KTM Freeride E-XC vs Alta Redshift. The Super Rant! 

You’re correct. I’ll pin this comment. They say it in press releases, but there’s pretty much zero information on it. I found one photo of a little system. It uses “the bulkhead” as the heat sink and runs the hoses in the frame.

Ktm motor too Bruh..

Is there a regenerative braking system for ktm ebikes?

Joseph Arnold Gayta never saw this. Mode 1 has it. Honestly, regen is more of a “feel good” feature than it is useful in real life. I never use it. I found that you can get better battery life if you don’t ride in Mode 1 regen.

@@tatutata6086 thats why he said also, dumbass.

Thanks for the praise and comment. The ebike future will likely be awesome. In the mean time... get one of these and have a blast on it like you would a pit bike. No filters and oils to change when you’re done playing. 😍

@@JohnHowerton137 Ye.. I for sure know the benefits of going E.. my son started on e trial and man i loved those little things.. now were on klx and jeez.. allt the time i spend in the shop just to make sure all bikes are topnotch.. Will def go E when they make a solid mx bike that i can compete on...i have also been racing in germany in E-Mtb enduro and they are a blast.. no more walking up ski slopes just to get to the fun part of going downhill.

Janne Nevala the e-bicycles do look fun. Maybe I’d enjoy cycling again if I got one. Got tired of trying to avoid being a bug on a car windshield.

@@JohnHowerton137U should def try one.. get a proper long suspension one and feel the similarities going downhill as riding enduro on a dirtbike. i use the E-bicycles as a training tool.. to keep my heartrate on a good level (80% of max) while still hitting those sweet technical trails. u can regulate yar training pretty good instead of riding a boring roadbike

@@jannenevala7264 they have some nice TREKs that just came in for rent here. I may try one.

Very nice! Roll the KTM on your pitbike track 😋 And I might take you up on that someday! 😍 I toyed with the idea of a Florida move about a year ago. Just too far and I'm comfortably happy right now.

You’re welcome. Even as bad as my production value is, they still do take a lot of time and effort to put together. Not to mention electronic resources. I appreciate that you appreciate them 🤙 Many more to come. Next week should be another big batch delivery 🤣

They’re coming eventually. There is a lowering kit. The main thing is the weight. It’s not light. If you’ve touched it, you know. Lose your footing at a stop and you fall over with it. My first bike at 13 was a tank. I wanted to ride, so I managed it in wet clay and roots with bald tires... because it was what I had. In motion freeride doesn’t really feel heavy when traction is good, but for sure still way heaver than an 85. Feels more like my 350EXC but more top heavy. Maybe just get him a SurRon to goof off on. They’re tough enough, and he’ll still develop the skills.

So the Alta is a superior bike, that’s just fact. Superior [for what] is where it gets tricky... On street it will have a huge advantage over the Freeride, which as you know, is only good for 80kph. The other place it would have a huge advantage would fast cross country motocross or bigger motocross tracks. The high speed stuff it just isn’t what the Freeride was designed for. It’s a small chassis enduro bike. It shines in tight stuff. Ripping back alleys, tight singletrack, or small tracks it’s pretty awesome. The Alta also has limited parts avail. Not something you want to be crashing and braking stuff in the woods or driveway practicing stunts. Freeride parts are normal price and easy to get at any dealer. If I had disposable money, I’d have an Alta. I’m a working man, so I’ll be on a Freeride until KTM or maybe Honda makes a full blown electric MX bike.

The stock tires are pretty good. If I was trail riding they’d be 👌 The way I ride it requires stiffer sidewalls and more front lug. The look is an acquired taste, but I like it now too. Map 3 should drift ✊ Careful of high-siding with the soft bouncy suspension when she steps out.

Welcome 🤙

That was actually a recycled press release. It's still the 3.88kwh battery that they upgraded to a couple years back. The last new thing was the brakes in '21. That's fantastic mileage though, shouldn't be to limiting on your riding fun. I can get the hours out of the battery on the trail rides, but the mileage still ends up being in the 20-23 range. MX riding is more like 15.

@@JohnHowerton137 Ah, interesting. Just checked the manual and you're right! The KTM rep was there and misled me :/

@@trn450 nah, he's just reading the fake news. They've been recycling that information since 2018. Doesn't change the fact that it's a super fun bike. A lot of reps dont know spit about their product lines. I deal with them all the time.

@@JohnHowerton137 - Oh yeah, I totally love the bike! And, I hear ya about reps just drinking the kool aid. ^_^ But, the 2021 was on sale and $1200 cheaper and I only went with the 2022 b/c of the rep giving that information to me (in front of the sales person). lol. I should have done my due diligence, but I messaged them anyway to see if they'll help me out a bit.

@@trn450 oh man, that kind of sucks. Oh well, the are worth pretty much every dollar they cost worth of fun. They're like the worlds most bad ass pitbike. If they headlight and taillight weren't off mine right now, I would've probably went out riding wheelies in the street tonight 🤣 I think I might finally get to ride on Sunday. My buddy has some SurRons and I think we're going electric renegade riding 😋

And it’s perfect 👍 You really are the target market, not me, but honestly I have as much fun, or more than any bike I’ve ever owned.

Map 3 really isn’t playfully weak. Map 2 is about like a WR250 or something. I ride in map 2 most the time. It’s plenty of juice for most the population in smaller smaces. I’m not the egomaniac that need’s 100 HP. On a small track the KTM will be hard to beat. And I really wasn’t comparing, I was telling people to stop comparing. Just pointing out, that things are just scaled down everywhere (capacity, power, weight, chassis size). My point was, if you scaled it up, the numbers would still pretty much match up. KTM’s goal was the same... make it extremely ridable and be in the 20s for HP, just like their other Freerides that start with base gas engine that range from about 37-57 HP. No doubt with a firmware change, a 6kwh battery and a 450sx chassis. We could compare. The Altas are sick. Congrats. I’d own one in a second. Well, maybe not now that they are gone. I was sick when I heard they folded. I hope that aftermarket companies will keep them alive so they don’t all become paperweights.

Correct I'm glad I can build my own if not I would have bought several Alta adding more battery capacity and modified ESC to the stock Alta motor would definitely be a monster being that electric motors produce 3 time's the torque than cumbustion engines at zero RPM,s actually so 30-60Kw on my 80lb Electric GP race scooters kills my loving 2Stroke Kx500,s with Zero emmissios and ball bursting torque spinning at a staggering 21,000 RPM,s 🧐😁

@@mackattack8627 I know that the whole zero RPM thing is fun to say, but I'm going to educate you with all my many years of mechanical experience and expertise..... are you ready? Here it goes: Any motor or engine at zero RPM will put out precisely zero torque.

Haha. It is true 🤷🏼‍♂️

I also own an Alta mxr and KTM Freeride, it really does not make much sense to compare these bikes. The KTM is a nice Freeride bike, perfect for beginners or to to have some fun in the woods, but if you put it on a Mx track the batteries die after approx 15 to 20 minutes and the suspension is totally horrible. Even after all available updates to the KTM, the Alta has at least twice the range, more than twice the power and regarding the chassis and suspension the freeride feels more like a pit bike because all these components were designed for the KTM 85 bikes and are not ment to handle adult riders or extreme jumps. Both bikes are nice, both make sense depending where you want to use them.

stephen davis Unfortunately dirtbikes are 10K these days. Just the way it is. If you want to feel better about the price of dirtbikes... look at the bicycle industry. It's a good cure. 🤣 Battery life really isn't that bad if you're screwing around in tight woods 3-4hrs no prob. It's basically the same as 1.5 gallons of gas.

Yes, you just need a voltage converter. Search for my charging videos and read through the comments sections. Enjoy! 🤙

That would be pretty cool. Yeah, you pin them open and they drain juice just like a mainjet. Most people don't understand that MX fuel tanks only last 30min +2... because they aren't ever on the mainjet to experience that. Mostly just Joe Blow squid popping his mouth online. That's about what I get from a mix of Map 2/3. The Alta (MX) in Map 2/3 is a somewhat comparable output to the KTM's Map 3. Like 36hp & matching torque. The Alta is heavier though. Back in the day we were told 7lb = 1hp. So if that rang true, the Alta loses 4hp/ft putting say Map 2 within 1ft (32fp) of the KTM's 31fp. Alta still has like 8hp more though (KTM 24.5) and a higher top speed. The KTM could close that gap with a 46T sprocket or 12T on the counter. So really, the bikes aren't that far off. Thank you for posting your battery numbers and not being an asshole on the defense. We all learn more from good discussion. I'm really not trying to bag on the Alta at all, just want to get info out there for people who love dirtbikes like us. I think the Altas were great and I think they look pretty sick too. Just wanted to give people some perspective with this video. All the info out there for the KTM leaves a lot to be desired.

John Howerton, I will post some pics of my Alta’s on your FB message if you want. The one main benefit of the Alta’s/Freeride’s is the low center of gravity. My KTM 350 EXC has an after market 3.2 gal tank. So at the start of a Hare Scrambles I have an additional 26-30 lbs of top heavy weight along with my case, piston, cam, etc. all that top weight creates a completely different feel. Although my Alta weighs about 30lbs. more the Alta “feels” as nimble as a 125cc. It is extremely flickable and the torque pulling out of tight turns is breathtaking.

Brian Smith sure, or instagram if you have it. I rarely get on FB, but when I do, I’ll look. Another guy commented that it’s stull really easy to get stuff for them, so that’s good. The Freeride carries the weight higher. They really should have designed the battery lower. That will be one of my beefs in my review I make this weekend. Honestly, its a better MX bike than it is a trail bike for that very reason. Makes sense, since the original bike was an E-SX, but I know there was some steer tube changes and stuff. I’m excited to get the suspension done. Springs go in this week, and then I’m guessing it’ll need to be sent off for valving which should make it corner and stuff a lot more aggressively. I have a 350EXC too. I’m letting Ryno ride it on our ride tomorrow and then selling it to a young guy on Friday. I love it and hate it at the same time. Just don’t like the engine braking mostly. Just never adapted to the 4T. If I get another, it will be a 250EXC

The Freeride is still what I would consider a “play bike” but more in a Carson Brown BBR 190 sort of way. Just don’t expect it to perform over 45 mph.

Everyone would. I'm guessing 2023. I have no evidence of that, but I feel the market will ask for it.

Honestly, no idea. I bet the Honda comes out first. My guess it’s 3-4 years unless we generate some hype 🤣

I’m guessing yes. The basic platform has been around since 09. There was a battery update in 18. KTM hasn’t given any indication that they are going to abandon the platform. There’s actually been other prototypes developed on this motor, so I don’t see them ditching it. It’ll probably be a scooter motor in India or something before it ever gets abandoned.

Aloha Greg. Well, it’s hard to describe. Of bikes you may have ridden... Map 1 is kind of like a XR 100, Map 2 maybe like a KDX200, and Map 3 kind of pulls like a 250 MX bike on the bottom... but all maps sign off like if those bikes only have 3 gears. Keep in mind there is virtually no vibration. It also carries more weight in the front so it doesn’t pull the wheel like a light 2 stroke. You aren’t missing much with the 4-Stokes. I admittedly kind of like 250F bikes, but that’s where my love for 4T ends... with the exception of my 690, and that’s more of my “road bike” that goes off-road if I want😋 I would say the Freeride-E steers more like the heavy front ended 4T. You just have to stay close to home with it. If there’s a 20min commute before you get to your ride spot... battery it wont last. If you truck it somewhere, it has plenty of juice to get your riding itch out unless you’re riding pinned gravel roads or something. Ride it places you would have fun on a pit bike... with no noise 😎

John Howerton love it. I called my local dealer and they dont think it is available in the US yet 🤷🏻‍♂️

It is, just not to them. Only 11 dealers signed up for the pilot program in 2017. It just wasn't worth the investment for most dealers to buy in at the time because they weren't going to make the money back. Only 100 bikes came in. Fast forward to 2020. Release #2. Only 100 bikes come in. So long story short, neither of our dealers are "E" dealers. The bikes have to be purchased from one of the original dealers. I believe there is a dealer in Colorado with a bunch of them. I think 3Bros probably has 4. I could dig you up the dealer list if you need.

@@JohnHowerton137 that'd be great! I want one asap. Thanks for the content!

@@gmel1084 3 Bros KTM in Costa Mesa, CA Moto City KTM in Avondale, AZ. Solid Performance KTM in Downingtown, PA. KTM of North Texas in Arlington, TX CJ KTM of Murrieta in Murrieta, CA. Edelman’s KTM in Troy, NY. KTM of Roseville in Roseville, CA. Larsons Cycle in Cambridge, MN. Adventure Powersports in McKinney, TX Malcolm Smith Motorsports in Riverside, CA. Elite Motorsports KTM in Loveland, CO.

In europe they do. No program in the U.S. yet. Let me get this straight... You sold two awesome “real bikes” for an ebike? 😉 Enjoy your endless worry and hassle free fun my friend #Zaaap ✊⚡️

@@JohnHowerton137 Yes I did. They were perfect, both plated rode every event from Florida to Maine . The 525 is my favorite bike of all time. The Husky WR430 is 2nd. With more than 50 years of owning many bikes. If the 525 was silent I would have 2. One for a friend like the SurRons I have now.

pete Marshall I raced a 520 SX (same bike) in a vet pro motocross race once in ‘03 I think? I’d never ridden one outside of the supermoto figure 8 parking lot ripping we did after hours and on slow days 🤣 I was in 3rd sitting on 2nd’s tail the entire moto waiting for a mistake (one line track & he was 3x season high point champ). I stalled about 4 corners from the finish on the last lap and sat on the side of the track kicking it until the following moto ended 🤣 Didn’t know what the hell I was doing. TDC? OU812? 🤷🏼‍♂️ How does this red plastic lever thing work? 🤣 It was a 4 speed and I’m pretty sure I did a 3rd gear start off the concrete and got cut off on the inside going into the first corner by a Pro-pro. Bet your SurRon has about the same range as those gas guzzlers. Those RFS engines were damn tough though! We sold a crap-ton of them and I don’t believe I ever saw one have any issues in all those years.

FooTeePrint I do too, but kind of glad I didn’t. I have a strong feeling there will be a huge decline in resale value in 3 years at the longest. They’re still out there. I looked at 3 for sale last night. I mostly agree on the Thor too. The Prime Pro stuff fits really nice, but the colorways/designs are pretty limited. I have yet to find anything that fits my longer legs better. Tempted to try the FXR stuff next, but I don’t much like the 2020 lines from anyone and I really don’t want to pay full price for another set of gear that doesn’t fit right that I don’t even like. Of my 5 sets of gear, I like my Answer Elite the best, but it’s a little too big (relaxed). I should be wearing a size smaller. I wore AXO in the 90s, switched to O’Neal for a couple years (tempted to try again) and then switched back to Thor and AXO when my O’neal deal went away. Now I mostly only want gear with super venting and dark colors. The dirt here stains everything red and it’s hot AF most the places I ride.

The Varg will be far superior. I have one on the way as well. That said, if I can afford to, I'll keep the Freeride probably. Street legal it and use it to put around and commute. It's good at what it's designed for.

In mode/map one, yes it does. Not in the other maps, which for me personally I like, because I dislike the engine braking of 4-strokes.

@@JohnHowerton137 I agree, there is a time for everything. Long steep downhills it is my friend. At 63 the electric bike is so easy to pick up when it lays down. and has me back in the woods again wherever and whenever I want to go.

I use Map 1 more than I expected. It’s real peaceful and kind of fun for agility. Plus with the regen My brain says I I can ride it forever 😆 I use Map 1 for going down creek beds and stuff like that too, so all the torque in the other maps don’t send you into the weeds and rocks when you get a little throttle blip on that surprise rock jolt 🤣 It’s a little weak for climbing though. If you can keep momentum or ride in the middle of the power 12-22mph maybe it’s still fun. Kind of like riding an XR80 or something.

There isn't a kit. That was B.S. that some magazine started. In a couple weeks I'll have a detailed video on how to do it. Waiting to receive the goods 😋

@@JohnHowerton137 Awesome!! Thanks!

Optimus Prime yeah, I was totally bummed the day I heard it. There will be plenty more to come Europe needs them and most places here will to soon.

I’ve seen them FEET above the handlebars riding like a submarine in the water! I won’t be trying that with my $11k, but I’ve seen it 😆

John Howerton Wow ! Takes water cooling to a whole new level... I don’t really need to worry, I do nearly all my riding the street . I have been looking at electric bikes as a possible replacement for my GS 650 twin, a lovely bike, but under employed, I don’t tour, I mostly piss about around the town (London) and occasional green lane, so thinking of trading down to a 250 dual sport or similar electric; mostly cos as a lanky 69 year old I have trouble picking the bloody GS up in the unlikely (ahem..) event of dropping it. Thanks for putting the work in on your channel, good info.

It's pretty much perfect for that if you don't venture more than about 28km +/- 10k. Thanks for the kind words 🤙

I doubt the Honda will be that same bike. That bike is probably scrap by now. The MX bikes have a new chassis, that battery didn’t look like it hot swapped, and Honda signed an agreement with KTM and Yamaha for a battery standard.... so one more nail in the coffin for that bike. They’ll probably have something in the mix for 2024 or 2025 I bet though.

@@JohnHowerton137 oh fore real? I didn't realise that agreement. What a shame! :/ well I'm sure they'll bring something to the table eventually haha.

@@8drifit I think that bike was more just a concept for the bike show than a actual prototype. Don't expect Honda to be first to market with anything. The are way to conservative of a company to take risk on anything. They rarely update anything except the CRF450 🤣 Look how long it took them to get to the UTV market. Haha! Honda is not an innovator... and when they do it's usually a disaster like the 3-wheeler and Aluminum frame.

@@JohnHowerton137 oh, I'm no bike expert here man haha. So i don't know? But it looked fricken amazing! So hopefully they do bring something to the table.. that looks similar to this Honda? "Prototype". I've seen pictures of a Yamaha one also. And a few others too. But nothing comes close to the way the Honda's actually looks! It's beautiful looking man. Fricken majestic 🤩😂

Totally agree. Big mystery why KTM took the industry market share 🤪 Put a decent 43-46mm fork on XRs and ok shock, make the frame out of something stronger than Spaghetti noodles, and don't stamp every other part on the bike out of mild steel... and they may have ruled for another decade.

@@JohnHowerton137 yeah my dream bike would be an XR400 in a modern frame I loved my 450x till it needed rebuilt after 300 hours. My XR400 probably has 30,000-40,000 miles on it still runs prime never been rebuilt valves rarely need adjustment.

@@JohnHowerton137 my only real option if I wanted to buy a new bike is a KTM/Husky 300 two stroke or 350 both great bikes but hard for an old Honda guy like me to make the switch. The new 450L still has a motor that doesn’t last long just like the 450x did which is disappointing

Switch to orange. It's a no brainier. There's a reason why they have by far the best customer loyalty in the industry (yes, way higher than Honda). Get a new 350EXC, uncork the tailpipe and get a fuel controller. You'll throw rocks at that pig 450L. 350 is probably faster and feels like a 125 handling in comparison.

@@JohnHowerton137 that’s what I’ve heard is the power is similar but without all the weight and bulk. They certainly have taken over the world this past decade for a reason that much is obvious

Haha. I know, I'm trying. Got the gift of gab from my Mom and I've been in sales all my life. It's a disastrous combo for youtube. LOL

Máté Bunya Alta also has a way bigger battery. The Freeride produces 31fp of torque. Its got quite a bit. Look at a 300TPI dyno. Freeride produces the same peak torque but it does it long before 7,5k RPM. I wasn’t trying to compare the two bikes, more bashing people who do. Basically my point of this video was... with the specs scaled, Altra really isn’t vastly superior, you just get more of everything. If Alta would’ve stayed in business, without question I’d have one right now. Reality is, the Freeride is really all I need it to be. The suspension is going to be sick when I get back. If I could tune the engine up about 15% across the board I’d be in heaven. I’d have zero disadvantages on our little motocross tracks and even some advantage. It would cut the run time to right about 20 minutes, which is still good enough and in line with the Alta duration in the higher maps.

Moo Mkarm it is, I just pinned a comment for a correction. The little system doesn’t look very efficient. If you were able to hot swap I doubt it would suffice.

If KTM can do it, what the f are they waiting for? The Alta has been the dominating electric dirtbike for the last 5 years, no other bike can compete in terms of performance. So why is KTM pussy footing around with this freeride bullshit? Show us what you got KTM! Lets see you do it so easily!

bwhaskell dominating, and there is still only 2 at the track with 600 other bikes... predominantly orange ones. KTM dominates basically every niche except electric MX and that’s because that niche doesn’t really exist. KTM sells more Freerides than Alta did all units. KTM isn’t getting into e-MX yet, just like Nike doesn’t care about Triathlon. HOKA One One is the Alta of shoes. Just like KTM, if you think Nike gives a shit about triathlon or HOKA, you’re mistaken. If you don’t think Nike could dominate triathlon, just like KTM couldn’t dominate e-MX, you need to get your head out of the clouds. If you listened to the video, KTM is going for the mobility market. Way bigger sales, just like Nike goes for lifestyle. Billions more dollars than run shoe sales. We love MX, but the rest of the world could care less. They just want an electric scooter to commute to liberal arts classes at a university or buzz across the city to work in India.

It does, but it’s backwards from US bicycles. I swapped my MTB brake to right hand front about a year ago, but it massively affected my wheelie duration because my left hand is weak and so is my rear brake. Landed on my ass good once 🤣

@@JohnHowerton137 Haha! Yeah i get the problem with hand breaks. I use both scenarios with bicycles,speedy downhill with Transition at right front and freeride drops with intense left front. because need to shift gears. Getting old with shattered knees i tried e-xc in austria 2016 and got hooked immediatly. What you said about ktm e bike is true. Its fabulous! No matter witch way you look at it is great bang for buck. Bought two 2019 versions to bring a friend. Did you know that Austrian dealers have a rent a battery service.

I knew there was leasing service for them, but rental would be badass! Going to a race? Rent a extra battery or two for the weekend!!! Practice, 1st, 2nd moto! 😍

I've always had my front brake right on my bicycles. Am amazed by friends that switch back and forth motorcycle to bike without problems. Have always warned people when loaning out my bicycles but still a few have gone over the handlebars

Steve Forslund what’s weird is that right/rear left front is totally normal to me on a bicycle. Been hard to adapt when I switched that MTB over, but its been natural on the Freeride. I think because I just expect the right to be front on the Freeride being a motorcycle.

There was a Formula update in 2018. The new ones seem to be pretty decent. Better than most the Japanese trail bikes by a long shot. I'm sure they can still boil, the master cylinders are small. I've run them through the ringer on the moto track in the mud with big hills and never experienced fade. The fluid is getting darker though, so I suspect it will need more frequent changes.

Mic Well MSRP 10,4

67% more battery, 50% more power, essentially the same range. Unlikely the same range in the top map (haven’t tested personally). The point was there is range limitations no matter what. $2,000 + $1,500 Yamaha generator = You could have another KTM battery to swap in in 90 seconds. Are you going to podium Straight Rhythm on a Freeride? Nope, won’t even qualify... but In a few years you’ll have “real” paperweight with zero resale. In a few years the KTM will have even more battery tech and will still be in production. Likely in 3 versions. And if demand is great enough, they’ll produce a “real dirt bike” you can buy. Demand isn’t great enough, because people are still bitching about range, while standing next to the wall with their iphone plugged in to comment on how bad ebike batteries suck, and they haven’t ridden their gas bike for two months, because all their riding areas are closed, because their damn 4 stokes carry sound to the next county. That was the point. Nothing wrong with the points. I’d race an Alta in a second. I’d have one if they hadn’t folded. I was looking. I was actually disappointed KTM pick them up. Must not have made business sense. Now go take some deep breaths while doing some silent burnouts in the yard. Ride on ✊

​@@JohnHowerton137 You can get a 2019 MXR with 4 hours on it for $7500 (best deal I have found) and the liquidation company that purchased all of the remaining parts is supporting the Alta community. They have enough parts to keep everyone running for a long time. Additionally, the Alta community has been able to fix and repair the small portion of bikes that have acted up and it seems that future repairs will be pretty feasible. I don't think they will lose value past what they have already lost because of the sheer amount of money each one is worth just in parts. I don't think there will be a comparable bike to the Alta for several years maybe even 5. The freeride is a cool bike but its capabilities are more limited. I get your point about the bikes being in different classes. They were designed and marketed for different groups of people. Comparing them isn't really fair I agree. Though I would say the Alta can do almost everything the Freeride can do and it doesn't go the other way mostly when it comes to racing and motocross. The hot-swappable battery is nice. That is the one thing in my mind that Freeride has over the Alta but for the cost of a near new Alta now, the benefit gets outweighed. I also am biased as I have an MXR. In terms of range for map 4 I can get about 45 minutes hammering on a fast large motocross track with loamy dirt and in map 1 or 2 which is what I used for single track I can get 30 miles more or less at race pace, this is in muddy rooty New York. Some guys consistently get closer to 40 miles.

John Howerton I agree with many of your points. But i don’t think range is the main factor holding people back. It’s the price. I guarantee that not many people are going to pay over 11k otd for a bike that feels like a toy compared to their 300 2 strokes that was cheaper. Once Ktm brings their price down a lot, I believe they will have more sales.

They aren’t coming down in price. No dirtbikes will. Governments are making it too hard on the companies. Battery tech is too expensive. It is what it is. Enduro Dirtbikes are 10k now. None of us like it. So far, it was worth every penny. I’ve ridden more in two weeks than my 250 smoker in 5 months. Range is the factor. I message people all day long about it. The range of the bike isn’t amazing (none of them are), but it isn’t that bad either. It’s all perspective. I’d love to have a bike with a battery that lasts all week. I’d love to not take my gas can to the race track either. It’s not a adventure bike and it isn’t marketed that way.

Matthew Finley that’s great to hear. Def would give me some piece of mind having bought one. I think Honda’s will be out sooner than later. I just had another guy comment he has 2 MXRs that he races. Map 4 lasts 20 minutes. I’ve been told that by others as well. Not saying you’re fibbing or anything, but I think it just depends on how you ride it. Just like a trail rider gets 2 hours on his CR450 tank and Ken Roczen gets 40mins.

But it does. It's relevant enough. I guarantee you this motor is capable of more horsepower and torque, and actually the battery would last longer if it had more in a lot of conditions. I'd explain, but you probably wouldn't understand. You do realize KTM designed this bike 4 years before the BRD Redshift right? They were coming off the line before Alta even existed. And the fact remains... Alta now DOESN'T exist. If I had $10K disposable income I'd have and Alta. They were and are great, but 3 years from now they'll be nearly obsolete. KTM, Yamaha, Honda will all be stepping up with lighter and better EMX bikes and the Freeride will still exist and be traded in the girlfriend bike capacity like a CRF or TTR 230.

Did you even watch the video? 🤣

@@JohnHowerton137 Half of it🤷‍♀️

@@dirtbikesfordinner3706 well, when you’ve actually listened and comprehended it... then I’ll entertain your thoughts.

Work perfectly if I was doing what was intended for them. It’s sprung for someone 20lbs lighter and valved for trials. Guarantee you I can sack the crap out of the GasGas enduro suspension too. Why do you think every factory race team spends the better part of the off season trying to find a suspension setting? Because one size doesn’t fit all. It doesn’t even fit the same track from the morning to the afternoon. It’s like saying the bike’s engine is terrible and you’re riding it at 8,000ft elevation in the summer when it was jetted for sea level. Tires are crap! Running Desert tires in a mud race at 14 PSI 🤦‍♂️

@@JohnHowerton137 In Australia youd pay a 3k premium over a GasGas 300 that has better suspension from factory . Now be honest , if ktm offered KYB or Ohlins as a no extra cost option , how many people would tick the wp option ?

Alex Frankl If we’re staying on topic... the BRD/Alta models did have Ohlins from what I remember. Not sure if that’s the stuff Hill roached out... or if they had switched to producing something in-house. Didn’t care enough to research it, but Alta switched to WP. KTM used to come with Ohlins. They used Marzocchi also. Funny enough, the PDS WP shock on my KTM 250 (which many models and years share) is a design rumored to be leased from Ohlins (I have not verified that). It’s cool if you’re into GasGas and KYB man, but saying that Hondas suck because you like Toyotas better is kind of lame. You never have research to back up anything anyway, so I’m not even sure why I reply to you, other than to educate others. The wrist injury that probably killed any chance of me turning pro was CAUSED by KYB suspension. Kawasaki insisted on using progressive springs. I had new straight rate ones on order (just like my freeride and my 250). It packed up in some bumps (common characteristic) right before I tripled into a rhythm section sending me sideways up the face. I ate shit into the face of the forth jump and never rode with a working left hand ever again. The springs arrived about a day or two later. I should have stayed off the bike. It wasn’t the first time that suspension had bitten me. My ego got in the way when I heard one of the Pros had tripled it before me... while I got stuck at work that day. I built that bike’s the motor myself, re-sprung it and maybe re-valved the front. I loaned/sponsored the bike to a factory support Team Green MX rider who won the Pro Women’s National championship on it. I hated that bike. You don’t see me commenting on videos that “KYB sucks” because mine and OODLES of other people’s experience on stock KYB. Hell, the magazines pretty much wouldn’t even test the bikes without removing the crap springs they put in that stuff. My friend loved riding Yamahas at the time, because Hill was. He got some of Josh’s take off RG3 KYB stuff. Said it was a so much better. His Dad, one of my best friends, was always pissed because he never used the stock bike to practice because the suspension was so much worse. Same friend narrowly lost the 250 WORCS title riding KTM PDS because he DNFed like 3 rounds due to the original 250Fs smoking CDI boxes.

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Jason Boden much further yes, but not if you factor in 67% more battery. In fairness, it is like 71% further, but the point is it’s not “way” or worlds different when you compare all factors.

Calv 86 Review? Who said it was a review? Did you even listen to it?

Hadn't heard that, but I know for sure HP on a dyno doesn't translate to real speed on the track most of the time. This thing is smooth as it gets and you are moving really fast before you know it. Hope to do a lap time comparison to my 250 MX bike (50+ hp) fairly soon. Limited due to the state being shut down right now. Almost positive I'm faster on this "Toy bike" than my "real bike." I kind of already know I am. Rode them back to back and took times, but I was already tired and riding the ebike after it was raining and muddy. Only 3 sec slower over 3mins... in.the.mud.

@@JohnHowerton137 The cool thing about motors, same torque at every point in the RPM!

More or less. This bike goes flat on top pretty quickly. Headed out right now. Might try some gearing changes to see if it eases up map 3 and lets it pull longer. The E-SX model used a 46T and the E-XC uses a 48T. The hilarious thing about it all. I was searching for a 50T because I figured I would need this toy bike to pull harder based on what people say online 🤣 Now I'm thinking about some of the jumps I hit that require closer to 50MPH to get over. It does it, but it goes a little flat on top. The fact that it gets to momentum faster though might be enough. It accelerates 15-40mph faster than my 350 by 1/2 second in 3rd gear... which is the gear I hit those jumps in. I tested it yesterday. The video was shitty or it would be uploaded now. Plus E will carry a lot more speed in the corner and I can scrub the jumps from the corner harder keep that momentum for the bigger ones.

@@JohnHowerton137 Yup, internal combustion engines can be tuned to deliver their torque peak at different RPMs. So the acceleration can also be tuned. Motor acceleration is flat by comparison after some point. I suppose they will devise motor controllers to fix this in the future though.

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It’s a great little bike. Had so much fun on it! When I first started uploading videos there was a TON of people (who’ve never ridden one) bashing on them. It was really getting under my skin as a guy who’s been around motorcycles for a very long time. The idea of this video was to put things into context. Is it an Alta? No. Is a Honda Accord a race car? No. Doesn’t mean they suck and people can’t have fun on them. Even though I haven’t gotten the suspension done yet (next week), people were a little surprised at the track yesterday. Top A riders would not have gotten away from me with suspension fixed.

If I had an Alta I wouldn’t be trading it in for the Freeride, but the point of the video was... a whole lot of fun can be had on the Freeride. It’s not worthless like a lot of people make it out to be. It’s a pretty legit little bike. Like a 230cc sized bike that can be upgraded. It’s the next best e-moto that’s been produced... and the the best that’s still being produced. Bonus is that it’ll still have resale value in 5 years when the Alta wont. The Freeride isn’t a replacement for a primary gas bike, but it can do/go a lot of places a gas bike can’t. I love my 250F, but I love this ebike just as much in a totally different way.

When KTM puts electric motor in a 250F chassis, I’ll be the first in line.

@@JohnHowerton137 yeah me too, the Gas Gas colors would look cool also.

@@orionsoars9953 they actually had a legit looking electric trials bike that was up for preorder before the KTM merger. Be interesting to see if they use that for anything. I’d be on board with a MX-E 😋

@@JohnHowerton137 I agree, thanks to your reviews it shows how capable the bike is. I was specting the suspension not to be a serious suspension and it is not but it's better than i thought. I was hoping the Alta made it to Canada but sadly it didnt, KTM sounds like it's going it's own way with the elctrics and getting some success, wished though that the manufacturers learned from each other, the engineering on the powerplant for the Alta was right on the money. I ended up getting the husqvarna 2 stroke 250 enduro, it's incredible. now I see the freeride woud be a nice adition!, keep the reviews up!