KOTOR2: LS Ending and Fortune Telling 

Its probably for the best considering Obsidians approach to designing video games.

+James Salvatore m8 what can anyone do with graphics in 2003 this is was 13 years ago m8

I like barrels nononono. I dont mind the graphics, sir. I criticise the story and how Obsidian made the mission design. I found it so bland and boring for longer than what is acceptable. Too much filler, too much backtracking, too much "Why am I here now? why couldn't I do cool stuff like in the 1st game?" Etc. My issue is Obsidians design approach.

They did absolutely amazing with Fallout New Vegas though. Keep in mind that they were under immense time pressure while making KOTOR 2. Obsidian would definitely be my first choice if i had to pick someone to develop a third game.

But that's for the best, would you like Bioware handling such a game? after Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age 2/3? or perhaps the atrocious writing in SWTOR isn't enough for you?

They would most certainly not be disappointed of Jango Fett. Praised as one of the greatest Mandalores of all time.

+hudscp First of all, wasn't Boba the Mandalore, not Jango? And second of all...I'm not sure what they'd think of him being a bounty hunter in the service of the Sith, given this KOTOR Mandalore's opinions on them. There's even an episode of the Clone Wars series where Obi-Wan mentions Jango to a Mandalorian official, only for the official to scoff at him.

XFanmarX Thats a big-fat *HELL-YEAH* to that bro

@@RikoZerame they scoff because they don't want to be involved by a violent man as they are peaceful now.

@@jakethesnake6398 If Canderous found out how the Mandalorians turned out in the clone wars, he'd bitchslap them all to their former glory

+tachikoma747 You can always download TSLRCM

+Balint Billinger That completes the gam tbh. Just download that. Obsidian put so much onto the disks knowing someone would restore the content. Stupid Lucas Arts making them release this for the Holidays. A game is done when it's done. There should never be a deadline.

NO. The restored content is pretty much not worth it. It adds some stuff, sure, but it's nowhere near the satisfaction its praisers promise. And sometimes, what it adds makes 0 sense whatsoever: for example Atton vs Sion - after the battle the game "acts" as it has never took place anyway. The m4-78 is very tedious, but it has a couple good moments that make it worth it (and, my god, the music is exceptionally beautiful), and the HK-factory would be awesome if not for the fact that you have to fight your way through waves and waves of enemies with weak HK-47, it takes forever, however the inner story and its consequences are pretty neat. /rant

All you is proper 100% energy and ion block, good upgraded blasters and rapid fire 3. Dialogs btween hk 47 and 50 is very good. Can catch few lols. Droid planet? Good. Not perfect, but good. By the way if Atton looses to sion you will get his death scene. It was worth. So much effort and work have been done, so you can' t just ignore it.

Anyone know the name of the music at this part?

@@zibikwitisc6892 Rebuilt Jedi Enclave

The final cutscene is a powerful thematic conclusion.

Beautiful scene, the score for both games are real heartstring tuggers.

+HPB 1998 Also, i'm guessing that the line at 6:19 is referring to Carth.

Rosh, I killed you every single godamn playthrough of Jedi Academy

@@illumi9044 :(

Then TOR comes out with a Sith Empire who basically uses machines and republic tech

At this point, it is left up to speculation. No, I do not count TOR. Lol

As long as Obsidian don't make it.

+James Salvatore dude kotor 2's story is 100x more poignant and meaningful than the turd that was the first game. Obsidian produced a much better game.

iflyte The fact that you say the first one was a turd renders your arguement completely irrelevant because the 2nd game was to very large degree based around what happened in the first game. Even areas and characters from the first game return in the 2nd. Thus making it "poignant and meaningful" I however disagree. I found Obsidians lack of experience, their inability to understand finesse and proper level design to destroy what is otherwise an okay and interesting story to a certain degree. But overall this game suffers from filler content and pointless moments that dont really add to the game but to keep you locked behind things for way too long. Where as the 1st game by Bioware was made with balance and story progression mixed with an even and fair amount of gameplay in mind. Creating stability between the two. Lots of story. Lots of gameplay. Satisfying ending, cool boss fights, satisfying romances and above all interesting characters that accompany you who you can even turn on and kill. In Kotor 2 I heard nothing since the start of the game about how I control everyone and they beg me to turn away from the dark side over and over. Characters aside from a few proved to be rather uninteresting and the fact that your ability to get Mira or the wookie depends entirely on your dark/lightside rating is annoying as hell (which cheats can solve ofc) And then there are the missions and their endless, overly long combat sequences that dont result in any overall " Ahhh HA!" kind of moment like when Revan defeated Malak. You had the epic entry, the epic fight and then the cool ending where you are the Nr 1 badass from a dark side point of view. Not to mention that extra cinematic bit where you learn about what happens now and even see Bastila and Revan assuming control. Its awesome. Yet in Kotor 2 you just shut up Kreia at long freaking last and then you just... move on. And the worst part is she even wants you to end her because she's all over the place in cryptic, endless, mind numbing blabbering in my opinion. Yes she had her moments...but overall I found her dry and boring not to mention painfully predictable. Overall these only add to what is the core problem. Being the level design and lack of finesse to the entire game. Story is too bland. Too much filler. Too boring locations that are but throw backs to the original but fail more than they succeed. And playing this game on higher difficulty will result in slowing down your progress thus resulting in you finding yourself stuck in very very boring space stations, devoid of life and interest for way...too...long. But yes. Like the other guys said. To each their own.

+James Salvatore Companions complaining about dark side was never big deal in Kotor 2 because it has influence system which guarantees that your companions you care about will go to dark side just like you while in original if you go dark side you are left with just canderous and droids everybody else will leave you or attack you .. Characters aren't interesting? Yea Smuggler inspired by Han Solo who was in Revans elite sith team capturing dozens of Jedi all by himself who then managed to escape the whole army and hide from them for years and having ability to resist mind control of best trained jedi and sith not interesting at all you would rather have Carth Onasi "the hero of the republic" who ran away from Revan who was about to murder his friend right? And you would rather have Bastila who keeps lecturing you about how dark side is bad and how her battle mediation is important and then converts in a single torture sessions which Jedi are trained to resist to dark side instead of Visas a blind sith apprentice with ability to see through force as a lone survivor of a planet consumed by Lord of Hunger. Or rather have Juhani a manly female cat who converted to the darkside in early padawan test but somehow later on for whatever reason becomes character with best light side alignment in your whole crew instead of Kreia who learned to manipulate with the force to the point that she lost her sight for not using it often enough and trained most powerful sith lords of the era. As to story I don't know why you hold story of original kotor so highly since "factory of limitless armies" is as cheap idea for plot as it gets. A 5 year old could come up with that. At least kotor 2 is innovative. Better gameplay? How? Kotor 1 doesn't even show you which containers have been looted, companions just eventually spill out their story now matter the relationship you have with them, you need to rehack every terminal you've already hacked and when you use force speed companions aren't even able to catch up. It also has ridiculously small level cap at 20 which pretty much ensures that if you do all side quests you won't be able to level up in mid-to-late game ..

That's exactly why I'm here

Lmao same for me, i was like "is that it?"

Same here, what a weird ending for such long game

@Football Mania You can't :( same here

That’s exactly why I’m here too. :/ great game, but the ending just wasn’t the satisfaction I was hoping for. I was hoping to maybe get one more small mission with all your crew members. Ah well 🤷🏻‍♂️

Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg it's good, but i can give you a long list of better ones. if you want.

島田与助 (Shimada Yosuke) all coming from Kreia or you are disillusioned

yoda quotes > kreia quotes. kreia spits out paragraphs. yoda can say a single sentence and it'll be remembered for decades.

What about the Revan reveal? That's definitely the best reveal after Vader telling Luke: "No. I am your father."

I am revan reborn and before me you are nothing

A Drunk Giraffe But she manipulated everyone except Revan and the Exile. She was only mentor to those two.

@Macabre Giraffe She was still evil and lost her way, in the end she became a villain

I've just finished it and was really disappointed. I was such a fan of Kotor, this writing felt poor. The final boss is 3 floating light sabres 😂

@@willmalin3752 u a dumb, son.

Will Malin back to fortnite with you

TwistedNIPZ 718 I've never played Fortnight...

Swtor is 3rd game. It shows those hidden siths. But butchers kotor, revan and exile

I'm still waiting for kotor 3

Fuck all that. Make knights of the old republic a movie

@@4markie still waiting for it :(

@@blake4770 same

***** It could also indirectly mean Boba who had an even more pathetic death. Granted it was han who did it, but Kreia doesn't seem to care who gives the final blow and rather whoever commands said person.

Andulin Ardenson He actually didn't die. He makes it out of the Sarlaac in the Legends EU and he's getting his own movie in a couple years so I assume he makes it out in the new canon too.

In a book with all the Bounty Hunters' stories in it (IG-88, Dengar, Bossk etc.) - Boba escapes and finds Han, but after a brief fight, they both agree to go their separate ways and let their feud die.

@@tylerharris7081 this aged well after the Mandalorian season 2

Actually if you played SWTOR you could see that they continued the story.

@@BooguyTheAdept to bad that game is just awful compared to this..

@@urekmazino6800 I don't agree. KOTFE and KOTET was a decent sequel, where actually Sith and Jedi had to work together.

@@BooguyTheAdept Not really because Kotor 3 would have you find ancient sith lords that were more powerful than the Darths.

That should have been the Sequel Trilogy's premise.

i dont want to play it yet but can u explain a bit on how the exile is dead?

yeshAlot It takes place in the Revan Novel, Revan discovers the true sith from the great hyperspace war and finds their empire but gets captured and tortured, the exile finds T3 and stops sion, kreia and nihilus then visits bastila and gets his mask and goes after him, finds him and frees him, they together try to take on the emperor like revan and malak did, but she died after getting stabbed in the back from a low ranking sith (that time, lord scourge (not darth yet) was just a foot soldier sith warrior and Revan got captured (again) and got put in stasis while the emperor fucked with his head for 300 years

sharangcool i dont think lord scourge was just a foot soldier in the book it is mentioned that he was a great warrior that ended several rebellions on the empire's frontier for that reason he was summoned by darth nyriss to investigate the assassination atempts and a lord of the sith is under dark lord but still more than just a common foot soldier

Also Revan beaten by a bunch of EMO Sith is ridiculous at best! Fuck and its lapdog Bioware! SWTOR IS UNCANON!

zieba a bunch of emo sith? it wasnt a bunch of emo sith 2 dark lords one mandalorian grand champion and a imp agent isnt a bunch of emo sith plus revan was in stasis for 300 years and my friend in cse you havent noticed before the final blow revan disapeers

mr little bro I assumed it was referencing the Prequel Trilogy.

yeah, I just can't wait for the day the empire wins and people realize good guys don't always win

It already happened and having the Empire winning makes no sense in the MMO. They'd have to lose eventually and besides what's wrong with good guys winning? I mean it really wouldn't make sense if they lost. I think we all realize the good guys don't always win but Star Wars isn't real life.

ig I was always an empire fan

I think most believed what Kreia foresaw was the fall of the Galactic Republic(EPisode III) and the Empire would be victorious around then. Makes sense.

Mike Giammarese and the fall of the new republic too

Still remember that music.... and i love the scene at 9:30 when the ebon hawk shows up :)

The Storm Troopers, by the time of the Rebellion, are made up mostly of conscripts and volunteers rather than clones. Palpatine decided to end the cloning process when the Kaminoans tried to rebel.

It's highly doubtful they will but if they do which we all want I'd love if the exile and Revan are in it and involved but party members no their legacy is complete but I'd love to see you work with them one way or another

+Pricefield It wouldn't just be computer this time since next gen consoles would be in the mix, not a surprise since KOTOR came out for the first Xbox too if I'm not mistake, though Disney making KOTOR non-canon presents a problem. On the bright side, both Bioware and Obsidian have expressed interest in making a 3rd game eventually

+Pricefield The War that Kreia talks about happends in The Old Republic and is known as The Great Galactic War, though it was executed poorly from what iv heard, everyone who loves Kotor 2 seems to only have negative things to say about TOR. It would be cool if they did a Kotor 3 which took place right after Kotor 2 where Revan and Meetra Surrik(The Exile) travels to the unknown regions and tries to stop the sith empire. And Obsidan themselves wants to do Kotor 3 but with EA having all rights to Star Wars games nowdays i doubt they will let Obsidian make Kotor 3. I'v heard that there is going to be a Kotor 1 remake though.

*Again!* Disney told Star War Legend or EU is no longer as Canon which means is not Star Wars anymore, no more movies, series, cartoon, games accrording to EU aka Legends. So no more KOTOR 3 Which kinda sucks so bad

+AeluronLightsong Why not a prequel? Like the Mandalorian Wars?

+Ross Tripi yes and play as malak !!

+C Flo "taking great games and ruining them"..You do know they made they first KOTOR right? Aside from what they did with TOR, which sucked, they have had some hits with Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Of course, 3's endings sucked but they redeemed themselves with DA's trespasser

+Ross Tripi Nah, prequels are nice for backstory but it's no fun playing a game where you already know what's going to happen in the end

That's kinda silly. There have been plenty prequel like games.

Yep and the mmo is garbage

Kreia isn't even in SWTOR, how could they ruin her?

Based Pepe I wish I could deny TOR's existence but I just can't

Cuco Manifestado Lol I do it everyday

Is it wrong that swtor's my favourite star wars game?

Well thats no longer Canon

A story where you take on a role similar to Scourge, where you can fight alongside Revan, fight against him or betray him.

Well his dead cause that game was made by Bioware, the Original Developer of KOTOR 1

Rocleod211 everything is better then the ending of mass effect 3

The Mass effect series all 4 Andromeda included is a perfect games, Mass effect 3s ending before and after the extended cut was a perfect ending in my opinion.

There is no such thing as a bad opinion or good opinion just an opinion.

I agree, and I honestly hate how Meetra's was handled in Revan's book. I despise that book

😂 now that's classic

TOR was the Prequel of KOTOR which is still Canon

​@markguardiana600 but it sucks unfortunately 😢

Boba, most likely.

I think it is Jango, he was the last Mando. Boba was a bounty hunter only

I think it refers to the clone soldiers in general, as jango is a mandolorian and the clone troopers are all clones of him, I.E. a shell of a man

Evgeny Sidagis boba fett has been retconned so many times that he has like, a dozen backstories, but he's mandalorian in arguably every single one of them and definitely in the current legends and cannon ones.

waldoman7 One problem.. The only true cannon of Boba are the movies, and they never said he was a Mando. In fact, his armor used to be unique, copying later the model for Mando armors.

Wrong about Vitiate failing btw. Kreia says in this very video that the Republic falls. One would interpret that as the sith win the war, we do not yet know anyway. That, and Vitiate isn't dead yet. There's a whole chapter still to come. It could end up being KOTOR 3.

SpeciousUsername Kreia said "the Republic will fall, as it always has, a fall that will take millennia." That's "millennia", i.e. many thousands of years. What she was referring to was the slow decay of the Republic over the millennia that lead to Palpatine's rise to power. Think about it; only 320ish years pass between this exchange and the Galactic War's initiation, which took place in 3642 BBY, after the Great Galactic and Cold Wars. The New Sith Wars began in 2000 BBY, and after that, every significant conflict up to the Clone Wars is historically accounted for. Vitiate's only window for overthrowing the Republic is between 3642 BBY and 2000 BBY, and the events between those two time periods show that the Republic was obviously intact. That would lead one to conclude that Vitiate lost the Galactic War, and we know he can't have re-risen after the Clone Wars because Plaguies confirms that he is dead in the Darth Plaguies novel.

Ah yes, my mistake good sir. Well played.

Vitiate would have been a great character if they had done him well, and i mean NOT A F****ING MMO!!! An MMO could never make a good story like kotor and still have the same feeling, and for the sake of balance, the Empire and the Republic are the exact same. Revan's Empire left the Republic in the edge of collapse, and the REMNANTS of his empire almost pushed it off the edge if not for one person (the Exile). They were building up this threat and this war that would be like nothing before, yet this empire is a weak thing with everyone vbeing usseless but yourself!!! That's the problem with MMO's you have to balance things, and you can't end a story due to "end game". WHY CAN't THEY JUST MAKE KOTOR III INSTEAD OF CALLING SWTOR KOTOR III, IV, ETC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Revan is pretty strong: he faced a powerful Sith sorceress and managed to send her spell back to her face, turning her to ashes

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+Norinia Not everyone. Death Watch and the Concord Dawn Protectors still exist in Canon. It's just that the Empire's taken over Mandalore, after a battle in the Clone Wars (The Siege of Mandalore was mentioned repeatedly in Rebels)

Revan is canon but that lore is not if it makes you feel better.

yeah it was unfinished sadly.

I have it it works fine (version 2.0.0.0)

Xbox or PC version? Either way I'm done with it.

Odbarc PC; the official disks

Odbarc I know right? ;) Cutscenes also tend to bug up from time to time, but i wanted to finish it so.. Some of the bugs are forgivable though, i mean the game is from 2006

Odbarc You, then have a bad game, mine works perfectly

Wow a year late but I gotta ask, is your profile pic that wood elf in Seyda Neen you return a magic ring to only to steal it back later?

yes yes

NarrowPhenom exactly. She wanted to claim revenge from both sides and make them both her bitch pretty much

Joseph Ramos actually she wanted to destroy the force

She was a Sith in the whole time

Yes, but the assholes at BioWare weren't happy that Obsidian made a complex story, so they, with Lucasarts, tried to retcon her into being "Just a Sith" and always having been evil, when she was so, so, so much more.

+james collins It`s a mod dude

durp

It's a mod

She had every idea of how right she was

Felt the same thing, still want to know what happened to my handmaiden and my visas

You can if you choose pick the ending where you made Revan a woman and not a guy, that's how they linked the two games, in the first dialogue with Attin

In the novel and in the Old Republic game, it shows and states that he's clearly a man. Just like how the Exile is apparently a woman. Also, history says that that Revan had a child with Bastila Shan, which is why they say that Satele is Revan's descendant, he wouldn't have been able to do that if he was a woman.

No, it's like Bioware likes to do, where If you played KOTOR 1 where say you made Revan a woman, you can acknowledge that you did so and agree with Attin when he called Revan a woman, though you can also just follow the lore and correct Attin in the Peragus Facility and let him know that Revan was a guy.

There's still the novel that says he is a guy. Also, if you search him up, you will see that he is a man.

And like a I said, Satele Shan is his descendant and it started when he had a child with Bastila, he wouldn't have been able to do that if he was a woman.

Well that game was made by Bioware and Bioware was the Developer of KOTOR, so thats really the story of Revan and Exile

In Kotor I you can be a female or a male, since this carries on the events from that game Revan's gender is again unspecified.

You can choose the gender of Revan on Peragus.

Yea it's a quick conversation with Atton and he says something about Revan and who they are and you can interject and say something to the affect of you're wrong Revan was a female etc and whether or not they returned to their darkside ways or was redeemed. I played KOTOR II first before KOTOR I and didn't get it till I played the first game and understood that.

I feel the same with this game. After all these years it's still one of my absolute favorites. ❤️