@@StealthTheFoxz Hey I might help the slavers, crucifiers, pillagers, rapists and terrorists but I still make the time to donate to the Followers every week. So don't you go calling me evil. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go kill those slaves forced to compete in the arena.
crazy how much better the writing is for this, and how much extra content you get by being a faction's friend, instead of just getting "another settlement needs your help"
@@gerald1495 tf are you on? Being able to pick and choose several factions to be allied with instead of “all vs one” is awesome. Being friends with the Khans, boomers, and remnants and getting to pick any of the major factions for them to follow is great! Better than anything Bethesda has done
@@gerald1495 You're defending the Fallout with the worst dialogue, the dumbest story, the most shallow themes, most repetitive and boring gameplay, the most unexciting open world, the most sleep-inducing exploration, and most non-existent RPG elements, and somehow HE'S the one who's 'glazing'?
0:23: I love the subtle reference to the game’s respawn mechanic. It basically tells you that if you want your legion loot you better remember to go grab it.
I'm pretty sure hes just telling you that you can't use the dropbox as your own personal container, as items placed in them will be destroyed every time the loot respawns
Friendly reminder for all not of the Legion : if you get access to the dropboxes, they'll still respawn for you, even if your faction relations plummet. My advice for optimal results is to gain enough favor with them to unlock it before deciding on who to actually side with.
@@ottovonbismarck7646 If I see a legionaire the bloodlust overtakes me and I immediately black out and wake up with vilified legion reputation, completely understandable
@@Roman_Imperator Nah, just hate slavers, simple as NCR has its own problems that also makes me hate them but I have no reason to discuss my opinions on the factions past this point :)
I think it would have made them much more interesting as enemies if they used Stealthboys in game and would make sense in aiding their mission in the Mojave. Nightkin are big an semi obvious when "invisible" but humans with them in combat(like those few seen in Lonesome Road) definitely catch you off guard and that was cool.
I really wanna see how Vupes Inculta reacts to you when you first arrive in Nipton, when you're basically already at the end of the game and about to meet up with the Legate. It'd be funny if it's the same "I won't have you lashed to a cross" and you be like, "Bro, I am literally Ceasers right hand man and am about to win Hover Dam."
He actually recognizes you after he invited you to the fort. He even jests about wearing a Wolf Head and in overall seems to appreciate that you are around.
if you're further into the questline without talking to him at nipton and then fast travel there, he will ask why you're so far from your objectives (aka all the way down at nipton) and won't give you the cold heart quest or whatever it's called.
I noticed that the Legion despite being more or less the "bad guys" seem to truly appreciate those who help them. The NCR forces you to join them to get benefits, whereas the Legion willingly gives you items for free just for being an ally to them.
The NCR are only the "good guys" because the game wasn't finished. There's not enough instances reading available to see their corruption. Them killing off stragglers who get near their water for instance. It's a shane there's only say much corruption available to see from them in the base game. Them being goons for the biggest rangers for instance is pure tyranny.
Hey, if you want to be idolized by both the NCR and the Legion whilst doing a Mr House or a Yes Man playthrough, commit as many crimes against the Legion, including nuking them, and ONLY them at the end of Lonesome Road, which should give you the idolized reputation with thw NCR. And then only head to the strip and get pardoned by Vulpes or Alerio. Then span as many MCR dogtags and give them to Alerius of Pheonix for a Legion rep boost. Do that until you get idolized and you should either stay idolized until the end of the game or sometimes you might get one of those reputation levels like Wild Child, which works differently for either of them. The NCR trooper and rangers won't attack you with that reputation level but the Legion will
@@zombiefanatic4833 yes but if you do things that don't impact either of them, then they won't send the death squads after you. Always worked like a charm. Also you know that gas station that nearby the billboard where you find the lonesome drifter? If you ever fast travel there whilst having their death squads after you, just take a good look around yourself and if you notice them, RUN LIKE HELL. This is how I got the Legion death squads off mu back when they started going after me
@@yourethinkingtoomuchstopit you know the images are based on Google history.. So if anything actually bad does come up then that's on you *profligate*
Really happy to see your viewership go up again, you make really great content for Fallout, things I haven't seen before and I've been playing FNV since release.
I would love the Legion minus the slave part. Like they have little girls as slaves, they are using little girls as sex slaves so that is just really offputting to me
It's a real shame that Legion content is lacking. So much of the game is NCR-related, sidequest or mainquest. Legion, in spite of being one of the primary factions, only has a small handful of sidequests. I wish the game map were larger, with Vegas in the center north, slightly westward, but the west being NCR and part of California, and the east being Legion and part of Colorado. The river should've run roughly through the middle. It'd be neat to see the polarity of life between the west and the east, as well as the skirmishes along the border. I believe that, if the Legion had more quests and characters, they'd be appreciated more. Still, their rep reward rewards are so much better than any other faction, so I suppose that's an incentive: lucky shades, and those weekly boxes have amazing stuff in there - at the very worst, you'll still get a lot of money through Denari and selling the stuff you don't want, on top of Denari being used for Coin Shot 12 gauge shells.
@@amygobrrrThat's exactly what I was going to say, no amount of new content is going to make up for the fact that they enslave people and regularly commit genocide.
@@supremegroden3021 taking slaves, crucifying people, treating women like shit isn't plenty cartoonish to you? the fact groups of people have been as bad or worse in real life doesn't mean the legion aren't the unambiguously evil faction with basically no redeeming qualities
@@amygobrrrThat's not cartoonish at all. They have their own solid reasons to do such things despite the moral bankruptcy, making them complex antagonists that fit in post-apocalypse theme. Legion are the pragmatic lawful evil in this case with their unapologetic brutal discipline.
I don't think its fair to say that they have no redeeming qualities, Caesar's law may be brutal, and many actions and elements of the legion may be immoral (by modern standards certainly). But along with that brutality and control, Caesar brought peace and prosperity to Arizona, Colerado and Utah by unifying all of the groups of tribals and raiders under his banner by force. No, the territories under Caesars legion are not a nice place to live, but they were subject to much more savagery, evil and barbarity before the Legion took control. This is evidenced by a quotation by Raul Tejada (the companion that the courier finds in Black Mountain) when asking what he thinks of the legion. He says as follows: "I don't really have a problem with them. People around here tend to see them as invading marauders planning to burn and pillage the countryside. But I've been to Arizona, boss. Before the Legion, it was a nasty place, so thick with raiders you couldn't trade with a town two miles up the road. Caesar's laws aren't nice, and their actions aren't always pretty. But then, neither am I, but you keep me around." This is further evidenced by a quotation from Caesar himself: "I used imperial Rome as the model for my Legion precisely because it was so foreign, so alien. I'd seen what had become of the NCR's attempts to emulate the culture of Pre-War America - the in-fighting, the corruption. Rome was a highly militarized autocracy that effectively integrated the foreign cultures it conquered. It dedicated its citizens to something higher than themselves - to the idea of Rome itself. In Rome I found a template for a society equal to the challenges of the post-apocalyptic world - a society that could and would survive. A society that could prevent mankind from fracturing and destroying itself in this new world, by establishing a new Pax Romana." The truth of the matter is that the Legion is no more inherently evil than the NCR (In fact, less so in some cases. Don't forget that the NCR massacred women and children in bitter springs, which the legion do not. Not to mention, the NCR slaughtered all enclave personnel that they discovered in Navarro, including civilians, for 'war crimes', which considering there are no records of any enclave survivors on base shows that there were no fair trials or assignment of responsibilities. Ie; the man that cleans the mess hall is equally as much an enemy as the man who kidnaps vault dwellers in a vertibird) And though possibly not a deliberate atrocity, the NCR also shares a responsibility for what happened in The Divide, for paying the courier in the first place to deliver the transmitter that detonated the nukes. (But considering how meticulously the Enclave kept their records, I find it very hard to believe that the NCR had no idea what this device was or what it was meant to do) And you even see through the events of the game itself, that the NCR is prepared to do near-enough anything as immoral as the legion if it will get them the results that they want. (Destabilizing New-Vegas by eliminating House. Paying mercs to antagonise Jacobstown so they can destroy it. Stealing land from its inhabitants then forcing them to pay taxes and slaughtering anyone who questions it) There are also plenty of lines of dialogue in-game that points to the corruption that's deeply entrenched in the NCR (at virtually every level from the Presidents themselves to the lowliest privates) The closer you look at them, you start to see a lot of the worst of Pre-War America within the NCR as an organisation. They have near-all the qualities that lead to the nuclear hellfire Great War in the first place, and have already done it again albeit on a more minor scale in the divide. So when you look at it? The legion isn't just the edgy evil faction, and the NCR isn't just the good guy trying to bring peace. They are both different sides to the same coin, and though their ideologies differ, I think it is safe to say that they both share a puritanical and absolutist nature. I think that's the beauty of New Vegas though, if you take the game at more than its face-value, it can have some very valuable lessons to teach you. The conflict between the NCR and the Legion, amongst other things, teaches that morality and righteousness isn't always black and white, in fact most of the time its grey. For both of these factions, the ends justify the means. But there is one crucial difference. Caesar has the ambition of turning the wastes into a civilization that can withstand the severity and brutality of the apocalypse. The NCR seeks only to expand so that it can become more powerful. The NCR is concerned chiefly (as was the Capitalist America pre-war) with what toys they have, what toys their neighbours have, and what they can forcefully take from their neighbour. To crave power for powers sake is dangerous, and it shows by the fact alone that the NCR actually has a lot more destruction (civilisations, towns and communities completely and entirely wiped out with no survivors and no mercy) in its history than the legion does. And for that reason, I would honestly say that the NCR is the bigger antagonist of the Mojave and Post-War America. (PS; On a side note, it doesn't necessarily corelate with what I've said, and it isn't canon as it isn't within the game. But as I was writing this, I considered the ending of the Lonesome Road DLC. I had wondered what may happen if it wasn't the courier who braved the divide to reach Ulysses' Temple where the active ICBMs are, but instead either General Oliver or Caesar.. This drove me to think of each factions attitude towards technology. The legion is distrustful of it, this is in part due to Caesar's belief that a reliance on advanced technology makes you weaker, and due to his correct observation that it is responsible for the wasteland in the first place. With that being said, if Caesar had discovered Ulysses' Temple, I believe he would have either left the nuclear weapons undisturbed OR even attempt to have them permanently disarmed. Looking at the NCRs attitude towards tech and weapons however? I don't doubt for a second that General Oliver would have used the weapons, and he wouldn't have limited its use to a tactical attack on Dry Wells either. And the idea that the NCR would most likely use them despite seeing all around them what nukes have already done, in my opinion, makes the NCR the biggest known threat to the wasteland since the destruction of the enclave
@@seronymus wouldnt that be theoretically impossible without mods? et tumor brute starts after the cutoff where the other main faction quests autofail imagine a quadruple agent though, doing each questline until the cutoff, then finishing with yesman's quests
I took my Legion playthrough to the extremes. In a TTW game (Tale of Two Wastelands mod that combines Fallouts 3 and New Vegas into a single massive game) my Frumentariius, Hanlon Graham, went all the way to the Capital Wasteland when Caesar commands you to destroy the Brotherhood of Steel, infiltrated the organization, and then during the Broken Steel DLC, used the Enclave satellite missiles to target and destroy the Citadel, wiping out both chapters.
I got a crappy toshiba and I still can mod it to its max with all the graphic mods. So good that I got 120fps and I ACTUALLY TRIED TO GET NEW VEGAS TO RUN AT 120... don't be as stupid as me.. the game's physics are TIED TO THE FPS.. It was some wonky shit when a npc ragdolled or was doing a animation...
God it would not of been hard to give fallout 4 this vibe, instead it feels like a sandbox shooter with the fallout soul ripped out dangled in front of you the whole time waiting for more
@Most Definitely a Human (and not a cat) i never played as the legion because i have no interest in getting an ending that IS in my opinion a terrible one, Ive only gotten yes Man and ncr ending, FNV is fun but no point in playing for an ending i dont want to get.
@@StealthTheFoxz Mr. House is pretty nice, especially toward the end of his questline. Especially in his ending, he talks about how much he appreciates you and how you exceeded his expectations. In his ending, he gives you access to all of his technologies at the Lucky 38 and on The Strip, quite possibly making you immortal too.
@@jackmartin6502 I love the Legion but Mr. House's charisma and personality wins me over every time, plus his mark 2 securitrons would wipe the floor with NCR or Legion.
you can't help but notice the insane amount of attention that was put in dialogue when Vulpes, who 99.99% of players meet when they don't even know what the legion is, has an alternative dialogue if you meet him already having done several work to aid them. Such an insanely unlikely occurrence that could most likely only be discovered in a repeat playthru of the game is accounted for
"Youve done a good turn for the ncr and we'd like to do the same for you" vs "oh a profligate kindly fuck off" Oh boy i sure fucking wonder who i'd side with
Man, I’ve never seen this dialogue, I wonder why- *looks at reputations list* Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Vilified Right.
The Legion: "You are a helpful ally to us? Here's the key to a safe house, and The location of a box where we dump a bunch of supplies that we can't use. Feel free to raid it whenever you're in the area!" The NCR: " You are a helpful ally to us? Ummmm... Here's an old radio I found. If you use it, we'll show up a full minute after the fighting has ended."
Legion does really well with unarmed too. Maybe have some unarmed with your melee build. Almost every perk that applies for melee works with unarmed anyway, plus the legion has the special unarmed move you can learn from Lucius that can knock down targets. Knockdowns in NV are really strong to begin with. Combine that with the Scribe Counter from Veronica and unarmed becomes a pretty monstrous build to have as a secondary option with your melee.
Starfield is still better than 3 and 4, i don't know why, but Bethesda just can't handle Fallout, their own IPs are far more enjoyable and entertaining.
Thanks for doing this. I like being the villain sometimes, but the slavery and frankly stagnating views as a society makes it hard to saddle up with the Legion. I usually use the hit squads as inconvenient supply replenishment.
@@alfieshepherd6522 what with child killing mods being so popular and just evil playthroughs in general, i'd say so. but i guess it just depends on the person. i just typically see more people be ok with other bad stuff in an evil playthrough, but then draw the line at enslavement.
These videos help show me how many different characters each voice actor is used for 😂 when you're playing the game it's not as noticeable but in a video it's a slap to the face
How do you get idolized rep with the legion before getting the mark of Caesar, anyways? It always seems like there is almost nothing you can do pro legion in the game. Always bummed out they have the shortest story campaign other than doing as little work as possible for a yes man ending.
I don't think you can get idolized without getting the mark of Caesar; you can, however, get "accepted" (which will get you most of the things in this video) very early on by doing things like spreading word of Nipton's massacre, destroying Camp Forlorn Hope, doing the Camp Searchlight quests from Cottonwood Cove, and giving NCR dogtags to the centurion at Cottonwood Cove.
Actually - you theoretically CAN get idolized at any point early on, because the NCR dogtags are a limitless supply of reputation points for the legion.
@@michaeldicostanzo2720 how would you get the cottonwood cove dialog for your first time there so high before turning in thr tags though? Do you jsut auto get Caesar legion fame for destroying forlorn and searchlight?
@@ShaddySoldier First you receive the NCR quest to scope out Cottonwood Cove, and if you go to Auerelis of Phoenix and tell him what the NCR asked you to do, he will give you quest directions. There is no prerequisite Legion fame needed for this because the Legion will treat you normally if you are neutral with them.
@Max I think he means that Vulpes and his Frumentarii do more for the Legion war effort than the main army under Lanius. In the Legate's defence though, the only reason Vulpes gets to run circles around the Republic's GIs is because they're stretched too thin trying to keep the Monster of the East from overrunning the Colorado; even the Rangers, which are principally the Mojave's main defensive force, are almost all concentrated up North in preparation for the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, leaving only a few disparate bases and poorly-equipped trooper patrols to cover the entire territory South of Vegas.
I love how I never got the location of the box when I played my first legion playthrough because not only did he get jumped by merchants right after I fast traveled, vats decided to make me vibe check him instead of the merchants.
How to become a legend in the wasteland Step 1: Join the Legion Step 2: Get burnt and thrown down a canyon, defect the legion because a courier does his fucking job, or just stay in the legion. Any of these will help you.
I don't remember getting anything useful out of the NCR other than the ammo depots in the form of merchants in the airport and the dam. It wasn't free tho.
Besides the radio (never actually used, idk if it's useful) after I think For the republic part 2 you get the key for a ranger hideout where you can get a recovered power armor, ranger armor and various weapons
One of the things I've never really explored -- a totally balls-out _evil_ playthrough. I should do that at least once before I 86 Windows and go to Linux full-time.
One thing i liked about new vegas that i absolutely cannot stand about fallout 4 is that in NV there was a bunch of interesting well written side quests and a few different ways to approach them but in Fallout 4 each faction has like 2 side quests and the rest is radiant trash for eternity because Bethesda made fallout 4 with the intent of you playing the same character doing generic repeated garbage forever whereas Obsidian made new vegas to be replayable. And for any Bethesda fan boy reading this, no I do not *hate* Fallout 4 I just have a lot of criticisms about its story and radiant quests just as many of you do with New Vegas. Would've been nice if the brotherhood had more quests besides finding brandis or looking into the missing supplies. Or if the institute had more than just a few, if a game is gonna have post game content they should put effort into having at least a decent line of side quests for each faction. There are other games that can do much much more than Bethesda so I feel its not an excuse to just shut it down because honestly the only highlight of factions in fallout 4 is the main quest because after, they are all boring and theres nothing fun beyond a few quests. Maybe the Railroad has more by a landslide but thats it.
There's just no reason to side with the Legion aside from novelty. Even if you look past the fact that they're poorer, more backward, less pragmatic, fundamentally childish and rely on the arbitrary whims of a would-be visionary...they don't even give you an evil 'high' if you side with them. When you're 'idolised' they're still so condescending. Like come on, if I'm deigning to play head butcher of the Mojave at the front of a slaving, raping and pillaging tribe of Roman LARPers, waving around a repurposed jungle machete like some overgrown kid with a stick, the least they could do is give me a cool Latin title. And I don't mean 'least annoying profligate'.
Ahh I still remember the first time I found Nipton. I don't remember how I did it but I managed to get Vulpes and his gang up on those crucifixes instead of the towns people. Fuck I was angry. I like tea, see.
Over time I started hating the Legion and not caring about whether they like me or not. I actually made a sort of business out of their foolish assassins. I have Boone with me at all times (perfect when against the legion, is one hell of a shot), assassins come to kill me and I loot their bodies once they're dead, I go to Raul so he repairs them to the max, pickpocket the money back and sell the repaired equipment. Then I just repeat that, since the assassins constantly come after me, it's a nice flow to have going.
@@calhoun3907 I'll explain because i forgor to in the divide dlc there's broken eyebots (5 i think ) each one contains a eyebot circuit upgrade which permanently boosts ede in someway and Carries over to ede in the Mojave ( does not carry over to other playthroughs ) , the first one let's you repair any weapon once a day , so if you grabbed a lot of crappy weapons that can be farmed you can max repair them and sell them for a lot of caps , and it allows you to use your favorite weapons without them breaking and you having to pull out thousands of caps to have it repaired
ive only ever done a legion ending once for the achievement, and boy i felt dirty doing it, its not even because they're evil, they're comically evil, half of the guys are just reddit incels, like why go for them
Knowing that the legion call you an "among us" makes me happier I nuked them I mean I nuked the ncr too but the "among us" thing makes me wish I could have nuked Caesar twice
The Legion are psycho LARPers running around with machetes cutting up new NCR recruits thinking they're tough... Until they run at a fully power armored heavy trooper or get hunted down by veteran rangers. I'll stick to House, the only guy in the entire fallout universe with a decent plan for humanity
The average legion recruit has the same physical conditioning as a Ranger lol Did you forget the part where legion soldiers train for combat since childhood?
In the first battle for Hoover Dam the Legion chased and sent the Rangers running for their lives like a bunch of wussies lmao The rangers had to destroy a whole town as a trap in a desperate move to save their skin
Of course if they run at a heavy trooper they'll die. That's why many of them are armed with lances and 50. Caliber sniper rifles you redditing cuckold. "Larpers" They aren't larping they are actual heirs to Rome in practice.
