Kyler vs Sedris vs Ludevic vs Arixmethes EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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@DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

Yes, the act of zoning your commander doesn't use the stack and takes priority over the ITB trigger. In order for the commander to be taken, it has to be something like Necromantic Selection, where the act of destroying and stealing the creature is all in a single effect.

@rhynncrowley7337 2 года назад

More common in Blink decks because Thassa, Deep Dwelling and Conjurer’s Closet permanently steals stolen commanders

@Bammab127 2 года назад

Actually, a judge ruled in 2013 that ITB would steal a commander As stated "The key point is that It That Betrays’s triggered ability lets it grab a sacrificed creature from the first zone that creature goes to. Normally, this is the graveyard. But suppose you’ve summoned It That Betrays to your side. If I sacrifice my commander and use its special replacement effect to put it in the command zone instead of the graveyard, my commander never hits the graveyard at all. As a result, the command zone is the first zone my sacrificed commander visits, and It That Betrays will fish my commander right back out of the command zone onto the battlefield - under your control! What a betrayal indeed."

@bryceervin5598 2 года назад

@@Bammab127 As of late the rules committee changed how commanders dying works. Commanders do hit the graveyard but only for a split second and then if you choose to, do get put into the command zone. So ITB no longer steals creatures from the command zone because they no longer existed in the graveyard.

@DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

@@Bammab127 That's not how it works anymore. Zoning the commander will only be a replacement effect if it goes to the hand or library. Nowadays, a commander going to the graveyard or exile will prompt its owner to choose to zone it or not the next time state-based actions are checked. Because this doesn't use the stack, it'll happen before ITB's trigger even goes to the stack, and the zoned commander will have no memory of its previous existence, so ITB can't steal it.

@Bammab127 2 года назад

@@DarkEinherjar So it hits that zone, but doesn't stay there so death triggers work, but stuff that'd target it in the grave won't work

@TyranitarStudios 2 года назад

That countersquall after the Lion's eye diamond activation was brutal

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

It was ROUGH

@thengine7 2 года назад

Brutal!

@quinoacowboy 2 года назад

and equally satisfying :D

@kasualh 2 года назад

Watching Shane's deck go off was great. Watching Ben get hosed with his own turn two Jin, also great. You play Jin, especially that early, anything goes. Fun game.

@BelieMyBurial 2 года назад

hardest i've ever laughed on this channel was that 800$ dollar turn getting absolutely obliterated by a Countersquall.

@coryirvin6651 2 года назад

This game is just another reason I never play Jin, he's always either immedietly taken out, or worse, cloned/taken control of and I end up being on the other end of him. He's never worth the slot.

@kingfuzzy2 2 года назад

Just run an indestructible shroud spellbook ( :

@cclynchfilm 2 года назад

Turn 3 Jin-Gitaxias? No big deal Lands in front? We’re fighting

@ec3189 2 года назад

That should be illegal :)

@4oWhat 2 года назад

@@ec3189 it is I think, pretty sure Wizzard made some rule where you have to have clarity on the board for your opponent after some controversial plays.

@cameronc530 2 года назад

It is unfortunate that Shane immediately mills a Bojuka Bog.

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

We laughed pretty hard at that.

@Googleflax 2 года назад

While he obviously wouldn't have won doing this, Ben could have killed himself with the talisman, thus exiling the Thassa, the Jin-Gitaxias, a few lands, and preventing Shane from milling off the Mesmeric Orb. Would have 100% been a pure spite play, but I'd still have loved to see it.

@frankschirmer9464 2 года назад

I'm not sure I would have called it a spite play, but it certainly was the correct line. The spite play, from my viewpoint, would have been conceding outside of card mechanics.

@Googleflax 2 года назад

@@frankschirmer9464 Anything that doesn't actually increase your chances of winning and you do just to screw over an opponent is considered a spite play.

@lushG678 2 года назад

Kyler is extremely dangerous, call of the coppercoats can win you the game depending on boardstates

@thorpate1698 2 года назад

I've seen that deck absolute Pubstomp tables , It is definitely a kill on sight commander or be ready to scoop up

@CriticoDeNo0bs 2 года назад

5:45 that single play was more expensive than my whole collection, probably

@andyspendlove1019 2 года назад

Lol that Countersquall after stealing his Jin-Gitaxis was beautiful 😆

@xSpanishManx 2 года назад

excellent game of archenemy! lmao also glad you guys confirmed threshold was active! really though it's good to showcase games like these because it really shows how powerful certain decks can be - good on Shane for building a dope deck

@fabusel6538 2 года назад

Loved the Gameplay! But what i loved even more is the new background music, so subtle but relaxing! :)

@heatedchill6632 2 года назад

A turn 3 Jin-Gitaxias, seems fair xD watching Shane win with Ludevic was awesome for me to see!

@calebtan1042 2 года назад

That mesmeric orb was definitely an oh shit why for the table when ludevic necrogenius is out

@ludwigfleischhacker3673 2 года назад

Thats what u get for running jin-gitaxias :D

@jarrybryant718 2 года назад

@liddantheone 2 года назад

Bringing jin-gitaxias and LED playing your lands in front. He had it coming.

@jellysandjamz250 2 года назад

Are there any Preators that don’t cause rage 😂

@liddantheone 2 года назад

@@jellysandjamz250 Plenty! Urabrask, new Vorinclex, Sheoldred. Jin-gitaxias and old Vorinclex is definitely the most anti-fun.

@jellysandjamz250 2 года назад

@@liddantheone well Urabrask is red, so does it really even count 😂 Running land shenanigans is a sure fire way to make your friends hate you

@kieranwouter2361 2 года назад

I adore the ponder pause!

@Quroe_ 2 года назад

The best way I can quickly describe Commanders going to the Command Zone is that it happens at state-based-action speed.

@smack80 2 года назад

LED + Wheel of Fortune is like a $1000 combo. Countersquall is 35 cents lolololol

@R3idMore 2 года назад

Proving you could do stuff in EDH with any budget.

@cinosaurus 2 года назад

love to see it

@mrzhou7685 2 года назад

More front-end land players, and other crimes against humanity...

@TheBalogna7 2 года назад

For an early Jin game, this was pretty fun to watch. A lot of cool points of interaction and back and forth.

@afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад

I pulled a Ludovic when drafting and he is fun to play with! I am gonna put him in my mill deck as one of the 99

@Minecanusia 2 года назад

What a cool game. Thanks!

@coreymalensek 2 года назад

Would love to see a rematch of this.

@smack80 2 года назад

Ben is teaching a master class in how to own yourself

@MageSkeleton 2 года назад

i like how the deck that wanted a graveyard used the other blue/black deck's stuff more than it's own. Speaking of the mesmeric Orb was something that could be sacrificed to retain one more land. Kyler is scary without all that removal control happening from the one player using the other players deck. it the betrays really feels like a low hanging fruit though, but you can't deny how good it is.

@lexistar8517 2 года назад

Rough game for Ben, but that's how playing that greedy goes sometimes. Either win big or get stomped.

@thorpate1698 2 года назад

Did anyone else get tilted by the lands on top guys or is it just me ?

@GIANTCADET 2 года назад

This was a fun game of two headed giant!

@greengandalfziggy1 2 года назад

Shane and Ben putting their lands up top above their nonland permanents bugs the hell out of me.

@greekPharaoh666 2 года назад

Lands in the front. Damn my eyes hurt! :)

@TheGFFA 2 года назад

I nearly spat out my drink when the Wheel of Fortune that followed the cast of Lion's Eye Diamond was countered. It was especially gratifying that it was after the LED had been activated, considering how the LED and WoF player had reanimated Jin-Gitaxias on turn 2.

@dcrow9650 2 года назад

Ben: I Play Jin-Gitaxias Shane: Is that for me? 👉👈 Edit: I surprised that the Kyler deck didn't use Torens, Fist of the Angels or Cathars Call. They are a low cost way to put a lot more of humans in table.

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

Shane: It mine.

@TheSuperdave800 2 года назад

Honestky been looking for a solid non pure white human deck. This might take the cake, even if the Simic player in me loves that deck more

@Nr4747 Год назад

I immediately called that playing Mesmeric Orb against that Ludevic deck was a bad idea the second I saw it cast.

@faerie7dragon 2 года назад

I wanna build Kyler so bad, there is so many fun Humans to use, just need a few cards.

@afspeellijstnaruto 2 года назад

I bought the precon a while ago and lost every game with Leinire at the helm. Same for Kyler ..but with kyler I was archenemy haha. I bought some upgrades for the deck to put more emphasis on human tribal and I'lll get rid of the mediocre coven mechanic

@kingfuzzy2 2 года назад

Hope to see some spicy jank ( :

@duskninja23 2 года назад

Feel like you need a trigger warning when people play lands in front 🤣

@CurlyHeadGod 2 года назад

Ben: "You guys will have to deal with Jin" Shane: "no u"

@kingfuzzy2 2 года назад

( : oh joy

@Quroe_ 2 года назад

OJ's playmat is something special.

@thelunchlady8276 2 года назад

The sleeves were nice, too.

@josephtarmey6020 2 года назад

I love mill my gyruda deck is probably my fav deck I have

@diarrhearulz 2 года назад

Would blinking Jin put it back under its owners control?

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

It depends on the wording of the blink. Thassa says it comes back under your control, so it'd work in the way it did in the game.

@diarrhearulz 2 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah the more you know!

@spidermansdonkey 2 года назад

Wouldn't it have dissapeared since it was a token that left the battlefield?

@DoomGuyDestructotron 2 года назад

@@spidermansdonkey Ghouls' Night Out doesnt make them tokens. It puts the actual creatures onto the battlefield and adds Decayed to them.

@davideleidi9361 2 года назад

Oh my God again the lands in front horror

@Havok91 11 месяцев назад

I've had a Sedris reanimator deck for almost a decade so it hurts to see the deck get so heavily blown out. My deck has NEVER felt great to play as it's just a general reanimator good stuff pile, and it hurt to watch another Sedris deck get blown out so heavily. Even though my deck didn't often lose, it never won due to, or even WITH Sedris so now I'm changing the deck to add more spice by making it a themed deck built around the story of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or the Modern Prometheus.

@joshrobinson2409 2 года назад

I have a meren deck that can win on turn two I'm really proud of that one.

@Kazz1187 2 года назад

Jin gitaxias doing Jin things, absolutely brutal

@andrewrockwell1282 2 года назад

I live Kyler and Adeline is the best card you can put in his 99.

@horseasaurus2940 2 года назад

At 7:15, doesn't Shane take 22 damage? I thought you sent Adeline and 2 tokens at him. Adeline's extra tokens come in, giving Kyler 3 counters, pumping your humans. So you end up with Adeline at 10 power (7 creatures plus Kyler pump) and three 4/4 tokens heading at Shane. I think the original 2 tokens were forgotten, unless I missed something.

@leet9548 2 года назад

Trust me, Kyler's a beast of a human themed leader. I was rooting for you but as win cons go...

@middknight5202 2 года назад

Everytime I play Mesmoric Orb with my graveyard deck somehow someone else benefits way more from it. Greedy play with so little lands and a hopeful LED. Also I dont get how Ben didn't take more than 16 from Adeliene and 6 tokens swinging in getting buffed by Kyler by 3? Did i miss something?

@Arutima Год назад

That mesmeric orb was the worst play ever against a deck that wants to mill itself.

@Millus1987 2 года назад

at least Lab Maniac has a very good flavor in a Ludevic deck

@sloanmurray6799 2 года назад

That countering the wheel in response to the LED activation was pretty...cutthroat, I guess, but also a great play I cheered at, and I'm usually the guy who actually likes wheeling for reanimator purposes.

@hrocxvid 2 года назад

Yeah… only thing I’m going to say is Jin Gitaxias is a double edged sword

@maxbodifee3263 2 года назад

Ban Shane 🔨

@delasvegas9644 2 года назад

Those who live by the Jin, die by the Jin

@thesxex 2 года назад

you miscounted damage like every time you attacked with Adeline

@DXD504 2 года назад

Screw thassa's oracle but lab man is cool.

@guyatanosavia8487 7 месяцев назад

That early Jin was greedy, playing against opponents who all have access to low curve targeted removal and slowing your own ramp early when you're not green or an artifact deck is probably not the play imo. But hey, sometimes when you see the crazy play you just gotta make it and I get that. I think it would have been better to build up more of a mana base or wait until you have more answers you can utilize

@jtizzle450 2 года назад

oh geez i know this is the dumbest thing, but how does one play magic with lands in front of your other boardstate.. would drive me insane

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

That's how they were taught back in the earlier editions.

@ChuzzPuff 2 года назад

Man! I can’t believe that you’re already inviting celebrity guests on to play Magic with you! To play with the one and only O.J. Simpson would be a true honor! I’m jealous

@ThomasEbel27 2 года назад

Jin constantly warps games. No ifs ands or buts. If he manages to survive, that's it. Game over

@morrius0757 2 года назад

This was just a bad match-up for Kyler, if there was a rule zero I wouldn't have even considered running that deck. Kyler needs A LOT of protection to run because he's one of those Commanders where they have a big red bullseye.

@DrFrogman 2 года назад

Who hurt those guys with the lands in front? The only reason i can see is to tilt other people😂 thats everything but practical or is there any other good reason to play like that just to do it different than its normal? I mean it works tilting me, just not the best sign if you wanna do that on purpose imo 😂😂

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

That's how they learned to play.

@DrFrogman 2 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah at first i thought my screen is funny or something 😂 Well fair, still its confusing to play half this and half that way

@DrFrogman 2 года назад

@@MrNemitri dryad harbor or something alike, dont know how to spell it proper

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

@@DrFrogman Dryad Arbor, yep! That's the one.

@wixxer66 2 года назад

I think it is an clear rule that the lands take there place under the creatures and other stuff.

@DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

Lesson of the day: don't get greedy, especially when you see blue on the other side of the table. Also, don't broadcast to the table that you're about to bring Jin-Gitaxias on your next turn, and don't bring it at all if you suspect your opponent is running reanimation as well.

@zacknair6202 2 года назад

Feels good because it looked like Ben was bringing a much higher power deck than the rest of the table, or at least a lot more expensive deck.

@mikecarrozza91 2 года назад

Anybody mention the lands on top yet or am I that asshole this time?

@kevinkennedy3643 2 года назад

Ok Ben was way too agressive. And y would u play a card to Mill someone that's actively trying to mill

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

He was also trying to mill

@kevinkennedy3643 2 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah ok fair point. Just really was playing incredibly reckless and hoping no one had interaction.

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

@@kevinkennedy3643 Yea, it was an interesting play. He was also pretty hosed after that one counter on his greedy play.

@cresty 2 года назад

Anyone who puts one of the original praetors in their deck deserves to have them stolen and used against them haha

@jessedotson5998 2 года назад

I’m pretty sure that because It that betrays does not specify RETURNING a sacrificed permanent under your control that the sacrifices permanent never hit the graveyard, without a commander changing zones Shane should have gotten kyler

@DarkEinherjar 2 года назад

With the new rule, the sacrificed commander hits the graveyard, then immediately moves to the command zone the next time state-based actions are checked. It will no longer have any memory of its previous existence, so ITB can't steal it.

@Customerbuilder 2 года назад

Lands in front...ugh!

@jarednadler5211 2 года назад

When you sac Kylar Shane would have gotten it. It that betrays does not care where the permanents go after getting sac. If it goes to the yard, exile or command zone it that betrays will drag them back

@liamw.1313 2 года назад

That’s incorrect. Kyler gets sacrificed and goes to the graveyard. It that betrays trigger goes on the stack. Before that trigger resolves, the commander rules allow Muddstah to move his commander to the command zone. The trigger no longer sees kyler, since it has moved zones.

@jarednadler5211 2 года назад

@@liamw.1313 oh ok I'm still remembering the old rules before the 2020 dies update.

@kevinholmes3587 2 года назад

why do people play with lands in front 💀💀💀

@ErikTheRedd1 2 года назад

This was like the most miserable game

@glasseagle8368 2 года назад

lands below creatures

@Khiash 2 года назад

what kind of psychopath plays with their lands in front like that..?

@coachgonzalezpg1742 2 года назад

I’d rather someone play Jin Gitaxias against me vs play lands in front

@Optimator7 2 года назад

You need to get these land-in-front clowns out of your life immediately

@dougnapier6441 2 года назад

rule zero should be no lands in front, just looks bad for a video that will be seen by thousands for one meme joke.

@MTGMuddstah 2 года назад

Alternatively, I could let people play how they want so that both the players and most of the viewers have fun.

@dougnapier6441 2 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah If we ever play I will form a hexagonal shape for my land distribution, surrounding my deck which will be in the center of my playmat. I will embrace the aesthetic chaos you allow to the maximum.