😂
I've got this feeling the NBA is going to implode this year, concerning LeBum and his media cronies. It's getting harder and harder for them to uphold their lies and narrative, as more and more people are getting fed up with them and getting louder and louder against LeFinished and his gang of stans. Looking forward to that moment.
Your videos are always good and I love your perspective that’s always different from the mainstream but I must admit this video is one of your greatest that I’ve seen. And I like them all…But, I can tell the extensive research and homework you do is unmatched. And it really shows in your videos/ narration. Keep up the good work! You will always have my subscription.
Media is so quick to point out that Kobe had Shaq, but they never bring up the fact that Lebum jumps from team to team just to win a ring. Mind you he had to team up with Wade to win his first ring. Let the late great Kobe ‘bean’ Bryant rest and give him his flowers. Lebum will never be on the same level as MJ and Kobe
Kobe also spoke multiple languages and is better educated, was much more humble putting Wilt as his GOAT, adoring MJ and trying to both mimic but also improve his game, learning from the greats and reading their books (like Bill Russel), and always pushing all day every day. Kobe's work ethic and love of basketball and his singular focus on basketball is legendary and will live well beyond his life. The media hated Kobe from the beginning and tried to smear him every chance they could. Kobe deserves his accolades, Shaq and MJ both miss him dearly and praise him and defend him highly, and his stats and records speak for himself. Kobe worked and trained hard, studied the game at an academic and in depth level, constantly watched and studied tape, studied individual players and learned how to guard them the best he possibly could, focused on his weaknesses, perfected his shot constantly, and knew his NBA history far bettet than the clowns in the media and the kids on social media now and respected and learned from the greats. So happy to see you defend and give Kobe his well deserved credit. I wish I gave him more while he was still with us because I was definitely a Kobe hater, but his achievements speak for themselves. Gone too soon but NEVER forgotten! #RIPBlackMamba
@@Millstreet12 Kobe had a higher overall IQ than Bron and that manifested itself on the court as per their turnover differential (the number one sign of basketball DECISION MAKING).
Its nice to have a real ANALYST out there that actually puts in the work and compares players under the surface. Keep it up and dont let them buy you out.
I love Kobe, he's my personal goat but this vid was a tad unhinged lol. I think there are legitimate arguments to make, he just did a really terrible job at making them 😂
Besides Kobe's greatness, it's always mesmerizing that so many of greatest feats by players are accomplished by only one other player which is Michael Jordan.
KD has made several cowardly decisions in the past & it's fair to criticize him for it BUT when it comes to respect for all the all time greats that came before him he's one of the most informed & enjoyable NBA personalities today. Unlike everyone else he seems to just appreciate good hoops without caring at all about what the media thinks or feeling the need to prop up his era as superior to all the others to boost his own legacy.
LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,440 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships
I can understand the case for Kareem over Kobe. I can. From a pure resume standpoint, it makes sense. For years I had Jordan and Kareem at 1 and 2 and Kobe at 3. As of late tho, I have begun moving Kobe above.
If the media wasn’t screwing Kobe of his league MVP awards he’d have 6 or 7 MVPs. No way you lead your team to the finals in 2008,2009, and 2010 and only receive 1 league MVP award. We all know if LeFake did that he would have won league MVP ALL 3 years. They gave it to him in 2009 and 2010 and he played in a weaker conference and still didn’t lead his team to the finals.
I totally agree with the main point and I also believe that Bryant belongs to the conversation much more than James does, though I just wanted to add that Pau Gasol was absolutely an all-time great caliber as well.
For sure. When Kobe and Michael played the game it had a electric feel to it. I feel that the NBA is going downhill cause of LeBron crying over a toe on the line and other crap he does.
@@emersontanega166 back to back champion and carried Shaq. Better than an MVP. Not like the league loved Kobe, the Chris Paul trade smh even d.wade and leflop teamed up to stop him. The peoples GOAT 4ever 24!
If Kobe or MJ have any sort of help, it diminishes their accomplishments because clearly they couldn't have done it without them. But, when it comes to LBJ, we can conveniently overlook the help he had and put him in the goat conversation. Gotta love the logic of the LBJQ+ community.
The only thing I had against Kobe was that jersey pull celebration. Sir, I don't need you trying to expose your nipple. Kobe held team and himself accountable, while also having insane work ethics.
