They ought to be ashamed of their slack police work. Absolutely ashamed. This case needs to be used for police/detective training as an example of what NOT to do when dealing with an attractive narcissist.
i tell ya what. i worked in a Common Pleas Court for 9 years, and of the three divisions, criminal, civil and domestic relations, domestic relations was the most vile. And when a fight like this goes on for this long - one of the parties is nuts. Everything i've seen of this woman seems like she's putting on a show to bring attention to herself. Joking around with the cops minutes after her bro killed her ex, this guy in this video here.....
Todd U r right I saw and heard what one of the 👮 officer was saying joking around , flirting even said to evil Lorie something like your eyes r very blue, this is just after Charles' had been shot dead! So sad , disgusting and wrong !
Not only was Tylee sitting next to her, but Melanie Gibb was there also, as moral support for Lori. Anyone thinking Melanie Gibb is a "hero" for coming forward and cooperating with the police now needs to think again. She watched this trainwreck in slow motion and she didn't do anything to try to stop it.
I get triggered every time I see that footage! To see first hand Lori’s narcissistic sociopathic ways swoo law enforcement! It’s those characteristics that have gotten her to manipulate so many people! Those interviews should have been done by female officers!
Does no one see how messed up our judicial system is that this mother and stepfather murdered these children and they can't even charge them with murder. This is just not right!!!!!!
How does the saying go?... ‘It’s better for 10 guilty to escape justice than a single innocent to suffer’. While America’s justice system has its flaws, it’s the single best system on earth. Lori and Chad are off the streets while strong cases are being built against them. Everything needs to be proven in a court of law so they’re dotting their i’s and crossing their t’s. If you’re interested in corruption within the judicial system- keep your eyes on the Ghislaine Maxwell case. I would be willing to be everything I’ve ever owned that she’ll be “dead” before she ever talks.
Don't give up hope. I believe murder-related charges are coming. If LE and the DAs office rushes the investigation without all the evidence, there's a chance they could lose the case. I'd rather them be a little slow and meticulous to ensure a conviction.
Exactly. And Tylee being 17, SOON Mama's Income was going to Drop in 1/2! (Lori was getting $$ for raising JJ & Tylee. Almost $6,000 a month)I also heard Tylee's Father (Dead Husband # 3), had left Tylee a Trust Fund. So you can Bet Lori was Jealous.
She will be charged with murder for sure if not the kids maybe Joseph or Charles. Depends what all the text messages and or evidence makes up the strongest case could be any of the murders.
Surely they won’t be able to argue that she had a mental health episode and didn’t know what she was doing, she knew what she was doing enough not to tell the police about the zombies
So true, if she was psychotic, she would tell everyone about the zombies. She could chose what to say and what not to say, an absolute manipulator. She is not mentally ill.
He died of a heart attack. No point to reopen the case. Alex Cox tazed him cause he found out he molested his niece and nephew. I have no problem with this. It's good he's dead. Sad for his family though.
@@pinkpugginz well it's so reassuring to know that you know every single detail of Joe Ryan's life. I'm sure you are OK relying on all the "truthfull" information coming from Lori, Chad and her family as background for you immense knowledge. Because - as you know - they would have no possible reason to lie . . . . . right? Lot's of things could spur a heart attack . . . if indeed the is what he died from.
I think it was trauma with Tylee but Tammy and Alex , in my opinion, died from the same poison. There was a little left over from Tammy's. It was used on Alex. They seemed to have the same pulmonary issues.
About the poison, I got that idea from the Reverent Psychic who has researched the case. She talks about liquid poison left over and put in a pen holder. She describes it but I expect Chad was hiding it, for safe keeping.
@@Leolioness44 quite possibly. Thrybdidbt give the right assistance I thibk that one is complicated. I do believe Stacey may have had anorexia a dangerous co edition t9bhave when you have an illness that helps you self harm. Coming form coxbfamiky I'm n9t surprised she had issues. They all do. I'd say lot I exhibited before 15 yo a good pointer for anti social personality disorder and psychopathy traits thibk if it were sociopathy there's be SOME feeling over the loss of alex doesn't appear to be. And for many other reasons. Every man woman psychologist and his DOG likes to throw around sociopathy but I don't believe it fits..
@@HumanimalChannel you're absolutely right. The majority does not know the difference in psychopath vs sociopath. Sociopaths have some signs of a conscious. Psychopaths are void of conscious, emotions, empathy and are cold and calculated. They're also very charming and manipulative. She's the very definition of psychopath.
It’s interesting that Joseph Ryan was so obliging as to have a heart attack around the time of a custody battle, nothing to do with the fact that he had been tased of course This woman must have some serious manipulation abilities not to ever have been investigated despite so many people around her suddenly ‘just’ dying, 😕 RIP to all of LD’s victims x
Id assume the brother Alex killed the sister since he's clearly a serial killer who seems infatuated with Lori and her life........Alex seemed to have no life of his own?
Big red flag just how manipulative Lori is ...when they speak about an evaluation and she talks about NOT sleeping for 3 days but sure she'll take one....So many men drawn in by Lori's pretty face but unfortunately that face came with a very warped mind!
Be Real they’ve actually made their initial investment back about 5x over as of now, and it’s only been a day. Now it’s just profit for them. This is NOT to say this is wrong or bad in any way, not at all.
This officer basically told her she could leave at anytime and I think Jason Mow had told these officer’s to let her go in so many words. Tylee was acting like the mother. 🤦♀️
@@chinchillamdgamer (I think she meant sociopath.) We know that this Lori "person" is a manipulator at the highest degree. She is disgusting. YOU know she used those kids as pawns . . .
gosh colby probably wasnt molested she made him believe it. she is so good at lying. gosh how did colby not see it? how did he not see her lying? she was so good at it. gosh so many ppl had to die bec of her and she got away for such a long time. g-d have mercy and now we will throw the bus at her
I don’t think she is at all upset about killing her children. I think she’s upset because she’s in jail, away from her fellow god (Chad in case you are wondering) and has no access to her beauty products and clothes.
It makes no sense why she would fight so hard for custody of her children then to have them go missing and does nothing. Complete strangers were alarmed for the safety of her children. She should have been knocking down doors wanting to find these children instead all she did was to lie about their whereabouts. This alone shows she knew exactly that they were dead, either played a part in their deaths or knew what had been done. I feel lying became away of life for her and believed no one would question her lies , thank heavens these children had people that spoke out against her lies because these two beautiful children might never have been found.
"assaulted" the lawyers wife.... Assault can be ANYYYYYTHING it doesn't mean he harmed someone. Trip with a drink and it fly on someone by you .. that's assault. Assault can be ANY THING. Snatch a pen from someone... That's assault. I mean come on... Let's not bash the dead guy who can't speak for himself now.
Exactly! And after watching several of the police cam video footage of Charles on several different occasions, I think the man was extremely patient! So gonna go by what I've actually seen, vs. what some apparent police report says? 🤨 Since it wasn't made exactly clear what their source was for that info...I'm just assuming that's where they got it? Idk but would be great if they did cite their sources thou.
Does it surprise you that she would suck up Charles her husband in the custody battle with Ryan ? Charles was charged for assaulting the woman at the courthouse . He also allegedly assaulted Ryan on another occasion. Alex also assaulted Ryan in a separate incident and served jail time . Lori is a cute, narcissistic sociopath . She is a master at manipulating men and getting them to do her bidding . Charles like all the other men bought Lori’s lies without question until she decided it was his turn to be the bad guy . He thought she had lost her mind . No, he was just being shown her evil side that has always been there .
She killed her kids and all her husbands except chad... who knows she may still pull that off too... her brother and Chad's first wife I think she killed or manipulated other people to kill all of them those poor babies deserved better!
I wonder how many family and neighborhood pets went missing when Alex and laurie were kids....🤦♀️🤦♀️😑😑😬😬 I DO NOT believe charles was the only one who saw she was "crazy" her family saw this coming too....
@@MaddHeather wow. They were extremely lucky, I'm not being sarcastic she's pure Evil,. husband no.5 Chad dumbbell he's lucky he's in jail he probably would of ended up dead to once he served his purpose. And we sadly know the part he played. RIP Tyler and. JJ 💏🙏🙏
I'm wondering if Lori knows that Chad is on the witness list for the prosecutor against her. It might be why she suddenly wanted to be called Mrs. Daybell, hoping it would let him know she wants to stick together in their story, or hoping he can't testify against her since they're married. Unfortunately for both of them, in that state the law allows spouses to testify against each IF it concerns the welfare of children. So they can both testify against each other if either decides to sell the other out.🤣🤣🤣
Lori likely meets the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. She was practicing parental alienation against both of her children's fathers. Not how, in the conversation with police, Lori treats Tylee as her best friend rather than daughter. Lori tricked her daughter in to setting up her own murder. The police officer who fell under Lori's personality influence will take this to his grave (in terms of deep regret).
So, they killed him? They couldn’t find another drug for calming a handcuffed man already on his stomach with many people standing around and watching? Is that protocol?
Three grown men could not detain one 140 pound man without harming him enough to send for EMS? Really? In one of the Police body cams, I hear the officer say, "He's reaching for your gun" That young detainee was not reaching for the gun at all and I seriously suspect the police officer made sure to insert that phrase into the recording on purpose! All cops are not bad but this was overkill and uncalled for all together💞...
I've wondered about their training. I work with violent psychotic people, & have had some police apply for a job to earn extra income. They all said they had training in handling violent people safely but on their first shift each one of them barracaded themselves in my office & called me to come help them. 🤣 Not saying anyone was violent in this video, just pointing out that anyone of my regular staff can handle this. I'm a 5ft. 95lb woman & I can safely restrain a 6ft 200lb psychotic man by myself. Why don't police have this training?
@@caryulmer5578 I see your point and a dangerous job you have, I would not choose to do what you do. I have an older brother that was a police officer and it's common self-defense and restraint training but they are also trained that do the best to protect the detainee also foremost. I see not one of these three officers refraining from the amount of quickly escalating situation. They are not holding each other accountable. An officer is also in a high-stress position which can manifest into an adrenaline rush quickly and they are actually not using proper judgment. There was no need for back up, but may be protocol. Now we have three officers in different modes of response. A disaster...
@Diane Catts Wtf are you on??? I was only explaining that there are jobs where you get training to restrain people safely (mine is one of them) & question why police couldn't get similar training. Can't you read???
@@occamsrazor9183 Thanks for explaining this, it makes sense. It was a terrible thing to happen & has an impact on the public & the police trying to do their jobs well. They'll need some relationship building. The training we have isn't self defence training by any means, its a series of safe holds that restrains the person without hurting them or yourself. I really think it would help the police if they were trained in them, & make their jobs easier. I think police have a more high stress job than I do bc in my job I know what & who I'm facing every day, police never know what they'll be up against from day to day. That would raise my anxiety for sure.😄
He asked the wrong questions! The fact that a history of domestic calls for mental stability n abandoning the home while kids there n money taken. Hidden cars. Im wondering if Charles explained to the officer with lori n Tylee told him about why she was being evaluated n separating him from reality. If so the officer i feel should have just asked 2 questions to view state of mind and if she called it made up lies by Charles she CAN'T USE MENTAL OR RELIGIOUS DEFENSE
As an RN now retired, who practiced nursing for 50 years, I cannot fathom a "first responder" independently prescribing a dose of 500 mg of Ketamine. Yes, this should be vigorously investigated and misguided policies changed.
@@haleyt3754 oh yes, I sure hope so. I wish we could all find out the results of Tammy's autopsy. Been 7 months (I believe) since her body was exhumed.
@joe griffith the newest charges filed by the DA on Thursday July 2nd are all misdemeanors. They replaced the first initial charges that were dismissed. I was NOT referring to the second set of charges that are exactly like Chad's.
You know.... I’ve been watching since the beginning. Now, that I know the children are dead my heart is really hurting. I fell in love with these children and I find myself literally crying and heart heavy! Tylee- I wish I knew ya ! You sound like a great older sister who took care of her baby brother And took care of her mother! I’m so sorry baby girl!
I have to wonder if Alex didn't do something to the kiddo and he was taught to link it to the husband ... Not to mention you can convince a child something happened even if it doesn't. Can't say how many times I've seen that watching true Crime, over the years.
I have a question or 2, first where were the kids killed? Second why havent both Lori and Chad been charved with the murders of both kids if your destroying evidience that gives a resonable dought they killed them or they were invovled with their deaths and we are nor rght now asking how they killed them just that they were invovled with their deaths.
I actually stand corrected. Thank you for someone pointing that out. I meant that Chad's niece is married to Detective Hope's son. There is a big wedding picture of them all. I must say alleged and in my opinion because I am not the one doing the investigations.
Or she would not get any of her father's allowance, that monstress would manipulate anything and anyone , even her little baby girl / and little boy, even tho JJ was not her baby? Just to have her own evil, selfish, distructive, nasty way. Anyways where are JJs biological parents?? ¿???? Do they have anything to say about poor JJ? Poor, poor babies. My heart breaks 💔💔💙💜😭😭😭😭
Thank goodness for youtube, these true crime podcasts have educated me in the true ways of the world, where money, lust and power are the motivators for evil deeds.
The lead detective in Chad and Lori's case is married to Chad's niece. It is detective Hope, he is married to Chad's niece. Severe conflict of interest. Is this why no murder charges? This can not happen. Completely not ok.
She wanted to control Tylee so she could kill her when she became a woman. Until then she just wanted the child support. Poor Tylee had no clue her mother hated her that much.
There are still so many aching hearts for Charles, Tammy, Joseph, Tylee and JJ. IF ONLY. If only they had understood Charles' pleas for help. "You're going to get a padded room". "In the scenario..." --Tylee Scenario? You mean the orchestrated Ambush (of Charles)? How did Tylee handle hearing her own mother talking to her as if she were the dead sister , her Aunt Stacey? Poor kid...
I find it disrespectful that media, especially, continue to say "17" when she never had the chance to celebrate her 17th birthday. I'm so angry that there's a more than reasonable chance Chad and Lori will get away with murder. Idaho is trying to build a case, but in high profile cases, the longer it takes to bring the fullest charges, the less likely they are to come.
@@amyabarca4440 exactly and the media keeps saying Chad was stepfather...he was not, they died before Lori and him were married and Tammy was still alive in September, so that makes me mad as well, by now the media has the facts and needs to correct!!
@joe griffith I believe the information of stomach distress but am not entertained by the "poisoned" theory. My niece has abdominal distress in school, probably from nervous stress. There are also dietary culprits. The public is just making much ado about nothing because there isn't any evidence Lori intended to murder her kids before she met Chad.
Ms Russon ........You cannot underestimate that the Ryan kids were molested by their father . These kids should have been removed from both parents . If The children stated that they were being molested by their father they should not be with her father. And if there were concerns that mom was encouraging these kids to falsely accuse their father than they should've been removed from mom too and evaluations and investigations of all sorts should have been done . But under no circumstances do I believe it would've been OK for those kids to have be in father's custody or care because of the possibility that they were being coached by mom because there could've been a possibility that they were not coached by mom. Just thoughts from a social worker having worked in an imperfect system !
@@maggiek8239 No wonder the system is a mess. There was a long investigation and nothing proven but you still want to go after the guy who tried his very best to save his daughter and you defend Lori. How many people died because of ineffective people like you in the system. And how many lives ruined because people are afraid to even bring up their innocence.
Glenda Grant ....... Under no circumstances did I favor " saving" Lori and going after the "guy". Had you read my comment correctly, I stated completely the opposite . I stated that the children should have been removed from BOTH parents! The woman on the video stated that the children were taken from father because Lori had manipulated the children into saying that father had molested them ! Furthermore, they stated that father had an eval and was not deemed inappropriate for the children ........ I stand by my original comment ! I refuse further discussion with uneducated individuals. Educate yourself before you speak, please!
I looked up excited delirium and it states it is not recognized by professional medical associations. Excited delirium Excited delirium, also known as agitated delirium, is a syndrome that presents with psychomotor agitation, delirium, and sweating. It may include attempts at violence, unexpected strength, and very high body temperature. Complications may include rhabdomyolysis or high blood potassium. Excited delirium is not recognized by professional medical associations. No reputable medical organization - not the American Medical Association nor the American Psychological Association - recognize excited delirium as a medical or mental-health condition.Wikipedia Specialty: Emergency medicine, psychiatry Symptoms: Agitation, delirium, sweating Causes: Drug use, mental illness Differential diagnosis: Low blood sugar, heat stroke, thyrotoxicosis, paranoid schizophrenia, bipolar disorder Medication: Ketamine or midazolam and haloperidol Treatment: Sedation, cooling, intravenous fluids Frequency: Unknown
The documents being used are very important to this case, I am sure; however there is some super sensitive information regarding the now adult children that should not be publicized in my opinion. Other than that, yes let’s nail this woman to the wall!
We cannot as a nurse start ketamine on the floors. It is an anesthetic drug that we use for pain. It is started in the ICU than the pt is brought to the floor. If a pt needs that type of therapy they should be brought to a hospital! I cannot understand why a first responder would need ketamine. How about a little Ativan by first responder instead!
I bet those cops feel horrible about the final outcome for those kids. As for Maxwell I'm sure she knew she'd be caught. Nothing she does is unplanned.
Probably just blame her dead brother for it. SMH , they need to all go down. At any point in time she could of gave them children up ,maybe people on the Inside will take care of them.
How much did the LDS church's unknown & secretative rituals & or beliefs. You should not assume any alledged victim any age is telling the truth, is especially tricky with children.
