Kreia Predicts the Future (Dark Side) 

That's because it's the end of the game and this serves as the conclusion of various subplots. If it were in the early part of the story it would be cryptic in order to not spoil the story so to speak.

I mean even her describing men wearing Mandalorian armor who are too easily slain (3:36) was a perfect prediction of Jango Fett's death.

@@ZacElCapitan this game came out after episode II

@@Loganjlr Kotor predates the original trilogy

@@MileenasDentist Tf no, KOTOR predates only maybe Revenge of the Sith, KOTOR 2 is after it I believe.

Yeah, i feel like onderons fate was actually better than the light sude ending

Dantooine's dark side ending seems to make more sense for the original trilogy -it is just an old, jedi relic world, that the rebels makes a ase on. Eventually abandoning it ao the Empire won't find them.

The planetary darkside endings I like are Tilos and Onderon. They serve as a way to show us the true meaning of balance.

@@VaciliNikoMavich what?

@@larniieplayz6285 In episode 4, the rebels had a base on Dantooine that they abandoned. Princess Leia tells Vader and Tarken about it (after it is abandoned) so that they won't destroy Aalderan. I think what he's saying is that the dark side ending for Dantooine fits this more. Instead of a thriving community honoring the memory of the Jedi enclave, it's a place of hermits and nomads. A place where an ancient Jedi relic once stood, long abandoned and forgotten. A place the rebels used as a decoy to hide their real base.

Man, I hate how SWTOR handles that

A KOTOR 3 with the exile and Revan fighting the Sith in the line of Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, etc still needs to be written by someone competent. I dont care if its not Canon, and I dont care if it is a book, comic series, show, or game. I just need that story, and not the SWTOR version.

@@90thomasmercer In addition, I don't like how the Revan book brainwashed Revan and Malak turning them into sith lords. The KOTOR games handled it well by them falling during the wars and Malachor being the final push.

I'm waiting as well. KOTOR 3 must be completed.

@@90thomasmercer AMEN brother! Idc if it's Bioware, Obsidian, EA or Disney, they must create a KOTOR 3 exactly as you said.

True - for me, i prefer DS fate of Telos and Onderon more than LS.

Which makes sense since he’s one of the few characters where you cannot influence his alignment. He always stays on the dark side.

​@@24pagedown I'm fairly sure you can. The last time I played, I did a charisma build and got Canderous to the light side in just two influence gains. Granted, I was running the restored content mod, so that might have broke it. Side note: Charisma is busted as hell.

Because Revan looks like a tall guy with black hair, and bleeding scars from stupid masks that come with stupid capes. Surik (as a man) is a bald-headed, yet overly brilliant swordsman. Very humble (not like a Gand), near-superhuman, killed many (such as Nihilus, Sion, Vaklu, Azkul, etc), although he doesn’t like to talk about it.

She didn’t even say that sped

@@SugarCaine1 ?...she did, she just spoke it in such a noble way that you can't understand "sped"

KOTOR Mandalorians are on the level of Space Marines. By the end of the Legends timeline, they're easily taken out by Stormtroopers.

@@HolyknightVader999 but stormtroopers in legends is not Disney stormtrooper who can't make one step aside from giant rock. Regular (not elite) stormtroopers are pretty good soldiers in legends, not slaughter machines, but good troops.

@@user-ny8gk8yo3f Legends Stormtroopers are the same as OT Stormtroopers who only miss when told to.

As obi wan would say: you become the very thing you swore to destroy

Right before my Hanharr died, he acted like Mira by saving Surik.

@@theblade1251 Precisely

Kiera: mace window trying to kill you! Jango fatt: l didn't believe you! Later jango fatt killed by mace

A tv show in which Mandalorian focuses on armor and weapons and has forgotten the legacy that granted his people so much glory in the past. A poor example of a true Mandalorian.

Barone 888 sounds like a fallen culture to me

@@theblazingcrusader6322 Not a perfect one but a culture that had its positive moments and ideals. THEY should have explored their story.

Her predictions only fit for the legends timeline so no Disney star wars really fits those prophecies

Lior Papismedov what do you call Order 66? Canon, she was correct What do you call the Mandalorian, Clone Wars and Rebels TV shows? Canon She was correct, some things she was referencing are now non canon yes but at the same time there is nothing saying they didn’t happen besides Disney I follow the idea that if it goes against the new canon then it’s not canon, but if there’s nothing explicitly saying it didn’t happen, then it happened The only time I don’t follow this is with Luke Skywalker, Ben, and everyone else Fuck the sequel trilogy, it ain’t canon mate

She doesn’t crave such.... titles

@@Ghidorah96 lol

Dude if they did a live action, she would be next to Sidious

@@gyiregory8507 Kreia would look down on Palpatine with undisguised contempt while Palpatine fearfully plots tae kill her.

"You have failed me, Exile. Completely and utterly."

Any other noteworthy roles she has under her resume? I really need to see more of her performances?

@@sambridgers9543 She's more of a classical theater actress.

@@sambridgers9543 Zardoz

@@sambridgers9543 - "So What?" from Cabaret. She also voiced the audiobook "The Mill on the Floss".

Sam Bridgers She was Teresa in fable two but that performance is nothing like this one

When did she say this and in reference to what?

@@malachiphoniex8501 I don't know whether Kreia actually said this or not, but it's a clear reference to General Grievous, who killed Jedi and collected their lightsabers to add to his collection during the Clone Wars era. The soulless army refers to all the droids under his command, although he led living, breathing troops as well. Most of them were droids, though.

General grievous

In my opinion she is.

You can thank Chris Avelonne for that :) he is really talented game story writer.

I hated her when I played at the age of 14, I knew she was manipulating me. Replaying it now ohhh how I love her. She is the best imo.

Up and high

Never from disney

closest to kotor 3 you're ever gonna get it the MMO

@@shinra6913 *Then that's the same as not having KotoR 3.*

@@DanSlotea

Hopefully the saga after the Skywalkers is the revan saga

This is a solid theory about why Kreia doesn’t like him. I suppose I never really noticed it before. While Atton is a ‘fool’ compared to Kreia, the similarities are undeniably there. Good observation.

It's not the only time star wars went beyond light vs dark, but it is one of the most mainstream times.

@@DatAsuna true theirs alot of those moments in legends

I guess it’s the storytelling freedom that comes with the fact that this is set like 3000 years before the Phantom menace. Even if things go to shit with the sith winning. A lot can happen in 3000 years

I saw someone say the Light Side ending can lead to the EU Canon and said that the Dark Side ending can lead to Disney Canon.

Thanks man. It's a great game. An important game if you ask me. It should be preserved.

@@PapitoQinn Make a time capsule and bury it with this game in it. There's no guarantee we'll be able to keep things like this around.

@Mocita Truth

Battlefront 2 is good now, really try it. They redeemed themselves in my opinion

Yeah but Fallen Order and Battlefront 2 are really good. Some of the best Star Wars games.

@@Golompwkapciu *After humiliating and destroying Luke Skywalker?*

What good game that linear jedi story where you don't use force lightning force choke or any of the cool force moves And have absolutely no decision or duality between light and dark like the whole series was built around...nah I'll pass kira and play kotor 1 and 2 as my only star wars games

Oh god

Hahahaah YES

... Dyad

Kathleen Kennedy

Surik is basically a Force-sensitive Tarkin, who blew up Alderaan.

Bogart Gaming & Tech Yes yes and yes

Hk-47

It would anger about 80 % Of KOTOR 2 fans because it wouldn't be their Exile and they'd cut too much content.

A series would explore much more than a movie.

Kotor 2 is better as a game. It's the hole it was made for.

@Gus Gang Try the Loganverse and Darth Ycey. They are your best bet.

@@KCCOmug *What are you talking about? He said NON-Disney version - everyone (with a brain) would be happy then.*

so you play the game the same for 10 times?

@@MrWeenuk21 Kind of, I guess? :D

@@MrWeenuk21 Pretty sure I did 10 times or somewhere along those numbers. That game has an amazing replay value that most game nowadays can't get unless its an online game. This game had many dialogs, builds, choices, concecuences... Imma go play it again wtf

Reven's light side ending is Canon, so his days of back stabbing are over technically.

Alexandar von Carstein Zarovich Excellent

"Aww yeah... It's all coming together" MEME INTENSIFIES*

I don't get the reference can someone explain?

Silent Shadow Rey. It was pretty clear.

That fucking Mary Sue.

Is this true ?

Thanks, I like it too. Although I may have made it too quiet.

Papito Qinn Nah I think it was loud enough. You don’t want it to be too loud so it’s hard to hear what Kreia was saying

What is the song?

@@hnlong8531 Part of gra'tua cuun from Star Wars Republic Commando I believe.

@@armaan1091 thanks 👍

Thanks, Frank!

gunfighter you do realise that you gave a better story idea than the current directors of Star Wars, right?

That would be really cool it would be the like the Canon version of keria even though she wouldn’t have the same name and her philosophy would be slightly different but that sounds like a very interesting Star Wars movie maybe a series? I feel like a Star Wars story in which there’s someone manipulating both sides would have to last longer than one, two hour movie, and she couldbasically be like the Darth sedious of the gray Jedi or not even gray at all just someone who is a powerful force user and has extensive knowledge and first hand experience of dealing with and even may have been a Jedi and or a Sith at some point and has studied the code of each very carefully and sees that neither side is right or true and that they must be destroyed because of how flawed they are and these flawed teachings have gone on for long enough... yeah I like the way this sounds... probably because it’s just KOTOR 2 lol

GinoMarks Yeah I also thought this character would hold not hatred of the Jedi but a great amount of distrust because I heard in the legends history the Jedi have destroyed or conquered other light or gray aligned orders and how they would rather hold knowledge instead of sharing it with the galaxy. The character would understand trying to prevent dangerous knowledge from falling into the wrong hands but selfishly preserving them because certain things go against your beliefs or not allowing those deemed too dangerous to go through challenges or sacrifice to learn is foolish. When seekers see the things that must pay or go through for their knowledge they crave maybe it’ll change them for the better about what they do, reinforce them into a stronger person, or embed them to their beliefs. The fact the Jedi hides knowledge and would prevent others from learning certain things they would see as hypocritical because at least with the Sith it’s expected to fight each other m, steal one, or destroy another secrets for strong thing yourself which they do view has foolish but sensible. The Jedi however has more of a history of destroying things that could be great teachings to future generations which they deem to be even more foolish.

gunfighter now see that would be a very interesting and mature and different take on Star Wars, fan fic or not that just sounds good pre-Disney Star Wars was getting to a point ware like KOTOR 2 it was challenging what you believe in and exposing the Jedi and showing you that they’re not as high and mighty as they think they are and also that the Sith are not as evil as you think they are that it’s not a battle of good versus evil it’s a battle of belief what do you believe in how do you think the force should be used what are your views on the galaxy? as a matter of fact I remember a line where the exile says “this was never about power it was about belief” Disney really should make something like this something that would blur the lines between good and evil Jedi and Sith and shows you that it really is just different philosophies and then someone in the middle showing both philosophies that they are not the only and true way that they think they are. stories like the exar kun arc Kotor 2 force unleashed ravens arc anakins story qui-gon being viewed as a gray just because he didn’t blindly fallow the Council he had he’s own beliefs and opinions. These are all really good story arcs you get to see the fine details of how each order operates. But I really feel like Disney wouldn’t make something like this It’s too thought provoking it’ll ruin the image of “Jedi good sith bad” and with them in charge a lot of kids have come to Star Wars and they have to uphold that image and that picture of “good always wins” they won’t make something that complicated and deep. But either way your on to something dude and just know that you’re not alone in wanting something more complicated and mature from Star Wars

Made the hair stand up on my neck, mate

Yes

It's a real deal bruh moment HK

Statement: Bruh.

@@phyre596 ^This

@@phyre596 Was thinking this lol

Obsidian had a reputation back then of elevating franchises. First with Neverwinter Nights 2, then KoTOR 2, and then New vegas.

@@PapitoQinn let's just hope they can do as well now with their sequel to outer worlds and that elder scrolls esque game they're making.

@@Darth234Ravenous Fingers crossed. Microsoft is backing them. That could be a double edged sword.

@@PapitoQinn I have to ask. Well that game be Xbox exclusive or is it going to be multi-platform with exclusive content for the Xbox?

@@Darth234Ravenous No idea. We have to wait and see.

Glad to hear that man. Time is indeed our most valuable resource. I'm glad that I'm giving more people a chance to experience this amazing story.

Telos and Onderon you stated my reasons already

Thanks, I do my best to use the music to full effect.

Thanks, Tori. And don't worry about it. We all gotta do what we gotta do.

@@PapitoQinn question how did you achieve visas and nar shadda dark side future. I did a dark side playthrough but I never achieved it?

@@CryonicCy Well, I didn't kill her. And she was dark side when I brought her back to her chamber on the Ravager.

@@PapitoQinn what about nar shadda dark side future?

The writing is equally as important as giving a great performance and BOTH delivered on both fronts. This is just GOLD and I am afraid we will probably never get another great thing like KOTOR 2..

Oh, man... I never finished Neverwinter Nights.

For me, these are the best choices too.

Its ad but we are probably never going to get a character like Kreia ever again.

davidtburr all his other versions of this were the light side version. Just look up more of his videos and you’ll find it

Kirklord2 thank you

She didn't want to kill her. Were you not paying attention? She would have allowed the entire galaxy to die in order to protect her. She was just trying to prepare her for the journey ahead.

(Busts out 3 lightsabers) YOUR ENTIRE PARTY HAS BEEN KILLED.

She was once a Jedi

@@ROCKINRIZZLE And both Sith too.

Oh that kinda nullifies my comment. Should've looked more into it

As if it wasn’t a ruse to draw out Surik.

@@ABFan-bj2uj It wasn't. Surik came back on her own accord not even knowing that almost every jedi were killed. She was looking for her to test the theory, that life can exist without the force. She knew that she survived being cut off from it, but she wanted at least one other. That is why she sought Surik.

@@akuladoctor7355 Perhaps. Perhaps not. I believe destroying the Force was merely a ruse to draw out Surik and the others. *My* Kreia posed as Darth Traya, not reassume the title of Darth Traya.

@@ABFan-bj2uj If you played the game, then you can learn, that nobody knew her plan until the very end. Not even her own former apprentice. A bait that nobody can sense is hardly a good one. Plus at the beginning of the game Surik were cut off from the force. Meaning that Traya could have done anything with the force Surik won't give a shit.

@@akuladoctor7355 Perhaps. But Kreia is Gray, not Dark Side.

I think most of this community miss it too.

No, the apprentice must kill the master

She was talking about whether or not she would have left with Revan if he had asked her to go together. But Revan didn't, so instead she remained here.

@@DanSlotea fuck yeah threw that bitch into the pits of malachor

Steam version with the Sith Lords Restored Content mod from the workshop.

@JamesHLanier Yeah...I know lol I have like 1000 hours in that game I was talking about a retcon with a better story I mean it is a mmo after all.

He does? When she says that he has a short rule I assumed he's killed.

@@PapitoQinn oh maybe he dies but for a general like him securing the sovereignty of his nation and people is worth any sacrifice.