Lionel Messi vs. Virgil van Dijk Ballon d’Or debate gets HEATED! | ESPN FC 

id like to see him score 50 goals for a pro football team

ikr

And choked in CL Semi lol

@@msfantastico4139 Bit before that he did smash Liverpool by scoring two goals against them. You guys seem to ignore that fact.

@@msfantastico4139 and liverpool choked the prem so whats your point. Youre ignorant if one match makes u ignore a players entire season

Yes, cause that is in the Premier League. Different ball game.

@@roysmith5711 yeah exactly, game is faster in the PL so there are more counter attacks and scoring attempts. It's harder in La Liga because game is slower. Messi creates 90% of all Barca's goals and chances. If his teammates weren't so bad he would finish with 60 goals and 40 assists.

@@roysmith5711 y'all delusional epl fans are sickening. Which player scored more goals against the top 6 epl teams last year? Hint: he doesn't even play in the epl..

Brain defects

@@kra.7671 yeah, against Man Utd.

Exactly!!!

I fucking love u

exactly by that logic if we only count 1 game then origi should have won the ballon d'or.. last season messi finish 5th is a joke.. he should be in the top 3..

Messi wasn't even bad in the second leg at Anfield, he hit the post, and looked like the only Barça player likely to produce something (as usual) Terrible defending let him down

@@trajan182 yeah, he had more dribbled than any other player on the field, and took/ created all 8 of Barca’s shots

@Ngm Mngw LOL, la liga is much harder than the Premier League mate

@@sm7Vx Funny I could ask you the same question. Both leagues are the hardest out of the big 5, but imo la liga is harder, because the bottom leagues actually put up a fight, 3 of them already beat Barcelona this season. Look at Liverpool, not obviously at their most impressive level but 12 wins out of 13...

@Ngm Mngw Hum. Liverpool/Chelsea last year? 25 points appart. 2nd and 3rd... now please..

Kowxley 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Ngm Mngw lol German league is easier... Ronaldo went to Italy and I don't see him outscoring any one, Coutinho went to Germany and is doing better than he was in Spain, Neymar went to France and became worst... its not about the league, its each persons own Talent, Lewa is great, but don't compare him to the goat Messi, no even to Ronaldo.

I remember Copa America

@@JESUSisComingBackSoon-ue9pc doesn't matter, he carried barca in cl,most goals in Europe, most goals in cl 2018 19..and in copa America he won bronze

Nobody is brain deficient, they both had a case for the award. City had to have an astronomical year for Liverpool not to win the EPL. And in my opinion head to head Liverpool beat barca in the champions league so in my opinion I'd give van diyk. Also considering their performances in their national team. Messi had an incredible year but van dijk more than deserved it too remember this guy was not dribbled past for almost an entire year doing it in wins.

@@kritarthanand6922 Messi is the king of bottling in the big matches.He never performs well,for example look at the UCL Semi final against Liverpool,Copa Del Ray final against Valencia and Copa America semi final against Brazil

@@vivekmenon5648 this award is for individual performance and Messi describe it well in last season ,and it's not team award...

Well many say CR7 had a shitty season while sxoring 30+ goals and 10+ Assists. These are solid numbers

@@justinoppermann3997 Messi and Ronaldo are judged by their own standards not by the standards of mere mortals. 30 goals are horrible for a lethal goalscorer as Cris is considered while Messi score 50 goals essentially from the midfield.

@@sammysmartwizch3184 fax, ppl tend to forget that Ronaldo is a pure goalscorer while messi is more then just a goalscorer

@@sammysmartwizch3184 but that doesn't mean people should say he was poor.

EXACTLY. if a person like sterling scored 51 goals with 20 assists while playing 50 games despite not winning the CL, it STILL wouldnt even be an arguement cuz that is CRAZY but cuz its messi this was so close to the point that van dijk was only 7 point behind. If this was sterling there would be a gap over 200 points. Messi competes vs himself and its just stupid to see.

You right !

😂😂✊🏽

I don't have a problem with Messi as I think he is the best player of all time .. That said judging by the comments here only goal scorers are eligible for the award which is wrong virgel changed Liverpool last year to a team that won the champions league i don't thinking that Messi added anything to Barca from last year

Vvd made Liverpool better let's not forget Liverpool still got to the champions league last season...and it's not all down to vvd..so are we trying to say vvd was the reason they won the championship league last season

tell me if Salah had 50 goals and 20 assits, who would you say should win it, van dijk or salah?, trust me everyone would have said salah and that would be deserved soo becasue no matter what league you play in or in what team, 50 goals and 20 assits are just a huge number which not even great great players accomplish, remmeber the time when 30 goals used to be considered legendary.

he is....look at his face when he was been told that..LOL

he really is. im so happy that ale said that, because maybe this premier league fangirl will think more than a sec now before he opens his mouth to tell us bullshit like that

Which minute did he say it ?

Finished him there and then😂😂

Yeah, all of those defenders and keepers don't deserve to be considered after scoring less than an attacker.

Nick Jones he only missed 4-5 games ffs

XhoowieX Messi carries his teams. That’s the difference. Also, he’s a midfielder and a forward. He does everything in attack.

Alan Smith no he doesn't, he mainly plays as the main striker of the team

@@alansmith4655 Carried his teams to what ?? a shitty league title where Real only had 68 points and a copa america loss. While Van Dijk carried his team to 97 points in league, the champions league and the nations league final

Yeah Mark just didn't fancy the Argentain winning it.

Maybe that's what some of these pundits want. When most of them were playing, I doubt whether they ever crossed 20 goals margin 🤣🤣

And Nicols is a Virgil d^** rider

J C Considering Steve Nicol and his history and I don’t think he’s jealous of anything this team has...

Love how people miss his point he said messi is the best player on the planet but last season the top performer in the team that won the biggest trophy was VVD if messi did something at anfield I would agree but you cannot say like these guys they lost 4 nil but it's the other ten players fault not messi who was also on the field

g soto n how is mbappe sixth? Bernardo silva should be in the top five. Seriously the ranking doesn’t make any sense

Hard truth.

Liverpool is conceding goals left, right and center and guess who is not playing ? Joel Matip. Watch Liverpool games closely and he's the one doing all the tackling and dirty works, not Van Dijk. Van Dijk is a great defender, but the way English media and pundit overrates him is ridiculous.

@@samp.4542 true.. it was matip who stop messi from scoring at anfield not van dijk

@@marleyans6454 and Sam p don't be jealous boys it's only a game right!

Exactly! Thanks for those stats.

Beautifully spoken and very well said. Logic and common sense right there

Liverpool won the champions league. Did City win it? No.

Richard ok?

@@eldarion933 Liverpool did not win the Premiere Legea but VVD won the EPL player of the season.

Well said, I'm not saying vvd wasn't good but if it wasn't for mane also they wouldn't have talked about vvd because mane was the one saving them most of the time

He had a good arguement, Champions league is bigger than the spanish league, Liverpool wouldnt have won it without van dijk, When liverpool played barcelona van dijk came out on top between himself and messi.

No, it proves that he had a good game at camp nou v liverpool and went missing at anfield, barcelona did almost nothing going forward, they created like 1 goal chance and got battered 4-0 on the other end. VVD transformed liverpool and was european champion, which is the most prestigious trophy in club football. This was his ballon dor, not messis, or ronaldo or modric or anybody else.

Denial

@@Tripnotik25 vvd hasn't been the best for 10 years or so... lol, that alone tells you something. Sergio ramos has scored some important goals for real Madrid when they won the Champions League , so he deserves one too ? Lol, look they both had a great season, but come on, what Messi does is just out this world . This is going to be known as the Messi era, hands down .

Exactly what I was thinking 😂best player but not best that year.. I swear this English media is relentlessly stupid

Lionel Messi has never scored 90 goals in a season.

highest messi scored in a season was 72

@@SamikGhoshMusicals he did not have the best 2019 of any footballer.

50 goals ON FARMERS LEAGUE EASY TO SCORE

Dude yall acting like messi and Ronaldo are normal footballers

he's british。。。

he just a stupid fangirl. just like that..

Just like Ale said, an usual good year for Messi is a career to many others. Man we've taken the genius of Messi for granted. We'll know in a few years what he is in this sport.

Not to mention the fact that Messi starts most attacks from midfield up in Barcelona

Rroxez 49 and then greizmann #2 and ter stegen #5 😂😂😂

Rroxez 49 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@emmettramirez18 i think that guy put aubameyang at number 2 lol

It pisses me off when journalists do stupid shot like that. That’s what skews the results and makes everyone complain. They’re just voting for their favorite players.

That is what happens when you watch football in radio.

ronaldo way better than messi

@@keyuantejohnson6266 in your dreams 🤣

@@zeeshanaziz1115 ronaldo proven won the league and champions league in the premier league the best league in the world while messi has yet to prove himslef by moving to another league

Keyuante Johnson Messi doesn’t even play in the Prem and he has more goals against the top 6 sides than any player and Ronaldo played in that league lol

Keyuante Johnson was it hard to type that out with all the tears in your eyes?

Ramos should've won Ballon d'Or with his red cards, jungle tackles, Kung Fu fighting and unprofessional fouls. Go on Sergio.

@@megadonmaster uhuh and? Did he also not defend well and score last minute goals?

Ramos prime vs vvd prime 😛ramos all day

no, but Xavi, Schnider, Ribery and Van Dijk did... Messi should have 3 Balon dors and Ronaldo should have 3 of them as well. sadly this title has almost nothing to do with football

@@bsman321 Actually Messi should've won at least 10 if the Ballon d'Or had more to do with football and less with advertising and the image of footballers.

He is biased. you can clearly hear that he a liverpool fan

Ronaldo did score 46 goals for RM in 1 season. But not with man utd. Why? Because la liga is all about rm and barca, and sometimes atletico. But in EPL, even Leicester can win the league. Aspas scored like fun in la liga, did he do that in EPL, did Forlan did that in EPL?

@@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259 the players you mentioned, Forlan and Aspas, were they at the peak of their careers when they were in epl? If you want to make a point, do it like someone who really knows about football Are the likes of Aguero, Torres, Silva, Carzola, Diego Costa, etc not from La liga as well? Why didn't you mention them as well. Y'all be acting like you have to play in England to be successful. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!

@@adebolaidowu718 man, agreed there are lots of spain players success in England, and even better, player like Luis garcia, came from Barcelona b, xabi alonso, came from sociedad. But 1 you cant deny, la liga is not as competitive as epl. Im not saying you need to play in English to be successful. Messi still whatever all people say. Is only proven in la liga only as of now. If he really carries barca, why can't he do with Argentina? Ronaldo proved that when he brings portugal to win euro. Clearly Argentina have beter players than portugal

@@muhammadfiqrullahbinmohdyu8259 so Messi doesn't carry Argentina. For information, he has been to five five finals with Argentina cos was fortunate to win three of those finals doesn't mean he doesn't carry them. Do you think they could have even qualified for last world cup if not for Messi's hat trick on the final day? Between, who's Argentina's top scorer? How many Finals has Ronaldo been to in his life with his country compared to Messi? What you guys don't understand is that there is a difference between carrying a team and a team being organised. Is Ronaldo playing every role on the field for Portugal? So he didn't carry Portugal, the team was Organised and cos Ronaldo was in the team doesn't mean he carried them. What if Ronaldo was not there? I'm sure if Ronaldo was in Liverpool or Man City, you would have said he carried them too. And how does Messi and Ronaldo's performance hace to do with competitiveness of La liga in relation to Epl

StandardGenius no, maybe maybe maybe best player of this time, but of the year no, van dijk is the best this year , his form has been amazing.

No I think you’re the delusional one

Messi last season ✔Most goals in europe 52 goals ✔Most assist in all competition 23 assist ✔Most goals in Champions league 12 goals ✔Most goals in la liga 36 goals ✔Most goals vs top 6 EPL team ✔6th Golden boot - 3 in a row ✔Most assist in la liga ✔Most chances created ✔Most freekick goals ✔Most braces ✔Most goals from outside of box ✔Most hattrick in whole europe ✔Most MOTM award 17 times ✔Most MOTM in champions league ✔Contributed to 74/96 team goals ✔UCL goal of the tournament ✔UCL best forward ✔UCL most man of the week ✔Pichichi award ✔Laliga winner ✔Spanish super cup ✔La Liga MVP ✔ESPY award top male footballer ✔Highest average player rating in whole season - 8.48 ✅

Jake Pauler each starter from Liverpool’s team has showed out this year and made it easier for van dijk but when Barca was struggling Messi pulled them across the line every time and scored game winners. Messi gets the assists and when he doesn’t, he’s creating. Messi deserved it more than anyone and even after him mane would be before van dijk

@@isaiahbattle204 finally someone with football knowledge, speak bro!

Imagine if Valverde wasnt the manager

If valverde wasn't the manager I guarantee you messi and barca would at least have another champions title.

Chris how disrespectful you are to seasoned players like Luis Suarez, Pique to fit what you wanna get to be the story so that Messi wins. Field a team of Messi and make him win the World Cup and UCL if you at it

Chris Messi never scores in the UCL when there team gets knocked out. However Ronaldo on the other hand...

How do you lose when you are 3-0 up tho is beyond me

Meh...he doesn't seem to know that Mahrez won AFCON in addition to FA Cup and EPL title.

Exactly. Oh RM is so great because they won the CL! Yeah? How can you be so great and not even win your own league?! How? Oh, cause Barca was greater over the long run, that's how. And anyone who watches Barca has known for awhile now, that Messi carries this team, the day he retires every Barca fan is going to be scared shitless about what comes next, me included.

@@eddiecastaneda8918 Zidane only won la liga once because he rests a lot of big players in la liga so they are fresh for champions league, this is what gave them the edge

@@nehal3674 That's fucking smart but cheating a little bit.

@@michaelalexander9386 No resting players is not cheating at all

@@tobiayo8146 i know it's not cheating but not every team does that so if you do that it gives an advantage.

Im amazed that three liverpool players made to top 5.

@@yale5547 the whole top 5 should have been 4 liv players and messi

@@Hellou123 id put lewa in there tbh

@@rroxez4915 which liverpool player did lewa out perfrom last season ? mane? firmino ? salah? alison?

Rroxez 49 still very underrated

Lol how he spews bs with a serious face is mind blowing 🤣🤦‍♂️

@@gagzman1 🤣🤣yeah Mark really didn't fancy Messi winning it, he was talking absolute garbage, I showed the part where Mark was talking to my friends and they were laughing their heads of with tears on there eyes🤣🤣, som people would would say incredibly Idiological things just for the sake that they didn't want something to happen.

You can tell he only watches pl

His arguments were so poor I felt embarrassed for him.

This dude has to be a prem rider, what a absolute idiot. His argument made absolutely no sense at all. 😂😂😂

LOL Moreno makes no sense. he's best argument is that if he had to pick a player in a schoolyard pick it would have been Messi and that Barca wouldnt have won La liga without him. I say they would have won(it was the weakest La Liga in 12 years) and no one can prove if im right or wrong and that's why it a dumb argument. Facts are that Barca didnt win the UCL(lost to Liverpool), didnt win the cup and Argentina didnt win the Copa(Messi scored 1 penalty and had 0 assists). on the other hand, facts that Van Dijk was part of the UCL winners who ended their season with the 2nd highest amount of points out of all the teams in Europe(10 more than Barca). also in 20 years when if ill tell my kids about the 18/19 stats it wouldnt be about Messi's goals, it would be about Van Dijk not letting anyone get past him the entire season. so even in individual stats Van Dijk deserves it more than anyone else

He is an idiot Alejandro, always worship Messi since he got into that ESPN studio

@@bsman321 tell these losers pliz. Criterias always change to suit messi for balon. No champions league no way he is winning it. Same reason he last won balon since 2015 coz barca has not sniffed UCL since 2015. Bullocks

@@benito0072 Pass the weed bro

Number 6, well deserved OVERALL INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES AND STATISTICS REFLECTS THE CLEAR AND OBVIOUS.

Lilbite50 yep only a few Barca games in champions league. Messi literally carries the team week in week out in la liga

Liberty or Death are you stupid or trolling, it’s really hard to tell

@@stevencats7137 are you?

B1ODIN Then you clearly haven’t followed up what’s been going on with AFA and other stupid decisions in regards to Argentina’s national team over the years. I’m just referring to this individually, not in comparison to other teams and their management.

B1ODIN aight cool let’s act as if messi doesn’t have ter stegen, pique, umtiti, alba, busquets, vidal, rakitic, coutinho, suarez to help him oh pls stfu

Guy has no brain...pretty sure he lost money when he bet on van dijk!!!

@@ViktorNegan 🤣🤣🤣

If Mane would go to la liga he would be scoring left and right as well. It's top defenders are old guys.

@@debjitnag474 Yeah. Even now, the only defenders that are worth anything are in Atletico Madrid and some in Real. Every other defender is sub par or garbage. You just go around youtube trying to make arguments that were based on something around 2 years ago? Quite pathetic if you ask me.

@@marcostorres2329 Ya La Liga is so pathetic that even mid-table La Liga teams are defeating the 2nd place PL team...We all saw what happened at the 2021 Europa League final.

because in my opinion, Barca would have won La Liga without him. Facts are that Barca didnt win the UCL(lost to Liverpool), didnt win the cup and Argentina didnt win the Copa(Messi scored 1 penalty and had 0 assists). on the other hand, facts that Van Dijk was part of the UCL winners who ended their season with the 2nd highest amount of points out of all the teams in Europe(10 more than Barca). also in 20 years when if ill tell my kids about the 18/19 stats it wouldnt be about Messi's goals, it would be about Van Dijk not letting anyone get past him the entire season. so even in individual stats Van Dijk deserves it more than anyone else

@@bsman321 Judging purely on stats is idiotic, who won what, who would've won what without whom. And you know what, I'm not gonna tell my kids kids about 18/19 stats, I'll show them videos of Messi playing in 18-19, that'll surely make bring them joy and enrich their horizon about what football really means and how it should be played. It's one thing to read three statistics at the end of a game, and another to watch 90 minutes of football. You do that and come back telling me who performed better in 18-19, Messi or Van Dijk.

@@alluzzmystique1601 It's not about Messi being a forward. It's about Messi being Messi. No amount of skillful defensive play could compete with what Messi has done that year on an individual level.

@@alluzzmystique1601 The best version of a defender is nowhere near a normal version of Messi, let alone 2019 Messi. It's unfair, but that's how it goes when you play in the same generation as such a footballer.

mothusi basaini he’s dumb that’s all bro. 😂😂😂 he is just one of those who don’t like messi

@@prestongray3119 he reminds me of Shaka

how? it makes perfect sense, and dont get me started to the fact that he didnt even talk about messi abysmal performance in the copa america. it makes perfect sense, but at the end of the day fact is that messi and VVD deserved it more than ronaldo, now the problem is that VVD kept saying messi should win it even though deep down he wanted to win it, he paid too much respect to messi and that is why messi won it and it reflects in the voting, only 7 points difference. VVD would have easily won it if he acyed like robben or griezemann when they were nominated for it respectively when they kept lamenting on why they should win it. im a ronaldo fan but, ronaldo didnt deserve it

@@donald4364 did you hear what he said,forget about who won the balloon dor he practically said Messi had an average season,Messi was surrounded by shitty players for club and country,and look where he took Barcelona he won them the league and took the to ucl semi final,Virgil also deserved it but I believe the players that surrounded him for club and country where also brilliant which then worked against him

mothusi basaini he did not say average he actually used the word “good” don’t put words in his mouth, there is a huge difference between “average” and “good”

Bala Prasanna moonshine and petrol and meth and banana peel

straight comedy. this clown should get an award for keeping a straight face while saying this non sense hahahah

Not even top 3 all time.

Michael Trumph VVD isn’t even top 5 best defenders all time...

@@michaeltrumph121 cry harder 😭 😭😭 😭😭 😭

So what do you expect VVD to do in order to win the Ballon’dor? Score 50 goals a season? The ballon’dor is a joke, only for attackers.

@@jvfvdjddvdbfjxj7720 tell me what VVD did more than Vidic did in 2008?

'Messi had a good year' 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Even in the second leg in the UCL where apparently he had a terrible game.....he still ended up creating 3 one on one chances for Suarez, Alba and Coutinho and they bottled it. Messi singlehandedly dragged Barca to the semi final and the la liga title.

Randy stfu and respect his opinion

Hamza Orakzai wrong

Mark Ogden is the only one who makes consistent analytical and logical sense. He’s not just giving his opinion, his research and insider knowledge speaks volumes by allowing him to provide accurate and solid arguments for and against, instead of ignorantly following unchallenged, popular opinion. There is no denial that Messi is probably the best player to play the modern game, but, there is good reason to deny he was the best player in 2018/2019.

Ale's got it!! A good year for Messi is a CAREER for anybody

ryan manyemba woooow hahahahaha may be thats why ooh am dieing

@Unruly Rebel but is not Virgil's fault either, because he had a great year too, but I can't believe that he can't see that he is using Messi against Messi, or worse two finals that even lost, Messi was far from playing bad and best from his team and among the best from both teams involved...he is actually saying a good point about no clear rules, but on the other hand is an almost not written rules from last years that if Messi is not winning a treble, he doesn't deserve it, nor apparently having a more than great year...last season CLEARLY it was way MORE than just a great year...if he had won the treble having awuful two finals aparrently he deserved it a lot more and would automatically he would have enjoyed an exceptional season

Learn to read and spell first

@@dliteent.6554 yeap my fault, that was some bad spelled and badly written rant...and I guess I've failed to make a clear point...but I still think is idiotic to not see how a formidable year messi had, without even talking about Virgil or any other player.

He is a debate master. Congrats to him.

Lol..not a pundit..a Messi fan boy..

@Greek Paian2zeus and Stevie is a vvd d***rider

Ale Moreno schooled those english fools.... The fact dat messi does it Every year doesn't mean i should use it against him

Ville Jokela well another argument could be it’s the only competition both play in so it’s only one where you can compare performances.

Ville Jokela and I bet if Messi did win the UCL you’d wouldn’t be saying that dumass

@@andrewbello9784 ur dumb. If messi won the cl and wasnt top scorer ucl and at let say 25 goals this season then he shouldnt have won it. Its an individual award

Then why did Modric won it?

@@invictussupremus5832 bias from the World Cup. That one competition messed everything up for Ronaldo and Messi. You don't just go from being named best in the world to not even top 30. Just shows how messed up up that award is

Haha its funnt and sad the guy is competing with himself

yes, lets say if you had a young 20 yo who played 43 games and scored 39 goals and had 17 assists but wasnt Messi you would have given him the title?

Ronaldo had a similar season in 2018 to what Messi had in 2019 and Ronaldo still lost out to Modric! So your argument is wrong

@@invictussupremus5832 they are biased twards the wc im a messi fan but i think modric didnt deserve it in rm he preformed soo poorly and the only highlight was the world cup which is only 7 games in that case origi should win it

Lol that’s not what he said, he asked is it the best player on the planet or the best player of that year

His point was what if the best player in the world had below avg stat like ronaldo has this season( btw ronaldo is not the best).

@@FullBody How can you be the best on the planet if you weren't the best that year???? Cmon bro.

@@eddiecastaneda8918 Best player on the planet is defined by a fluid time frame. Best player of the year is defined by a specific calendar year time frame.

i wish more people saw this comment

I mostly agree but Messi is always going to look better bc he scores goals. I mean VVD wasn’t dribbled past in the UCL or the Prem that’s with playing 2 games against Messi. But Messi and VVD are both incredible players.

Are u expecting a CB to outscored every one before you know that he has done his work

Worla Akplor not at all but its easy to see who carried his team more

@@krys8494 u guys agree on modric winning it last year saying he is a CMF and goals shouldn't be use but this season u all turn around saying Messi has more goals and assist than vvd, unbelievable

He's a typical premier league elitist wanker

Yes TAA is champions of Europe and that corner made messi looks like 5 years old boy

TAA had 12 assists as a fullback, how is that not a great year?

@THE HUMANIST not last season baby Trent had the biggest one 😘

Barca TV Corner taken quickly...

Nobody knows you but we all know Mark ogden hope you are OK now.

@@desmonddessy4614 oh you too at the same Sunday market then. Say hi to the rest of your fellow fishermen.🐟🐠🐡

Valverde fuck.d up..2 and leg..@3-0..don't need to score..

Who went through??

Ronaldo also single handedly destroy atletico.

@@rbar6501 "single handedly" 😂 bro the man got fed 3 goals!! props to him for finishing, not trying to discredit him, it was an awesome game but dont play bro, hes one of the best goalscorers of all time but he didnt "single handedly" beat atletico

representin!!

Liverpool would easily win. I mean in the 1st leg, Liverpool had their best team. They were by far the better team but 1 brilliant moment from Alba/Suarez put Barca ahead. It would also be their last moment. After that Liverpool created the biggest chances to score and pressed Barca, but then one little man made it 2-0 and then that same guy smashed in an incredible free kick to make it 3-0 and also gave chances for the 4-0 to his teammates. Liverpool were by far the better team, yet lost 3-0 because of some luck for Barca and some individual brilliance, mostly by Messi. Now the 2nd leg. Liverpool missed so many important players (Naby Keita, Mohamed Salah, Roberto Firmino and Robertson who got injured in the 1st half). Liverpool weren't even playing as good as they did in the Camp Nou, while Barca actually played better than they did at Camp Nou, yet Liverpool took the lead after an error by Alba. Then, Messi creates 3 1v1 chances for Coutinho, Alba and Suárez. All of them miss. Then Wijnaldum scores 2 goals inside 3 minutes while Barca's defense are sleeping and that same defense sleep when Trent takes a quick corner. This tell you everything. When Liverpool played with their best squad, the were better than Barca yet lost 3-0, mainly because of Messi. When Liverpool played without their best players on the pitch, they still found a way to beat Barca 4-0. This shows you the difference. If Messi does not score for Barca, it's game over for them. Meanwhile Liverpool could miss 2 of their best attackers and the best leftback in the world (at the moment), yet still win 4-0 against that Barca side. VVD was incredible, but you simply can not deny nor understate the importance of Messi for Barcelona and the reliance of Barca on Messi. He is DIRECTLY involved in 75% of the goals they score. And at the same time he leads the goals/assists/dribbles/chances created statistics when it comes to ALL PLAYERS as well. He is simply on another level.

yes.. because Barca is absolutely trash without Messi

Lol you just killed them. No way they gonna answer this. BigFACT

Amen

EA Xposed Quality, reasoned comments here and elsewhere over this vid. Top to bottom could not agree more. Cheers.

Lonn Phillips best pundit on ESPN!

Love Moreno,He makes the most sense...everytime!

Agreed

Moses McCree salty

If Barcelona won the champions league there would be no debate. Barcelona spent almost 300mill on 2 players coutinhio and dembelle and Expected big things. Barcelona have more super stars than Liverpool.

realnesx what’s your point bro

Only because Messi scores goals and vvd keeps them out

billy bob Messi does a whole lot more than score goals but yeah do they do tend to favor attackers for these awards, and honestly I wouldn’t of complained wether it went to Messi, van djyk or even Ronaldo

You mean even though he scored more goals than anybody 😂

Phil Jones should win Ballon D'or bruh

@@hazimmuzhaffarsuherman4372 Phil Jones is trash. Mustafi is the one who deserves the balon dor.

El Dio not always the right time for those kinds of jokes bruh

Sure van dijk was joking but you have people who love to instigate trouble

Bro, he wasn't joking, these guys just got the meaning wrong. Was he a rival? He actually meant, I admire ronaldo so it isn't exactly a rivalry!!

El Dio oh yeah but if it was messi, his asslickers will show no remorse AT ALL

ronaldo better than messi

someone will read this and still argue.. you are spot on

Spot on bro spot on! I have to screenshot this comment 😂

Impact you have for your team isn’t everything. Messi could play in this Liverpool team and still win the Balon D’or if he scored 100 goals in a year even if Salah and Mane each scored 75, making Messi’s 100 unimportant. Virgil went an entire season without getting dribbled past. That’s the best individual season that a defender has ever had

VVD did more in that 3-0 loss than Messi did in the 4-0 loss

ThatGokuRoleplayer Both players deserved it imo. Van Dijk contributed to 20 clean sheets in PL, had 97 points only losing once, EPL player of the year, won the Champions League, reached the Nations League Final & was NEVER dribbled the whole season. He was arguably the best player in the best European team. He’s revitalized Liverpool & Netherlands. It’s actually a reasonable argument looking at it.

Hahahahah You have a point

Mane should of had more votes than VVD...

@Liberty or Death But before that didnt Messi smash 2 goals past them? Where was Van Dijk then?

@@sirswearsalot1813 When it really counted VVD beat HIM. Messi did nothing to him. Virgil van dijk pocketed Messi.

Sir SwearsAlot thank u

Moses McCree i think either couldve won it bc messi was brilliant this year and virgil was brilliant as well. im a barca fan so i watch messi week in week out but i should probably watch more of virgil

@Liberty or Death and so?

I love Ronaldo but this is shocking.

@@inferno7156 Because of being the MVP of Serie A

Fernando Pizarro Villagarcía didn’t deserve mvp of serie a

Malone cuz mafia of Italy aka)Cr7 mom)😂😂😂😂

Don’t want to play the race card. But they never market towards western African players. Mane isn’t as marketable so the journalist just vote for the most popular player. Unfortunately

Dembele bro and he fluffed it...

Exactly. Goes along with that pathetic "hasn't won the WC," argument, it's so elementary. If Higuain, etc... scores, suddenly Messi would've been the best? What matters are the stats. Messi dribbles, creates, assists, scores, better than anyone, every year, for the last decade.

actually true

Yep. Only him. Sometimes Stevie when he's not talking about Liverpool, because when anything involves liverpool then he is biased

💯

marius rusu except he did lol

@@sm7Vx tell taht to F Capello he knows him well

Chocker. Pecho frio. No leadership qualities. Puking in the locker room during half time. Quits the NT because he missed a penalty kick. That's Lionel "The ripper of Leganes" Messi. A mentally weak guy who can't performe away from home unless he is sorrounded by equaly world class players and the oponent isn't Getafe

One goal was a great free kick you can't blame Virgil for that and the second goal was a tap in that came of the bar and fell to Messi's feet, so what are you on about. In the second leg he had no free kick and didn't get a lucky tap in, so Messi went missing at Anfield. It's unfair to compare goals and assists stats of attackers and defenders.

@@Pamastrike So tell me a big club messi didn't score against. I am waiting

Gary exactly most of the game Leo was isolated with the ball past Liverpool’s half with no help. He was making runs all alone most of the time trying to create something, but it’s imposible to do a 1v4 everytime

@@realnesx Its 3:0 last min 3 player surrounded messi and he shows vision and finds dembele,he goes one on one and fail. So why u blame messi for that ? And why you blame messi to get 4 goals in the second leg, is he a defender ? 2 goals and 10 chance create in 2 games this means he is better than him because he do his job and vvd nearly failed when they get so 3 goals as a defender

He has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

If you dont think he wasnt the best last season you are joke..If its abt the 2019 calendar year, I get you

While Messi plays for only one club 👁👁

@@msfantastico4139 your remark is irrelevant

@@msfantastico4139 *carrying the team

an idiot?lol

@@TheMypurpleflower4u 😆

Lol please

fr tho he only ever talks rubbish

You speaks sence. It's a crime that Leo won it after 4 years. By far best player of the planet

Hamilton Júlio César that’s true.. Messi got robbed

The defender can’t score 54 goals. If u were comparing him against another goalscorer or even a midfielder then fine but dats y it’s impossible for a defender to win the ballon d’or because there’s no comparable stats for a defender.

did Messi make 150 tackles?

So what do you expect VVD to do in order to win the Ballon’dor? Score 50 goals a season? The ballon’dor is a joke, only for attackers.

@@YoogiNation the point is that argument goes both ways...if VVD can't be compared to messi because he is a defender then people should have no problem if someone considers messi the best player because of his consistent performances

It's only in the club football

Yeah I'm talking about season

Facts

Not a fair comparison lol but Messi had a better year than vvd

Exactly

amari ebbin Same could be said if Messi played in any other team in Spain not called Madrid or Barca

Ty Txnnick who was talking about him?

Same for chucky Lozano ... if he played for Barca or Madrid he would have had 2 ballon d or at minimum

Toribio Romo not really. Anyone who scores 51 goals and 20 assists in a season where he pretty much IS the attack deserves it regardless of what team they play for ( in a decent league at least)

If he played for Barcelona or Real Madrid he would of win it

Tom Ash which is to win the next worldcup genius idea

Savage X3 no it’s to win ALL the world cups :o

😂

You call that motivation? He’s cocky as f.