LFR17 - Game 11 - Bad & Brad - Sabres 6, Maple Leafs 4 

Dude, last week I looked at the schedule to see when the leafs played the Sharks. I had a sigh of relief when I saw the date. Surely the Sharks will win 1 game before that, right? If not, the leafs will 100% be the first win for the Sharks 😂

I was hoping they'd beat Pittsburgh tonight for their first win. Oops.

If the Sharks seriously lose their first 40 games of the season they will be the worst team of all time

Haha yeah , I looked up the date after sharks game against pens

@@chrisg1556it will either be the leafs or my blues (who played well this weekend) 100%

I'm a Hawks fan, so I might be biased here, but I don't think his hatred is of Kampf per se, but the role that he is asked to play because he is clearly not good enough.

Not just his role, but his cap hit too. Making 1.5 million on the 4th he does well. Making 2.4M, but not being good enough for the 3rd just makes you an expensive ineffective 4th liner

Don't worry, They'll probably trade him and he'll win a cup elsewhere.

Not hatred. Too strong a word.

He's just miscast. Reminds me of when we tried using Deharnais as a 1c and powerplay guy

As a leaf fan its more sad than hilarious.

It's nice when people start comparing the Leafs to the worst team in NHL history.

@@lachlananderson8470 I just find the juxtaposition of these two facts amusing

It's that '70's porn moustache he rocks that helps him score.

That deserves a mention 😂😂😂. What a wonderful stat

Both should be fired..

@@bluesky9940I don’t know about that. Would’ve been nice to see Dubas have another go with a new attitude. And even if the core 4 stuck together, Dubas was always amazing at finding diamonds in the rough to build the supporting cast around them. So far the moves Brad made look to be awful decisions. And even if they didn’t hire Brad, what better options were there ?

@@kakarotblake Are you serious? How many season was Dubas with the Leafs? He has won one playoff round. To pay 4 players half the teams salary will never work in a Cap league. He ruined the Leafs and he’s doing the same thing at Pittsburg, last place in the Eastern Conference..lol

Dubas wasn’t fired his contract was up, but yeah Keefe should have been out

@@kakarotblake I am on board with this. Although Dubas had VERY little success in the postseason, both of the coaches he worked with really hindered his influence on the team. I can't claim that I know what his true vision was for the Leafs, but I imagine it was different from the lineups Babcock or Keefe put out there. Personally, I think It would have been nice to see Dubas have another crack at it with a new team system. That being said, it's possible that it is no longer possible to win in the NHL with the lion's share of resources given to four forwards. I suppose were going to find out over the remainder of Auston's contract.

Totally agree, PM made him look like a sad little school girl.

He's been straight up outcoached every playoff series he's been in. Don't forget we very outplayed by Tampa in at least 4/6 games and only won because (a) Samsonov stole games (b) Vasilevsky sucks at point shots with traffic (c) Tampa was exhausted from 3 straight deep runs (d) Bunting took out their 2nd best D man Cernak.

Let’s not forget the Habs playoff series. Out coached by a fill in plug for the Habs

keefes other half is doing the same nonsense in Ottawa bringing an good young team to rock bottom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! coaching failures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I think Keefe will be fired soon. Tre wasn’t going to fire Keefe right away, he didn’t want to looked like an ahole, but I think a few more games like these Keefe will be fired.

Again!

Because the leafs have an ECHL D core and the NHL's worst 4th line 😂

They lost when he scored 4. Its the Leafs.

In his first game where he scored 4 they lost to Ottawa...

Guess you missed his first nhl game

"For the love of God Sheldon, put the fucking blender away!"

I think we need to hang more blame on Shanahan. It's hard to blame Keefe, he can only work with what he's given. It's hard to blame Brad, he just got here. Brendan Shanahan has been here for 10 years, fired Dubas immediately after he said he'd consider trading a core guy, and none of his new guy's new guys have worked out. We can turn the cannons on Keefe later. It's time to look at a new guy at the top of the Leafs' food chain.

He needs to go. He coaches soft hockey.

Maybe blame the soft core. Marchand was trolling the bench and Matthews came over to change, he didn't even say anything or at least push him - gutless.

​@@pauls6318Kyle Dubas was fired because he asked for too much. Last minute he changed the terms by asking for more money and asking for Shanahans job.

yep,,,,,,and it shouldve started 2/3 years ago,,,,,mathews,,marner and nylander should all be able to drive their own lines

I've said it for years. When you make over 10 million, you need to be driving an individual line. In this regard, they should have Matthews, Marner and Tavares on separate lines. The problem is that can never happen because of how they play. You don't have any other good shooters aside from Matthews and Tavares to put Marner with. Who do you put him with that he elevates? Based on the list today, your best bet is Knies and then Nylander ends up with one of Mathews or Tavares. So let's assume those two things are true. You're asking 1 of JT or AM do basically have 2 underperforming nobodies on their line, who generally don't make their jobs easier. Great. It really doesn't work and depends on Knies stepping up, which he has to at this point or the leafs are screwed. This team has the wrong type of players playing around each other all the time and the chemistry is just off. CJ plays on the 1st line with AM and MM, simply because they have no one better that's also reliable for the competition they face. But CJ is a bang and crash dude with speed. He's at best a 3rd line player on a good team and probably fits the style of a 4 line based on his desire to cycle the puck. CJ would work better with JT and MM at that rate because those players would handle better off cycle play. But when you have MM and AM, they aren't cycling so much as finding open space and attacking off broken plays - that's their talent kicking in. And that talent looks way out of place when you throw CJ in there with them. It's honestly just, wow. I actually don't know how you get blood from a stone here without hiring someone like Torts. And no, the Leafs shouldn't hire Torts lol. Like I just tried to divvy up the talent and make some mock lines and this was the best I could come up with that's different with a justified purpose / view of their play. Worst part is it doesn't feel great, it just feels different. I'm actually surprised we haven't got to this arrangement yet given how much Keefe likes to go to the blender. Knies - Matthews - Domi Gregor -Tavares - Marner Bertuzzi - Holmberg - Nylander Jarnkroc - Kampf - Reeves The idea being that KMD line will like to play off the rush and have a power forward, a shooter and then a play maker with them to make that happen. The GTM line has two guys that like to cycle off the half wall to get into the slot between MM and JT; then Gregor gives you speed and a dog on the puck type of thing (Hyman like). So dump and chase if the D stand up at the line, Gregor gets it for M or JT, and they work their magic. If opposition doesn't stand up at the line, JT or MM just waltz in and do their thing. The BHN line is really just trying to get something with magic hands Nylander at this point. The reality of that line: Bert on the 4th line is worse than CJ on the 4th so that's why he's on the 3rd line (which is really bad). Like I don't know wtf you do here with these arrangements? And at this point I think we're ready to accept seeing Holmberg at 3C, so just do it. Then your 4th line is what it is, and you can have situations where CJ players with JT and MM in place of Gregor to manage minutes. But like, I have no idea how many goals the "bottom six" get here. Hell I don't know how anyone other than the core 4 produce here. This team just doesn't have players who want it bad enough to make it look like they are worth being here. Boston's defense had 3 AHL players and they contained the Leafs fairly well. Sure they had some panic moments, but that's expected. The fact their goaltending bailed them out, AND their team was able to be competitive throughout from all lines - like that's the missing piece here. No one, other than the core 4 + Rielly, seems to have it in their head they need to give more. Everything else at this point is just lip service.

​@@whoopass2rbIt was a lot of hot air that ends up being speculation. There's no reason not to try. When you're losing you're losing and doing the same thing over and over again and continuing to lose isn't making them any better. You may end up being proven right but we won't know until they try.

Nylander and jt are doing so well though

difference between two coaches last night..what incentive do third and fourth lines get in Toronto for scoring..none. So why bother. Third and fourth liners playing for Sullivan in Pittsburgh get rewarded..How you ask..they get power play time...Pens had a power play last night and neither Crosby or Malkin saw any ice time. And the Pens broadcasters were impressed by the bottom six on the power play.

Who to be mad at in the leafs organization? Yes

Shanahan for refusing to budge from the core 4 ethos. Can't be anyone else - they work around his directive.

@@heliumtrophy that...

Now Holl is doing well with the Red Wings.. funny how things work out eh? 😅

Broo thank god I’m not the only one who noticed 😂

As a Wings fan, I'm kinda glad you guys let him go lol.

😅 Great passion, Mr. Dangle

You mean +6 Holl

Getting a point is B.S. It's still a loss.

@@Outta-hz1ejit’s a tie.

@@johnq2068 Nope its a loss in the books, one pt versus the Bruins who got two. Crucial pts considering they were a top contender to a maybe wild card contender.

@@johnparktowers1750 it’s a tie and that’s the reason for the point

Maybe there is a book on Woll now? Let's see how well he does in his next couple starts. If he gets lit up again, you'll know the answer.

Woll wasn't at fault on any of them.

hat guy?

I do and feel the same way

Someone beat the B’s? Who’s my new favourite squadron??

@@plasticsurgerydisaster6180 the red wings! :)

not a fan of Bruins, but you should not be angry about them - you should be angry anout TML management, who come up with this roaster at the end of July, otherwise you will be angry for 3/4 of ALL teams combined

@@theobserver_ I’m still licking my wounds from last year

what victory puppies? they were not that good during the playoffs - pretty much sank before even reaching semi finals... tbh, I don't get the idea why people were giving them so much slack for a regular season - regular season does not matter when you go to playoffs...

Sadly that's not gonna happen unless they like miss the playoffs.

Yeah Matthews didn't do him any favours there.

@@randysgutful what do you mean?

Leafs have two lines that can score, but beyond that they are pathetic. The bottom 6 is as weakest group ever. Letting Schenn go was a big mistake. Until we get past the current Tavares contract, we will struggle to build depth on this team as our core 4 are earning a disproportionate amount salary wise.

As a Red Wings fan, I only watch when they lose.. if I do.. 😅

Loll blame shanny instead he runs the show

@@brianblak14 Shanny also got this team out the gutter...remember those dark years or not really?

but mathews will get 60 goals lmao

Can you imagine what happens if one or more of the core four gets injured bad enough to go on LTIR ?? Now that would be fun to watch 🤣

A team doesent get tough by signing depth guys to be tough. Your top players have to be the ones that initiate the change.

Instead of that we need defense. Like please

Guess you have two chances for that this season 😏

Hard working guy with some grit, and an ability to score the occasional goal? Yeah, we'll take him!

​@@carletonrutherford1799 exactly. Better than domi . Lol

thanks for taking him, we needed the cap relief and upgraded with Gregor

ironically, Steve was happy with roaster at the end of July

Totally agree. They haven’t been able to shore up the D because of their core 4.

Domi and Bertuzzi were at least. I bet Bert is wishing he took the lowball from Boston.

Given how well he did in the playoffs, I'd say it was a solid signing until it became apparent he's not (at least for now)

@@dtrips905 I've watched the guy for years and he'll return to the mean.

@dtrips905 Bertuzzi can be great, and he was on Boston, a solid team, and on the Wings, he was a highlight. I dont think he is fitting in to Toronto's style. Domi is basically there to fill in the legacy his dad left.

To be fair this Summer most of the signings seemed to be good pick ups. I thought Bertuzzi was a good signing, I really liked him on the various times I watched the Red Wings over the last 2 years and he was a solid add for Boston. I was less sold on Domi, but that's because I hadn't watched enough of him in Chicago, but he had put up consistent point totals over the last couple of years. Reaves was flat out a bad signing but he's going to be playing a healthy scratch and playing bottom line minutes so meh whatever I can live with it. I could not understand why the rest of Leafs nation creamed their pants because he's a tough guy. For me, the worst signing was Klingberg because he was going to cost the Leafs a lot of games. I watch Minnesota, and last season Klingberg was a disaster on defense, his offense was non existent, and his only good attribute was ability to move the puck up the ice. I want to know how he convinced Brad Treeliving to give him 4 million dollars when his play was so poor.

I think goaltending is fine. D core and bottom 6 are currently terrible though.

Klingberg directly responsible for 3 goals against tonight... really hard to watch him play. Everytime he touches the puck or does his lazy skate to the puck in the corner I'm thinking "Why, Brad?!"

It's because, as Steve said, they're BAD. The problem is that this isn't a team, it's four guys. There IS no team, however, BECAUSE of those four guys. They demanded so much money from the team that they can't afford to put anyone decent on the ice. I've been saying this since the preseason. Those four guys had a choice. Even more millions (at the expense of all their teammates), or a run at a championship. We've seen what their priority is.

@@STNeish, have you seen what Marner wore prior to the game ? A silly hat and red pants and red suit jacket !! If these guys could put as much effort into winning games like they do being fashion conscious, they may still win something. As it stands, sure, the core four are doing all the scoring, but they were also too selfish when it came to personal contracts to worry about who else would back them up in the bottom six and defence. Nylander has made it pretty clear, it’s all about $$$ for him. He is just as good as gone after this season. Hope he goes to the Blackhawks as a free agent 🙏

@@darrenmccarthy3346 honestly, if I was Nylander I wouldn't take a discount either. Willy took a discount on his first contract. Matthews and Marner set the bar and Dubas just gave it to them. If I could I would sign Nylander and trade Marner.

Never seen a team hang their goalie out to dry like this. The better Woll plays the more they seem to act like he's their defensive line rather than keeping the puck away from him. Same with Sammy in the last game.

I'm impressed by this detailed analysis, but I gotta disagree on the empty netter. BLAME KLINGBERG, discount Erik Karlsson himself! It's 6 on 5 with over a min left, there's no need to rush. Keep passing it around until you get a good clean look. You're also on the ice with THREE 40 goal scorers and one of the league's best passers. WHY ON EARTH would you decide to just launch a soft slapper right into the defender's shins when you haven't scored all year?????

@plushie946 as a Sabres fan, we are EXPERTS of hanging our goalies out to dry and I can confirm this game was a textbook example of that by the Leafs

Me too. If Sportsnet kept those trademarks, they're a**holes.

Watch what you ask for. This GM could make it worse. Very scary.

Leafs are 20-15-3 vs Buffalo in the last 10 years ?

@@nathanramsden2752 lmfao don’t cherry pick timelines. Since Buffalo came into the league we’ve owned you

Not sure how saying the last 10 years is cherry picking? Sabres are 122-76-10 vs. Leafs all time, not sure I would consider that “owned”😂

I’d love to like this comment but he’s hung around since the Habs playoff series.

20 goals in 2 games….. our life is exclusively pain

Yeah, but the Sharks are suppose to suck. The Leafs are suppose to be contenders 😂

​@@aidanshek3056I am so sorry for you guys this year. I just hope you guys get #1 pick and get some great talent!

@@chrisg1556 there’s a difference between being bad and this though

What are you talking about? Sharks are expected to suck this time around. & they do . Nothing abnormal there. Leafs are cup contenders for the last 5 years. & they suck this bad . !

They just signed the coach to an extension, and yet it continues to be the same problems every damn year.

Nobody is getting these chuckle heads to play better man.

I've been refreshing the channel over and over again LMAO

As a B’s fan… same 😂😂😂

@@jaikohaal As a Bolt's fan...same.

Canucks fan lol

Buffalo always gives both Toronto & Montreal fits. Never fails. Buffalo isn't no pushover

The Leafs won the last cup on D and Goaltending, and every GM after Punch Imlach has tried to reverse the potion and make it win. It doesn't. I've been saying this for years, unless the Leafs start building a Defense that defends, that they don't worry about 60 goal years, but instead hope a lot of guys get 20, they won't win with this. In the 60s they had Pulford, reliable 15-20 goal man and the perfect swiss army knife, Pappin, spotty but when on great, Armstrong one of the best leaders ever, Kelly, constant consistent two way forward, and they always had a crew of forwards from in the 1940s and the 1960s that could deliver enough points to win in the regular season, then go to a new level come playoff time. This team as none of it and it's frustrating to watch.

First round was the bar lol yeah sad isn’t it

And the translation reads, "go curse go"!

I meant transition not translation.

LGRW 🐙🐙🐙

Leafs aren't making the playoffs 🤣 teams like Detroit, Buffalo , Ottawa r taking teams like Toronto, Pitts and Washington out

really long paragraph just to say you're bandwagoning lol

@@tara-zz3cm Nah, it's from decades of disappointment. I contemplated switching a couple of years ago, but kept getting pulled back in with "next year will be different", but it never is. I haven't watched a game in the last 2-3 years. I can't anymore. So I might as well change teams.

Greetings from Calgary, take a good look at us because that's your future

@@Gabryal77 the one saving grace is that all the guys he brought in are on 1 year deals.

Crazy that Can't Score Kerfoot is better than Bertuzzi and Domi. Wtf happened.

​@Outta-hz1ej as someone who watched him come to Dallas and play well with Dadanov and Marchment on the 3rd line, I can't help but wonder if it's the system or his linemates that are the issue

Klingberg really is Tyson Barrie 2.0 RHD who is atrocious defensively and kicks Morgan Reilly off the PP1 unit because the coach wants to get him going. Supposed to have a great shot from the point but sends a muffin into the defenders' shin which finishes the game. The problem is this year we don't have a Jake Muzzin to cover up for his weaknesses. We should've given Luke Schenn whatever he wanted instead! WIshful thinking but maybe like 19/20, we get a coaching change before December bc Keefe ain't it.

This! Kyle Dubas left 20 million dollars in cap space and it was thrown in the trash essentially.

That greedy money grab screwed the team over, glad they handcuffed their own team - selfish