BREAKING BETHEL EP6: Bethel Alumni Reacts To Mike Winger's Critiques On Bethel Church 

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Dude, I have to share this. At about the 1:10:00 mark of the video Mike and you mention them talking about "the door". A couple of years back I was just personally interested in a form of meditation. And I still think there is an element to that which was acceptable and Biblical, meditating on the Word, sitting quietly and waiting on God, reflecting on His nature, etc. However, I had a moment where I was praying and I found my imagination wandering. And I ended up imagining a door, so since I was just kinda daydreaming I went ahead and went through it. And I imagined Jesus in there by a campfire I think, something like that as it has been a while. But then I sorta snapped back and was weirded out because I knew it wasn't a vision or anything but that I was just imagining Jesus, and it felt wrong. So I prayed that God would guide me away from anything not of Him. Well shortly after that on another day, I was praying and I internally heard(so not audible but still yet quite loud) DO NOT pursue that anymore. I recognized that voice as the Holy Spirit and I stopped the practice entirely. I mention that because I am very disconnected from the new age. No influence of it around me, not watching videos or reading about it. But that "door", man that is some sketchy stuff. I truly believe that was demonic deception and I just barely dodged it, only thanks to God's grace. This was long and you likely didn't read this, but I had to share. Because if that author is pursuing that type of stuff, this implies that Bethel is not just in error but is under active demonic deception. Sad stuff man, may God root out all that is evil and rescue the true sheep!

Wow! The statement about the counterfeit reminds me of a demonstration I saw about a bank teller who was checking 100 dollar bills for authenticity, and she was going through them extremely fast, and she suddenly found a counterfeit inside the pile. She explained that the only way to find the counterfeit was to constantly handle and study the authentic. That's how we as Christians need to handle the Word of God to weed out the counterfeit

We were told in a teaching meeting “ get a prophecy for someone and don’t worry getting it wrong “. I walked out . Australia.

Mike’s video is the tipping point for me to delete all the Bethel music from my library. Thank you for your heart and dedication to all of this Jesse!

Mike did a great job and I don’t think he will mind at all… I think he will be glad someone can verify this isn’t just a book written by a member but is actually being used and taught inside the church and school. I would add a link to his original video in the description, it’s good “reaction video” protocol to “credit” your sources and make it easy for viewers to go watch the unedited version.

I can do all things through a verse out of context! I was around them all. Bill and Benny, the Campbells, Che Ahn, Bentley and White, the Banovs, Randy Clark, Heidi etc etc etc. I was a body guard, assistant, drive them to hotels during conferences. I was raised by an Anabaptist pastor who was an expository preacher. I thank my dad for teaching me to be aware and finally leaving NAR movement and the church in Harrisburg, Pa.

The power of suggestion seems to be one of the strongest weapons the enemy uses against people in the charismatic church. I got so turned off from it I wanted nothing to do with supernatural experience. My passion was completely turned to studying the Word. I eventually realized that I should not throw the baby out with the bath water. There is nothing in scripture that says the gifts are not for today. I am working my way back to embracing the gifts in a scripturally, healthy balanced way.

I would love to see the two of you do an interview/conversation together. I've always enjoyed Mike's videos, I love how he researches and how he presents the truth. Thank you for doing this video! It's great to hear from a former Bethel student. God bless you.

When I first became a Christian I was attracted to the mystical and very nearly enrolled in BSSM. I think I was attracted because after spending 35 years in Eastern mysticism and the New Age, this was familiar territory and I just assumed that because this movement was "Christian" that this would finally result in me "knowing God'" experientially. During my Eastern mysticism / yoga period, I had spent numerous hours meditating, and had never 'found God'; so it was the idea of 'experiencing God' that attracted me the most. Now, having studied the Bible for the past few years, I see this movement through a different lens and am extremely wary of it. Many of the practices you mentioned we did in the context of yoga and meditation (guided meditations of various types including visualisations of deities, use of the power of sound in mantra and nada yoga for spiritual experiences, use of colour and geometrical shapes - mandalas and yantras - for spiritual experience, harnessing the 'power of the mind' to create our reality etc). So thanks for this video and thanks for helping us in the important work of discernment. 1 John 4 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God" and Matthew 16: 4 "A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.' Jesus then left them and went away."

Mike would definitely not copy right strike you. Ostene's church did that to him and he was very frustrated by it. I think he likes facilitating conversation and deeper thinking. Thank you for sharing your experiences here. Bless you, brother!

Excellent video Jesse! I was recently severely reprimanded by the elders of the church I attended for teaching against false teachers and teachings including Bethel, Hillsong and Elevation churches. We have left that church. I wish the entire elder board would watch this video.

52:50 "The issue of your deception is not about gods power, but it's about you straying from what he said" This is such a wise sentence, that you can tell its gods word in his heart, speaking through Mike. I had the same reaction as Jesse after that one :D

I followed a "prophesy" made over me by a random lady at the Bethel healing rooms, thinking it must be God's will. It ended up being incredibly damaging in every way imaginable.

During a tough time some believers in my city really ministered to me over a long period. They had come out of Bethel and were still big fans. I have a Reformed church background and theological education in a Baptist-leaning school. I already knew my Bible really well, and am by nature super wary and cautious about spiritual adventurism. I have to see it in scripture in a compelling way before I start to open up. This couple was the most loving, gracious pair of people I had ever known and I am still convinced The Lord sent them into my life to help me during my rough patch, which lasted a few years. I was unaware of Bethel at the time, but gradually learned more about them, and even went over there a couple times. Met lots of loving people, and made a lifelong friend I still keep up with. But the "drunk in the Spirit" stuff was unacceptable - I was going to remain sober and alert. Bill Johnson's acceptance of Osteen, Benny Hin, etc, etc, was always really concerning, as well as the fact they had their books in the bookstore. So I never got sucked in. But I did learn some things about praying for healing, and some other things, that have born fruit. But all my practice is kept close to Scripture and always has been. That's going to be my guide and test piece. Our salvation is about bringing glory to Jesus and coming into alignment with him in repentance, faith, hope, love, as guided by the Scriptures, not promoting and pursuing experience. So I still hold to my theological roots, but I would have to say that couple had a huge positive impact on my life when things were hard, but it was because of their love, not Bethel. Sadly they have gone back there and are now getting increasingly messed up. It's all Book of Enoch and experiences all the time, and all that stuff. Mystical garbage. So sad. These videos by Mike and Westwoods' reply are so important. I had no idea how bad Bethel had become. It's really bad. Really, really bad. They have become the counterfeit.

I just found your channel. Its heartbreaking to hear these things are happening to people who desperately want the Lord. When you speak about this i see pain in your eyes. Im very grateful you are ok and not being deceived. My heart is weeping for those still hungry for the Lord and are literally starving to death because of this culture. It really distresses me.

This is great! Thank you for adding to his video to verify. Nice to have scripture and a witness .

"The cross is not the demonstration of your worth, is the demonstration of your wickedness. 🙏✝" Thank you so much for that phrase.

I had a friend, started getting into bethels books including this one. Is now full blown new age with crystals, trips to heaven, all about vibrations, cards, stars, yoga, everything. Still goes to the local bethel church I believe and talks about Jesus like he is behind all and in all of her new age things. Heartbreaking. I think churches just dont teach correctly God's word and so instead we become all about experiences and feelings and the latest thing, prime picking for deception. It was so hard to find church which taught from the bible and had a pastor who stressed the importance of knowing God's word

The combo of Mike Winger and Jesse explaining the things coming out of Bethel and the whole NAR movement had been by far the best most clear explanation I’ve heard thus far. I’ve read Counterfeit Kingdom, and this video just ties it all together so well. Jesse’s explanation of how exactly they’re manipulating through the music is extremely helpful. I think every single person in every modern evangelical church needs to watch this video.

When I was born again, the 1st church I ended up at had a pastor that went to BSSM and as a former new-ager that was tuned into the new-age language.... I knew I HAD to leave! Thankful for youtube ministries exposing the darkness and for the Holy Spirit leading and guiding me to the TRUTH!

Thank you for this 🙂 I was part of MorningStar Ministries with Rick Joyner and have really struggled to sort thru everything. What has helped me the most was the realization that what they taught were occult techniques and the same experiences happen in those circles. I've listened to a lot of David Hunt too in the process to discover the truth

Hi Jesse, I became a Christian in 2004 (TX) and thankfully was at a bible teaching church at the time for my first year but then after the Pastor there got sick and had to resign and he was replaced with a "Rick Warren" following Pastor from CA and he didn't continue the bible studies. As a single woman back then, I was looking for a new church but had trouble finding a bible teaching church and found myself hopping between a seeker church to Charismatic churches and chose to stick with the "seemingly lively" charismatic church. Then in 2007 that church started inviting the Bethel Pastors to a Church called "Church of the Hills in Cedar Park, TX which I attended at the time. Bill Johnson came to that church once a year as well as we had Kim Walker coming and a couple of the other Bethel Pastors. I went to Dawna DiSilvas Sozo conferences and got involved in all that. That church adopted all the Bethel ministries like Healing Rooms, Sozo, Treasure Hunting etc.....I was also involved in those. That church fell apart in 2014 when Senior Pastor resigned and many left and switched to True Life Fellowship Church in Round Rock, TX, which is a sister church and still to this day still does the BSSM, AHR, Sozo etc. The Pastor's son with last name "Neusch" also was part of the Bethel pastoral Team at one point. I don't know if you know him. My family left that church in 2017 as we just didn't feel at home there and we longed for a church with more biblical teaching. Everything and everyone Bethel-related seemed to be idolized there and we didn't see why we are supposed to pay thousands of dollars for the BSSM classes. It just all didn't make sense to us from a biblical perspective. Anyways, I started seeing the truth around 2020 with their false presidential prophecies and also people Like Jan Markel (Olive Tree Ministries) and Amir Tsarfati mentioned the NAR in a discussion they had on youtube and mentioned Bethel, grave soaking etc. and suddenly I just couldn't make excuses anymore. I just couldn't see how all this is biblical. Since then, my eyes just kept opening about the Bethel movement, or Graham Cooke and all associates and I realized I have been under deception for quire sometime. So I've been healing spiritually as well. My husband hasn't been so deeply involving himself into their theology and ministries like me, he was always skeptical and kept his involvement at a superficial level, served in Trail Life etc. but not any of the crazy spiritual ministries. So good for him. He was glad when I finally saw the light and the deception. Your story so resonates with me and I went through many of the same things and have been reading the bible from cover to cover again and again throughout the year since then to rid myself of the false statements and false teachings that they have brainwashed us with for so long. Greetings, Sue

I appreciate your commentary as someone who attended BSSM. I’m in the online version and always felt like I didn’t belong because I had trouble with prophecies and the ‘encounters’. I’m not feeling bad about my ‘lack of experience’ anymore. 😁

As a former BSSM student as well, I am enjoying these videos. I used to think Bill was not aware of the New Age stuff at Bethel but when Mike Winger read portions of Judy’s book, I realized his eyes are wide open, since he encouraged Judy that she can’t be deceived. I am feeling betrayed honestly

I have been following Mike for almost 3yrs, and am so thankful this channel has been recommended. I need all the help I can get

Under Bethel like teachings, I basically learned how to lie to people in the name of the Lord!

Thanks for putting this video together. Eye opening.

Watched Mikes Bethel exposure yesterday and he did such a good job. Thank you for adding to what he revealed. My prayer is that the folks that are in this terrible movement will have the veil from their eyes removed and they will RUN from Bethel churches. Keep up the good work. Blessings from Chester UK

Thank you I watched pastor Mike's video and now am to the worship or sound part here in yours. The almost overwhelming feeling or since I get could be called fear. This is so much more then it appears on the surface, and that's plentiful on its own. Dangerous is putting it mildly. Praise God that He who is in us is mighty and over all.

I am in the process of leaving a church that has moved into the very building that Cal Pierce runs his healing rooms ministry. The church (body) originally worshipped in another church (building). Conflict in leadership lead to the church being without a building during the 2020 fiasco. We bounced around between a few conference halls and such and then settled in Cal Pierce's building. That's when the "extra-biblical" started to reveal itself along with the call for a revival and seeking miracles and prosperity through the inheritance of the kingdom. There was a turn from biblical historical emphasis in the teachings to the charismatic, prophetic, miracle seeking, visionaries we were warned against. Everything Mike's video, which I watched in its entirety prior to yours, and your analysis is 100% spot on. They speak of vision rooms, prophetic dreams, crystal cities, and healing on demand. If you're not blessed then you don't have enough faith. Your lack on Earth is a result of my lack of faith and my mindset of lack. I was also looked at with disdain when I wasn't drunk enough in the spirit. Very fake it til you make it. My bells and whistles have been going off for a while, but my son met and quickly married the daughter of the worship pastors so we stayed around even though our spirit was left thirsty. Unfortunately, I know all too well this idea of raising the dead. My son and daughter-in-law had a beautiful baby boy who passed at 45 days old. A complete tragedy is an understatement. It was not communicated to me, but they; pastors including my son's in-laws, my son, his wife, and other leaders gathered and attempted to raise my dead grandchild by demanding God do so. The trauma this engrained I can only imagine. My son has since started attending another church, but obviously is still very involved with this previous body. We are looking for a new place of worship, which will be a journey, because these types of churches are everywhere and we are tired of watery kool-aid sprinkled with new age manifest inheritance garbage.

Both of you have demonstrated what discernment is all about and it has been done with love! Thank you both for standing firm!!

Absolutely excellent, and in-depth overview! Love your heart on the matter! Keep sticking to God's Word alone!

Thank you for this video!! I am also coming out of the charismatic chaos. 30 years in our church and our “pastors “ one female decided to take a “sabbatical “ and do a year at Bethel. While they were there I was having terrible health issues and they kept referring me to Bill Johnson’s teachings! I couldn’t for the life of me get into them. Asked my husband to watch he felt the same. The Holy Spirit was checking me. I saw one of your videos and started researching and reading the Bible (which I never read before even being in the church for 30 years!). I appreciate your heart amd I am also now a cessation and LOVE apologetics due to this false church. When we tried to ask our pastors and I sent them a few videos they called you and ex disgruntled student. I knew your heart and I understood that this was not the truth. Thank you for speaking out and helping others leave or wake up from this false movement. Praying for our family and friends of our former church everyday that they wake up as well. I thank God everyday for having the grace and mercy on me to pull me out. I also thank Him for honest and true shepherds like Chris Rosebrough and Justin Peters and you also Jesse! God bless you and your family!

LOVED seeing your child come sit in your lap while you were doing all that:) This Dad of 6 sees it, and it warms my heart for when my kiddos could still fit in my lap! Plus the bonus of your thoughtful comments too! Blessings on your whole tribe:)

It’s definitely a large amount to digest, revelation talks about the deception and great falling away. Thank you for this it bring clarity to a lot of questions I have had.

Thanks so much for sharing from your experience on this and adding invaluable insight to Mike's already humble but strong critique/rebuke of Bethel's false doctrine. My heart is grieved for those who are deceived.

After watching Mike's video, I appreciated this response. It is so sobering to hear that this is all "a product of the culture." Thank you for adding your voice to these warnings.

" the cross is not a sign of our worth, the cross is a sign of our weaknesses " yes our heart is so wicked...

Thank you Westwoods. This supplementary reaction video to Mike Winger’s stream is very insightful :) thanks

Truly blessed by this, as someone who came out of both a NAR multi-site church and Dark Poverty Theology, this was truly encouraging. Keep up the great work Jesse!!

Thank you for weighing in! There really is a sense that these things are on the fringe but you and Mike have made it clear that this is a culture that they have cultivated over years. So grateful you are speaking out.

Thank you so much, Jesse. I had watched Mike's video and found it really well done (as his videos always are). Your commentary and sharing your own observations/ experiences really enhanced the message.

I went to a Christian counselor one time. He wanted me to regress back into my childhood. I refused to do it!!!!

Thank you so much for coming out with this! I remember trying out Rev before Jesus changed me and getting some weird vibes. I reached out via phone early on in covid, desperate for "something" I never received a call back . :( My family hit the road for a year in our RV and the Lord touched our lives along the way with divine meetings of prayer from strangers in multiple states. We have settled in SW Wa and have found a wonderful, gospel centered church. Our God is a great god!

Thank you for your video. I stumbled across this one because my wife and I watched Mike Wingers video a few days ago. We are out of Kentucky and we have churches here that follow some of bethels teachings and we are hoping to bring awareness by sharing these videos.

Out of college I had a number of friends that got sucked into this, and I wrote it off as getting a bit eccentric. Over the years as I’ve matured in my walk, it’s become so much more apparent it extends way beyond the boundaries sound theology, or Christianity at all. I watched Mike’s version right after he released it and ended up sharing it with a bunch of folks and will do the same with yours. Really enjoyed watching your additional commentary on it having lived and experienced it. You bring an additional layer of depth that highlights how serious this is. So often these out-of-bounds examples are written off as exceptions or attributed to a few folks that went off the reservation.

Great synopsis, thanks for putting this up.

I’m so glad Mike Winger finally called this movement out. Thank you as well for affirming what he said. May the Lord open our eyes, bringing us from darkness to light, from the power of Satan to God for the forgiveness of our sins that we may receive inheritance among the sanctified through faith in Christ Jesus. (Acts 26:18)

I can honestly say I have no need of a miracle. If I never saw a miracle I would not lose my faith, I would follow my lord every day by faith in his Written Word.

@Thewestwood I found bethel in 2011 they infected my church in Goodyear AZ were I met my wife. We moved to Redding and went into BETHEL school of Technology, regrettably we are in the middle of a divorce now and I am guilty of living in sin and was brought to repentance by the conviction of the Spirit, but our values no longer aligned. I have to little souls I need to protect now and I live in suffering so that they do not inquire in this culture. Brother, but with love in Christ my soon to be ex spouse I still rejoice that His word has set me free from this theology. Please join me in prayer for the mother of my two beautiful children that the Spirit of the true God convict and bring her to repentance as he did with me. ❤

Thank you a million and The Lord bless you to reach many many who have been led astray!!!!

"If you don't stand for anything, you fall for everything." Amen!

51:59 mic drop. Pursuing the counterfeit is so dangerous.

On the Winger Scale of Righteous Anger, that was a 9 out of 10!

This is great! BTWN and Mike Winger had a discussion going last fall about this very thing and now it seems Mike Winger has finally come around! PTL!

I watched the original video of Mike's, and I appreciated hearing your first-hand account and the way you tie it into what's in some Christian circles. I've definitely experienced some of these things and have repented and will continue to repent as I remember what I've participated in. Thanks for your video! God bless brother.

I pray over the weather all the time, I went to a fellowship time last night. It was pouring rain so hard and very dark. I got to the meeting and prayed before going in, to my Father. I asked Him to shut down the rain if possible for the way home. It was His kindness when I left, the rain had lightened up and I got home safe. The difference between my experience and bethel is mine is about a deep loving relationship not me having power.

Hi. I’m actually very blessed by your reactions - I only watched because your video popped up (probs the algorithm lol) after watching my favorite apologist - Mike Winger! I’m from South Africa 🇿🇦 and we (me mostly tbh) are quite concerned about the lack of solid theology in our church regarding eschatology- this week we started a six week series called “purpose”. Yep. Not exactly the saddleback man, but there are some quotes by him… and many in the congregation have actually done the 40 day purpose driven life course… so there’s that. But also the love of all things Bethel… ugh. Anyway. I’m sure I’ll try and ask you stuff in the near future. Thanks once again. Lovely video!

I came across your video and caught my attention that you are a Bethel Alumni. I decided to watch to listen to both assessments. I appreciate your comments commenting on Pastor Mike's video. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Westwood.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I’d already watched Mike Winger’s video, but hearing your insight really helped me! I’d passed up the opportunity to go to BSSM a few times and always wondered if I’d missed God’s calling for me. Now I’m solid on the understanding that it was the Holy Spirit giving me the feeling that something was off there. Thank you both so much! 🙏🏻

I came to check the video out after Pastor Mike Winger posted about it and as someone who is (together with people around me too) influenced by Bethel a lot, of which nothing ever felt off or wrong and I seriously never saw the dangerous teachings that people spoke off. But the more this video went on the more I realized how some of the experiences and things that we were doing in our circles and church were based on these teachings. I actually remember doing the Prophetic Exercise in my former church (which got most of it's influence from Bethel), the pastor told us to pick a partner and start ''prophesying" over your partner, since it was an online meeting we were texting to each other and we were told to just start typing the first thing to come into our minds and that it will eventually make sense and you will pick up the prophetic the more you do it. Nothing felt off doing it and after I actually "prophesied" to the partner I was assigned to she actually confirmed that what I had said was 100% accurate and also what she told felt also to be accurate. I never gave much thought to that exercise until today whilst watching this and a lot more things are now coming to mind and I think most people are actually practicing a lot of these questionable things with very good intentions and without any knowledge of it being heretical or unbiblical. I really appreciate you for speaking on this and I pray that more people can actually watch this so that they may turn from their deceitful ways and we all come to the true knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

Excellent video. Thank you!

Thank you so much. Amazing depth of learning here

As a new beliver I was in the word of faith, charismatic church and I almost lost my faith. Therfor I am grateful for everone with knowlegde exposing the horrible hyper charismatic churches, so thanks for the important warning against the false church.

I really appreciate what you're doing here! Not that I would recommend anyone going through the school, but it's interesting how that experience uniquely enables you to help others see the problems with it, as someone who has firt-hand knowledge of what goes on. Keep producing valuable content to edify the Church/seeking first the Kingdom!

Excellent! Thank you for sharing

I just want to say I appreciate your work. I also came out of health and wealth church and I also have a hunger to keep to the truth and only the truth while maintaining love and compassion

I love how he talks about Sedona. I live two hours from there and we take trips there to the woods all the time and it's so whack. When we pass through it's an incredible amount of crap and seeing that this is where they pull so much info from is astounding.

I really appreciate the way that Mike Winger handles basically every topic that he covers. He speaks the truth but clearly does it in love and from a humble heart. I also love that he does it from the perspective of a guy who ISN’T Reformed. I am Reformed-leaning in my theology, myself, but I do think that solid, biblical perspectives outside of our theological echo chamber can often be helpful. That’s why I listen to the Remnant Radio guys. I often don’t agree with them but they’re sound charismatic guys exegeting scripture well and they do check things against scripture, which you’re right that you don’t find that much in charismatic circles.

Thank you so much for giving the full gospel and exposing bethel. This stuff is impacting so many people and it's sad

Thanks the both of you! You have to talk together :) God bless you and your family!

When I was in a NAR Bible college, I was advised to chew the meat and spit the bones. My reply was, “it’s more like leaven in bread. How do I spit out the leaven that has permeated the whole loaf?” I was shamed and told I needed to honor the leadership.

Watching from the UK. Bethel theology is rife here! Thankfully I’ve got out of it, but I was deep into it in a Prophetic ministry here in Scotland. I used to teach people how to prophecy. One of the books I used was Kris Valotton’s Prophetic training. All kind of makes me feel sick now. 😞 Keep up the good work. The more this is exposed the better!

This was very well done, well worth it too. We have folks who show us how to compare the word of God to what people are SAYING God says, and those who point out false teachers, and those who help us see how false teaching works. Now we have the wisdom of that laid in front of someone who was actually there and can confirm those things he has seen and was taught. This is not just "bashing" for the sake of bashing. This is what I call "two or three witnesses". Well done gentlemen, and thank you for sighing through this sad and difficult stuff for others to see so they can know the truth!

Oh my gosh! The video I needed! I couldn't click fast enough! I already watched Mike.

Love Winger. He did a great job reviewing The Passion Translation.

I stumbled upon your page, and I’m thankful for you breaking things down. I’ve also been following Mike Winger for some time, so it’s great seeing you two come together. In 2020 I organized a rally for trafficking, and I lead worship for the event. At the end, 2 ladies wanted to pray for me, and they told me that they graduated recently from BSSM. I agreed to it, and it truly was the strangest experience. They started by saying that they were going to pray prophecy over me. Immediate red flag. It was coming at a time where I was really digging into the Word, Theology, Bible Prophecy, and Eschatology. My twin sister and I began having dreams that truly were from the Lord, so I wanted to know what the Word said about gifts since I grew up pretty conservative Baptist. Anyway, they started telling me things that were happening in my life that they shouldn’t have known, telling me about my dreams, and then telling my things about my future. It felt dark, strange, and immediately felt contradictory to what God’s Word says. As someone whose received dreams when I didn’t ask or want them, it’s clear you can’t force a gift. The entire “prayer” felt like what I could only describe as a psychic reading, and not a prayer in God’s will. The dreams stopped about a year ago. They are completely out of my control and doing. I appreciate Mike Winger because the more I study God’s Word, I can’t put myself in a reformed or Calvinist circle even thought I love many pastors in those camps. As a Student from BIOLA, I remember the pressure to be a Calvinist or Arminian. I never have been able to pick. I’m a Biblicist which is why I really enjoy listening to Pastor Mike. I also really like Andy Wood. I bet the Theology wolves will be after me soon 🤪😆. My goal is to be a Barean. The gifts exist on God’s doing and timing. Follow God’s Word. Simple as that. Amazing when you are in the Word and know it, then it’s easy to see the counterfeit. Anyway, had to share that strange experience with BSSM. It felt dark. I had to tell my husband and sister about it, as well as others. It did not feel like it was from the Lord. It felt like enemy was trying to confuse me about gifts, and deceive me by getting me power hungry or something. Thanks again for what you are doing!

I appreciate how Mike communicates as well.

Well reviewed. Thank you for taking the time to go through this. Mike did an excellent job and I so agree that he is "slow to speak", nice job and again thank you! GmaJo

This might be the most fired up I've ever seen Mike, and I'm here for it.

So grateful for these videos. You have to know they are extremely helpful when the Bible is opened up to reveal how false these teachings of the NAR are or of any false teacher. Thank you a million times for exposing the error with God’s word!!! And for your testimony!! May God be glorified in this!!

Thanks so much, Jesse.

I think this video is important. I think your inside perspective is very revealing. I started out as a Christian in a church that has many similarities with Bethel and it's been almost three years since I was with them and there are still things I'm having to unlearn and be careful about... So I understand where you're coming from. Currently I'm also immensely grieved and anxious about all these people being drawn into and ensnared by these teachings. I went to another church in the past year and I clearly saw that they were infected with the same teachings... Many people I met there either went to Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry, knew someone who went/is/will be going there, or are planning on going there themselves... I am seriously so grieved and I want to do something about it so bad. I actually thought of contacting some people from this church and maybe sending them Mike's video, and perhaps yours as well. I see this is episode 6 so I think I'll go back to the beginning and watch the whole series. Please pray for me to have discernment and wisdom and do God's will! Lord bless you and guide you!

An evil generation seek for a sign but God desires obedience to his Word.

I really hope you and Mike can talk! I would definitely watch!

Yes! Thank you from Switzerland! ❤

Great video. Thank you for confirming what Mike said in his video.

Thank you, Jesse for sharing your experiences us.Thank you for presenting in this manner...it's been really helpful.

Loved the video, Jesse! The level & place at which you’re addressing this is unique & necessary. Similar to what would’ve happened had Lindsay Davis continued on to speak about her experiences at Bethel more publicly (I bet she does! But I meant more in the soc med aspect). I giggled at the part where you said “… if I was a more well-read Christian at the time being at Bethel…” then you wouldn’t have been at Bethel at all haha! Keep the videos rolling, brother. Praying for your (now) ministry on RU-vid

Really enjoyed this video.

I left the RAIN fellowship. Bill Johnson came to our church in Onalaska, WI. A family from Bethel in Redding taught me how to learn SOZO. At a RAIN conference in Minneapolis, the guest told us to do "grave sucking," because the angels were waiting at the Graves of our ancestors, bearing gifts that weren't taken by them. I learned about David VanKeuvering. Several serious life challenges led me back to the Jesus Christ I first embraced as my Savior and Lord. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. I am free.

Thank you Mike and Jesse. Your videos are much appreciated and needed. We used to be part of a church that wasn't directly connected to Bethel, except singing their songs. But the worship leader had the instrumentalists tune their instruments to 432 hertz for Sunday worship. It was the "healing frequency". I guess this would be part of the "new sound" thing. It is so sad to watch this movement grow and spread in our churches.

Great video! Thank you so much for making this, I was really curious to hear from someone who had experienced the Bethel system and the information/feedback you had was a great addition to Mike's original video.

So appreciated. Ty

Bless you brother, not knowing you or your background I tuned into this video expecting Bethel's response and defence of Mike's damning exposé and was grinding my teeth before I even hit Play. For that I must ask forgiveness, how delightful it was to find someone rescued from Bethel (aka the pits of hell) who thoughtfully and with actual experience and knowledge of the Word and wisdom represents the truth about this angel of light deceiving so many in these dark but blessed times. With regards to Isaiah 59:19 - you and Mike and us who pray for God to bring down the strongholds are 'the standard'. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him and put him to flight. I am so grateful to God that I have not been deceived but am daily aware of the potential to completely miss the mark thinking Im serving Him.

Thank you for your analysis on this video; it's very helpful to hear your experience. Praying for you and your wife as you're exiting the Bethel ideology

I am immensely grateful for your video, and Mike's too. I have shared all those experiences you talk about through an offshoot of Bethel in UK (Eastgate), which is basically a Bethel copy, with a supernatural school, healing centre and heavenly encounters, fire tunnels, holy laughter, readings, soaking, sozos. I also had the Judy Franklin experience (she visited here, as did other leaders). Everyone is an apostle or prophet, and there is a distinct lack of humility, repentance and sacrificial love. Covid lockdowns meant God was able to realign me, and put me back on the right path. My heart was broken, and I continue to feel deep grief for those caught up in this. But God has moved mightily since coming out of it, my sons got saved!!!! Getting over it has been like ptsd, and I am also still unravelling but think I'm getting there. Had to pick up the Word of God like I was starting again from the beginning.

Thank you so much!